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Polar Bluetooth Smart Stride Sensor (Footpod) In-Depth Review

Polar Bluetooth Smart Footpod

Earlier this week Polar announced their latest product – though, it’s not a watch.  Or even anything connected to a watch.  Instead, it’s an accessory for smart phones that further illuminates Polar’s direction and protocol strategy going forward.

The Bluetooth Smart footpod is a running accessory that attaches to your running shoes and gives you speed/cadence data both indoors and out while connected to a smart phone.  Incidentally, it’s actually the very first Bluetooth Smart footpod on the market.  I’ve been poking at it for a few weeks now – and thus have a pretty good grasp on how it works.  Note that I’ll cover below how footpods work, but if you’re looking for tons of detailed information – check out this previous ‘Everything you ever wanted to know about the footpod’ post.  While that post focuses on an ANT+ variant, virtually everything is the same here.

Because I want to be transparent about my reviews – Polar sent me the Bluetooth Smart Stride Sensor to try out.  Once I’m complete here, I’ll send this back to them and then go out and buy my own (to be able to support y’all in the comments section down the road). Simple as that. Sorta like hiking in wilderness trails – leave only footprints. If you find my review useful, you can use any of the Amazon or Clever Training links from this page to help support future reviews.

Lastly, at the end of the day keep in mind I’m just like any other regular triathlete out there. I write these reviews because I’m inherently a curious person with a technology background (my day job), and thus I try and be as complete as I can. But, if I’ve missed something or if you spot something that doesn’t quite jive – just let me know and I’ll be happy to get it all sorted out. Also, because the technology world constantly changes, I try and go back and update these reviews as new features and functionality are added – or if bugs are fixed.

So – with that intro, let’s get into things.

Unboxing:

First up is getting the accessory out of the plastic clam-shell:

Polar Bluetooth Smart Footpod Boxed

Polar Bluetooth Smart Footpod Upper Box

Once you’ve battled the plastic (tip: just cut the top straight off, there’s nothing to worry about breaking/slicing in there), you’ll be left with the three parts inside.  Ok, four if you count the manual.

Polar Bluetooth Smart Footpod Unboxed Parts

Speaking of the manual, I’ll quickly walk through those four pieces.  First up is that manual, in more languages than Lindsay Lohan probationary hearings.

Polar Bluetooth Smart Footpod Unboxed Parts Manual

Then you’ve got the cradle that you tie onto your shoes:

Polar Bluetooth Smart Footpod Unboxed Parts Cradle

Inside the cradle will snugly fit the actual footpod itself:

Polar Bluetooth Smart Footpod Unboxed Parts Pod

And lastly, is the battery – a CR2430 replaceable coin cell battery.  Typically these last about a year, so once they die you just go out and spend another $3 at a drug store or the like and you’re good to go again.

Polar Bluetooth Smart Footpod Unboxed Parts Battery

Because the battery is kept separate, we’ll need to install it.  Don’t worry, it’s straight forward.  You’ll flip over the footpod and see the waterproofed to 20-meters (60 feet) door.  I’d point out that if you have your footpod on at 20-meters deep – some serious shiitake has gone down.

Polar Bluetooth Smart Footpod Unboxed Parts Back Cover

It’s easiest to do the removal using a big flat-blade screwdriver. This particular screwdriver might have been a bit overkill, but it was the first and closest one I saw.

Polar Bluetooth Smart Footpod Changing Battery

Then you simply plop the battery into the battery case (not into the footpod!), and then stick the battery case/lid back into the footpod and screw it up tight.

Polar Bluetooth Smart Footpod Changing Battery

With everything on the footpod itself ready, let’s look at how it compares size-wise.

Size Comparisons:

There’s really only one area that I can think of that I’m unhappy with, and that’s the size of the footpod.  Unfortunately Polar selected to simply swap out the communications chip on their existing footpod, rather than design something competitive to the rest of the footpod world.  To understand what I mean, see below for the existing legacy Polar S3+ footpod and the new Bluetooth Smart footpod:

Polar Bluetooth Smart Footpod Size Comparison S3

Now, compare that to the footpods offered by every other company for compatibility with ANT+, ANT, and other private variations (such as the Nike+ footpod):

Polar Bluetooth Smart Footpod Size Comparison ANT+

To help put that into perspective – the Polar one is basically as big width-wise as an egg (actually, slightly longer):

Polar Bluetooth Smart Footpod Size Comparison with an egg

Polar Bluetooth Smart Footpod Size Comparison with an egg

Whereas all the others are basically about the size of two quarters stacked on top.

Now, functionally-wise there’s little difference here in what the products deliver – it’s simply that one is ugly and one isn’t.  I had kinda hoped Polar would take this opportunity to slim things down a bit.

Getting it ‘installed’ on your shoe:

While fairly straight-forward, one of the issues with the Polar footpod design is that you have to unlace your shoes about 60-70% to get it installed.  So you can’t easily swap it between shoes (without having a second ‘cradle’).

Polar Bluetooth Smart Footpod Install on Shoe

Nonetheless, it only takes perhaps 2-3 minutes to do this.  And, there’s even instructions:

Polar Bluetooth Smart Footpod Install Instructions

Once everything is laced up, you’ll go ahead and slide the footpod into the cradle:

Polar Bluetooth Smart Footpod Installing

It then gets locked in via a small rubber doohickey up top:

Polar Bluetooth Smart Footpod Installed

With that, you’re (almost) ready to run!

Pairing it to your phone:

Either before or after you tie it to your shoe, you’ll need to pair it to your phone.  Today, that means any Apple iPad/iPod/iPhone with Bluetooth Smart.  So essentially any iPhone 4s or higher.

Note, it does NOT support Android.  Again, no Android.  Not entirely the fault of Polar (though they lack an app), but mostly because the Android Bluetooth Smart fitness profile situation is a mess right now with no adoption by Google and no concrete timetable beyond “a few months” (the same as it’s been since January).  To be fair, Windows Phone is no better (actually, worse, no timetable at all).

So, Apple it is.

You’ll need the free Polar Beat app, which is Polar’s iPhone app that came out last fall.  It’s actually quite good, and is probably the most visually pleasing ‘product’ Polar has ever released.   You can read my review on it here.

Once you’ve got that all set, you’ll go into Settings and then slide “Stride Sensor”.

Polar Beat App Setup

Once you do that, it’ll trigger a Bluetooth search for the footpod (in the event you have Bluetooth turned off, it’ll honk at you).

And, if you’ve had it sitting on a desk for a bit, it’ll also have you shake the sensor to wake it up (it uses an internal accelerometer to return it from a sleeping state).

Polar Beat App Footpod Setup

A split second later it’ll find the footpod and you can go ahead and tap ‘Pair’ to pair it to the phone.

Polar Beat App Footpod Pairing Step 1

Once paired the phone will automatically remember it for future connections.  Remember that Bluetooth Smart accessories (sensors) can only be actively paired to a single device at once.  Meaning if you have multiple phones/iPods/iPads and happen to have the Polar App on them and happened to have paired it to the footpod – be sure that the app is closed when you’re ready to run.

Otherwise, the other devices will block the connection.  Translation: It’s a one-to-one relationship once the footpod turns on.

At any rate, once it’s paired it’ll show your battery state, as well as the device ID.  Additionally, you can remove pairing if you need to.

Polar Beat App Footpod Pairing Step 2

We’ve got one more step and then we’re ready to use it.

Calibration:

One final step will be calibration.  Though, this will actually be done post-run.  You’ll need to do one run either on a known course (such as a track or treadmill– highly recommended), or some other route to calibrate the footpod.

The reason is that the footpod isn’t a GPS device, but rather an accelerometer based device that attempts to understand your stride.  By giving it a baseline ‘known distance’, the footpod can then be calibrated for future use – at any speed or distance.

Polar Beat App Footpod Calibration Menu

I’ll dive into this more later on.  But in general, I’d suggest doing about 800m (2 loops of a track, half a mile) as a good calibration effort.  Run a ‘comfortable’ pace (such as a long-run pace).  Typically that gives me the best results.

Running Outdoors:

Once you’re ready to run, you’ll want to find a place to stash your phone.  I just use a simple running armband to tote mine along.  You’ll go ahead and open up the Polar Beat App to begin tracking.

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Assuming you walked outside with your running shoes on, the stride sensor will have woken up already – so the stride sensor will then automatically show up as paired:

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The stride sensor will automatically be used for any distance or pace calculations within the app.  Though, the Polar Beat app will still utilize the GPS for producing a map.

With that, we’ll tap ‘Start’ to begin running.  As we run, the unit will automatically update pace and distance based on the footpod (again, not based on the GPS within the phone):

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At the completion of the run (or anytime mid-run) you’ll be able to tap the distance data field and override it.  This allows you to then manually enter in the correct distance.  This is how you’d calibrate the unit upon a track, treadmill, or known running path.  I highly recommend track or treadmill, as even running path distances might not quite be measured exact enough.

Below, you can see I used a separate running watch on a recent run to determine the distance:

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Then, I went in and manually set the distance in the Polar App:

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Once that’s complete, it’ll recalculate the pace for the run, and then any future runs will use the new calibration factor with the footpod.

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As is normal with the Polar Beat app, you’ll still be able to view the map of the run while outdoors:

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Additionally, upon completion it’ll provide you with your session summary information, distance and calories (if wearing a Bluetooth Smart heart rate strap such as the H6 or H7).  You can swipe left to view the map (seen above), or right to see additional graphs such as pace and heart rate (again, if wearing a strap).

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You can click the ‘Share’ button to share the run onto either Facebook or Twitter.  Additionally, the app will automatically upload your run to your Polar Personal Trainer (PolarPersonalTrainer.com) account online, where you can dive into further analytics.  I’ll cover that in a couple sections from now.

Running Indoors:

Running indoors is much the same as running outdoors.  In fact, it’s almost identical.  The only real difference here is that you won’t get a map of your run – since you didn’t run anywhere (though you will get a dot on the map showing where you were).  Just like before, you’ll start your run once the device has paired to the footpod:

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At this point, it’ll track your distance just like outdoors using the footpod distance:

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If you’re noticing a discrepancy between the treadmill and the app – you’ll want to tap the distance button and re-calibrate it to the treadmill speed.  In the case below – the two are actually very close, since one is in miles and the other in kilometers (look, you try and read Chinese to change it…).  Again, .34 miles = .55 kilometers. :)

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Now note that most treadmills have some inaccuracies, mostly because very few gym’s bother to correctly calibrate them on a regular basis.  In fact, you can easily validate this (as I have many times) by jumping on a treadmill and setting a specific speed (i.e. 8MPH), and then running for a short distance.  You’ll see that the Polar app with footpod will give you a specific pace and likely will hold that pace.  Then, if you jump to a different treadmill in the gym and set the exact same speed you’ll likely see slight variations in pace.  Assuming you didn’t whack your footpod along the way between the two treadmills, this is almost always a results of the treadmill itself.

The moral of the story being don’t completely fret that you see slight differences in the gym.

Once you’ve finished your run, you can go ahead and correct the distance variation between the treadmill and the app if it’s significant, and then save your run – just like when outside.  With that, let’s start poking at the data.

Uploading and viewing the data:

Once you’ve completed your workout you can go to Polar’s site and view your run in more detail (it automatically uploads from your app based on configuring your account in the settings).  Their site – PolarPersonalTrainer.com is free – and is where all supported Polar units (watches/etc…) upload data to for analysis.  As you’ll see, the site is fairly basic, and not exactly the pinnacle of graphical or user interface design – but the core fundamentals are there.

You’ll be able to open up your activity and get the summary information up top, along with a map of your run down below (you can zoom into the map and move around):

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If I click on the ‘Curve’ tab, I can enable cadence metrics to be displayed on the chart.  You can then see the line all the way across.  The brief drop you see about the 8-minute marker was getting through a fence.

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And then finally, within the ‘Data’ page, you’ll notice your stride length will be displayed.  This is also where you can export out the data as well, along the bottom.

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I did a quick test though and the stride did did not seem to be consumed by TrainingPeaks when importing in either of the two files (only the GPX file would import correctly). So your stride data is somewhat limited.  I’d really like to see Polar both improve their website and make it semi-competitive, as well as improve the data sharing/exporting pieces.

Pairing it to a watch:

Now I made a heading here simply in an effort to stem the tide of questions for folks asking “Which watches does it work with?”.  In reality, this section is a trick-section.  See, it works with no watches today.  Not Polar’s, nor anyone else on the market.

There exists not a single unit – or even app – outside of the Polar Beat App that can connect to a Bluetooth Smart footpod.

I do think we’ll see that change, and quite rapidly in fact.  For example, the recently announced Tom-Tom Multisport watch could relatively easily introduce support for it given it has Bluetooth Smart in it.  And, both the upcoming Bia and Leikr watches could add support.

The only requirement that a watch need have is Bluetooth 4.0 connectivity (to support Bluetooth Smart), and the firmware programmed to support this Bluetooth Smart device profile.  Currently hardware-wise that’s oddly limited to the Garmin Fenix (though certainly don’t expect support of the Bluetooth Smart footpods anytime soon) and the Motorola Motoactv (also, don’t expect any update there since that team’s been disbanded).  And of course, down the line there’s watches like the Bia and Leikr that have the hardware guts, but haven’t committed to the software side.

As for Polar’s watches – they’ve committed numerous times to developing a unit (watch/bike computer) with Bluetooth Smart in it.  Given nothing was announced this spring for it, I wouldn’t expect to see any further announcements until the fall timeframe (for either running or cycling).

Summary:

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As the first Bluetooth Smart footpod on the market, Polar is at the trailhead of Bluetooth Smart devices over the next few years.  They were amongst the first of the companies to release a Bluetooth Smart HR strap, and now we’re seeing them add to that with the footpod.

The unit works well within the confines of the available and compatible apps/devices today (just one), but as long as they fully followed the protocol specifications we should see greater compatibility with devices and apps in the coming months (and years).  Polar’s previous Bluetooth Smart units (their H7 and H6 heart rate straps) both have conformed nicely to the standards, and thus I have no reason this didn’t either (the devil’s in the tiny implementation details that will only surface when 3rd party apps/devices try to leverage it).

The only disappointment is really in the size of the unit – which is purely a cosmetic/fashion item, and not really a technical one.  Though, that does have the ancillary limitation that it makes it more difficult to swap between running shoes.

With that, let’s briefly look at the pros and cons:

Pros:

– First Bluetooth Smart footpod on the market
– Works just as well as any other footpod
– Conforms to official Bluetooth Smart footpod specifications (means: not limited to just Polar devices)
– Easy to use
– No problems with free Polar Beat app

Cons:

– Roughly the size of an egg, not small like others
– Only one app supports it today (this will change though)
– Not super-easy to move between running shoes
– A bit pricey at $79

As always, if you have any questions about the unit – feel free to drop them below in the comments section and I’d be happy to try and answer them.  Thanks for reading!

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113 Comments

  1. Stu

    Hey Ray nice review as always.

    Given the size would it fit in a footpod pouch like you can get for the Nike+ footpod? Or is it too big?

    Also, my understanding is the Nike+ footpod gets calibrated based on the GPS from the watch. Is there a reason Polar didn't go this route with calibrating the footpod or will they add it in the future?

    Cheers
    Stu

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Hi Stu-

      Unfortunately a bit too big for the Nike+ holder. The Nike+ footpod is pretty much the same size as the ANT+ one in the comparison shots above.

      I had wondered as well why there wasn't automatic GPS calibration as well. I'll see if I can get an answer there. It would seem to make sense given the battery is being spent on it.

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    • Andy replied

      Great Review.

      I hope Polar will show us a watch that supports their bluetooth sensors very soon.

      Go on,
      Andy

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  2. Great, can't wait for us to get them in stock. Do you know when these will be released in the UK? Love the reviews. Michele Martin

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  3. 3pete

    will this work (eventually) with the Wahoo fitness app on an iPhone 5 ?

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Eventually it should. I reached out to the Wahoo folks and they will add BLE footpod support, but don't have a specific timetable for it yet.

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    • LV Bob replied

      It would be better yet if Wahoo just developed and sold their own SMALL BT stride sensor. When I reached out to Wahoo, they said they have no such plans but, then again, I am just a mere mortal and not a rainmaker.

      I would really like to switch to an all BT setup match to my iPhone or maybe an iPod Touch with GPS. Not sure the latter will ever happen either.

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  4. Christian

    Great review!

    A couple of questions:
    - Does the Polar App show realtime cadence?
    - Will this work with 3rd party apps like Endomondo/Runkeeper/Wahoo?

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    • Rainmaker replied

      It does not show real-time cadence or stride in the app.

      Eventually it could work with 3rd party apps like Wahoo/etc..., as those apps are supporting standards based products like Bluetooth Smart and ANT+. We'll likely see the iDevice apps support it far faster than the Android and other platform apps, simply due to the limitations I noted about on those phone platforms.

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  5. BigTex

    What are the odds of the egg being labeled "DCR" and that being properly aligned and focused for the shot?

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    • Rainmaker replied

      One in a million. Funny, I never even noticed that's what it said on it. Wow. I literally took four egg photos (two of which made it) as I was rushing out the door to catch my flight yesterday morning. Snap, snap, snap, snap, run. That's awesome.

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  6. KenZ

    Ugh. The inability to switch it easily between shoes alone makes it a no-go for me, but at least it's nice to see the market filling out. I have at least 4 different pairs of shoes, if not 7+ in rotation. Not unlacing them every day.

    I'm assuming the large 2430 battery instead of the more "standard" 2032 is because BT Smart sucks power much more than Ant+? How gigantic is the battery?

    One other BT Smart watch to watch (if you will) is here on Kickstarter:
    link to kickstarter.com

    Of course, you can't buy it yet, but like I said, it's one to watch since it'll be water proof-ish.

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    • Tommy replied

      I had the same issue with my Garmin foot pod and I wrote to customer service and they sent me half a dozen brackets for free, so I just stuck one on each show and pop out the sensor to move it between shoes. Polar may be willing to do the same or to sell the brackets for cheap (how much can they really cost them?).

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  7. Tommy

    I have the Wahoo Blue HR strap and have wanted a BT stride sensor, but the non-compatibility with other apps is a non-starter for me. I don't want to have to invest in another strap and don't like using the phone as you are really limited by battery life (my iPhone, even fully optimized, only gets a little over 2 hours with GPS and the other sensors running).

    And did I read correctly that it is either the stride sensor or GPS in the app?

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    • Rainmaker replied

      The limitation here isn't actually the footpod, but the apps. The spec was only finalized a few weeks ago - apps are catching up. I'd guess by July we'll see at least a few iPhone apps that support it (probably the major ones like Runmeter, etc...).

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    • Eric replied

      The only iPhone that ever got that poor a milage with tracking was my 3gs because of it's inefficient GPS. Even swapping it out for a 4 should provide you with 4-6 hours of tracking easily. If you have a 4 or higher you need to fix your battery or stop loading poor jailbroken apps on it.

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  8. David Tunney

    Why would I want to run with my phone..............

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  9. loshko

    Interesting... Asics shoes in a second post already. No New Balance anymore? If it's no secret - which model and why did you make the switch?

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    • Rainmaker replied

      No particular reason for the switch. The Girl wanted me to try out some new shoes she got for me. So, I did. And being I'm sorta lazy, once I started using them I didn't feel like moving my footbeds back to the other shoes. So, been using them since (since back around the Paris Marathon about two months ago actually).

      The model on the inside says T212N.

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  10. Eli

    For Windows phone 8 and BLE:
    link to developer.nokia.com

    And your voice here:
    link to wpdev.uservoice.com

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  11. yannis

    Polar must be working really hard to become even more irrelevant.

    Maybe they should focus on making their next footpod even bigger, more expensive and harder to change from shoe to shoe. Also if it only works with satellite phones I will buy 3 for my walks on the moon.

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    • Rainmaker replied

      I agree that it's big and sorta ugly, but beyond that - I think this is a pretty clear move to become relevant. After all - they're officially "leading the market" when it comes to BLE footpods (being kinda the only one). Ultimately, I don't think anyone would say that BLE devices isn't the future. And surely people aren't going to stop running indoors (though, we may see accellerometer technology in the phones/watches improve enough that it's not required).

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    • yannis replied

      If it had been launched with a brand spanking new killer watch then it might have been a better move.
      Though their portal still sucks.

      As a user I fail to see what the benefit of BLE is. Polar can be a leader in the BLE space all they want but the hardware is in no way irresistible.

      I have my Polar S3+ sitting on my desk right in front of me. If I have any say in it, it is never going on any of my shoes again.

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    • gaberjet replied

      "(being kinda the only one)" Does that mean there is another one out there?? Being tested?? Perhaps made by a company that starts with a "wa" and ends with a "hoo"??

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  12. Jimlefkas

    Nice article Ray as always:)
    Question if you know:
    Can i export a workout from polar site -in a gpx format- and upload it to lets say garminconnect?
    I am asking because i ve tryied so (after inputing data manualy to polar site)and i only could export xls data....
    Thanks in advance

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    • Thor R replied

      You should be able to export the gpx file via the WebSync software.
      Just select your Device, go to the exercise tab, select the exercise you would like to export and then select the file location to export to (you will get a .hrm and a .gpx file per exercise and can only export one exercise at a time).

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    • Thor R replied

      Whoops dropped my intro.
      No, you can't export .gpx from PPT site only from the device itself. Instructions as above.

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  13. Hi,
    here a short tipp for making the running pod easier to swap between shoes. Buy one or more spare part holder so you will be able to remove the sensor from the shoe without removing the holder...

    link to amazon.com

    For my personal use, i prefer the older holder from the s3 (not the s3+ ones) running pod. They are much more slim...

    link to bhipltd.co.uk

    Kind regards
    LukeNRG

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  14. klonnolk

    Why would anyone want it for TomTom Multiwatch? TomTom advertise that watch will work on treadmill without footpod. :D

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  15. Javier

    I've been longing for this kind of device since I got the H7 HRM for my iPhone 4 back in April 2012. In the meantime, I make good use the one-to-may capabilities of ANT+ sensors (e.g. HRM, footpod simultaneously transmitting to telephone and watch) and I do not see any reason to switch to BTLE, not to mention how bulky this footpod is when compared to my ANT+ footpod. I'm actually kind of scared that ANT+ may get out of the picture!!

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  16. I might have to get this and calibrate it with a 5K rowing session on my Ketler rowing machine. Until now I've been manually entering the strokes/distance, but maybe this sensor will serve another purpose other than running :-)

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    • Eric replied

      Hi Robert,

      I am desperatly looking for a way to track strokes when rowing and get cadence etc... Dis you managed to have a footpod working on a rower ?
      I tried with the nike + chip and it is not working... I am wondering if accelerometers needs 3 dimensions movments in order to recognize a move.
      Thanks for your answer

      Eric

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  17. Stephane

    I use my iPhone for running with the apps iSmoothRun.

    If you fix the iPhone in water belt pocket or spibelt.com or armband this app count your cadence from iphone gyro, no foot pod required !!!
    Best of all, set the metronome to 88 (your choice) and if you go less cadence metronome start, perfect to increase your cadence.

    Btw: you can run approx. 9 hours with Bluetooth (for hearth rate strap) and GPS but turn off 3G data...

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  18. Jeff Chrisope

    I just received mine from Heart Rate Watch Company ... and I'm not super-thrilled. The thing is as big as a dinner plate. :( I haven't opened it yet, and might return it in bitter protest. :)

    Instead ... I also just received my (horrifically named) Viiiiva HRM ANT+-to-Bluetooth "bridge" and I'm going to give that a try so I can use my existing ANT+ stride pod. I have a hard time believing that that sucker is going to just perform magic right out of the box, but I'd be thrilled to be surprised.

    Actually ... it sounds like there will be a review of the Viiiiva on this site sometime soon(-ish), yes?

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Yes, it's on the shorter-term radar. It's a bit of a trickier product in that I really need to be at home to test it (versus travelling), because of the power meter side.

      That said, over the last 1-2 weeks they've released a number of updates that addresses my previous concerns, so I think we're mostly in the clear there.

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  19. KenZ

    Hey Ray,

    I just realized your comment about there not being any BT4 watches available is (allegedly) not true! The Mio Alpha should work. From their own website:

    "For added data such as speed, GPS, distance and pace, the MIO Alpha uses Bluetooth Smart (4.0) technology to connect to compatible devices."

    And I thought you reviewed it already? link to dcrainmaker.com Do you still have it? Can you check that this is true?

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Nope, my statement is still correct.

      While it looks like a watch, it's technically just a HR strap. It uses the Bluetooth Smart Heart Rate Strap device profile and transmits HR to other devices (i.e. phone apps, the Motoactv, or even the TomTom).

      Their statement above is very misleading, because it doesn't have GPS, distance, pace, speed, or anything but HR. It doesn't record data, doesn't collect data, and doesn't really do anything except transmit your HR and show the time.

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    • KenZ replied

      Yeah, I totally get that, but my impression from their statement was that while it doesn't store any data or anything, that it could _display_ data from other items, like a footpod or GPS.

      Either way, as an item it clearly needs another rev. I mean, your review showed that it worked surprisingly well, but without being able to save data, run for longer than like 8 hrs, connect to other sensors, or even work as a watch (!!!!) it makes for an expensive bitter pill to swallow. Still, amazing that it works as well as it does, at least on non-harsh runs (e.g. not bombing downhill during the Pikes Peak marathon or something).

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Yeah, I think ultimately we'll see the technology licensed to some other company and show up in a normal GPS watch. That's what Mio seems to want anyways...

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  20. Jeff Chrisope

    So ... inexplicably there is some good news here: unless somebody put something in my brownies, the stride sensor is actually working just fine with MULTIPLE APPS, not just the Polar app. I sorta kinda forgot that it "shouldn't" have worked with anything but the Polar Beat app (which, incidentally, I don't even have on my iPhone!) and paired it with Wahoo Fitness ... and it worked just fine! And yes, I tested to see if it actually gave stride data properly. It also paired just fine with Kinomap Fitness (and again, gave actual data when I tested it), as well as Strava Run, though I'm not sure if the latter actually yielded data properly or not, too lazy to try.

    I don't really understand what happened here ... but I'm not complaining!!! I'm a bit baffled why the Wahoo customer service folks I've been chatting with didn't point out that it would work ... but I think their silence suggests that they do indeed have a BT stride sensor of their own around the corner. Hopefully they could crank one out that's not a full 15g heavier than the Garmin ...

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    • Jeff Chrisope replied

      (though okay ... yes ... 15g maps to about a 5% increase in a medium-sized "lightweight" running shoe ... so probably not noticeable by mortals. Just don't look down at the sucker, the mind can play tricks. :)

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    • Rainmaker replied

      I'm officially giving you the award of the coolest find of the week. I'm able to confirm your brownie situation, and validate it does indeed show up on the Wahoo App (haven't tried Kinomap or Strava yet, but they all use the Wahoo API's).

      I've got the unit on my desk here to update the review sometime tomorrow with those discoveries. Nicely done!

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    • Jeff Chrisope replied

      Uuh ... argh. My brownie was indeed laced with something, sorta. Wahoo Fitness paired fantastically with this BT stride sensor, and happily registered stride rate and pace ... right up until you start the timer in the app. At that point the stride rate/pace drop to "--". I tried this multiple times, always the same result ... but then I noticed that the reported distance for a given workout steadily climbed and wasn't reset - like the device itself didn't know it was supposed to reset. Since I was on a treadmill I had a general sense of actual distance covered, and the stride sensor happily was only 1.5% off the treadmill report at the end - though Wahoo Fitness then resolved the paradox by nuking the distance data from the pod and giving me credit for "0". :( So apparently there is some additional work to do here.

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Nice catch.

      I shot a quick note over with your note to the Wahoo guys. They said they appreciate the heads up and will fix it in the next update.

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  21. LV Bob

    This is definitely good encouraging news as it, at least, provides a solution. I hope Wahoo comes out with their own smaller sensor soon - that would be ideal. I am now thinking of building my whole fitness tracking solution using an iPhone and Wahoo's BT devices. So, by the time I'm ready to buy a watch, Suunto probably will have released the Ambit 3.

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  22. First a kind thank you to Ray for an interesting review as always.

    Although not an official spokes person for Polar I will comment a few questions:
    - This is the first footpod qualified by the SIG. This is a historic moment for those that wrote the Bluetooth specifications. Congratulations and many thanks to our partners that supported us and may read this text. Blueooth is a collaboration among 18 000 companies.
    - I am sure we will achieve interoperability due to the extensive time we spend working with other companies in creating an open interoperable eco system. If other companies like to test with us then we are open to that. If you like to support us in your app then you can find the specifications here link to bluetooth.org
    or here developer.bluetooth.org
    - The size of the battery has nothing to do with the Bluetooth radio. As Polar has decided to reuse the old mechanics, thus, the battery remains the same size as before. I am not really involved and can not comment more. I hope your have a good experience.
    - The Polar app will be continuously enhanced with more features so keep on following us.
    - Most Bluetooth device can be paired to many phones at once, but it can only have one active connection at a time. This is not the whole truth as there are components that actually support many simultaneous slave connections.
    - Notice, the word "paired" has a very specific meaning in Bluetooth. Bluetooth devices store bonds. The bond contain all the information that is needed to create a connection between the devices. Bluetooth connections are not like links in other wireless technologies common in the sports market today. They are inherently bi-directional, robust, reliable and low energy. They can also be made private and secure. Blueooth SMART has been designed to coexist and collocate with other wireless technologies.

    Bluetooth was specified to serve many new markets and the target is to sell billions of Bluetooth components every year. Bluetooth will become very common in a lot of new equipment over the years to come so keep your eyes on this technology. Having myself worked with this specification since Wibree it feels very rewarding to see new devices appearing.

    Niclas Granqvist
    Director, Polar
    Bluetooth Sports and Fitness Working Group Vice Chair

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  23. ADuranR

    Dear Rainmaker :
    Thanks for the great comments and advise. I wonder if you have experienced problems with data uploading from IPhone Polar Beat application. It works fine for a while and then, for some unknown reason it will quit uploading. It seems to be stuck on : last transfer 6/07/13, 12:39 a.m.. - "TRANSFERING RESULTS" from the manual pull down on the history page ??? I have tried re- starting the Iphone, etc... to no avail.
    Also, is there a Polar device similar to the Stride Sensor for indoor cycling ??

    Thanks in advance for your help.

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  24. Wayne

    Hi Ray

    Do you know of any issues with the stride sensor and H7 HRM continually dropping out in the PolarBeat app? I have a brand new stride sensor and have only been using it for a few weeks. The last few runs on the treadmill it has been dropping out every 30-40 seconds. Dropped out nearly 50 times on a 30 minute run. The H7 (about 3-4 months old) has started doing the same. Dropped out over 20 times on the same run. Strap was well soaked prior to starting. Both have brand new batteries and the phone is less than a metre away. I updated the app on the weekend, prior to the last two runs, so maybe that is the problem?

    Both items purchased through CleverTraining with your discount. Cheers for that. Much appreciated.

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    • Ray Maker replied

      Hi Wayne-

      Hmm, typically that would sound like batteries, but since you replaced those, then to me it sounds like either something might be up with your chip that Bluetooth rides on within your phone, or some sort of interference issue (interference seems unlikely). Dropouts like that are unheard of (I've never seen it that bad on any device, ever).

      Any chance there's a pattern to it (i.e. every x seconds)? Or, if you place your phone on a table in front of you and watch your HR - does it drop out then? If not, then I'd suspect something in your phone is having issues with movement (and perhaps causing a drop).

      Wish I had a better answer there. :( Oh, and I assume you've tried rebooting your phone?

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    • Wayne replied

      Hi Ray

      Yeah rebooted my phone last night. Had a spin class this evening and there was only one slight drop out on the HRM over a period of about 1 hour, so that is a definite improvement over over the treadmill runs. I will hit the treadmill again tomorrow night and see how the stride sensor goes. Hopefully the reboot might have sorted it.

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    • Ray Maker replied

      Very interesting. Hopefully indeed. One interesting item to know would be in that spin class was your phone on your person, or on the bike (thus, not subject to movement). Hope it's all good now though!

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    • Wayne replied

      Had it strapped in its armband to the stem of the handle bars, so no movement. Had it sitting in the tray on the console of the treadmill, so there may be a bit of vibration there. I will try putting the phone next to the treadmill tomorrow instead.

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    • Wayne replied

      Hey Ray

      Just thought I would let you know the treadmill run was all good. No dropouts on HRM or stride sensor. Had the phone on a chair next to the treadmill, so no vibrations. Will try it back on the console tray to discount the vibration theory, or not, but I think the phone reboot may have done the trick. I'll have to remember to do that more regularly.

      Cheers

      Wayne

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  25. Thanks for posting that it doesn't work for Android. It saved me reading the rest of the review. Hopefully the next (hopefully smaller) version will support Android, considering it comprises the largest share of the smartphone market.

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    • Eli replied

      Its not the device that's at fault, its Android. 4.3 should allow BLE to work but guessing actual updates to that version will take a long time

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  26. Tony

    Great review. I have the polar bluetooth heart rate monitor and polar bluetooth stride sensor. I notice if I am running with polar heart rate monitor and polar stride sensor and music is playing on my IPhone 4S, my music starts to fast forward. I was wondering if anyone else had the same issue.

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  27. Greg LeMunyan

    I am an avid spinner (indoor cycling). If Polar would make an addition to their app you could get cadence very easily. I have emailed and talked to several Polar reps and they say something like it can't be done. Well that ABSOLUTELY is not true. When I use it during spinning I get a pace value indicating there is enough force to trigger the calculation. In fact all the algorithm needs to do is to remove the stride from the calculation and you have cadence.

    Does anyone have a suggestion as to how I can this feature added or who I can get in touch with at Polar who could move this along? BTW this will also apply to outside riding.

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    • Ray Maker replied

      It's not so much that it can't be done (as you note, it definitely could, as it's just an accelerometer), but it's that they don't see the ROI or value in getting it done. I wouldn't say that it's absolutely as clearcut as removing the stride, as I've tried it with other footpods and it seems to be off a bit (though consistently off, meaning it's likely something the calculation could be modified for).

      I've long argued that having a cadence sensor for spin bikes and indoor gym bikes would be awesome, but nobody has quite done it yet.

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    • Jen Mestayer replied

      I too do a good but of indoor cycling and am looking to take my training to the next level. I have the polar h7 strap but was wonder what device you use to measure your speed and distance? Any other suggestions would be appreciated!

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    • Rainmaker replied

      For indoor training I use all ANT+ stuff with watches.

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  28. Richard Kaufmann

    I got mine today. The Polar app works, for as much as it does. The Wahoo Fitness app is "close but no cigar," believe it or not. It recognized the Polar as a "Blue 18" stride sensor, and it even shows you the stride rate correctly. That is, until the moment you actually start the clock on the exercise, at which point it no longer collects stride data at all.

    So, either there's technology common to both Polar and Wahoo in the foot pod, there's an upcoming Withings pod with a code name of "Blue 18," or "Blue 18" is just the entry for Wahoo supporting the stride sensor BLE standard. Whatever, it's soooo close to being exactly what I want!

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    • Ray Maker replied

      Wahoo has said they'll be updating their app shortly to correct that. They had simply forgot that it was in there (really, they programmed it a year or so ago before any devices were there).

      The Blue 18 is simply the random number it assigns a new Bluetooth sensor, if you re-paired it again it may be Blue 19, and so on.

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  29. Richard Kaufmann

    Ray, how did you get the GPX file from PolarPersonalTrainer.com to import into TrainingPeaks? I used the TrainingPeaks device agent on the Mac, it uploaded the GPX file (once I changed its name from xxx.gpx.xml to xxx.gpx -- otherwise it wouldn't select it). But trainingpeaks.com couldn't get any useful data at all from it.

    Strava.com wouldn't deal with the file at all, either...

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  30. VH

    Just trying to understand why use a foot pod at all if one has the Polar Beat app (which I use with the H7 hrm). GPS on the iPhone already records the pace and distance info. What am I missing? The stride length and running cadence? Data for running indoors (I never do that, thanks to the great northern California weather)?

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    • Tbar replied

      In PPT on the Training tab, use the View 'List' option. Check the box next to the items to be exported then use Export GPX.

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  31. Richard Kaufmann

    I believe it has some value outdoors... GPS is very accurate over moderate distances and timespans, but has significant jitter due to the nature of the technology. Bike speed sensors (that count wheel revolutions) have almost not jitter, but aren't nearly as accurate over the long haul. So on a bike, it's best to use both. I could believe the argument might also apply to running (GPS for accurate long-haul measurements, but stride sensor for instantaneous accuracy, but haven't seen any proof of this.

    But that's mostly academic. The reason I bought the thing is that I do have to run indoors. Although I live in San Diego (better weather than you, ha!), I spend a lot of time on the road in places like Korea. Hot as heck in the summer, and cold in the winter. Hotel gyms are my friend

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  32. David Roussain

    I have both the Polar Bluetooth heart monitor and the Polar Bluetooth Stride sensor. Both work great, I like the user-replaceable batteries, and the new Polar Beat app is awesome, actually the best yet from Polar. The H7 heart monitor also transmits the older signals so I can use it with my Polar watch. The stride sensor is not backwards compatible. What is really needed is a new Polar watch or training computer like the RCX3 or RCX5 that supports Bluetooth. Does anyone know when Polar expects to ship watches that support the new Bluetooth 4.0?

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    • Rainmaker replied

      It needs to have Bluetooth Smart supported added to it. Whether or not Polar decides to do that this fall or next spring is really the big question.

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  33. Tbar

    Hi
    Any update on this working with Wahoo? I have asked Wahoo - but sadly they have not even responded.

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    • Tbar replied

      With Wahoo 3.4 the Stride seems to now work during training ;)

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  34. Ben Lentz

    Thanks for this review and for reading this question. Do you know of any pedometers that would record time and distance and sync with a phone/computer after a run is finished? I've found I push too hard when I can see my performance in real time and I also hate to wait for GPS to sync. I would love to have something work on the fly and in the background but be able to view distance/pace stats later. Thanks!

    Ben Lentz

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Not yet today. The Adidas units support this, but it's more for soccer. I had a talk about it with them earlier this week actually, and they're looking at enabling a scenario where the BLE footpod is worn and data uploaded post-run, but likely that software update (App) won't come till mid-spring.

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  35. Seth Kendall

    Thanks for all of your amazing reviews! I just picked up this stride sensor hoping that it would work with MiCoach. Sadly, it does not seem to. I really thought it would since so people are having luck with the H7 heart rate monitor in that app. Have you heard anything about them adding support in the future?
    Cheers, S.

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    • Niclas replied

      These are the problems we are all facing. Next year the Bluetooth SIG will start register apps against a very small fee and then you can go there and see what the app is capable of. You could also choose to go with Polar Beat which has the support for the sensor.

      Niclas
      (works for Polar)

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  36. Jeroen Hamelink

    So does anyone know when the stride sensor will be incorporated into the Polar Beats app for Android? Currently only version 1.0 appears to be available for android 4.3 (Samsung Galaxy S4)

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    • Rainmaker replied

      You won't see the Beat app support versions prior to 4.3 for BLE support, since that's when it was introduced into the Android OS.

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  37. Guy

    Adidas recently released a Bluetooth version of the Speed_Cell, which is about 1/4 the size of the Polar unit. I prefer the Polar Beat App, what is the chance it will read the Adidas pod? Are these pods more proprietary than the HRMs?

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Both these pods are fully Bluetooth Smart compatible. You can read the Polar pod from the Adidas app, and the Adidas pod from the Polar app...and vice versa.

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  38. Kiran

    Hi Ray,
    Great Review. A google search sent me to your website and was really impressed with all your reviews.
    I own a Windows Phone (Nokia Lumia 920) which now has support for Bluetooth LE. I am using the Polar H7 with my phone. I use the miCoach app on my phone.
    I run both in open and on a treadmill or covered track, where GPS is not accessible.
    I am currently considering a Bluetooth footpod.
    I know the Adidas Speed_Cell works with our phones, but as I already own a Polar product, I prefer buying the Polar Stride Sensor. Do you think this will work on my phone with the miCoach app or any other app? Polar H7 works with Runtastic on windows phone.
    Or should I simply buy the adidas speed_cell? the only reason I prefer not buying the adidas speed_cell is poor reviews.

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Just tried it out. No problems connecting/pairing my 920 to the Polar unit using the miCocah app, and then swinging the Polar unit a bit and having it display some valid look values.

      That said, honestly, think about the size of a volley-ball. Now, think about the size of a ping-pong ball. That's the relative size differences between the Polar unit and the tiny speed_cell. Roughly.

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    • Kiran replied

      Thanks for the reply and thanks for trying it out.
      Woahhh, such a big difference in size.
      Man, now thinking of changing my decision back to the speed_cell just for the size.
      I'll be placing an order something this week or next week, whatever comes to my mind first, i'll order that! LOL! :D

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  39. Kurt Owens

    Does anyone know if the Adidas bluetooth speed cell work worth with apps like iSpeedRun or Endomondo?

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  40. Sebastien

    Hi Ray!
    Assuming the Stride Sensor is well calibrated (i.e. multiple laps on a 400m track for example), how would you compare the accuracy of the GPS vs Stride Sensor - with Polar Beat app?
    I understand for outdoor runs, the main plus of the Stride Sensor is the cadence. But I'm not so clear what to do with this information? Could you suggest any good material online on training with cadence?
    Thanks

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    • Rainmaker replied

      On a track the stride sensor will generally will. Out in real-life terrain it's going to be a bit of a wash (again, assuming well calibrated). For most people GPS will give better overall accuracy though because calibration slowly gets out of whack on the sensor (movement on shoe, etc...).

      As for cadence, this should help a bit: link to running.competitor.com

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    • Stephane replied

      A good tool to compare (or calibrate) a Stride Sensor vs GPS can be find here: link to fellrnr.com

      In my opinion, the main plus of stride sensor is for reactivity of realtime pace reading.

      Secondly, you are right, the stride sensor report cadence, lot of peoples thinks they have many advantages to run with cadence around 90 steps/minute

      Quotes from link to fellrnr.com
      "The single most important running tip I would give runners is to focus on their cadence (how often their feet touch the ground). Cadence is reasonably easy to modify and I believe it has more impact on running efficiency and injury than any other single thing."

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    • Sebastien replied

      Thanks Ray! This is useful.
      And happy to learn that Jack Daniels is both a distiller and a famous coach! :-)

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  41. Dallas Cardio

    What is the current app support of the footpad now on iOS? I know digifit does not support it yet.

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  42. Just curious... does it matter which foot (left / right) the sensor goes on? I guess not, since no-one seems to mention it, but thought I'd ask anyway :)

    Thanks,

    pc.

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  43. Vladimir Rodríguez

    Hi guy, your analysis is really ver cool. On the other hand, I wonder if you know if it is possible to combine the stride sensor S3 and the GPS sensor G3 in the training computer RS800CX?

    Yesterday, I used both sensors together while I was running, by 50 mins. But I think that only the GPS sensor was working because I couldn't measure neither cadence nor stride length. Finally, I just measured distance and speed with GPS sensor.

    However if I use only the stride sensor I read everything sucessfully.

    Thanks

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  44. JrBenito

    Hi, very nice review, thanks!

    Nowadays Polar supports H7 and H6 HRM on Android devices with Jelly Bean plus and up versions. Does Polar or any other app support stride sensor on Android already?

    I found on Amazon stride sensor selling page "select Android devices" but I was not able to find option for stride sensor in the Polar app. However since I don't have the sensor itself I don't know if the missing option is lack of app support or because sensor is not present.

    Any good news for Android?

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  45. Michael

    I just bought the Polar RUN, my Andriod v4.4.2 (Galaxy S4) quickly finds the stride sensor complete with ID in the name, but in attempting to pair I get a message "Unable to communicate with Polar RUN XXXXXXXX". Will this get fixed or should I sell the stride sensor?

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  46. Marco Berg

    Mmm. Will it work with Suunto Ambit3? Suunto's own foot pod is ANT+...

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    • Ray Maker replied

      It's something I'll be testing as part of my Ambit3 in-depth review. But because Bluetooth Smart compatibility seems to shift a bit from firmware to firmware, I'm waiting until the final version is released to test/publish.

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  47. andario

    Hi Ray (&Co.),

    I just bought a V800, and I´d like to get a cadence sensor to find out if my running form is good (Or more specifically, I´m not as interested in my number of steps per minute as I´m interested to know if I have an even time division between strides). However, as an Android user without a proper "Polar Beat" app (no cadence info for us Android users) I´m not really sure if I can get the kind of info I´m looking for through the "Polar Flow" website - which is the main site I use with my V800 anyway -.

    As such, do you happen to know if I can actually get that kind of info with the aforementioned combo? And if not possible, could you recommend any other stride sensor that would work with my V800/Polar Flow and still give me that cadence info I´m searching for?

    Thanks a lot Ray, I love your site.

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    • Ray Maker replied

      The cadence sensor is direct to the device, and nothing to do with Android. Last time I checked, the cadence does show up on the main Polar Flow site, which is what you're looking for - correct?

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    • Paul Colby replied

      Hi andario,

      From what I've seen of the traffic between FlowSync and flow.polar.com, the V800 (or rather FlowSync) only sends cadence data as steps-per-minute, not the variability of intervals between steps.

      You can see an example of the "samples" based data, including foot-pod candence, from a V800 in JSON format at link to github.com (the raw data in protobuf format is there too, but unless you're familiar with Google Protocol Buffers, you probably won't be able to read that directly).

      I'm not aware of any alternative devices that would give you interstep variability data.

      Cheers.

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    • andario replied

      Hey Ray and Paul,

      Yes, it´s the variability between steps what I´m looking for. The following user on Amazon says this sensor does exactly what I´m looking for, but he´s just using the Iphone app, no HRM:

      link to amazon.com

      I´ve double checked the Polar Flow site and I´ve only been able to find cadence and avg. cadence values, but I still find it odd that the iphone app gives some info that a 400€ flagship V800 will not. Am I mistaken here?

      And Paul, I certainly appreciate your reply, but I´m afraid I don´t have a clue on what to do with that file. Can you access the info I´m searching for in any way?

      Thanks again guys.

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    • Ray Maker replied

      Hmm, I'll be honest, I don't think I've ever heard of footpod step variability. Heart rate variability, yup. Stride length. Cadence. Yup. Various running position stuff, yup.

      Do you have a pointer or a screenshot to what your referring to? It may just be a long day for me and I'm completely blanking out.

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    • andario replied

      Don´t tell me you haven´t heard about it, Ray, I´m just a novice runner and you´re like baby Jesus with running shoes to me, so if you don´t know about it... :( And no, I truly wish I had a screenshot, but I don´t.

      I´ll try to give you an accurate example of what I´m searching for, anyway: I myself have a chronic injury in my left knee, so, while pedalling on the bike, I´ve caught myself a few times applying more pressure with my good leg, than with my "lazy" one, which I think it´s just a natural body reflex to prevent my bad leg from hurting more than it usually does, the following day. If I´m not mistaken, the type of cadence sensor you can use on a bike tells you not only your actual "cadence" (RPM) but the amount of pressure you´re exerting with each leg, to see if you´re applying an even, balanced amount of pressure with boths legs, right?

      Well, that´s exactly the type of sensor I´d like to get to evaluate my running form, since I´m afraid my "lazy" leg might end being far more "dangerous" to me while I´m running than when I´m pedalling (additional increased pressure on my knees and spine derived from possibly uneven strides), and what that guy in the Amazon review seems to evaluating, just using the Polar sensor and a Iphone.

      Am I chasing the moon here? :)

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    • Paul Colby replied

      I've only heard of what you're describing in context of cycling power (not cadence). I suppose it is possible to do with cadence (both bike and foot), but I've never seen it done.

      The V800 / FlowSync data formats do include the concept of "left-right-balance". However, I've never seen the V800 actually send this value (using cycling speed / cadence or foot pod) - I assume this is because it is based on cycling power, and there is no official power sensor available yet, AFAIK.

      However, regardless of what the V800 currently supports, the foot pod might be sending more detailed information that other devices (such as the iPhone) can record. Currently the V800 has no such support that I can see.

      Cheers.

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    • andario replied

      Thanks for the input, Paul.

      The only thing that I fail to understand is how is it possible that the most updated, most capable, most expensive product Polar has to offer does not have the ability to record what an Iphone app seems to be able to do, most specially when the Polar apps have never been the pinnacle of quality, fully-featured sports apps in the business, precisely.

      I guess someone out there reading this post will have both the sensor and an Iphone, and confirm if that feature is available indeed, maybe even posting a good'ol screenshot. (Yet the Amazon guy leaves leaves little to no doubt...)

      Anyway, if anybody else can offer us any more input about this, now or in the future, I would certainly appreciate it, and I´ve subscribed to this thread, just in case.

      And BTW Ray, I don´t know if you have that kind of communication with Polar, but if you´re intrigued enough by this issue, you could always trying asking them directly (I suspect they might end paying up more attention to you than they have paid to my own emails...)

      Thanks again guys.

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    • Ray Maker replied

      Honestly, I don't see how an iPhone app could offer that with any level of accuracy. A swag, perhaps, but not accurately.

      There are numerous products that are just coming onto the market, that will be doing this though, measured at the footpod level. Check out this: link to dcrainmaker.com

      They're on Kickstarter now: link to kickstarter.com

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    • andario replied

      Thanks for that link Ray, it´s certainly an interesting product, although a bit overkill for my needs, I believe. An active Kickstarter also means it´ll be months, at best, until it´s commercially available. By then we might even have a Polar Flow app for our V800... ;)

      About the accuracy, I honestly have no idea, so I´ll take your word for it. I still believe, though, that either that guy on Amazon is a world-class-bored prankster, or we might just get some actually useful info from the dang sensor as it is.

      Some reports says the V800 gets that kind of info, but it doesn´t transfer to the Android app/Polar Flow/Polar Personal trainer, which I wouldn´t mind that much if I could read that info directly from the watch, but still, I haven´t been able to find anything clear on the net, even after googling and reading Amazon reviews from 4 different countries. Polar user manuals from either product are effectively useless in this regard.

      In any event Ray, you have a gazillion views on the page, so I guess it´s only a matter of time until a good samaritan visits this post and takes the time to post a couple of screenshots to clarify it for us, I guess.

      In the meantime, I´ll spend my online time searching for a high-quality knee-support, since my knee has already started to complain due to increased training (There must be a "dcrainmaker" equivalent for knee-support reviews out there, I´m hoping... ;)

      Thanks guys.

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  48. Massimiliano

    hi,
    i can use this sensor for basketball practice...
    i use polar v800 on the bench, and the sensor on shoes...
    is possible?

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    • Ray Maker replied

      Generally you won't get good connectivity across a court with Bluetooth Smart. So no.

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  49. Dennis Quiambao

    Will this work with the Suunto Ambit3?

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  50. Dennis Quiambao

    thanks for the quick reply on my question regarding the adidas foot pod (BT). I just found out it is not available in my country (Philippines). I might get lucky with the Polar BT pod though, hence my question above.

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  51. Dennis Quiambao

    any update if the Polar stride sensor will work with the Suunto Ambit3?

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