Note if you're reading a watch review: Note that over the past few months new Garmin, Timex and Polar watches have been released. If you're stopping by to read one of my many watch reviews, you'll definitely want to check out the new Garmin FR910XT In Depth Review, the Garmin FR610 In Depth Review, Timex Run Trainer and Polar RCX5 In Depth Review. Always best to know all your options out there. Enjoy!

Wednesday, May 4, 2011

An inside look at downloading FR310XT workouts to the web without a computer

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You may remember quite a while back I showed off the Wahoo Fitness iPhone dongle.  This handy dandy little white pod the size of a quarter plugs into the bottom of your iPhone/iPod and allows connections to ANT+ devices such as heart rate straps, power meters, speed/cadence sensors and more.

When I first wrote about it nearly a year ago, it was just prior to coming on the market – so the app selection was a bit slim.  Fast forward many months later and there are now more than 60 apps out there that take advantage of it and its ANT+ capabilities.  There’s an incredible array of really cool apps.  Everything from the big dogs (Runkeeper and MapMyRide/MapyMyRun), to the smaller boutique apps (Joggy Coach and iSmoothRun) – all allowing you to do as you please with ANT+ connected devices – including live data ANT+ data transmission to web sites.

However, one area that hasn’t been touched to date was the ability to connect to ANT+ enabled watches such as the FR310XT and download your workout directly from the watch, straight to the web.  This has been asked for by quite a few people – including myself, and it’s quite possible I may have been secretly pushing a variety of folks to do the development work to add it to their apps.

Well, I’m happy to report it’s now here!  The guys at Wahoo Fitness recently gave me access to some pre-release builds showing off the feature, and I figured I’d give y’all a walk through of how it works.

First up, you’ll need three things:

A) A Garmin Forerunner 310XT (more on other devices later in the post)
B) A compatible iPhone/iPod/iPad
C) Wahoo Fitness Fisica Dongle or Wahoo Bike Case

Once you’ve got those things you’ll grab the basic Wahoo Fitness app.  Now Wahoo’s game in town is pretty much supplying the hardware and the development API’s (interfaces) to allow everyone else to create cool apps.  They don’t really care to sell their app (it’s free), but instead look at it like a bit of a showcase for other to follow.  They make their money on the hardware, not the apps.  For example, this app not only adds the cool FR310XT downloading feature this post is about, but also integration with pumping your live ANT+ data straight to MapMyRun/MapMyRide’s online tracking portal.  At any rate…

Once you’ve got the app downloaded, it’ll look just like this:

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To get started you’ll want to configure any number of different services that you can upload to, such as Training Peaks, MapMyRide, or even Nike+.  You can also just simply e-mail yourself the files (includes the bundle of .PWX, .TCX, .CSV, .WF and .FIT…basically – everything under the sun), so that you can import them into any numbers of applications that support the standard Garmin files.

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Once you’ve got your basic settings configured, it’ll be time to retrieve the history from the device.  To do that, we’ll just go ahead and click the ‘History’ button located two screen shots above.  That’ll bring us to this page:

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Here you’ll go ahead and select to ‘Import from Garmin 310XT’.  This will then start the process of trying to find your little orange FR310XT friend.  In order to do this you’ll need to ensure that your FR310XT is initially in pairing mode.  Just like when you first paired it to your PC.  And just like then, you’ve only got to do that once.

Once the watch is paired, it’ll go ahead and retrieve a list of files available on the unit.  You can see the bright green ones are those that are not yet downloaded.  Whereas the other ones are older files left on the unit.

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After you’ve figured out which file you want (Hint: It’s probably the most recent one and in bright green), then you select it and click Download.

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After which, the program will start to transfer it.  It takes a few seconds, but not too long.

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When the transfer is complete the file will be hanging out locally to use in your history.  From there you simply select the file and then select to transfer it to the service of your choice.

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You can also e-mail the raw data files to yourself, which work in any number of different sports applications (Sport Tracks, WKO+, Garmin Connect, etc…).  If you’ve uploaded it to something like Training Peaks, then you’ll simply find the workout up on your account, just like below:

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That’s it, super easy to use!

In talking with the Wahoo Fitness guys, the app has been submitted to the Apple App Store, a should be available likely in the next week – perhaps even the next few days…as soon as Apple approves it.

Also, they’ll be adding in support for the other ANT+ enabled watches such as the FR405, FR60, FR410, and FR610 very shortly here in an update.  These are the watches that today support ANT+ transfers of workouts.  Devices such as the Edge 500 and Edge 800 don’t support ANT+ transfers today.  Though, it’s believed that Garmin could enable this in a firmware update.  I’ve asked Garmin for comment on the technical possibility of this and will update this post once that information comes in.

[Update from Garmin regarding Edge 500/705/800 series devices:] Garmin has confirmed that the hardware is in these units to be able to complete ANTFS workout file transfers via ANT+ wirelessly.  Today of course these are done via USB on the Edge devices.  However, the important part of the official response back is the following:

“As we continue forward, we take strong consideration from the voices of our users in regards to our current lineup as well as new and innovative products. We are excited about the future and the growth within the fitness segment.”

DCR Translation: If you think that having Garmin add the ability to wirelessly transfer workouts from your otherwise USB and computer bound Edge series cycling computers would be useful to you – consider leaving a comment below, elaboration is helpful.

[End update]

In the end I think this is a great win for both iPhone/iPad/iPod users but also Garmin users.  This allows you to upload your workout ‘from the field’, such as just after completing a run or bike ride.  This is especially useful if you’re a long car ride away and want to get the data up to a coach or similar.  Or if you simply just prefer to avoid the PC altogether.

Thanks for reading!

76 comments:

Chmouel May 4, 2011 12:53 AM  

I wish that stuff were available from android and an aside note i don't think the bold blue on a black background is the best thing for reading!

Marci May 4, 2011 2:53 AM  

ok this is way to cool Ray... thanks for sharing...

LT Thompson May 4, 2011 9:20 AM  

no direct to garmin connect upload?

(Ray, saw you on the road at the Nations Half and while conditions didnt permit stopping to talk, it made my day anyway. Thanks for all you do, it is great research and info for all of us.)

LT

Morten Liebach May 4, 2011 9:20 AM  

Very cool.

But I do find it ironic that this nice app for uploading to TrainingPeaks only works on iOS which do not support the Flash hell the TrainingPeaks webinterface is. :-)

And yes, I do know about the mobile version too. It has no graphs...

Jomolungma May 4, 2011 10:06 AM  

Super awesome. Ironic in that I was just having a twitter conversation with the TrainingPeaks folks and asked about a feature like this in their iPhone app. They told me it might be a ways off, but was something they were looking into. Well, I guess this does the trick.

I've been hoping for something like this for two reasons: first, I run mostly during my lunch hour at work and wanted a way to get the file up to TrainingPeaks before I got home so that I can look at some data from the office. Second, I travel a lot and can't use my work computer to upload run data due to security issues, so I've been taking TWO laptops with me on the road just to track my runs when I'm away from home. This will allow me to upload the data, which I CAN view on my work laptop through the web.

Super super awesome. And I just happen to have a dongle to use. Can't wait to try this out. Thanks for the update Ray!

Sharon May 4, 2011 10:17 AM  

Very cool, any word on Android availability?

Chad May 4, 2011 10:30 AM  

The underlying transport is Bluetooth, right? Smart phones and laptops both have Bluetooth, so can't we have a software solution that doesn't require a dongle?

MO May 4, 2011 11:37 AM  

I just want to know when an update to the 310xt is coming? Come on Garmin its May already. We need an update!

Mark May 4, 2011 4:36 PM  

I've been using both the Wahoo Fitness bike case and Wahoo's Fisica Fitness app for a while now, and I can say that I think Wahoo is too modest in describing their own app. As far as I'm concerned, Wahoo's app is as good as, or even better than, a lot of the third-party apps (many of which are, at least in app-price terms, relatively expensive). However, I have noticed a couple of bugs in Wahoo's Fisica Fitness app, which they said will be fixed in the update. So it's good news that the update will be available soon.

bmatt May 4, 2011 9:22 PM  

All I can say is SWEET!

Anonymous May 4, 2011 11:30 PM  

It would be great to be able to upload to Garmin Connect and TP while on the road with only my Ipod.

Anonymous May 5, 2011 12:41 AM  

Transferring from edge 500 would be a great improvement.

Droffen

gregclimbs May 5, 2011 1:01 AM  

Ray,

The 705 already (to some degree) supports ant+fs...

Page 47 of the manual says you can transfer files...

http://static.garmincdn.com/pumac/2297_OwnersManual.pdf

(I have never tried it)

g

Anonymous May 5, 2011 2:17 AM  

I wonder if this technology would be available for the Timex GPS Global watch?

Anonymous May 5, 2011 2:35 AM  

Edge uploads would be great.

SM May 5, 2011 5:42 AM  

I'd love this functionality on my Edge 800.

Ian May 5, 2011 6:12 AM  

ANT+ connectivity for the Edge Series would be great; downloading data after a ride without needing to take the computer from the bike and dig out the USB cable.

Ian May 5, 2011 6:12 AM  

ANT+ connectivity for the Edge Series would be great; downloading data after a ride without needing to take the computer from the bike and dig out the USB cable.

DoubleHH May 5, 2011 6:13 AM  

This is cool! I would definitely use this with my iPad. It would be great to see a direct upload link to Garmin Connect. However, as another commenter noted GC doesn't display graphs on iOS. Lately, I'm finding that GC is the only reason I use my PC; a GC app would be killer!
Also, I agree with the first commenter; blue text on black background isn't a good choice.

Anonymous May 5, 2011 6:43 AM  

Please add ANT+ support to the Edge 500, along with footpod support.

Greg May 5, 2011 8:08 AM  

Thanks for continuing to show us what's possible Ray.

If Garmin could add the necessary firmware to allow myself and my wife to transfer files ANT+ transfer files from our Edge 500 and 800:-)

Increasingly we are trying to get buy with just an iPad on trips so being able to upload via an iPad/iPhone would be very helpful.

I was thinking about a Garmin 210, but seeing this new way to upload my data I'll need to seriously consider a 610 instead.

Janyne Kizer May 5, 2011 8:08 AM  

I would love to be able to transfer to my data from my Forerunner 305/310 to my iOS device (Touch, iPhone, iPad) when I travel. That would be awesome!

Dustin Schneider May 5, 2011 8:09 AM  

Yes, please add ANT+ data transfer support to the Edge series. USB is ok (and I have a million cables that work), but it's a little annoying that my FR60 does it wirelessly, and my Edge 800 requires a cable. Now with the iPhone transfer option for the 310XT - the 800 would be awesome!

Matt Johnson May 5, 2011 8:12 AM  

Transferring wirelessly to my PC from the Edge 500 would be a huge plus for me!

Jaap May 5, 2011 8:13 AM  

Please make It work on THE edge. I love THE capability on my FR310XT.

mhoutman May 5, 2011 8:36 AM  

love to see Runkeeper support too :)

Jeff Vanis May 5, 2011 8:44 AM  

It would be awesome if Garmin enabled ANT+ Transfers on the Edge series. Having the ability to do it either way is always a great option. Hopefully they will enable the transfers, I would use the Wahoo dongle to connect a lot, very convenient when away from a computer!

Anonymous May 5, 2011 8:54 AM  

Edge 800 ANT+ upload to Pc/MAC & iphone would be great !!! Currently a bit painful having to plug USB for every transfer (ie. Health data from Tanita) knowing the products has the hardware to it seamlessly...

scott May 5, 2011 9:15 AM  

Yes Garmin should allow ANT+ sync from Edge to the computer. The only reason I'd need to go USB would be to charge and I don't need that nearly as often as I sync. Doesn't mean they would need to include an ANT+ stick (though it'd be nice to have an extra) but for those of us who already have one from our Forerunner, the capability should be included

Shade May 5, 2011 9:50 AM  

Yes, please add ANT+ data transfer support to the Edge series. I would then only have to "plug in" to charge, which is only about once a week.

Anonymous May 5, 2011 9:50 AM  

Add ANT+ to my Edge500 asap, please :-))
TNX

Turn The Damn Cranks! May 5, 2011 10:06 AM  

Edge uploads would be awesome, preferably via Android.

tms May 5, 2011 10:25 AM  

Would certainly be interested in ANTFS support for my Edge 800. Aside from making it more convenient, it'd also reduce the fatigue on the USB cover/socket from being repeatedly opened/closed. Plus, it's one less wire that I have to keep on my desk all the time so it'd help to clean up my office a bit :P

The only caveat that I'd add is that if it is integrated, I'd like the current USB-MSC mode to remain as there are circumstances where it is useful (eg when the computer you're using doesn't have drivers). I guess that would be likely as most Edge buyers don't have the USB stick, but I figured I'd mention it to be sure.

PS Extra points if they could add device-to-device transfers back to the 800. When I had the 705 I didn't know anyone else with one so it wasn't helpful, but I sold my 705 to a friend to buy my 800 so it'd be really handy for sharing courses ;)

Tim May 5, 2011 10:59 AM  

It's nice to hear the Edge 800 has a built-in ANT transmitter, but now I'd like to see it used.

I think wireless activity transfer would be nice -- then when I do my weekly activity sync with my 310xt and FR60 I could also get the Edge activities without needing to use a cable and manually go to garmin connect etc...

Still I think there are probably other great uses -- like bringing back transfers between devices.

The iPhone/iPod/iPad options are interesting, although I don't know if I could justify spending $70 for a dongle that I would only use to sync my activities.

Family Vacations May 5, 2011 12:37 PM  

This is an important feature. it would allow us to quickly upload our stats to the web in case we lose our watch or iPhone app, like runmeter that is GC compatible. After my run, I immediately use runmeter to send my workout data to dailymile to ensure that the information is in two places (device and web). It would be great if I could send it directly to GC.

Erik B May 5, 2011 12:49 PM  

Yes,Garmin should add ANT+ data transfer support to the Edge series!

maupie May 5, 2011 3:18 PM  

Yes,Garmin should add ANT+ data transfer support to the Edge series!

Sean Sullivan May 5, 2011 3:38 PM  

Garmin: Please update the firmware on the Edge devices to allow Ant+ transfer. I hate having to carry the USB cable for my Edge and also the Ant+ dongle for my 310XT.

Adding the wireless transfer capability will make it more convienient to transfer the workouts and also let you do the wireless transfer like Ray describes via the iPhone.

Roy May 5, 2011 3:41 PM  

TBH I'm more interest in metrics, TSS, IF, xPower, bikescore etc!! Yes Garmin just do it! Thank you

Anonymous May 5, 2011 3:53 PM  

+1 on activating ant+ on the Edge 500! This is a great feature that I enjoy on my FR60. No need to take it off of the bike (except for charging, which is way less often than I upload rides), find the cable, connect, sign in and upload - no brainer. Please make this happen.

jason May 5, 2011 6:07 PM  

I'd much rather be able to use my iphone to upload data from my edge 500 and or 800 when I can upgrade to that

Stephan May 6, 2011 10:57 AM  

I would definitely like the ability to transfer wirelessly from my Edge 500. The less cords I need to keep track of the better!

Enrico May 6, 2011 11:14 AM  

I really would like to see ANT+ for my Edge 500 too!
This way the Edge is not charging the battery each time i transfer a new workout.

V&A May 6, 2011 3:07 PM  

Ray, first, a great blog!
I absolutely think that the Wahoo functionality would be great for all Garmin sports devices. Personally, I am tired of lugging my 17" laptop on every trip, but I find it pretty hard to match up entries in my Garmin devices with the training log post factum - particularly on Training Peaks, where you have to navigate to each downloaded file manually. So, it would be good to upload all workouts while traveling right then and there.

Anonymous May 6, 2011 4:29 PM  

Yes, yes, yes, please add functionality! What about iPad compatibility?! And what about apple adding ant+ out of the box for apple products...

Andrew May 7, 2011 9:31 AM  

Ant+ uploads to the iphone and ipad would be awesome from the edge series. My desktop is strewn with usb cables from all sorts of things. A neat little dongle is easier, especially when traveling and riding in different places where a computer isn't accessible, but 3g is almost everywhere. Even cooler, would be apple adding ant+ capability built into their products. I've seen rumors that apple is looking to expand gps capabilities and uses for the iphone. Flip the switch Garmin, give us the power!!!

Andrew May 7, 2011 9:32 AM  

one less reason to actually need a computer too.

Kate May 7, 2011 2:10 PM  

I would LOVE to be able to upload my run with my iphone! I travel a lot and do not always have my computer. I cannot count the times that I've actually looked at my phone and thought... this should be possible! Look forward to it being available for the 610 and 405.
Thanks for the post and update

Douglas May 7, 2011 5:34 PM  

+1 for Ant+ transfers from the edge

Nicholas May 7, 2011 11:45 PM  

The Garmin Forerunner 405 uses ANT+ to transfer workout data. I am confused as to why this product will not work with this watch??? Does anybody know why it couldn't?

Eli May 8, 2011 11:45 PM  

+1 on unit transfers from Edge devices.

Hope they can add unit to unit transfers to Edge 800 devices. I use a 705 and use that function a bunch of times on group rides and kind of want to upgrade to an 800 but lacking that functionality makes it unlikely I'll get an 800.

Eli May 9, 2011 8:32 AM  

Would also be very useful if we could transfer a course from phone to Edge. So if I'm somewhere and forgot to download the course from mapmyride I could just use the iphone app to get the course and send it to my Edge.

This would also make it easier to use the better router smartphone's have in order to find things but then still use the edge which I find much better to ride with in order to get there.

Nick Wisdom May 9, 2011 4:48 PM  

I would love to be able to transfer workouts from my edge 800 wirelessly both via the ant USB adapter as well as via my iPhone. Better yet... Howbout wireless updating to both my gamin connect account and my training peaks account without me having to do anything other than drop the devices in range of a wireless ant receiver.

Anonymous May 14, 2011 2:27 AM  

Absolutely want this for my Edge 500. Ridiculous that it must be tethered to my PC when my 405 can do everything wirelessly from my wrist. C'mon Garmin, please enable ANT file transfers so I don't have to go digging around for the black USB cable in the bottom of my black gear back.

AC May 20, 2011 2:02 AM  

Garmin should definitely add this to the Edge series, especially if it's only a firmware update.

Any word on Wahoo adding more sites to upload to? Like say, Strava, or Garmin Connect?

As long as you're talking with Garmin, how about asking about the 310XT strap fiasco. Personally I'm still pissed about having to buy the QR kit just to so my $350 gps doesn't fall off my write constantly. They really screwed the consumer with that one.

lhuang May 22, 2011 1:22 AM  

It may be shallow, but one of the reasons I haven't bought an Edge 500 is the lack of wireless transfer. I dislike cables and since I already use the ANT stick for my 310 (and incoming 610), having the 500 do it would be great. And I second everyone else, not having to lug my laptop on long trips would be a fabulous bonus as well

Eli May 24, 2011 3:47 PM  

Any update from Garmin on them adding this functionality?

David G May 29, 2011 1:12 PM  

Emphatic +1 for me on this too. The ability to upload data from my Garmin Edge 500 (and my Forerunner 310 to a lesser extent) is the single most significant feature I'm looking for to purchase an iPad. It seems to simply be impossible today and both Apple and Garmin would seem to benefit from allowing this feature-either through standard functionality or through an accessory. Standard is of course preferred, but just having an option would be HUGE.

James P June 17, 2011 8:58 AM  

+1 for me to on adding it the Edge series. Its great with the 310xt and dongle. Extending it to the Edge range would be a nice upgrade.

Matthieu June 26, 2011 1:23 PM  

Great post and in a leap of faith I bought the dongle thinking it would work with my FR50 since it uses the same wireless mode of transfer, but no luck. Why is it limited to the 310? weird also to not have inicluded the more recent 610. This is the missing link for me to dump my laptop when traveling, I need a way to empty my FR50 on the go!

Rainmaker June 26, 2011 1:25 PM  

Hi Matt-

It's at the moment limited to the FR60, FR410, FR310XT, FR610. This is mostly a function of the watches Wahoo had handy, and in fact, I sent them over the FR410/FR610 and FR60 to get added (which they did).

I don't have an FR50 - but I'll ask the guys at Wahoo now via e-mail (they may also respond here). The challenge is that each watch treats it slightly differently, so they have to be coded differently in the app.

Chip H June 26, 2011 3:53 PM  

Hi,

We looked at the FR50. It was created before the .fit standard was finalized and uses a proprietary protocol. It is possible for us to implement, but it would take a lot of work and the watch appears to be discontinued.

We can definitely commit to adding the Edge computers if Garmin adds the capability as well as any other devices that come on the market or add download capability. I've been talking with a few manufacturers regarding this lately. Good positive response, but no commitments yet.

thanks,

Chip from Wahoo

Chip H June 26, 2011 4:55 PM  

Forgot to add, we posted the next release to Apple that includes support for the FR60, 410 and 610. Also does upload to Garmin Connect and Strava now.

Chip from Wahoo

Matthieu June 28, 2011 4:55 PM  

Disainting since someone at Wahoo answered my request saying they will include jthe FR50. I guess I just have to put the dongue on eBay now.

Rusty Smith July 31, 2011 6:10 PM  

Hey DC - add me to list that would love to see Garmin 500/800 upload via the dongle/iphone/ipad route. I travel quite a bit, and increasing use my ipad instead of my computer. In fact, the only reason I took my computer with me to Lake Placid recently was so that I could upload data to my coach - garmin releases this firmware update, and I could go completely computerless!

Ken August 4, 2011 8:33 PM  

Please also add me to the list of people would like the Garmin Edge to have this feature. I have an ANT+ dongle on my iPhone as well as the ANT+ USB key. Wireless transfer and also Edge uploads from the road would be huge. Thanks.

Mr. A August 10, 2011 12:54 AM  

I see no mention of Timex. Any idea or limited to only Garmin.

Rainmaker August 10, 2011 12:55 AM  

No support from Timex, but no reason they can't add it (Timex). Currently they do transfers via USB and not via ANT+. I honestly don't see that changing.

Anonymous August 31, 2011 9:16 AM  

a little late - but here's still hoping that Garmin add ANT uploads to the edge 800 firmware

Ethan October 6, 2011 9:24 PM  

Im getting an error message in wahoo fitness app when configuring garmin connect. Anyone else experiencing this?

Rainmaker October 6, 2011 11:17 PM  

Hi Ethan-

I just did an upload to GC a few minutes ago, no issues - showed up in my account.

TriTriAgain in NOLA October 26, 2011 11:11 AM  

Hey Ray! Greetings from the land of alligators and hurricanes. ADD ME TO THE FOLKS WANTING EDGE ANT+ CONNECTIVITY TO MY IPHONE! Also, while we are at it, can we get a way to import Garmin files to the Polar Protrainer 5? Oh, yes, can we get Polar to port their PPT5 over to the Mac so I don't have to run Microsoft in Parallels just for Polar ProTrainer 5 anymore?

Thanks for the wonderful, thoughtful and thorough work you do every day helping all of us to better document and learn from our training using these devices. You are the MAN!

Rob Pinnington December 8, 2011 11:54 AM  

I note you stated back in may that "they’ll be adding in support for the other ANT+ enabled watches such as the FR405, FR60, FR410, and FR610 very shortly here in an update. These are the watches that today support ANT+ transfers of workouts."

But I just emailed Wahoo and they say 405 is not supported.

APBS January 11, 2012 2:45 PM  

I just ordered my key and will be trying your technique via iphone4s and ipad2. Do you think the DigiKey and the Garmin devices could do the same thing?

Julian January 12, 2012 4:13 AM  

Still hoping Garmin gets that firmware round the corner to have the Edge 800 transmit wirelessly...would be freakin awsome! They're kinda slow on that front...

Jamie January 24, 2012 9:04 PM  

I just got my 610 & wahoo dongle this afternoon & did a brief 4 mile loop around the lake.
What a great device & system for uploading the info to my iPad! Wow! I am beyond impressed! Thank you Ray for steering me in the right direction to start my training goals!

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