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The Sportiiiis is ANT+ only, so it needs the Viiiiva for now to translate BLE. If you want the Cliiiimb features on the Sportiiiis, you’ll need the Viiiiva in the middle. :)
Cool concept, but I think they need a reeeeebrand.
first thought on this post could be: “wow, a iPhone 5c!”
Android? (insert boilerplate about bluetooth smart)
Not sure I would be interested in the Strava competition side, but wonder if this could be used as a “heads up info system” for how you are going against a course based training program. Instead of “heros”, have loaded training profiles…..similar in concept, but more useable day to day, instead of a one off bust your gut effort to try and move your name up some ladder, but might need feed back on how you are going with heart rate or watts etc against target to be useful
It’s not really meant for competition, but the idea of trying to follow in someone else’s footsteps for a run or ride.. I’ve liked running with it a few times seeing where on a hill another athlete is pushing harder or laying back a bit, etc… Push hard at the bottom or the top? Just trying to pace myself with them, running or riding segments like others have.
So anyways, definitely can be used as you described, that’s how we’ve designed it… Just Strava has all the data right now, and most segments and courses have enough athletes on them that you can find a good pace for you and go with it. :)
Seconded for Android support/
The full Sportiiii remains a superset of the audio only version?
The audio is transmitted from the phone? Guessing BLE doesn’t have the bandwidth to do that so the Sportiiii looks like a normal Bluetooth device to the phone? Or is the audio generated on the device and so less data transfer is needed?
I will join the Android request. And on the off chance that someone from 4iiii’s reads this. I have been trying to email you for just a little support trying to get ViiiiVa bridging ANT+ working in my android app with BTLE support… No trouble HR only but ANT bridging…. just a description of what I should expect would help but my emails go unanswered.
Is the full Sportiiii that is currently out (SP200V) going to be replaced or is it just the Sportiiii voice and the app that will be coming out later?
The full Sportiiiis is the Voice product w/ the LEDs included, yep… And the LEDs show you how you’re pacing with your hero, in Cliiiimb mode. The audio clips are pre-generated, neither ANT+ nor BLE have the bandwidth for true audio streaming, I don’t think. Perhaps the lowest of quality sounds… The Sportiiiis still talks ANT+ only, and thus the combo with our BLE/ANT+ Viiiiva.
Also, ifor, apologies! I was unaware your emails have been unanswered! I’m aware that I have to look into this for you, but have been busy on other projects and assumed the support staff had let you know, my bad. It’s on my list for early next week, I’ve got your app installed, I just haven’t had time to try it yet. :) Have some more bandwidth now and will get back to you ASAP.
Doh, you replied again as I was replying.. SP200(V) will be continuing (and will support the app). LED-less version is new. :)
I see great potential for the Sportiiii’s Voice under android. Would it be possible for Ifor’s IpBike & other android apps to simply send audio notification requests via ant+ to the Sportiiii’s Voice without the Viiiiva Strap in between?
Can the Sportiiii’s Voice be updated over time for additional audio notifications?
I also really like the concept of the Cliiiimb app (mostly to go after personal records on climbs) although I would prefer to have this feature integrated in my android bike computer app instead of runing two gps-tracking apps at the same time. Scott & Ifor, I believe you should definitely have lunch together in the near future.
Another question: would it be feasible to add a heart rate comparision between previous own best effort and current effort to the audio notifications? It would be awesome to see whether you’re beating your personal record only by suffering more or because your fitness improved.
now- that’s some serious motivation.
Me- I’m hoping for a tailwind.
Thanks. I assume the sp200 changed more then just the way of attaching to the glasses from the sp100? (Ray’s in depth review is of the sp100)
BTW does the Sportiiiis have any metronome type of function? I don’t mean keeping the color in the green but a way to flash the LED and or play a sound repeatedly to make it easy to follow a set cadence. That way you can use the color of the lights for other data while the sound/blink rate would be more subconscious like to keep a certain rhythm going.
My thinking is knowing you are pushing too hard or too easy is where the color/ position of the LED is good feedback. Cadence on the other hand is more a rhythm you need to match so the device giving you that rhythm would be more helpful then being told to speed up or slow down
Am I the only one who would find that useful?
Hi Eli,
The latest generation of Sportiiiis has the following changes (1) brighter LEDs (2) more customizable colors (3) a physical button instead of capacitive touch button (4) miscellaneous hardware/software enhancements.
Today Sportiiiis doesn’t support it, but you’re idea about the metronome for cadence is great. Thanks!
Less worried about what it has now as I love products with upgradable firmware so hoping you can add a sound/visual metronome.
I’m thinking the visual metronome should be more of a hint so on, slightly dimmer, on,… so it doesn’t stick out too much in your field of view as something changing cause that you may get used to ignoring the LEDs and not react to the real notifications as well
thanks
Any plan to create something that goes inside aero helmets that use visor shields instead of wearing sunglasses?
I know we’ve been thinking about different ideas for attachment, but I’m unsure if aero helmets have come up yet, I’ll ask around / pass on the suggestion, thanks!
The Cliiiimb hardware includes a couple of mounting options: a clip for your glasses and velcro to attach to your helmet. (You just need to place it near your ear). The combo pack is $129.99 and includes Voiiiice audio coach and Viiiiva heart rate strap plus mounting components and USB charging cable.
Can you confirm that the Voiiiice audio coach will be available unbundled for those of us who already have a Viiiiva? Thanks :-)
For those people who already own Viiiiva, you can use the Cliiiimb app with one of 2 heads-up options — Sportiiiis $149.99 or with Voiiiice $99.99. Sportiiiis has both the audio and visual component. Voiiiice is audio only. And they are sold separately as well as in combo packs.
Glad to see you’re learning so much at Interbiiiiiike.
I would also lie to suggest the android version. With the new update to android getting support for BTLE lots more android handsets will be able to use the cliiimb! I’m a sucker for strava!
This is interesting and I’m glad to see someone from the vendor here to answer questions. Could you clarify how it matches up against the “hero” competitor? Does it use that individual’s actual pace during their PR on Strava or does it use an average speed over the distance covered?
Yup, actual pace during their PR, not just the average speed. Much like the playback of segments you can see on link to raceshape.com but in real time while you’re doing your workout.
Any issues with Strava cooperating in the long term (via their API) to worry about here? Where do they stand in this situation?
Despite this blogs headline as a “segment competition app”, Cliiiimb’s reason for being is NOT to promote competition but rather to promote achieving personal records safely. We do this by helping Strava users to pace themselves with another athlete from the leaderboard while safely keeping their focus on the road.
4iiii submitted a description of the Cliiiimb system to Strava in order to get approval to use their API.
I’m curious how the app determines progress along the segment. Strava’s segment matching algorithm is internal, so I suppose they’d need to develop their own algorithm to determine if the athlete is making progress towards completing the segment. Or is there V3 API support for this?
I’ve been using sportiiiis for my training. It really works for me to refer/control heart rate and cadence effectively.
Anyway, here is I am recently hoping.
If the voice data specification is opened, various type of voice data might be created by third party by using Today’s voice synthesize tech.
Trainer, kids, pro racer, actor, etc…those voice could be motivation keeper, and fun.
I need an android version of the App! Been waiting a long time and still nothing new? Have and use the Sportiiiis often but feel let down that i am missing out on the new cliiiimb and voiiiice stuff because i am not a fan of Apple products and prefer my Samsung.
I appreciate that 4iiii wants to sell hardware, but for all runners the extra device hanging off the sunglasses seems quite redundant when many/most of us already run with headphones (either wired or BT wireless); it would be great to get access to this app unbundled in the App Store for, say, $4.99.
Or maybe offer it for the Viiiiva owners for free, since I just ordered mine.
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