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The New Garmin FR920XT Triathlon Watch: Everything you ever wanted to know

Garmin FR920XT - Two Versions

Please note: My Full In-Depth Review is now published and available.  Please click on over to that post to get my final impressions of the unit. Enjoy!

Today, Garmin has officially announced the successor to the FR910XT triathlon/multisport watch, the FR920XT.  The swim-bike-run focused watch effectively takes all of the recent new features from a number of other new Garmin fitness devices and plunks them into this watch.  Yet at the same time there’s also a number of features which aren’t seen elsewhere on Garmin devices such as cycling-specific VO2Max, a new metronome mode, and then support of Garmin Connect IQ, which allows companies to make apps for the watch.

I’ve had small windows of time with the watch over the past few months, so definitely consider this in the camp of a ‘first look’ post and not an in-depth review. Which means I’m mostly focused on explaining all the new features and functionality, versus deciding if it’s worth the cash (that comes in my full review).  Sound good?  Grab a pint of Ben and Jerry’s and let’s get started.

The New Features:

Garmin FR920XT - Activity Tracker Display

In many ways there are few major unexpected surprises when it comes to the FR920XT.  This is largely because as most people assumed the feature-set really builds upon that established by the Garmin FR620 and Edge 1000 – Garmin’s latest cycling and running units.  So one is squeezing out all the new features from those units and adding it to the FR910XT.  Still, it’s a substantial list. Here’s a rundown of the purely new items (over the FR910XT):

– Addition of Bluetooth Smart, WiFi connectivity
– Addition of Daily Activity Tracking (steps, Sleep, etc…)
– Ability to create Internet connected apps, widgets, data fields (Connect IQ)
– Addition of Live Tracking (requires you carry a phone)
– A Color Screen (that actually really shows colors)
– Creation of Activity Profiles (allows you to create your own)
– Running Dynamics (Vertical Oscillation, Ground Contact Time, Cadence)
– Recovery Advisor, Recovery Time, Race Predictor
– Cycling VO2Max
– PR’s (Personal Records)
– Regular Watch Mode
– UltraTrac (for up to 40 hours of GPS activity…with ANT+ sensor data)
– Addition of GLONASS (for increased GPS accuracy)
– Garmin VIRB action camera control
– Indoor Treadmill support (without a footpod pace/distance)
– Metronome Functionality
– Swimming Drill mode (as found on Garmin Swim, Fenix2)
– Swimming Interval Rest Timer
– Racing against past performances, downloaded performances

As you can see, while there are some completely new things (like the metronome and cycling VO2Max), virtually all the remaining features can be found in other recent Garmin products (FR620, Edge 1000, FR15).  Which, I’ll point out might actually be a good thing – as it means those particular code chunks have had time to ‘bake’ a bit more and get the bugs worked out.

Now, there are a few things that many people saw in the wild rumor mill that aren’t in the FR920XT, specifically:

– No support for heart rate while swimming (though, there should actually be a workaround there with Connect IQ)
– No optical heart rate sensor in the unit itself
– No 3G/cellular connectivity
– No Bluetooth Smart sensor support (i.e. BLE heart rate sensors)
– No Di2 support at this time (though, this too could likely be added in Connect IQ)
– No small ponies

Also, note that the screen is not touchscreen.  For a triathlon watch where it’s all about water, I think that’s probably a good thing at this point.

To that end, this post will largely focus on all the new stuff.  In general, unless I specify otherwise in this post you can assume all the previous FR910XT functionality is carried over.  So everything from indoor/outdoor swim metrics to regular GPS running/cycling recording to power meter functionality and anything else that’s been on the FR910XT or the FR620, is here.  In my full in-depth review (based on final firmware/hardware), I’ll dive into all those regular features like I always do.

But in the interest of most folks who just want the new stuff, we’ll keep it quick and short here.  Actually…who am I kidding?  Nothing is short or quick here.  And for those not so into reading and photos, I’ve put together a bit of a video detailing my first tri with it, as well as the analytics side of the data afterwards.  You can watch that below:

With that, let’s start diving into the details!

Colors, Size, & Weight Comparisons:

Garmin FR920XT - Triathlon Mode

The FR920XT comes in two color variations, seen above.  They are a red/white option and a blue/black option.  Like all previous multisport watches, there is only one size of the watch (meaning, not separate sizes for women or men).

Garmin FR920XT - Tri training Mode

The FR920XT reduces its size a bit compared to the previous FR910XT.  To begin, it’s effectively the same thickness now as the FR620, which makes it pretty darn thin:

Garmin FR920XT - On a diet

Garmin FR920XT - Backside

Here’s a quick glance at the difference in size between the FR920XT (right) and the FR910XT (left).  As you can see the screen is similar in size though slightly smaller, additionally, the outer shell has shrunk a bit.  Note, in the below image the status bar at the top is showing, but that disappears after a few seconds giving more viewable screen space (as seen in other photos here).

Garmin FR920XT to 910XT size Comparison

And looking at the Fenix2 (regular and special edition), it’s got a substantially bigger screen size, though the overall width/height of the watch isn’t terribly different – just rectangle instead of square.

Garmin FR920XT to Fenix2 Size Comparison

You can see quite a difference in thickness there as well:

Garmin FR920XT to Fenix2 Size Comparison

And for completeness, here’s a few on my wrist, and one with the Fenix2 on my wrist:

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FR920XT-Fenix2-Write FR920XT-OnWristSide FR920XT-OnWristTop

Next if we look at the color differences you’ll see it’s much more vibrant than the FR620 was, which didn’t really use the colors for any practical purpose – nor did it have terribly sharp colors.

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Finally, weight-wise the FR920XT sits in at 61g, a reduction of 11g from the base FR910XT which is at 72g (without quick release kit).

Daily Activity Monitoring & Regular Watch Mode:

Garmin FR920XT - Activity Tracking Steps

The FR920XT adds to it all of the common daily activity monitoring/tracking functions found in typical activity trackers like Fitbit and Garmin’s Vivo line (Vivosmart, Vivofit).  These metrics include daily steps, step goals, distance walked, calories burned, and sleep.  Most of these specific metrics will also be transmitted to Apple’s Health Kit (which is semi-implemented right now).

You can see your daily activity on the above page, which shows your progress towards the daily goal, as well as metrics related to that.  This page is accessible from the lock screen by just pressing the up/down side buttons.  Like other Garmin Vivo devices, the step goal is dynamic and will shift slowly from day to day depending on your step count trending.  Thus if you walk more, the goal will increase.  If you instead watch more Ironman Kona TV marathons, the goal will likely decrease.

Additionally, the unit includes a move alert, which will trigger if you’ve been sitting idle too long – a reminder to do something.  You can always override the goal setting, as well as simply turn off activity tracking altogether.

Garmin FR920XT - Activity Tracking Enablement

The new activity monitoring function is also directly accessible on the watch-face home page.  The watch mode is now accessible 24×7 in non-GPS mode for 33 days without having to re-charge the battery.  And if you have activity monitoring and smart notifications enabled, it’s about 30 days of battery (1 month).  If you turn off activity tracking, you’ll get 4 months in straight watch-only mode.

This is a significant change from the FR910XT in a lot of ways, but most notably in that it didn’t offer a regular watch mode at all.

Garmin FR920XT - Watch Mode

The unit also supports the creation of a single time alarm, to help you wake up at 4:45AM for that joyous morning swim session (or not, as in my case).

Garmin FR920XT - Alarm Clock

Now I will say that when it comes to the endurance athlete, sometimes less is more here.  Meaning that if you’ve gone out and done a 120 mile long ride followed the next day by a 20 mile long run, it’s quite likely that the end-state goal shouldn’t actually be to hit 10,000 steps for the next day.  Instead, recovery is likely a better approach.  In that respect, Garmin doesn’t quite seem to have the same cohesive picture of activity total (including steps) vs recovery that the Ambit3 has.  I’m not sure if it’s a significant loss as the FR920XT still has recovery time inclusive of those activities you do in sport modes.

Wireless Connectivity (Bluetooth/WiFi), Smartphone Notifications, Live Tracking:

Garmin FR920XT - Pair Mobile Phone

The FR920XT adds in all of the wireless capabilities found on the FR620 that was released roughly a year ago.  That means it starts by adding in Bluetooth Smart phone connectivity.  This connection to Android and iOS phone allows for the following functions:

– Live Tracking
– Completed workout uploads
– Transfer of Step/Sleep data
– Ability to transfer scheduled workouts
– Firmware updates
– Course transfers
– Satellite pre-population data
– Smartphone notifications

Smartphone notifications enables your iOS or Android device to send notifications to the unit from apps or services.  For example, incoming calls or text messages, or an update from Twitter or other critical apps like Words with Friends.

Garmin FR920XT - Smart Notifications

Live Tracking enables you to send your current location as well as ANT+ data (like heart rate, power, cadence) via your phone to friends and family tracking you.  They’ll see where you went and where you are.  This feature works exactly like the FR620 (rather than the Fenix2) in that it does allow concurrent ANT+ data transmission and recording a swell as location transmission via Bluetooth Smart.  Note that some races prohibit the use of cell phones, so you’ll want to double-check that before you get DQ’d.

In addition, some connected features are also available via WiFi.  For example completed workouts can be uploaded via WiFi, as well as download of firmware updates and satellite pre-population data.

Satellite pre-population data (officially known as EPO, Satellite Ephemeris), allows the unit to predict satellite locations and thus allows for super-quick satellite reception, typically within 10 seconds or less.  So yes, just like in EPO doping, the EPO for these devices makes it faster too.

In using units in three different global locations, I found that all three picked up satellites within 10 seconds, and in one case the unit hadn’t been turned on in that country previously.  The EPO data can be downloaded for 7 days in advance.

(Update: Apparently not, this page seen below was only on one beta unit I happened to grab photos for.) This information can be quickly checked via a handy little page in the settings menu, showing you the current age of the EPO data, and when it expires.  Sorta like the date stamp on a gallon of milk:

Garmin FR920XT - EPO Drugging

Anytime you connect the device to your phone, WiFi network, or computer (with Garmin Express installed) it’ll automatically pull updated EPO information.

Running Dynamics, VO2Max, Recovery Advisor, Race Predictor:

Garmin FR920XT - Running VO2Max

The FR920 adds in many of the same functions found initially in the FR620 and then in the Fenix2/Fenix2SE.  For example, it now supports Running Dynamics, which is the collection of running metrics that include Vertical Oscillation and Ground Contact Time.  These metrics come via the HRM-RUN heart rate strap.  The strap also provides cadence, however, the unit itself will do wrist based cadence without any heart rate strap.  And further yet, if you have a footpod you can get cadence there too.

Garmin FR920XT - Cycling VO2Max

In addition to Running Dynamics, the unit supports VO2Max estimation on not only running, but also cycling.  This is the first Garmin unit to support VO2Max estimations on cycling.  To get such estimation, you’ll simply do your normal rides.  Ones with slightly more intensity will help give more accurate results however.

Garmin FR920XT - VO2Max Menu

Next, there’s Race Predictor.  This takes the estimated VO2Max values and then corresponds it with data for your particular gender and age from the Cooper Institute to determine the theoretical best case time for a given distance.  Note that this doesn’t mean you’ve trained enough to do so, but rather just that your VO2Max would allow you to do so.

Additionally, for astute readers, you’ll note that these figures below are a bit low for me.  This was just on a watch I happened to borrow, so the numbers were for someone else.

Garmin FR920XT - Race Predictor

Finally, there’s Recovery Advisor and Recovery Time.  These aim to give you information about how quickly you’re recovering.  Recovery Advisor will display about 6-10 minutes into an activity and let you know how recovered you are from your previous workout.  I’m interested to see if this has improved over the FR620, which I found is ‘too nice’, and rarely tells you that your recovery is ‘Poor’ (ok, never tells you that).  Note that Recovery Advisor will not use step activity from the activity monitor, but only heart rate based activity data.  This is because it’s looking at heart rate variability to determine its results.

Garmin FR920XT - Recovery Advisor

Meanwhile, Recovery Time is a post-workout thing that tells you how much time it’ll take to recover from that workout.

Garmin FR920XT - Recovery Time

For multisport athletes the recovery time should best be judged more along the lines of ‘how much time until the next really hard workout’, rather than just any workout.

Training Calendar, Racing an Activity (Virtual Racer):

Garmin FR920XT - Training Calendar

The FR920XT carries into it the Training Calendar, which allows you to download training plans and scheduled workouts from Garmin Connect into your watch.  These workouts are sync’d each time you sync your watch, and then can be executed on the watch itself.  They are always structured workouts with specific steps.  On Garmin’s site it offers specific training plans for different running, cycling, and triathlon events.  These training plans comprise specific workouts for certain days of the week that will then appear on your watch to complete on that given day.

Garmin FR920XT - Virtual Racer

Next, is ‘Race an Activity’, better known as ‘Virtual Racer’.  This feature took a bit of a break within the FR620, so it’s good to see it’s not been cut from the FR920XT.  In the case of the FR920Xt, it’s been expanded a little bit however and split into two specific sections.

Garmin FR920XT - Race History

First is the ability to race your past efforts that happen to be on the watch.  For example, if you run the same route each week you could race last week’s effort.  It’ll then show where you are in relation to that time last week during your run.

Secondly, you can now easily send other activities (not yours) to the watch.  For example, you could send a Pro Athlete’s training or racing file to your Garmin (assuming they’ve set that activity file as public), and then race against that.  The same could be done from family or friends for given routes/races.  For example, I could go run a 39 minute 10K on a specific course with specific speed sections, then give it to The Girl to go execute and follow the same pacing.

Indoor Treadmill Mode, Metronome:

Garmin FR920XT - Metronome

The FR920XT follows the FR620 and adds an indoor treadmill mode that doesn’t require a footpod to be utilized to gather pace and distance.  This means you can get both metrics indoors (or in places with no GPS signal like tunnels) without paying extra for a footpod.

Of course, the accuracy of such technology for pace tends to be a little…variable.  I haven’t had a chance to test the FR920XT’s treadmill accuracy, but in recent tests on both the Fenix2 and FR620 (which uses the same technology), I’d give the accuracy a ‘B+’ grade.  Sometimes it’s better, sometimes it’s worse.  It’s rarely (never) perfect for me, but each person has different running styles.  It’ll be something I’ll be testing in more detail in my in-depth review.  For cadence data (also gathered from the wrist by default), I find it virtually spot on.

Next, Garmin has added one feature completely out of left field – which is the metronome.  This functionality allows you to set a specific beat, typically a run cadence, which can be used for anything from running drills to trying to maintain a specific stride rate.

Garmin FR920XT - Metronome Settings

Within the feature you can set the specific cadence and it’ll beep just like a traditional metronome would.  You would then align your footsteps to that.  You can also set an Alert Frequency, which will allow you to reduce how often the beat happens, such as every 2,3,4, or 6 beats.  Further, you can at any time hold down the menu button and select ‘Mute’ to tell the metronome to STFU.

Garmin FR920XT - Alert Frequency

Generally speaking there’s a strong link between running cadence and running efficiency.  This is interesting because this falls inline as a component that could be used to actually improve the Running Dynamics metrics you get.  I’ve often lamented that Running Dynamics metrics were more about marketing fluff than actual beneficial things that were/are scientifically proven based on a training methodology.  With the metronome you could leverage that for various drills and/or focus on running turnover.

Swimming Features:

SwimMode

There’s been a few minor swim enhancements.  First is that the unit now adds the Swim Drill mode that was found in the Garmin Swim watch (and on the Fenix2 watch).  This mode allows you log drills that might not be easily recognized by the watch, and then simply lets you enter a total distance for those drills.

The second item is a more clear interval/rest timer for swimming.  This makes it a bit easier to see how long the previous interval was and then what your current rest time is.  This is useful so you can setup a timer for how long your rest should be and then keep each set consistent.

SwimInterval

Note that it doesn’t add full pre-defined structured workout support for swimming however like in running or cycling.

Sensor support, VIRB Action Cam Control, Activity Profiles:

Garmin FR920XT - VIRB Control

The FR920XT largely keeps the status quo when it comes to sensor support, which means it natively supports the following ANT+ sensor types previously found on units:

– ANT+ Heart Rate sensor
– ANT+ Bike Speed Sensor
– ANT+ Bike Cadence Sensor
– ANT+ Bike Speed & Cadence Combo Sensor
– ANT+ Bike Power Meters
– ANT+ Running Footpods

In addition, it also adds support for this new type of ANT device:

– Garmin VIRB action cam control

With that, the unit can now control your Garmin VIRB action cam, such as starting/stopping recordings as well as taking photos from it.

It does not at this time support either the Edge Remote, or Shimano Di2 data recording like the Garmin Edge 1000 does.  Nor does it support the ANT+ weight scale (a loss from the FR910XT) or the rarely seen Fitness Equipment (ANT+ enabled gym treadmills/bikes/rowers).

Garmin FR920XT - Add Sensors

Note that the unit officially supports the above ANT+ sensors, as I discuss in the section at the end around Garmin Connect IQ, it can now effectively support any ANT devices out there via custom apps and data fields.  Thus, devices like BSX, Moxy and even the ANT+ weight scale could be added by 3rd party developers with relative ease.  I would expect to see that occur pretty quickly by some 3rd party developer.

Also note that the FR920XT does not support Bluetooth Smart sensors, thus while there is Bluetooth Smart within the unit, it’s used for connecting to the phone and not for sensors.  In discussing this with them, Garmin has “no plans” to enable Bluetooth Smart sensor support on the FR920XT.

Next, the FR920XT adopts the Activity Profile concept found on the Edge 510/810 and then in the Edge 1000.  In the case of the FR920XT, it aligns more to the Edge 1000 variant as it includes the sensor pool concept.  This means that instead of having to manage sensors separately for each bike, you simply pair all your sensors.  Then, you define specific activity and multisport profiles.  You can have up to 10 single-sport profiles, and 5 multisport profiles.

Garmin FR920XT - Activity Profiles

The unit will automatically use whatever ANT+ sensors are enabled when you start that profile, just like the Edge 1000.  This actually works out fairly well and allows you to easily create a different set of data pages for training than for racing.  Or perhaps yet another set different for a running race (single-sport) than a triathlon (multisport)

Garmin FR920XT - Navigation Menu

The FR920XT brings with it the navigation features found on the FR910XT (but not found on the FR620), while also adding in an UltraTrac mode found on the Fenix series, and then finally adding in support for GLONASS for increased GPS accuracy in some environments (note: WAAS is not included).

The navigation component has two core areas.  The first is to follow downloaded courses (routes) that you created ahead of time on Garmin Connect and then synchronized to the watch.

Garmin FR920XT - Courses Menu

The second is more ad-hoc navigation.  In this scenario you can navigate back to the start, while also saving waypoints along the way.  So you could save a waypoint for the start of a trailhead (or where you parked your car), and then navigate back to it (or forward to it).

Garmin FR920XT - Current Location Menu

Garmin FR920XT - Back to start

In this mode it’ll show you exactly how far you are away from the waypoint.  It was here that I was fairly impressed with the satellite accuracy shown on the device.  As I stayed put to where the marker was, the accuracy of the unit stayed within 1-3ft (not meters, but feet).  Then as I walked away it increased, and walked back to the same spot it went back to those 1-3ft.  Garmin notes that they made changes to the antenna placement and positioning on the unit that should offer increased satellite performance.

All of this navigation also utilizes the units onboard magnetic compass.

Garmin FR920XT - 3ft Rule

As noted, the unit also supports GLONASS, similar to some of the newer Edge devices like the Edge 1000.

Garmin FR920XT - GLONASS

Next, the unit adds in an UltraTrac mode.  In this mode you can reduce the GPS recording rate down to a less frequent rate, but enables you to get upwards of 40 hours of GPS-on/recording battery time.  Outside of that, it’s now 24 hours of 1-second recording GPS data (a bump up from the previous 18-20 hours).

Garmin FR920XT - UltraTrac

When in the UltraTrac mode you will see reduced data points however, so you’ll want to use this only in cases where your single activity is going to be more than about 24 hours. Otherwise, you’ll lose a lot of data/accuracy due to the reduced recording rate of approximately 15-20 seconds on, and 40-45 seconds off, per minute.  The approach is slightly different than the past, because it’s more dynamic than previous units which simply jumped up and grabbed a data point every 60 seconds and went to sleep.

Further, unlike like previous units the FR920XT will record ANT+ sensor data at the same 1-second or smart recording rate in UltraTrac mode.  The UltraTrac only impacts GPS updates.  This is potentially huge for ultra runners that want to maintain that additional sensor data, but don’t mind as much on the GPS track being less accurate.

Garmin Connect IQ Apps Support:

Garmin FR920XT - Connect IQ

Last week Garmin announced Connect IQ, which allows 3rd party developers to develop apps for supported Garmin devices.  At the time of the announcement though, no such devices had been announced – making the announcement slightly…intriguing.  The FR920XT however will be the first device to support Connect IQ apps.  The unit will support all four modes of apps.  These modes are:

Apps: Full blown multi-level/interactive apps
Custom Data Fields: The ability to create custom data fields that you can add to any data page
Widgets: The ability to create basic screens that pull data from other sources
Watch Faces: The ability to create customized watch faces, from a picture of your bike to something more data oriented.

The real power for the FR920XT will be the ability to support sensor types that aren’t traditionally supported by Garmin.  For example, I’d expect that someone like BSX would look at adding in support for their sensor via a simple app.  The same could be true of anything from hydration sensors to aerohelmet position sensors.

I won’t re-hash all the Connect IQ functionality/components here, for that simply read last week’s post for all the details.  Note that the Connect IQ app store doesn’t launch until January, so you won’t see that functionality quite yet on the FR920XT.  However, developers can already download the SDK and there will be an updated emulator that’s clearly marked as the FR920XT soon (though, the default rectangle one is actually the FR920XT already…).

Garmin Connect Changes:

Garmin Connect Multisport Mode

In addition to a slew of hardware changes, Garmin is also rolling out changes to Garmin Connect, one of which is specifically aimed at the triathlon crowd.  That change is the addition of a new Multisport display mode for triathlon data on Garmin Connect.  Currently (or, I suppose previously), the triathlon watches would split up each segment of your race/training day into separate activities.  So one file for swim, one for bike, one for run, etc…

This made it somewhat complex to see the triathlon as a single cohesive event.  Now, that’s changed.  For Garmin FR920XT, FR910XT, FR310XT, and Fenix2 and Fenix2 Special Edition users, the new activity view allows you to see your triathlon as a single activity:

Garmin Connect Multisport Mode

You can still view each individual leg if you’d like to, but this gives a cleaner picture of things.  My understanding is this change should go live sometime today on the site.

In addition to this, Garmin has tweaked a few other areas.  First is a new activity detail page.  The new page cleans up the view a bit and includes a larger map and then consolidates the player feature that was on the second tab, as well as now shows cumulative lap times.  I haven’t spent time with this new view, so it’s unclear to me yet if other things were ‘lost’ as part of it, for that we’ll have to dive into it later today.

Garmin Connect Single Sport Mode

Next, there’s now the ability to group different activity trackers together to determine which data you want from which devices.  For example, you could have step data from the Vivofit, whereas have running data from the FR15.

Finally, there’s a new Group Leaderboard that ties into mileage and step goals.

Garmin Connect Group Love

This is primarily aimed at being more social with your daily activity amongst friends on Garmin Connect.

Product Comparison Charts:

I’ve added the Garmin FR920XT to the Product Comparison Tool, which means you can mix and match it against any other watch’s/unit’s that I’ve ever reviewed for feature comparisons.

For the sake of simplicity, I’ve just selected the Garmin FR920XT, FR910XT and Fenix2.  However, you can easily make your own chart with any device you want here at this link.

Function/FeatureGarmin Forerunner 920XTGarmin Forerunner 910XTGarmin Fenix2/Fenix2 SE
Copyright DC Rainmaker - Updated May 11th, 2016 @ 12:47 pmNew Window
Price$449$399$399
Product Announcement DateOct 1st, 2014OCT 4, 2011Feb 20, 2014
Actual Availability/Shipping DateEarly Oct 2014JAN-APR 2012March 2014
GPS Recording FunctionalityYesYesYes
Data TransferUSB/Bluetooth Smart/WiFiANT+ WirelessUSB/Bluetooth Smart
WaterproofingYes - 50mYes - 50mYes - 50m
Battery Life (GPS)UP TO 40HRS IN GPS20 Hours50 Hours
Recording Interval1s or Smart1s or Smart1S to Variable
Satellite Pre-Loading via ComputerYesNoYes
Quick Satellite ReceptionGreatGreatGreat
AlertsVibrate/Sound/VisualVibrate/Sound/VisualVibrate/Sound/Visual
Backlight GreatnessGreatGreatGreat
Ability to download custom apps to unit/deviceYesNoNo
Acts as daily activity monitor (steps, etc...)YesNoNo
Can control phone musicNo
Has music storage and playbackNo
ConnectivityGarmin Forerunner 920XTGarmin Forerunner 910XTGarmin Fenix2/Fenix2 SE
Bluetooth Legacy (pre-4.0) to PhoneNoNoNo
Bluetooth Smart (4.0+) to Phone UploadingYesVia Wahoo Fitness AdapterYes
Phone Notifications to unit (i.e. texts/calls/etc...)YesNoYes
Live Tracking (streaming location to website)YesNoYes
Emergency/SOS Message Notification (from watch to contacts)NoNoNo
Built-in cellular chip (no phone required)NoNoNo
CyclingGarmin Forerunner 920XTGarmin Forerunner 910XTGarmin Fenix2/Fenix2 SE
Designed for cyclingYesYesYes
Power Meter CapableYesYesYes
Power Meter Configuration/Calibration OptionsYesYesYes
Power Meter TSS/NP/IFYesYesYes
Speed/Cadence Sensor CapableYesYesYes
Strava segments live on deviceNo
RunningGarmin Forerunner 920XTGarmin Forerunner 910XTGarmin Fenix2/Fenix2 SE
Designed for runningYesYesYes
Footpod Capable (For treadmills)YesYesYes
Running Dynamics (vertical oscillation, ground contact time, etc...)With HRM-TRI or HRM-RUNNoYes
VO2Max EstimationYesNoYes
Race PredictorYesNoYes
Recovery AdvisorYesNoYes
Run/Walk ModeYesYesYes (Added June 13th, 2014)
SwimmingGarmin Forerunner 920XTGarmin Forerunner 910XTGarmin Fenix2/Fenix2 SE
Designed for swimmingYesYesYes
Openwater swimming modeYesYesYes
Lap/Indoor Distance TrackingYesYesYes
Record HR underwaterWith HRM-TRI/HRM-SWIMNoNo
Openwater Metrics (Stroke/etc.)YesYesYes
Indoor Metrics (Stroke/etc.)YesYesYes
Indoor Drill ModeYesNoYes
Indoor auto-pause featureNoNoNo
Change pool sizeYesYesYes
Indoor Min/Max Pool Lengths17M/18Y TO 150Y/M20m/22y to 100y/m18m/20y to 150y/m
Ability to customize data fieldsYesYesYes
Can change yards to metersYesYesYes
Captures per length data - indoorsYesYesYes
Indoor AlertsYesYesYes
TriathlonGarmin Forerunner 920XTGarmin Forerunner 910XTGarmin Fenix2/Fenix2 SE
Designed for triathlonYesYesYes
Multisport modeYesYesYes
WorkoutsGarmin Forerunner 920XTGarmin Forerunner 910XTGarmin Fenix2/Fenix2 SE
Create/Follow custom workoutsYesYesYes
On-unit interval FeatureYesYesYes
Training Calendar FunctionalityYesYesYes (Added June 13th, 2014)
FunctionsGarmin Forerunner 920XTGarmin Forerunner 910XTGarmin Fenix2/Fenix2 SE
Auto Start/StopYesYesYes
Virtual Partner FeatureYesYesYes
Virtual Racer FeatureYesYesNo
Records PR's - Personal Records (diff than history)YesNoNo
Day to day watch abilityYesNoYes
Hunting/Fishing/Ocean DataNoNoYes
Tidal Tables (Tide Information)NoNoNo
Jumpmaster mode (Parachuting)NoNoYes
GeocachingNoNoYes
Weather Display (live data)YesNoNo
NavigateGarmin Forerunner 920XTGarmin Forerunner 910XTGarmin Fenix2/Fenix2 SE
Follow GPS Track (Courses/Waypoints)YesYesYes
Markers/Waypoint DirectionYesNoYes
Routable/Visual Maps (like car GPS)NoNoNo
Back to startYesYesYes
Impromptu Round Trip Route CreationNoNoNo
Download courses/routes from phone to unitYesNoYes
SensorsGarmin Forerunner 920XTGarmin Forerunner 910XTGarmin Fenix2/Fenix2 SE
Altimeter TypeBarometricBarometricBarometric
Compass TypeMagneticGPSMagnetic
Optical Heart Rate Sensor internallyNo
Heart Rate Strap CompatibleYesYesYes
ANT+ Heart Rate Strap CapableYesYesYes
ANT+ Speed/Cadence CapableYesYesYes
ANT+ Footpod CapableYesYesYes
ANT+ Power Meter CapableYesYesYes
ANT+ Weight Scale CapableNoYesNo
ANT+ Fitness Equipment (Gym)NoYesNo
ANT+ Lighting ControlNo
ANT+ Bike Radar IntegrationNo
ANT+ Trainer Control (FE-C)No
ANT+ Remote ControlNo (can control VIRB though)NoNo (can control VIRB though)
ANT+ eBike CompatibilityNoNoNo
ANT+ Muscle Oxygen (i.e. Moxy/BSX)No
ANT+ Gear Shifting (i.e. SRAM ETAP)No
Shimano Di2 ShiftingYesNoNo
Bluetooth Smart HR Strap CapableNoNoNo
Bluetooth Smart Speed/Cadence CapableNoNoNo
Bluetooth Smart Footpod CapableNoNoNo
Bluetooth Smart Power Meter CapableNoNoNo
Temp Recording (internal sensor)NoNoYes
Temp Recording (external sensor)NoNoYes
Compatible with Firstbeat HR toolsYesYesNo
SoftwareGarmin Forerunner 920XTGarmin Forerunner 910XTGarmin Fenix2/Fenix2 SE
PC ApplicationGarmin ExpressGTC/ANT AgentGarmin Express
Web ApplicationGarmin ConnectGarmin ConnectGarmin Connect
Phone AppiOS/Android/Windows PhoneiOS/AndroidiOS/Android
Ability to Export SettingsNoNoNo
PurchaseGarmin Forerunner 920XTGarmin Forerunner 910XTGarmin Fenix2/Fenix2 SE
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DCRainmakerGarmin Forerunner 920XTGarmin Forerunner 910XTGarmin Fenix2/Fenix2 SE
Review LinkLinkLinkLink

The tables are updated dynamically and thus if/when things change that’s represented automatically in this section.  And again, remember you can create your own charts easily here with any product you’d like.

Wrap-up:

Garmin FR920XT - Finally the end of this post

There’s no doubt considerable new features in the FR920XT.  I suspect it hits almost every feature people have been asking for, short of heart rate recording while swimming and Bluetooth Smart sensor support.  Even more exciting in my mind is it will be the first device to support Connect IQ apps, which opens the door to tons of creativity for apps that people are already thinking about – but also apps people haven’t even considered.  For example I suspect we’ll soon see people writing custom alerts and apps for remembering to take your hydration and nutrition during a race as well as even queue sheets for sections of a race on guidance.  So much incredible potential there.

Of course, the proof will be in the pudding when it comes to validating there aren’t teething pains with the new device – be it stability issues or GPS accuracy issues.  For that, I’ll need the remainder of the month with a production unit and production firmware.  I can only hope that Garmin used the extra time they spent moving the previously planned release dates out from various earlier planned dates that the unit got extra testing and bug squashing.  It hopefully helps that Garmin enlisted a group of athletes outside the company to beta test the device since this past spring.

As for availability, a semi-small number of units will be available at Ironman Kona (next week).  Beyond that there are extremely limited numbers of units available globally for the next few weeks before production is significantly ramped up.  Thus, expect that it might not be until at least mid or late November that Garmin is able to get through a backlog (or even longer).  The whole early bird and worm thing is definitely at play here (just like it was for the FR620 running watch last year).

Next, the unit does see a slight bump in price to $449US for the base, and $499 for the version with the HR strap.  I suppose this might be to match both Suunto and Polar triathlon watches which have higher prices (yet those units arguably have far less features).

Finally, as noted a moment ago, I plan to spend October putting the final unit through it’s paces.  I’ve got a very accommodating work travel schedule that takes me to the perfect places that I need so I can easily get in the openwater swims, bricks and other triathlon focused activities that I need to beat the crap out of the device.  Thus, expect a full Garmin FR920XT In-Depth Review the first week of November, just in time for me to decide whether or not the unit makes the cut for my 2014 Fall/Winter Sport Device Recommendations.

With that – thanks for reading!  Feel free to drop questions below, and as usual I’ll try my best to post answers.

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  1. Toni

    Vibrating alerts?

    • Yes, it continues that from the FR910XT.

    • Derek Paton

      Yipee!

    • Josh

      Does it do vibrating alerts for the “get up and move” alerts throughout the day?

    • sergio

      I don’t know for sure, but I’m sure somebody will develop an app for it soon enough

    • Deepanshu

      Ray,

      Do you think support for activities like hiking, skiing can be added via Connect IQ?

      I was going through information on Connect IQ SDK, and it seems like developers can access/change data fields, record FIT files, read from all sensors etc. Based on that, I think it should be possible to create new activities.

    • Chris

      I could be wrong – but I am sure when i read your post 2 months ago you said Garmin had no plans to replace the 910xt or update it?

    • Deepanshu: You can add it directly in the watch, no need for Connet IQ.

      Chris: No, definitely never said that. In fact, if you look at my Summer 2014 Sports Recommendations I was pretty clear that it would be a poor time to buy a watch and that I expected a FR910XT successor to be available/shipping after the triathlon season but before the end of the year.

    • David

      Can I make an activity that is track running that ignores the altimeter, and displays everything in metric?

      Ok, I guess those are two different questions. But I have wanted different “sports” on my 910XT to display different Metric/Statute units. Is that possible on the 920XT?
      I figure ignoring that altimeter is a long shot.

    • Tim Grose

      Units are system wide so no but it’s very easy to change distance to miles or kilometers as desired and back again.

      Why do you need to “ignore” elevation on the track? The barometric altimeter ought to keep it fairly “flat” anyway.

    • David

      So that sounds about the same as the 910XT.

      I find that the altimeter, although good, does not give a “flat” track. The biggest issue is that it appears that “every so often” the altimeter get recalibrated from the GPS. So I usually have 1-2 “jumps” in elevation during any given track workout (about 1 hour). I also sometimes end up running downhill during the entire track workout as a weather front comes in. The only real side effect is that it gives my an invalid NGP in training peaks, which then gives me an incorrect IF and rTSS and PMC.

    • Lisa franco

      Looking forward to your in depth review of the aforementioned.

    • Linus Franklin

      Does anyone know if the the 920XT will sync data with the Schwinn spin bike M-Power computer? I currently use a Forerunner 610 for this feature but was wondering if I would lose this feature if I upgraded.

  2. Z74

    Ray careful with the baro-altimeter.
    Stress it hard with TRI and indoor cycling… the 910XT had a serious HW fault there.

    Can’t wait to see the final review.

    • WKP

      Amen – mine thinks I’m cycling in space…

    • Ricardo

      #3 Same question. It’s the same barommetric altimeter tan in the 910XT?

    • wouter

      true. I have had 2 units replaced, now on a third one, with the 2year warranty period run out.

    • Arnaud

      Same for me. I am on my third 910XT. Garmin was very gracious about replacing them but my barometer failed gain. So I hope they have changed this part.

    • I am also on my 3rd 910XT – again they were very gracious about replacing them but my barometer has failed AGAIN and frankly have resigned myself to running up mountains despite living in the Vale of York – frustrating as I think it also messes up the wattage calculations so hope they have fixed that in the new watch does anyone now if they have or not??
      I am reluctant to buy on unless they have – PLEASE HELP us Rainmaker – you are our only hope !!

    • Spargo

      I am also on my 3rd 910XT. First cost $146 to replace and second cost $106 to replace because of barometer problems, becoming an expensive unit to own.

  3. Seth

    Are BLE HRM sensors able to be made functional with Harmon devices via Connect IQ?

    • No, Garmin hasn’t made the BLE stack available from a sensor standpoint (just communication to the phone). The ANT stack is fully available to both defined sensor types (ANT+ power meter) and undefined sensor types (i.e. aero helmet).

  4. Dave

    Any word on the 930XT?

    (kidding)

    • Scott Buchanan

      Or a prize to the first person that takes there iPhone swimming for the live tracking or notifications. 😉

    • Jon Pedersen

      I swim with this SaferSwimmer ( link to saferswimmer.com )
      I usually bring the phone with me on swimming.

    • Bartokian

      not even remotely impossible, just use an otterbox or other case (lifeproof has my preference). Been there – done that, just not with an 920XT 😉

    • Scott Buchanan

      I was being somewhat tongue in cheek with that comment but out of interest where would you keep the phone while swimming so as not to impeed your performance also is it possible to interact with it while its in the housing?

    • It does maintain a Bluetooth Smart connect with your watch, even in tri mode, through all sports. It was connected to my phone on the dock till the moment it went underwater, at which point it told me it was no longer connected.

      Next time, for curiosity, I’ll stick a phone in my Safer Swimmer and see what happens from a live tracking standpoint.

    • Bartokian

      Sure, the front panel of the lifeproof is touch-capable and works even in the water. You hardly notice its there when interacting with the phone. I have the armband of the lifeproof case as well, and high up on the upper arm is where I find it gives me the least problems while swimming. It’s quite a sturdy locking mechanism, needed as in the pool it takes quite a pounding in and out of the water all the time.
      Unless you manage to stuff your phone in your swimcap, you will always notice it on your performance (and balance – it changes your drag profile just enough to pull you slightly off course over the length of a lane). However, long laps are so much nicer with a decent bit of music in my ear…

  5. Toni

    The metronome is a great idea. Vibrating metronome for swimming especially would be interesting training aid…

  6. Martin M. Syvertsen

    Awesome, sort of dissapointed with the “no Bluetooth sensors” approach, but as long as I don’t have to upload long workouts over Ant+ I guess I’m happy enough.

    Awesome preview and news post as always!

    Now to wait pait (patiently) for the full review :)

    • AJ

      The ant+ upload was the biggest pain. My ant+ sticks always died on me and that was the biggest pain because there is literally no way to get your data off the 910 with anything else.

    • David Lusty

      “dissapointed with the “no Bluetooth sensors” approach”

      Why, were you that desperate to replace all your sensors with identical ones using a different protocol? I’m not aware of anything BTLE sensors can do that Ant+ can’t other than connecting to a phone, but then if you want to connect with a phone don’t buy a watch! BTLE also currently limits you to a single device while Ant+ allows multiple devices to connect to each sensor.

    • John Resendes

      Waahoo App through your smartphone will allow Garmin Watch downloads, is a bit of a long way work around but it worked while I ordered in my sunnto Movestick ( see rays review about that,much better than the Gar unit)

    • Cornel

      There’s only one reason Garmin doesn’t allow BLTE sensor connection to their devices. They own the ANT+ protocol. They bought the company that created ANT+ . Allowing BLTE to connect to their devices would drive a dagger into the heart of the ANT+ sensor market. Garmin would be losing big on their investment. Nothing wrong with a company doing that. Apple’s been doing that with the iPhone since its inception back in 2007 making it hard for people to leave the ecosystem they’ve invested so much in even though there are superior products out there.

    • Ryan

      No need to sound rude. Maybe some people already invested in BLE things to use with their phone, TomTom or other capable device.

      Maybe some want to use their phone at times and their watch at others.

      Are you the device policy, telling us how and what we should use? Kinda dumb, no?

  7. Hannu

    Must have!

  8. sburstall

    Wow, it does almost everything. Will it train for me also?? LOL

  9. Daniel

    Bought!

    Ehmm .okay I will wait for the indepth-review first 😛

    Thanks Ray for the short but still quite depth preview of the 920.

  10. Muckyb

    In navigation mode, can it still display the course you want to follow (basically what the 910 does)? Is the navigation mode better than on the 910?

    • VVK

      Ray, please compare navigation bs. Fenix 2. What else is missing (if anything) apart from the maps that can be uploaded to Fenix 2?

    • morey000

      I presume it will give you a nice breadcrumb trail to follow? Will it do a trackback? (not just “point” back).

    • Yes, the FR920XT will give you a breadcrumb trail to follow, as well as show you where you are and have been.

      For navigating back to start, it appears to be direct to start (crow flies), not via the exact route…but I need to validate a few more things there.

    • Muckyb

      Thanks for your reply!

  11. Kristoffer Bernhem

    Bokvagen 3

  12. urs

    If I would buy today a watch (Ambit 3 or FR920XT) I would probably go for the FR920XT. But changing from Suunto (Ambit 2 owner) to Garmin isn’t that simple with all the recorded workouts :-(

    • Tom

      One way of doing it is to move everything to Strava (there are batch exports for this). That way you’re platform independent if you ever change your mind in the future :)

    • Eli

      Then if you ever want to move off strava……

    • tom

      Then you would obviously have to do a batch export again. My point is simply that using a more platform independant service like Strava has it’s advantages if you are likely to jump between different brands.
      I don’t care if half my activities are on garmin connect and the other half is on movescount – I see them all in Strava. The day I ever buy a TomTom (who knows?) I’ll still see it all on Strava.
      Not saying that Strava is the best, I have little knowledge of other sites not tied to a specific brand, but I’m sure there are many others.

    • Stefan

      Strava allows batch download of ALL your activities in a single, convenient *.zip archive.

    • Cornel

      Strava seems to be the go to platform along with training peaks. I really like training peaks even in the free version. Both can be populated automatically from Garmin connect. Not sure how polar flow does it, but Garmin connect is painless. Download your workout and if you have Strava and training peaks account, just log in and all your Garmin connect workouts will be there. Nifty. Don’t own a polar GPS watch, but I’d like to try polar flow and suunto’s movescount to see how they play with others.

    • Don’t own a polar GPS watch, but I’d like to try polar flow and suunto’s movescount to see how they play with others.

      * Movescount has a data API partners can integrate with, but no notification service when a user uploads a workout. So partner sites need to continually check, which means delay. Garmin Connect is “instantaneous”. Nice! :) I’ve mentioned this to the Suunto development team… it is a “frequently asked feature” included in the “development backlog” but they cannot give an “exact schedule when this would be available”.
      * Polar Flow does NOT have an API at this moment. They’ve promised it a year or so ago. The 650 has been delayed twice, so… reach your own conclusions. I’ve not heard an update. @Ray have you?

  13. Josh

    Looking forward to seeing this in Kona! (As a spectator :). )

  14. Irix

    Instant classic.

  15. Kristoffer Bernhem

    Is there a option for quick mount (as for 910XT)?

    • Yes, there’s a quick release mount. They didn’t have one on-hand at the time, but I’ll update it with photos when I get one – I believe I should have one on Friday.

    • Kevin Sabol

      Will the 910xt’s quick disco mount fit? pretty lame if they force me to buy new mounts when I’ve already got one for my 910.
      Also – can I use my soft strap hrm that came with 910 with the 920xt or do I need to get the ‘bundle’ for an extra $50 (hrm-‘RUN’ strap… )?

    • It’s a new mount. The reason (as I understand it), is to align to the same straps as the FR220/FR620. Further, I suspect they’re learning from the 920XT strap. We’ll see when I get the strap myself (the one piece I didn’t have access to).

    • Leandro

      If I were to sell my 910 and buy a 920 should I sell the Tri Bundle as a whole (quick release bike mount and cadence sensor)? Will the cadence sensor work in the 920? Is the Heart Rate Monitor different? If it is the same I will keep it.

    • Greg

      @Leandro,

      Speed/Cadence sensors will work with the 920. The QR mount will be different. The HR sensor would work with the 920 but you will not get the new metrics (oscillation, ground contact, cadence) from it. For that you’d have to get the HRM-RUN sensor that comes bundled with the 620 and the 920.

    • Leandro

      Thank you @Greg! That was very helpful. Cheers!

  16. Susan

    I really didn’t want to want this. Going into third place in my to buy list, pending your full review. Also, can you please get a picture of this on the girl’s wrist? Thanks

  17. Dom

    Does GLONASS have an impact on battery life, Ray?

  18. Andy

    Great first review like always!

    One question regarding the metronome function:

    Is it possible to set a specific time alert p.e. getting a short alert or vibration every 45sec as with the 910XT?
    AND (!) resetting this alert by pressing the LAP-Button (or any other). Would be a great feature for lap swimming!

    I used the vibration alert during longer interval swims with the FR 910XT but it drived me crazy that there´s no
    possibility to reset the vibration/alert! So if you hit the wall in 40sec instead of 45sec you have to wait until the remaining
    5sec will expire followed by hitting the LAP- and START/STOP-Button for interval break immediatly.

    Thank´s a lot!

    • So in testing this, it does appear to reset the time alert, if you go into the rest state during swimming.

      But honestly, just using the swim interval timer seems like a far easier way here, since you can do exactly what you want without having to deal with the separate timer.

  19. No small ponies?!? This thing looks worthless!!

  20. Efraim Shaw

    Still not right!:)

  21. Toni

    One thing I don’t get; the Wifi in Garmin devices. If the HW has BT connectivity already, isn’t wifi a bit overkill? Makes the hw just more complex, expensive and battery consuming… just my two cents.

    Great preview, great spec, waiting for the final review.

    • It allows folks to walk into their house and have it automatically upload to sites like Strava. Versus getting out your phone and syncing it that way. Further, it also allows firmware updates over a more broadband friendly method than Bluetooth Smart. So that helps Garmin by ensuring devices stay up to date (it also helps the end user, but it’s actually more beneficial to a company).

    • Lennart

      Are you kidding? Im in the market now for a watch, I hate manually uploading or linking stuff. ANT+sticks always require starting up a computer, i dont even want to think about uploading. I forget some of the times as well. I love not even having the hassle to find your phone go to the settings turning on bluetooth, linking etc. is a huge benefit for me. Before this came out i considered buying a 620 instead of a multisport watch only for that reason. How lovely it is to just walk in the door and your coach is up to date!

    • Calle

      I linked my 620 to my phone once, after that it uploaded automatically everytime just as you describe. Never used wifi.

      Your phone is probably always connected to internet already, whereever you are. It’s pretty easy to connect to a new wifi network, when travelling etc. Connecting to wifi via the watch seemed quite difficult and, on the 620, with lots of hassle.
      And you need the phone anyway to use the live tracking.

      Wifi on the watch is just marketing hype, one more buzzword in the ads.

    • Dom

      Have to disagree respectfully with your conclusion, not least because not everybody owns smartphones and not all smartphones support BTLE and/or have a GCM Mobile app for their OS. One of the strengths of the 620 is that you have multiple ways to get the data off; BT when you’re out and about, WiFi when you walk in the door at home or you need to download new firmware, cable when you want to back up all your FIT files and the configuration files on the watch so you can put them back after a master reset. I agree the WiFi support was pretty patchy to begin with – mine would never talk to my dad’s router though it got on fine with mine – but it seems to be better now.

    • The wifi works great for me, after I finish my run I lay my Garmin 620 near my cell phone and by the time I get out of the shower all my data has been downloaded to connect.garmin. No more fiddling with my laptop to upload my data.

    • Scott

      I wasn’t a big fan of the 910xt with the ANT sync. I have a treadmill in my house and hated ANT agent uploading my workout when I wasn’t finished… If I had to stop the treadmill to take care of something for a second I would stop my watch and bam I am screwed with having to do a new workout all over again because it uploaded the damn thing. If it weren’t for my ability to create a script to launch ANT agent and shut it down within a few min after I would not be a happy camper. I will say that compared to how many issues I have heard about the Fenix 2, the 910xt has been a solid watch and hope this new 920xt hasn’t adapted the Fenix 2 glitchiness

    • fourbeer

      WiFi is much faster than BLE. If you have lots of workout data to transfer or they want to enable fast firmware upgrades from the mobile devices, wi-fi is a great solution.

      It is not just a marketing ploy as some insinuate.

  22. mucher

    No word on pricing yet? Ugh, I think the August Fenix2 promo was more to flush the Fenix stock anticipating 920XT rather than Ambit3.

    Also I wonder what GPS chipset is it going to use – if this is going to have same issues as Fenix2 and – to a lesser degree – FR 620 have

  23. Charlie

    any chance the phone notification features will come over to the 620? Really wish it had that!

    • Tyler R

      Ray (or someone else) has stated something prior mentioning that it is a serious longshot to see this in the 620. It sounded like a combination of lack or room on the chip and adding such a large feature midway through the products lifecycle. (I believe Fenix2 and 620 use entirely different chipsets).

  24. Nicolas

    great review as usual thanks. fr610 and 910xt are Tanita weight scale compatible. Is this one also or not? If not, is it something that Garmin is completely dropping?

    • Correct, as noted in the sensors section – there’s no support for weight scales natively on the FR920XT. Garmin has pretty much dropped it across the board on new units since about a year or so ago. I suppose the logic being how few of these are in the market.

      That said, with Connect IQ, it’ll really be quite trivial for someone to add support via an app (3rd party). I’d be blown away surprised if this isn’t one of the apps available at launch early next year. I could even see a member of the Garmin Connect IQ team releasing such an app more as an example.

    • yea I am disappointed that the scale is not supported… I use fitbit scale more often these days but the Tanita one has more information… and can you ever have too much data?

      Might be an easy add via the Connect IQ app as you indicated.

    • Andrew

      I use withings scale. Just use fitdatasync.com to push/pair withings data into garmin and because withings and fit it already talk you can integrate the three quite easily.
      It’s an annoying workaround but it works flawlessly

    • Chris C.

      Does this only allow to synchronise the wight from the scale or other data (% fat,…) as well?
      I have not been able to do this from the Withings page…

  25. Matt Stoner

    Huge disappointment on the Bluetooth Smart sensors support decision. I had been holding out on upgrading from my 310xt, but now I think I will look at non-garmin options.

  26. Jasper Sim

    Really, there are no ponies? Disappointing…

  27. I hope, that everyone will get the new activity detail page, not only 920xt users.

    920xt looks very promising. I hope there will be no GPS accuracy problems and ability to add waypoints through PC (using BaseCamp or something).

    • All users get the new activity detail page (regardless of device you’re on). All multisport users will get the new multisport page (FR920XT, FR910XT, FR310XT, Fenix2, Fenix2 Special Edition).

    • Adam

      The new activity page looks awesome and dare I say, long overdue. The charts on the old page were basically useless.

      Does the multisport page support activities other than triathlons (e.g. duathlons, brick sessions)? Also, is there any chance that the multisport mode will eventually become available to us non-multisport device owners? For example if I tracked a duathlon with my 620, could I then designate it as a multisport activity and define the transitions manually?

    • James E

      Will it retroactively consolidate past races?

    • Steve

      It doesnt seem so. I’m now seeing the new charts and layout on GC (which are sooooo much more useful now that they have a sensible scale), but my race from Sunday is still showing as 5 separate activities.

      Uploading all my races again would be a bit of a pain and I’m in two minds whether I bother.

    • Kirk

      What it also needs is a way to be able to go back and correct the data when you accidentally hit the lap button when you were getting something out of your pockets with 30km still to go in the bike leg and end up having a 45 min T2. Gah!!

    • Turn The Damn Cranks

      That’s not all Garmin multisport users, Ray — what about those of us that still have Big Red running strong?

    • I’d actually be curious if it works. My suspicion is no, since the FR305 doesn’t do .FIT files, which is how I suspect they’re parsing the data, versus a TCX file.

  28. Luke

    Too bad about no swimming HR, but I’ll live.
    Will be getting this!

  29. wojtek

    – No support for heart rate while swimming (though, there should actually be a workaround there with Connect IQ)

    How this could be done? I believe Ant+ is not capable to transmit under water as well as the garmin strap has no internal memory (as the one from Ambit 3)

    • …I was wondering who might pickup on that.

      You could do it with the Mio Link or Scosche on your wrist within 1-2″. See, both could be pipped in via an App that just connects on the open/available sensor page. I’ve tested both units (as have others) and it will generally get fairly accurate results underwater as long as you’re close enough to the band for the signal to transmit, which is generally 1-2″.

    • Mark

      If something like the Viiiiva or TICKR X did store and forward via ANT+ (ant-fs?) would it be possible for a Connect IQ extension to plug the resulting HR data back into a swim session?

    • The first part, ANT-fs, could definitely be done with Connect IQ. But I don’t know if the app could then write backwards back into the .FIT file. I suspect not, but perhaps someone that’s a dev with the Connect IQ SDK downloaded could poke a bit.

    • David Gunter

      I was wondering about this comment at the top of your piece as well. I currently use my MIO ANT+ on the same wrist as my Timex Ironman Global. It records HR data and displays it during my swim workouts. Are you saying this is not a possibility on the FR920XT?

    • Miro Lehky

      Would it also not be possible to use the TickrX, to record your HR while swimming. Then merge the HR GPX file into the Garmin recorded swim data using SportTracks client (sure you can also merge with other apps also).

    • Sure, you could always do it after the fact with 3rd party software like Sport Tracks. It just wouldn’t show up on Garmin Connect.

    • If i understand you well , i have Mio wrist band which i running with 910XT
      Is the Mio wrist band water proof?
      can you show how to use the Mio wrist band while swimming ?
      you have to wear it on the same hand?

    • Hank

      Ray, as far as I knew about FR910XT, it does not enable to add HRM when it is swimming mode. Please correct me if this is wrong. I am wondering if FR920XT enables to use HRM (like Mio Link or TICKR X) when it is swimming mode.

    • morey000

      Yes- the Mio Link is waterproof. You wear it on the same arm, within a couple inches of your watch. You may need to tighten it a bit more, but it works while swimming.

    • morey000

      Hank. Ray mentioned in the article above, that unfortunately ‘no’, receiving an ANT+ HR signal when in swim mode is not enabled.

    • Yes… it’s a bit extreme… but here’s a picture of a Fenix 2 recording my swim data, while my Vivofit records my HR data using a Mio wrist band: link to 1drv.ms The Mio needs to be very close to the HR recording device (Vivofit in my case) and very tight on your arm to get good data. Here’s a link to the Fenix 2 file showing the swim data (a series of 300s testing sighting versus non sighting to look at impact on HR): link to connect.garmin.com Here’s the HR data captured by the Vivofit: link to connect.garmin.com Unfortunately no easy way to combine them at this point…

    • Anders Majland

      I do the same. Let the 910xt log the swim metrics and the vivofit the HR from my mio link. Works just fine both outdoor and and indoor. If just the 920XT would allow it to connect to ant+ hr in swim mode i would upgrade :-)

      First indoor swim of the winter season:
      910XT: link to connect.garmin.com
      Vivofit:link to connect.garmin.com

      Outdoor swims i can combine with repairfitfile but have not figured out how to combine an indoor swim without location data. Here my last outdoor swim: link to endomondo.com

    • Anders Majland

      Ups wrong vivofit link: link to connect.garmin.com

      I would really like an option to combine workout og garmin connect.

      A simple matrix with overlapping logs and the ability to choose i.e metrics and coordinates from one file and HR from another.

    • Just to confirm for this subset of the thread, during openwater activities it does allow you to pair a HR strap. It doesn’t seem to allow you to show the active HR however as a display field. But, it does pair and record the data, and I get stroke data (as seen here: link to connect.garmin.com)

      Had I realized that it would work prior to jumping in the water today I would have brought the Link to test it out. I’ll do that this weekend.

      For indoor swimming mode, it doesn’t try and connect to any ANT+ sensors, thus, no heart rate.

    • Anders Majland

      Ok, so so far it is half a solution :-)

      Looking forward to you next outdoor swim with the mio link and hopefully good data quality on the HR recording..

      Can only be policy that Garmin has decided not to have ant+ enabled in the pool … Well that could change with a firmware upgrade or maybe by an app.

      Might also be better with equal weight on both arms. A 910/920 on one and mio link / vivofit or similar on the other… Can’t help that one looks like a gadget geek getting in/out of the pool …

    • Jesper

      Could you get HR during swim using Wahoo Tickr X and then merge in HR data post exercise?

    • Bart

      Is it correct that Garmin will launch in the beginning of 2015 a HR-sensor which support HR-monitoring under water?

    • Jesper – It would reqiure 3rd party software to merge the two files.

    • eli

      Bart, where are you getting rumors like that from?

    • Bart

      eli, could be that it’s just a rumor, I don’t know… that’s why I asked DC Rainmaker if he has information about this. DC?

    • Fabio

      Ray any update on the swim mode (pool) + HR? Any new firmware, any solution?
      I’m looking forward to get my HR pool training.

  30. Michael Vetowich

    Ray, great review as always. Does it have the swim drill mode?

  31. staralliance

    Ben & Jerry’s? Don’t you have Movenpick over there? 😉

    Thanks for the review.

  32. Bert

    Wow, impressive little device. Do you think that the breadcrumb courses performance has improved? On my 910XT the refresh rate was quite slow… Which was the main gripe I have with the device.

    Also: might it be possible to apply the rudimentary maps like with the Fenix2?

    • Tim

      I have to promote this question as well…

      Courses on the 310xt were decent once, then they firmware updated them to non-functional. Since then the 910xt and Edge 500 both suffer from poor course performance that has never been addressed.

      Also, beyond course functionality please include a brief note about where to load courses from. If we are stuck with Garmin Connect courses, that’s a bummer. Other sites allowed “Course Points” with warnings and pop-ups for “Right” or “Left”. Garmin’s site left all of this out.

      Luckily on an Edge 500 we can still load a FIT or TCX via USB, the wireless only devices (read: 310xt) can only be loaded now via ANT+. With Express this knocked course loading down another notch.

    • Eli

      Would be nice to know if any of the formats on http://ridewithgps.com will work with the 920.

    • Tim

      Now I’m also realizing the PC usb connection on the 920… Hopeful for drag and drop tcx courses like the Edge series :)

    • I just tried creating a test course with Ride with GPS, a .TCX file, and then dragging and dropping via USB to NewFiles on the unit. No luck.

      I then tried dragging and dropping to Courses folder via USB, no luck there either.

      Neither one shows up as in the Navigation submenu as a Course. Sending from Garmin Connect however does show up. I’ve added it as a question for Monday as to why it doesn’t work.

  33. jeffrey robins

    for triathlon specific, I presently use a 310XT, would you upgrade to the 920 or the fenix2?

    • Generally the 920XT, unless you have more extensive hiking/skiing/outdoor needs that require some of the other features found in the Fenix lineup.

    • Doe

      I have the fenix 2 for triathlon, I had the 910XT, I suggest you to buy the 920XT.
      The fenix is unreadable when running.

    • Patrick Myers

      I’ll assume you mean the Fenix2 “regular edition” is unreadable. My friend’s Fenix2 Special Edition is pretty easy to read (although I have the regular edition and it is fine for me personally).

      That said, the 920xt is looking pretty slick and I might upgrade next season.

    • Deepanshu

      But there is a possibility to add these hiking or other outdoor activities features via Connect IQ, right?

      I bought Fenix 2SE few days back, now I’m wondering if I should return that one and get 920XT.

    • goughy

      Myself, I’ll disagree with this. I have no problems reading the F2, day or night. But some people do and you would need to assess that for yourself. If you’re after tri specific and not a daily watch I’d say 920. If you want a daily watch as well and you don’t care about what it looks like I’d probably say 920 as well. Same as the 310 and 910, I find the 920 pretty ugly. But as a fenix2 owner, if I’d only wanted a watch for during activity I’d be looking at the 920 too. But as a daily watch, I still prefer the look of either F2.

    • Steve Smith

      I love my Fenix2, which replaced a 910xt. I like the additional recording functions of the Fe is 2 over 920, but I’d love Bluetooth notifications and ANT+ at the same time. Plus Wifi updates and sync are awesome too! What’s an athlete to do? lol
      A few other points, I have no issues reading the Fenix 2. I do think the Fenix 2 is a bit large, the slimmer 920 might fit under my shirt cuff.

    • I have the Fenix 2 as well… and will be getting the 920 as a triathlon specific watch, replacing my existing 910. The square screen size of my existing 910 provides much more real estate… bigger fonts and more contrast than the F2… and it looks like the 920 is similar. With my 49 year old eyes… the 910 with 4 data points is still easy to ready, while the standard F2 is not easy to read even when using only three data points.

    • You can create additional activity profiles, within that, you can specify the name to anything you’d like, and you can pick from a handful of semi-appropriate icons. You can also specify the color.

      Sensors are handled outside of that, so any valid sensor supported by the FR920XT will be supported within the general sensor pool so any activity profile except indoor swimming can see them.

  34. Adrian Coman

    Hi Ray,

    Two questions:

    1. Firstbeat tools compatibility (RR recording feature) ?
    2. What GPS chip does it have?

    Thanks.

    • 1) Unknown on RR recording
      2) It hasn’t been released, but as noted there’s some significant antenna changes made compared to the FR620.

    • Antenna changes …

      That is good news. After trying both a fenix2 and FR220, I ended up reverting back to a 610 and 310XT because of the GPS accuracy issues. I know not everyone had these issues, but I think enough of us did to indicate it was a real problem. It’s good to hear that the 920XT might be an improvement in that area.

  35. Nick Tume

    The wait looks to have been worth it! One question: will there be a quick release strap as with the 910!? (I really hope so) And if so, will it fit the current bike mounts?

  36. Chris

    How long was a 910 XT out before this replaced it? Or what is the general shelf life of a Garmin unit before their updated or replaced with a new one?

  37. Great!
    It sounds too good to be true! (and it’s a little bit typical that the 920XT microsite is currently “not found”…)
    Will the 920XT support the cycling dynamics of the Vectors?

    • Garmin hasn’t announced yet other models aside from the Edge 1000 that will support Cycling Dynamics (which could come as recording or display or neither). They expect to announce other such models at the time Cycling Dynamics is released.

  38. Adam W

    When are you going to pair with an EU supplier so the rest of us don’t miss out on your discount!

  39. Matias

    Is it possible to charge the battery while excercising with 920XT?
    This doesn’t work with 620, but works with Fenix 2.

    • Torgeir Nes

      I would realy like to know this as well.
      I still use my 305 for the realy long hikes, due to the abbility of connecting a big powerbank and have virtually unlimited gps recording capability.

    • Eli

      You would think they could design the charging cable to be able able to attach with the watch on your wrist. Maybe not the most comfortable as that could be hard to design, but possible.

    • At this point, in testing, when I plug a battery pack into the 920XT while an activity is recording, it ends the recording unfortunately.

      I’ll ask as to why. The battery clamp is sorta like a slightly clunky Fenix clamp, so it holds really well (even has a button you have to press to unlock), so I can’t see a mechanical reason why they wouldn’t enable it.

    • Ethan

      This was possible on the 910 which was incredibly useful for ultramarathons taking 20-40 hours. Any reply from Garmin?

  40. TorsteinH

    Looks very tempting…
    Does it include the Ski-Board mode from the Fenix range?

  41. scalariev

    Thanks for the ultra-quick and announce-simultaneous review, Ray. That’s amazing, keep it on!

    What I can’t get is why does Garmin need two similar contemporary products in line (Fenix2 and 920XT). Am I missing the point?

    • Patrick Myers

      The Fenix line is (in theory) directed at the outdoor crowd with functions that will likely never come to the 9x0line, e.g., parachuting, etc. It has some multisport functionality thrown in.

      The 920xt is directed to multisport crowd and has some outdoorsy functionality (like navigation) built in.

      Similar – and overlapping – crowds, but not completely the same.

  42. Jared

    Only thing missing. Optical heart rate.

    • tom

      Yes, that was my initial thought as well. But then I thought of something, the measuring of Vertical Oscillation and Ground Contact time is handled by sensors in the chest strap. So you could argue that you need the cheststrap anyway

  43. KeithS

    Ray, we’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that the predicted race times are too HIGH for you.

    • Yeah, I guess it could be worded either way, low or high. It might be more of a geographic semantics thing. If I ran a 50min 10K, someone would probably say that’s a pretty low result. But perhaps it’s different in Australia. 😉

    • KeithS

      It’s Australia, I don’t think we would be that polite. LOL

      :)

  44. StefanS

    Is it possible to do Livetracking and using ANT+ at the same time?

  45. BobV190

    Does Garmin not get that a large segment of the population does like to listen to music while running? I know a lot of purists aren’t interested in this feature, but I have to believe they are in the minority. I don’t understand why any new running/multi-sport watch doesn’t include a music player along with at least 8GB of storage. Additionally, it would be nice to have audio feedback (lap times, HR zones, etc.) thru bluetooth earbuds.

    I hate having to carry my phone, or a 2nd device to listen to music when in 2014, one device should be able to handle it all. I can’t believe it would add much, if anything, to the final cost of the unit.

    This, like most Garmin devices, also seems way overpriced.

    • Patrick Myers

      >> “I can’t believe it would add much, if anything, to the final cost of the unit.”

      Except it would add space to the watch, additional components (that also need quality assurance testing) , software development time for the player functionality and ways to get music onto the watch, and support time (when customers complain random-3rd-party-BT headset doesn’t work with the watch, when people say “I don’t like mp3s, I only have OGG/FLAC/AAC/etc”).

      I’m not criticizing your ask – a lot of people DO listen to music when they run. I’m only saying that adding it involves a lot more – A LOT more – than just effective duct taping an iPod shuffle to the watch.

    • BobV190

      Except other companies (Motorola, Adidas, Timex, etc.) seemed to have figured it out. My guess is that the processor is already more than capable, bluetooth is already implemented (would just need the correct protocols), and the device already has storage available (for workout files) and would just need to be increased. From a hardware perspective, I still believe the additional cost would be minimal (a few dollars for some extra storage).

      It just seems Garmin is purposely avoiding heading down this path for whatever reason. Don’t get me wrong, I love all of the serious training features Garmin is rolling out with this device, but I would also like to carry just one device.

    • Patrick Myers

      Except the Motoactv doesn’t do half the things the 920xt does and is discontinued.

      Except the Adidas micoach is $50 less, but doesn’t do a lot of the things the 920xt does and, looking at the reviews on Adidas’ own site, has quite a few flaws and unhappy customers. Keep in mind that every piece of functionality makes the watch more complex and therefore more prone to problems.

      As for the Timex watches, they don’t even do cycling or swimming metrics, so they are hardly competitors here unless you want JUST a running watch, in which case – yeah, the Timex ones are pretty compelling as a competitor to Garmin’s running-focused watches.

      In all cases, I’d hardly say the industry has “figured it out.” As such, I don’t know if it’s “Garmin is purposely avoiding it” as much as it is “Garmin hasn’t been pressured into it yet” and given that some of those watches that DO have music functionality are almost as expensive as Garmin’s top watches, but don’t have the cycling/swimming functionality that Garmin’s does at that price point, I maintain that it wouldn’t be an insignificant additional cost to add it.

    • Eli

      Adidas micoach and motoactv also had the advantage of using Android as the base OS. So they gained lots of functionality without having to implement anything. (audio, audio over Bluetooth, text to speech, music file playback)

      Now before you say that Garmin should do the same thing and through out their OS and use android too, think battery life. Android uses up too much battery power. Do you think Android could last 40 hours on a watch with GPS on?

    • David

      But personal audio devices are not legal in USAT events, even if not in use.(Still unsure how the new Timex Ironman watch will be legal). I prefer a watch without audio so I can use it in races.

    • Marios

      Very good point David.

    • Matt B

      >From a hardware perspective, I still believe the additional cost would be minimal (a few dollars for some extra storage).

      Bob, from a hardware perspective, it would be a completely different/additional chipset (in addition to memory, signal processor, etc). That’s like saying in order to go from a sports car to a tractor trailer truck, you just just need to add some more wheels and a put a towing hitch on it.

  46. Daniel

    Thnx for first impressions!!

    How does navigation work? Only the arrow as shown on your pics, or with a map (like F2) or a crumble-track (like suunto)?

    • Navigation is a separate page you can add to any activity profile, the ‘Map’ page. I’ll have a YouTube video published up shortly showing a quick walkthrough of how it looks and works.

      It’s a breadcrumb trail, but it’s cool in that all your saved waypoints show up on it, at all times, and the colors are actually really useful (clear). The only downside is I can’t figure out how to change the zoom level of the map while in an activity (outside of activity is easy). It’s on my question list for the 920XT team.

  47. Peter

    Hi Ray,

    do you have any information about its GPS chipset. If it comes with SirfStar as previous version or with MediaTek as current x20 models. I have not a good experience with MediaTek chips in deep forest.

    Btw. GPS chipset type can be recognized by GPS software version. Garmin’s MediaTek chipset has current version of 3.10 (in About menu item on device). SirfStar chipset have a different version numbering.

    Thank you for response and for your work!

    Peter

    • It showed 2.50 for me. I asked but didn’t get a direct answer. However, I did get more clarity around significant changes to the antenna that were made in this model. Additionally, they felt that they did a ton of work/testing on GPS accuracy. Of course, the proof is in the pudding there and a key area I’ll be looking at.

    • Marios

      I am very interested on this too. Hopefully it’s a SirfStar chip and not MediaTek.

    • Ben

      This is what I want to know, too. All the other features are great, but GPS accuracy is most important on a GPS watch.

    • Christoph

      Since the watch uses EPO files, I think it must be Mediatek.

    • Eli

      It does seem like crs uses a different term for sirfstar parts:
      link to csr.com

    • koulik

      Confirmed from GPS software update file.. It has MediaTek MT3333 chipset. But with GLONASS, it’s much better than MT3339 used in FR620/220.

    • ricks

      Will the new FR920xt work with Wahoo Fitness TICKR Run HRM?

  48. Sean

    That’s a shame about not having BTSmart sensor support – do you know what the rationale is for that? I’m a bit averse to having to get new sensors to go with a watch, especially when my current sensors work so well with trainerroad and other iDevice apps.

    • Likely that they own ANT+, a competing protocol.

      That said, my general recommendation for folks is to simply get dual-mode sensors from 3rd party companies. Wahoo makes some, as do many others. These sensors transmit on both ANT+ and Bluetooth Smart. In fact, Wahoo’s just about to release the dual version of their Blue SC Speed/Cadence combo sensor here in the next week or so.

    • Rohan

      Some Bluetooth LE implementations only allow the device to be either a sensor or a hub, eg. every Android phone. This could be a limitation Garmin has, which is much easier to deal with than not allowing ANT+ and BTLE at the same time (another hardware limitation).
      Also, existing BTLE sensors only allow one display to connect at a time. Which means if the watch connected, then your phone couldn’t. As the watch can connect to the phone, there is the possibility of forwarding the sensor data through a Connect IQ app.

    • Correct, I asked which type of chipset the 920XT had in it from a BT standpoint (full or just sensor), and was sidestepped on an answer.

    • That sounds like it would work well, except for running dynamics. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the running dynamics you get with the Wahoo Tickr Run aren’t compatible with Garmin devices like the Garmin HRM strap. If you want that you’d need the Garmin specific HRM strap.

    • Correct, though, if Garmin were to open things up to a standard, then it would work out.

  49. Nicolas

    Do you think the Metronome feature could be added to the 620?

  50. Staffan

    Sounds good at a first glance. I just wish they wouldn’t keep making these devices to ugly!

    • Marios

      I totally agree! Both the 620/220 and now the 920xt offer those unbelievably ugly diamond patterns around the screen. Who came up with that? It feels like Garmin is the PT Cruiser of sports watches whereas Suunto is like an Audi :-)

    • Abarker

      Came here to say this. Garmin’s features sound great, but they’re trending uglier.

    • Stepan

      Agree. I am now torn between beautiful Polar V800 that are limited in terms of features and ugly 920xt – 1980s “digital watch” style with tons of features

    • Timbo

      Come on, if you are a Triathlete you’ll know that its form over function any day of the week.

    • Eli

      But what is an Apple user triathlete to do? 😉

    • You say that now, but wait until it’s time to color coordinate your trisuit and aerobar tape.

  51. Simon

    NIce.
    Hopefully the Metronome and a few other “software” features migrate to the 620 and Fenix range!

  52. Martin T

    Very nice review, I’ve been waiting for this as an upgrade from the 910XT, the features look good in roundup and ConnectIQ Is a great addition.

    I’m pleased that they didn’t largely mess with virtual racer and vibration based alerts.

    Now to just find some availability in the UK.

  53. Rob

    Your photos make it look a lot sleeker and desirable than recent leaked pictures. I wonder how that shiny bezel will look after a bit of wear and tear. The 910xt starts off matte and remains matte when scuffed!

  54. Ian Blackburn

    Thanks for the first look Ray – great overview (and already much more detailed than most reviews will be I expect!)

    Quick question: Can this do smart notifications at the same time as connecting to ANT+ devices? Or is it one or the other like the Fenix2/SE

  55. Peter

    What are the difference between Fenix2 and 920XT, any chart??

  56. Ian Blackburn

    On a more superficial point – I am a bit disappointed about the look of the watch – looks sort of cheap compared to the Fenix2 I think. I have got used to using my Fenix2 as a day to day watch and I rather like the look – pretty robust and solid looking and feeling, whereas this looks a bit plasticy in the photo’s.

    Of course it may be very different in the flesh – what were your impressions on that Ray?

    Cheers

    Ian

    • It doesn’t quite have the same industrialized look as the Fenix lineup, no doubt. I do agree that perhaps offering a non-bright-colored version might have been good, but at the same time I understand why they do it from a marketing standpoint*.

      Of course, it’s also a lot lighter than the Fenix2 (about 30 grams), so that’s a factor. But, it doesn’t feel cheap to me.

      *Interestingly, it also made it easy to pick out in various beta testers pre-release Instagram photos over the past little while while they were just wearing it doing other stuff. Surprisingly, nobody picked up on any of those Instagram photos.

    • Ian Blackburn

      That’s quite funny – I will be on the lookout for Instragram hidden previews in the future!

      Thanks for your quick response and comments!

    • Tball

      Agreed, I like the look of the Fenix 2 better. The Fenix form factor just seems like a much heavier duty watch. I think a good bit of the extra weight is because it’s built like a tank. I’m happy with my Fenix 2 and like it that way for skiing and backpacking.

      On the other hand…. I love the idea of the metronome in the 920. It’s funny they added that while simple running cadence alerts still doesn’t work in the Fenix 2! Clearly the two watches were created by different teams with different priorities.

  57. Matt B

    With Garmin IQ, couldn’t an app theoretically implement Bluetooth sensors by using a phones BT connection to feed it directly to an app (not to the Garmin device)?

    HR – BT Sensor–>iPhone App
    GPS – Garmin 920xt–>iPhone App

    App puts that data together? I’m assuming the part that wouldn’t work would be sending that data back to the watch, which would be an issue if you wanted live feedback, but at least you could review it after the fact.

    Or is it explicitly prohibited in API to do something like that (by Garmin)?

    • Very interesting point, and absolutely valid. There’s no limitations I’m aware of there in the rules. Sweet idea!

    • Matt B

      After the announcement of the Basis Peak, I have dreams of using that as an optical HR sensor combined with GPS tracking from my Garmin 920xt.

      (I don’t believe the Peak has been be said to rebroadcast HR via BT, but can’t a guy dream?)

  58. tk

    V800 Killer?

    • blondin

      troll ??

    • tk

      Just a sad long time polar user who was about to buy the V800. It seems 920 does all from start what V800 will eventually gain via updates, plus more. Plus for V800 is swimming and design. It seems difficult to pick V800 over 920…

    • TX911

      Personally I can’t imagine wearing a 920 24/7, which renders the activity tracking and sleep monitoring useless.

    • TX911

      otoh, gamin’s new-found willingness to integrate with 3rd party apps such as myfitnesspal, apple health, and strava are huge. I hope Polar gets more involved on this front.

    • FJ

      Wait til you start hitting the nerve wracking Garmin bugs. Only thing keeping me on the Garmin side of the fence is that there’s no Ant+ based alternative that is worth looking at

  59. Angela Ross Innes

    I’m very much looking forward to your in-depth review of the FR 920XT – this looks to be an amazing improvement on my current Garmin, the FR 310XT, and I’m sooooo tempted to go out and get this despite the hefty price-tag!!

  60. Nate Thompson

    Really hoping that Strava takes a look at the new multisport pages that Garmin is working on for Connect… I think this is long overdue and would be a very welcome addition!

    Now to decide on whether having the additional activity profiles for non-triathlon sports (in my case, snowboarding) is worth moving to the Ambit3…

    • Good point Nate – put another way, given the current way that Strava deals with Swims (in particular) – I shudder to think how these multi-sport datasets will be imported.

      Given the importance of Garmin, though, perhaps Strava is working in the background on how to address this.

      I, for one, would love to see The Sufferfest’s Chrysalis as ONE activity in Strava, not two (one bike, one run with a ton of multiple pieces). Heck in this model, you’d even get the transitions – how great is that?

  61. magpet

    Hi Ray!

    Three questions:

    -Have any map screen for navigation? Just a blank one with the track/route and waypoints, like the Fenix/Fenix2.
    -Can I send wpt/route/track data to the 920XT from BaseCamp (or take a GPX file manually), or just from the Connect (by Connect’s route panner)?
    -In 920 the ANT+ receiver can work parallel with Bluetooth (HRM+Livetracking), like in FR620, or I must select one, like in the Fenix2?

    Thx!

  62. Maurice Moroney

    nice report Ray.

    one question, swim mode, 910xt had a lower limit of 20m for the pool, garmin swim had lower. what’s the story with the 920xt, for those of us with 17m pools?

  63. Adam

    Are there any real benefits over FR620 solely for running?

    • Not really. (Well, unless you are an ultra runner and need the significantly longer battery life)

    • Adam

      Thx, Ray.

      It still find mine FR620 an impressive kit. It would be nice they incorporate message notifications when connected via BT, but it’s no big deal.

    • Jeremy C

      Presumably the apps designed for Connect IQ could add functionality that could go above and beyond the 620.

    • GC

      Navigation and following courses. As a runner, I use these very often on my 910xt, Wouldn’t justify the investment on its own, but if you’re in the market for a new watch and trying to decide between a 620 and 920, it would certainly nudge me gently in the direction of the 920.

  64. christoph

    what gps-chip does it use?

  65. Angus

    Great review, thanks. Metronome is genius. Any reason they couldn’t add via firmware to some of the existing lineup?

    • Tim

      Like most Garmin features you’re likely out of luck. They could have added drill mode to the 910, but chose to spend the time developing the feature into new revenue products (Garmin Swim, Fenix 2, now 920xt).

      I can’t completely blame them for not adding neat new software features, but it would be nice to feel more cared for (at least in areas of bugs/problems in old devices) :)

  66. Tyler Blaum

    How’d the screen do in bright sunlight?

  67. sebastien

    I’m I the only one who thinks the 920 screen looks smaller and not as easy to read than the 910’s?

    • izzy

      Yep. From rough measures of the pics, it looks like the display area of the 920xt is about 20% less than the 910xt. Contrast and colors also affect readability, but for those with presbyopia the smaller screen size (and resulting smaller fonts) won’t be welcomed.

    • izzy

      oops – I screwed up my measurements and it’s really a 35% area reduction. Final answer.

    • 35%? Somehow I don’t think so.

    • Dom

      It’s 29×21 mm rather than 33×20 mm. 3.3% area reduction. Final answer 😉

    • John

      Penultimate answer? No, that means it has a 7.7% smaller area

    • Dom

      You’re quite right. Think I must have put 22 instead of 21 into my calculator.
      Anyway, the point stands that 35% is a huge exaggeration.

    • izzy

      In the image “FR920XT-FR910XT-SizeComparison”, if you measure the grey display areas for an apples-apples comparison, you get 35% reduction. A bit less area reduction if you include black icon area on the 920xt. Comparing anything else for an area calc doesn’t seem apples-apples. The 3.3% area reduction calc below obviously incorporates bezel area which isn’t insightful.

    • runnindude

      I get similar answers as Izzy. For just the gray display area (the area you’ll look at while running etc – the area inside the case bezel, protective glass bezel and LCD display bezel), while zooming in on the same image and using a ruler on my PC screen:
      910xt: 36.0 units x 23.0 units = 828 units^2
      920xt: 30.3 x 18.7 = 566.6 units^2
      (828-566.6)/828 = 31.6% display area reduction for time/pace/distance info
      Adding in the toolbar area and top LCD bezel for the 920xt (although that’s essentially irrelevant while running etc and any bezel distorts the area comparison):
      920xt = 30.3 x 22.3 = 675.7 units^2
      (828-675.7)/828 = 18.4% display area reduction for all info (and probably more like 25% reduction if the top LCD bezel was ignored as it probably should, such that one only measured up to the top of the toolbar icons instead of the top of the LCD bezel).

      For those that disagree, please show your assumptions and calcs at the same level of detail. It seems the key difference in the numbers posted so far is whether one includes bezel areas or not, and it seems more accurate to not include them.

    • If it helps…tomorrow morning I’ll break out my fancy measuring tool and measure both units screens (by break out, I mean I’ll spend tonight finding it first…).

  68. Durrin Hynes

    Hi Ray,

    Awesome preview, as usual!

    Have you had a chance to swim with it yet? I’m curious about whether the addition of GLONASS will make it better at determining distance swum.

  69. Tyler

    Can you help me understand how live tracking on the watch (connected to a phone) is an improvement over just live tracking from the phone itself?

  70. David

    Is this not eligible for the Clever Training discount? The coupon code didn’t work.

  71. Very cool. Can’t wait to get one!

    It appears that with new features, this is intended to be worn all day. What is the battery life for this and how long does it take to fully recharge? Are there any advances in charging methods?

  72. LP

    so is hr recording enabled in pool./openwater swim modes? ie is there actually a HR field that you can display on the screen in the pool (then if you use a mio you will get a reading but not with the garmin strap). if so then that’s different to the 910 I think. can u clarify pls

    • HR is currently enabled in openwater mode, but not in pool mode. Though, neither mode permits you to add the HR field for either mode.

      I’m optimistic it’s not a ‘bug’ that it’s enabled, so, I’ll be pressuring them a bit to both leave it, as well as let me add the HR data fields.

  73. BillM

    Disappointed not to see optical Hrm integrated, I wonder if given they have made it thinner than 910 that they might introduce a optical hrm version to sell alongside this one. I’ll be sticking with my 910 in the meantime with my mio link alongside. Screen look a bit smaller on the 920 too.

  74. David Tucker

    I was wondering if it’s be disappointed by having the fenix 2 over this but I feel like I still get the best of everything with the fenix. There is a definite battery life advantage to this watch but I love the other modes I get on the fenix 2 like skiing. Do you think I’m missing a bigger picture here? I just did Augusta with the fenix 2 and it performed great!

    I can’t wait till a friend gets this one do i can drool on it!

  75. Thanks for the great timely review. I’m actually glad that its just the 910++ so to speak – I’ve had mine since shortly after it came out and while other friends’ watches have come and gone the ol’ workhorse just keeps chugging.

    I actually saw the Garmin announcement first and though, “Yeah, I’ll believe its out when Ray posts a …” and there your column was too. So that was fun.

    One piece of feedback I’d love to see get back to Garmin if you agree with it – the new battery saving modes are great, and I’d be excited if the watch would slip into them automatically. When you’ve got 10% left switch to the ultra mode, and maybe when you hit 5% disable the GPS completely and go into long-life FR70-emulation mode. Especially with the built in motion tracker, I know I’d take accurate time with 99% accurate distance for hours over 10 more minutes of GPS use.

    Thanks again for all the good work!

    • I am a bit disappointed to see the reappearance of the “status bar” at the top of the screen though. IMO it’d be far better to give all the important numbers that extra 10% of real estate – how often do you need to check mid-race that your HRM is paired (especially when you’re looking at your pulse in real time already). That was one change that the 910XT got very right.

    • Actually, the status bar disappears after a few seconds after you’ve touched a button.

    • Fantastic! Thanks for the update. Looks like this is a solid entry. Now I just have to decide if the fancy new running dynamics are worth $.5K – probably not. That’s the “downside” to the 910XT being made so darn well :)

  76. Matthew Aune

    Is the 920 excluded from you coupon code on Clever Training?

    “Coupon code “DCR10WHP” is not valid.”

  77. Steven M Knapp

    “Next, there’s now the ability to group different activity trackers together to determine which data you want from which devices. ” – HORRAY! Hopefully this can be quite smart.

    Also they continue to move in this direction, supporting the idea that I may have many of their devices. For example syncing my Virb with connect makes a TP activity per video and throws off my calorie count in MFP.

    • Bob Goodman

      The trick to deal with this right now is to create a new dummy user in garmin connect for your virb. Then set up garmin express to synch the virb to this new account. That way you avoid duplicate data in your core garmin connect account. Garmin Express allows different user accounts for each device to synch to.
      But I agree that it would be more convenient to designate this from within Garmin Connect.

    • Yup. Or, do what I do and just simply disassociate that in Garmin Connect altogether. Though, you’re solution of having a dummy VIRB account is sorta appealing…

    • Steven M Knapp

      This isn’t to say it can’t be made to work, but IMHO they should deal with this better. More so if they want to get into the social aspect of it. People shouldn’t need to connect with me multiple times if we are sharing all our “goings on”. And more so it should encourage normal/basic users to buy more of their stuff. After all, that is where their revenue comes from.

    • Anders Majland

      How do you group activity trackers. I’ve looked arround in the new garmin connect today and could not find anything that looked like that.

      That could be a way to get my vivofit (HR from mio link) linked to my swim exercices with all the other metrics from my 910xt.

    • I see the option to ‘Set as Activity Tracker’ within Garmin Connect, but I’m not sure if it’s supposed to be more. I’ve asked for clarity.

    • Anders Majland

      I lost my first vivofit pretty quick (damn silly lock) and when i bought a replacement (and RoidID lock) i also had the option to select which one should be the active activity tracker. It might just be that

      I usually wear my vivofit 24/7 and sometimes add the heartreat belt for activities. But for some activities like cycling or swimming i also use the 910xt and then have overlapping activites. For cycling i could just leave the vivofit in the car, but for swimming that is my way of getting hr.

      I had just hoped for some functionality to group overlapping activities.

    • TimB

      How did you get your HR with the vivofit ion your swim? I tried this once but was unsuccessful.

    • Anders Majland

      Just wear it on the same arm close together. Make sure the Mio Link is very tight and that you have it all wet before you start the exercise.

      Yesterday I did a short swim before just playing/diving in the pool with the kids (my back still hurts a bit after a crash 14days ago)

      link to endomondo.com

      Except the drop between 3 and 4 minutes it looks pretty accurate. The drop halfways was expected as i switched from breathing every 4 stroke to every 3rd and lowered the speed a bit.

      Garmin Connect has dropped my HR graph when i changed the exercise from other to swimming !!

      link to connect.garmin.com

      I both changed the distance and workout type at once – don’t know what triggered the removal of HR

      I was of course also wearing my 910XT: link to connect.garmin.com

    • Steven M Knapp

      Would be interested in more detail on this if/when you have time. Curious how straightforward it is to switch between devices. Would it be something you do once, or able to do it daily?

  78. Tyler

    Do the Enter and Back buttons also function as Start/Stop and Lap/Reset?

    If they moved those buttons to the side, that’s a disappointment.
    Side buttons are much ‘squishier’ and give less confidence/feedback of a successful push while on the go.

    In my opinion, the 310 had the best hardware buttons of any of Garmin’s watches.
    910’s are fine, but also squishy all around.

    • The Start/Stop buttons are on top (at the bottom), same with lap/reset. Check out the photos in the post.

    • Tyler

      Maybe I’m just confused by the labeling on the face of the watch?

      Enter and Back are highlighted on the watch face, but the buttons below this only have symbols (which seem to imply the same Start/Stop and Lap/Reset functions as the 310 and 910).

      I’m also confused by the circle symbol by the down arrow.

  79. There we were hunting around and you already had one!

    Thanks for the heads up on it. Looks good :)

  80. Bryan Alsdorf

    No mention if it / the new garmin connect has the ability to customize data fields from the web? That is a feature that would be most welcome.

  81. Dan

    Does the existing 910xt heart rate strap can be used in 920xt? Likewise with the footpod and cadence sensor? Thanks

  82. Justin Fabian

    Are the Running Dynamics only obtained from the HRM-RUN strap, or will it give you the same metrics with a footpod?

    I assume something like the TICKR X won’t give Running Dynamics, but would it be possible to utilize Garmin IQ to make that happen?

    • The Vertical Oscillation and Ground Contact Time are only from the HRM-RUN, whereas cadence is from anything (footpod, in-wrist itself, or HRM-RUN).

      Correct on TICR-X not giving Running Dynamics. Connect IQ could partially bridge the gap, but I don’t think it would allow a 3rd party to write it to the specific VO/GCT fields, but rather a secondary field alongside (like ‘VOx/GCTx’).

    • Rohan

      TICKR X running dynamics are only available through BTLE, so this would have to be a convoluted solution through a phone.

    • Or Wahoo just transmits them via ANT+, something they’ve said they could/would do if a device/platform actually supported it.

    • Assuming it’s identical to the FR620, you’ll need the HRM-Run to get Running Dynamics.

    • Peter

      Is Wahoo supporting ANT+ with running metrics really a possibility? Which do you think will happen first:
      Wahoo supports Android for Running Smoothness, Wahoo pushes Running Smoothness data through ANT+, or Garmin supports BLE HRMs?

      I have the TICKR RUN and would hate to buy another HRM, but want to see the running metrics. It looks if one is going to get the Garmin HRM you should buy it at the same time as the 920xt and save $50.

    • I think it’s actually none of the above. I think it’s that the Running Dynamics standard (Garmin only today) is opened up to be public ANT+, versus private ANT. Wahoo has noted numerous times that if that happened, they’d happily update. To be clear here though, this isn’t a Wahoo problem – it’s a Garmin problem/blocker.

      I discussed that in my keynote last week as a core issue for ANT+ if they want to remain in business, due to the fact that people are doing exactly what Wahoo did – going to Bluetooth Smart. Same with RunScribe for advanced metrics. Based on some discussions, I think my point sunk in. It will hardly be overnight though.

  83. Hiram

    I reupload a triathlon file from my Fenix 2 to see if I get the new Multisport mode on Garmin Connect but nothing has change, i get the same splitted segments as usual.

    Anyone know how to get this new mode with previous multisport activities?

    • Ian Blackburn

      I don’t think it is live yet. I see this at the top of Garmin Connect (in modern mode) so I guess you have an hour or so to wait.

      “Garmin Connect will be undergoing scheduled maintenance on Wednesday, 01-October-2014, 3:30 – 4:30 PM UTC (Wednesday, 01-October-2014, 10:30 AM – 11:30 AM CDT).”

    • Correct, it’s coming later today…

    • Hiram

      Great!! let see if they merge those splitted activities automatically or we need to reupload.

      btw I just bought the Fenix 2 on Clever Training (using your promo code) last month, on the sale they had. I’m wondering if I made a mistake because the availability of the fr920xt now?

      The only feature that I really miss is the daily activity monitoring, any chance that we get that on Fenix 2 via a firmware update? I do not think so but I had to ask :)

    • I don’t expect to see it on the Fenix2 due to issues with being a low-power mode there for activity tracking.

      As for switching it out, Clever Training does have a 60 day return policy.

    • Hiram

      Oh, thanks for let me know about their return policy. It’s $150 difference between both (hrm bundle) but i’ll think about it, I have a few days left.

      Great blog btw, thanks!!!

    • Luke

      Ray,
      Do you know if we’ll be able to retroactively link swim, run, and bike files into a “triathlon” file on GC?
      I’ve been recording them independently using my FR620 and Edge500, would love to merge them all together if that is possible.

    • Does the new multisport mode on GC require you to use the Modern theme? I haven’t changed over yet but that could be the final push I need…

    • Yes, it’s only on Modern.

      And to answer the question above – no, it’s only for newly uploaded activities coming from a single .FIT file in multisport mode.

  84. Tommy

    You referenced the battery life for ultrarunners in an earlier comment. What is the reported battery life with 1 second recording? I assume the 40 hours mentioned in the review is based on the Smart Recording or UltraTrac mode?

    • Tommy

      That is excellent! Of course, I bought an Ambit 2 yesterday (seriously 12 hours ago!). Talk about poor timing. I may have to take advantage of the 60 day return policy as well as the primary reason for the Ambit 2 was the extended battery life! For the $130 difference is the 920 worth the differential? Seems like it may be with the extended feature set they added.

  85. Captain Chris

    Thanks Ray!
    Busy week!

    I have been watching the Admiral and her Samsung Gear Fit and have decided I need Smart Notifications.
    Can you expand on the functionality of the smart notifications? Maybe a screen shot. I know this is a fitness watch, but for day-to-day wear, this is a feature I have been looking at.

    • Tim Grose

      It basically (well on my iPhone at least) shows you your new notifications – e.g. those that appear on the home screen in standby mode.
      You can scroll through them one at a time.
      As soon as you read them on your phone, it clears them on the 920 so you can’t, for instance, “save” them.

  86. Alberto

    Thanks for the pre-review Ray. So excited!

    Does it have a barometric altimeter? The one in the FR910XT was terrible and failed for many people. In my case, just after the warranty had expired. And unfortunately the altitude field on the watch was tied to that instead of the GPS altimeter, so if the sensor failed in your unit, you were stuck with nothing!

    • Yes, barometric altimeter.

      As a side note, the vast majority of people can simply fix their FR910XT altimeter issues by dunking the unit in a bowl of warm soapy water for about 10-15 minutes. If issues persist, grab a toothbrush and VERY GENTLY poke around the altimeter hole to clean it out. In most peoples cases, it’s just caused by salt/sweat buildup.

      Obviously, I’ll be looking for any barometric altimeter issues in all my upcoming activities.

    • Luke

      Great addition (huge benefit over the 620).
      Does it record temp?

    • Miro Lehky

      Good question. I was suprised to not see the Tempe on the list of sensors.

    • Peter K

      In the spec list on the Garmin site it says no to internal temp measuring and recording, and no mention of Tempe connection… Assume tempe can be added with Connect IQ but its a shame not to have temp on board, I use this quite a bit on my Fenix 2

    • Correct, no Tempe support, but one could definitely do it via Connect IQ.

      As for internal temp not being there either, that is indeed correct – sorry for the confusion there, validate that just a bit ago with them (and updated my chart).

    • Leandro

      I did try that Ray, exactly as you described… and killed the 910XT (I brushed gently).
      That experience alone (and the fact it happened one month after the warranty expired) left me very hesitant to shell out $500 for this watch.
      How did they implement the barometric port? Same as in 910XT? Different place?

      Great review Ray and thanks!

    • The altimeter ports on the 920XT appear to be on the top/face of the unit, in between the two buttons. I’m going to test it out using a simple scotch-tape test to see if that’s the right ones (versus audio ports).

    • Claudio MV

      Mmmm…I’ve been dunking my 910XT in warm water (about 28C / 82F) 45 min once a week, it doesn’t seem to help!;-)
      Tonight also tried a bowl with warmer, soapy water, but it’s still desperately showing a constant 20,000m altitude.
      Even if I would’ve really appreciated that Garmin issue a firmware that allowed to ignore barometric altitude, (so I’m a bit mad at them) I still think I’ll end up getting a 920XT. It has everything I had hoped it would have (except BT sensor support and a round screen!)… it’s just a tad pricey, we’ll see how long I resist!

  87. raven

    Happy I picked up the 910XT in January of this year! The 920XT changes are ok, but not much about them is compelling to me. If they had managed to include optical heart rate sensor on the watch I’d be interested, because the chest strap is annoying. Guess we’ll wait two years for them to get to that. Meanwhile, Basis Peak is just announced and maybe they fixed their optical, Apple Watch will have that next year, as well as existing models from TomTom and others.

    Bluetooth sensor support is missing, of course, because Garmin doesn’t use them in their own devices and I suspect they will stick with ANT+ as long as they can.

    For Swimming, drill mode wold be nice to have but I would like indoor auto pause mode, which I think the Garmin Swim doesn’t have either but that was a feature on someone’s watch. I wonder if the Swim has any functionality the 920XT doesn’t have now? For that matter, if there will be a Swim successor.

    • Fran

      I have been using a swim for over a year know, and from my understanding, with the addition of drill mode there is no Swim functionality left out of the 920xt.

  88. Drew

    I know it is to early to say this before you do your full review, but do you see the 920 becoming your new go-to watch over the 620 which is your current go-to watch? It seems to me that this has everything the 620 has & then some. I have the 620 & I love it, especially since they added the cycling feature. I will more than likely pick up a 920 before the start of next year’s tri season. I’m just wondering if it makes sense to keep the 620 as my regular running watch or if I ditch the 620 & go all in with the 920.

    Also, with the size being comparable to the 620, better battery life, and the activity tracking feature, I could see this potentially replacing my Rolex as an every day watch if it wasn’t for the terrible two tone band. Any idea if they plan on releasing an all black band that would look better in a business setting?

    • Actually, I’ll probably stick with the FR620 for running post-review. I think it’s just that I primarily like smaller watches on my wrist for pure running. Perhaps I’ll change my mind, but we’ll see. For tri, I’ll likely go 920XT.

    • Drew

      Thanks Ray. I have leaned towards Garmin sport specific watches up to now. Garmin Swim for my pool work. 620 for running. And I plan to get a 510 or 810 to pair with my new tri bike in a couple weeks. The 920 could combine them all into one unit. I think I really just need to see how it works & feels to know if I want to go all in with it as my swiss army device for all of those things.

  89. David Tunney

    Interval creation on the device – is it as powerful as the 910xt?

    • Appears to be the same from what I can see. I’ll have to transfer/build out a couple of my normal (complex) workouts to validate that though and verify no issues.

    • hollyoak

      On a related matter, is it possible to edit the GC workouts on the watch as you can on the FR610 (not sure about the FR910) or is it impossible like on the FR620/Fenix?

  90. Gary P

    Hi Ray

    Thanks for the great write up. Looking forward to the full blown review and getting my hands on one of these.

    A couple of questions:

    1) Does the alert tone vary depending on if you are over or under target? i.e can you tell by the tone without looking?
    2) Are there multiple Bike profiles or is this covered in activity profiles section? People complained that the Fenix 2 only has one bike profile meaning you have to re-pair sensors when you swap bikes.
    3) The 620 has the option to set up to 2 custom data fields to display at each auto lap alert, something I find very useful. Can the 920 do this?
    4) Does the 920 automatically switch itself to lower power mode after a period of inactivity, and if so how long? On the 620 you can set this to extended in the menu which is useful.
    5) The Fenix 2 has the option to automatically turn on the backlight at the press of a button after sunset, a great battery saving idea. Does the 920?
    6) Is there still the limit of 4 data screens per

    Thanks in advance

    Gary.

    • Joan

      I’ll second the tone thing. I can’t tell with my 910xt or Edge 500 if I’m above or under the desired pace or power. I don’t know why they don’t use different tones.

    • 2) There are effectively multiple bike profiles, due to the sensor pool. It’s more like the Edge 1000 where you save as many sensors as you want to the device and it simply connects to what turns on. If more than one conflicting sensor is on, it asks you which one to use. You can name the sensors as well

      3) Yes, the FR920XT supports customizable lap banners (two fields)

      4) Yes, same as FR620, you can set this to Normal or Extended. However, unlike the FR620, you an specify it per activity profile. So, if you want it for day to day activities then going with ‘Normal’ makes sense. But for a race start, you might want to choose extended, and thus could use/make an extended ‘Race’ activity profile.

      5) I’m not entirely sure I understand, the backlight can be turned on via single press at any time via upper left button. You can specify how long to remain on (including forever).

      6) Yes, for data fields per data screen.

    • goughy

      On point 2, so they’ve removed the option like in the 310 where you selected bike 1, 2, or 3, and it just picks up what it needs to? Would be great if this also was added to the Fenix 2! I have a gsc10 on one bike, and the new separate cadence and speed/distance on another. But, if I have my gsc10 turned on in the F2 but ride the bike with the other sensors, I’ll get my cadence, but no speed or distance. But, the gsc10 will work perfectly. So I have to turn the gsc10 to Off within the F2 to get this to work.

    • Correct. No bike profiles like that anymore in the 920XT, it’s like free-love for sensors now.

      I pushed for some sort of multi-bike support in the Fenix2 when I met with the team leads last week on it. We’ll see…

  91. Matt B

    Another question about charging: can the unit be charged while an activity is running? I know that on the Fenix2 and some older models this works, but on the FR220/620, attempting to charge it while an activity is running causes the activity to stop.

    • No, at this time it acts like the FR220/FR620 unfortunately. I’ve asked for clarity why.

    • Matt B

      Thanks for checking. It made sense for the 220/620 (not intended for ultras) but it seems odd for their highest end running watch. Although, there probably isn’t a ton of use cases for more than 24 hours of 1s recording (where 40 hours of UltraTrac isn’t sufficient).

      Look forward to hearing if it’s a chipset limitation or something that could be updated in a later firmware release.

    • TedW

      didnt see this reply. it would be an odd chipset limitation. USB power control has been around for quite a long time. Its shouldn’t be difficult, hard, or expensive. As for 24+ activities. Depending on who you believe there is a rapid growth in ultra running. 100s are seeing great growth. Except for elite runners, most are in the 25-35hour time frame. So there is a market. Having a battery last would be great. but allowing a charge on the run is a solution. Example. I let my fenix drop to 34% battery. In just about 30min with a usb battery I was back up over 80% charge.

    • Matt B

      Ted,

      I definitely agree on the rapid growth of ultra running, but I suppose my point was any activity that was over 24 hours should be okay using ultratrac for 40 hours, since you’d likely would be moving slow enough for the 15sec/60sec recording would be sufficient. And the amount of people doing 40+ hour events is likely extremely small (and they are either elites/pros or extreme enthusiasts who could probably own multiple watches or other workarounds).

      Either way, I’m interested to find out if that gets changed in a future update.

  92. rabbit

    Sounds great. Thank you for the pre-review!

    I hope they will add the gps improvements also to the fenix 2 successor model.

    • goughy

      I have no doubt they would, but that’s probably still 1.5 years away!! I’ve only had one issue with my Fenix 2 gps, doing part of a run in a national park and wow did it go haywire. Luckily that’s not something I do regularly. The same run 2 years ago with my 310xt was perfectly tracked.

  93. David

    Ray,

    I suspect you may sidestep this one for now, but for those of us weighing the 920xt versus the v800, would I be correct in saying that Polar will really have to hit a home run with some of their forthcoming firmware updates for the v800 to be competitive (unless one is dead set on BLE, I guess)?

    • From a hardware standpoint, the V800 could pretty much do anything the FR920XT does. But, from a software standpoint they’re at this point miles apart (pure feature comparison).

      Polar will really have to double-down on the V800 software and features over the winter. They’re making progress and have a clear timeline till end of year. But that really only puts them as competitive with the FR910XT/Fenix2, not the FR920XT. That said, I like what I’m seeing from the company in terms of changing some of their ways, so anything there is possible.

    • Eugene

      I couldn’t agree with you more, Ray. I am one of the first ppl to own a Polar V800 and for the last few months, waiting for Polar’s software updates is like watching paint dry. From a hardware (and future potential) point of view, V800 seems to have it all. But realistically, here the major drawbacks for me: lack of advanced power metrics (TSS, IF, NP etc), lack of swim metrics, lack of integration with 3rd party power meters (eg. Stages). I have never owned an equipment that is so “unfinished” before. Who knows when it will all be available? At this pace, I’m saying mid-2015 (if I’m lucky). I took my chances with the Polar V800 and I must say I am pretty disappointed. If I had to do it all over again, I would have waited for the Garmin 920XT.

  94. Matt Dreyfuss

    Have there been any updates to the heart rate monitor? I am still having an issue where my 910XT reads or the strap sends bad data after a few months.

    • I depends on if you have an HRM3 made after July 2013, or one prior. If after, it should be pretty good as there were some changes made there to minimize spikes/drops.

    • Matt Dreyfuss

      I’m on my fourth HRM3, most recent is from this past July. What happens is when I start a workout the meter reads correctly but after about 20 minutes if starts reading very low and is inconsistent.

    • Hamish

      I’m glad I’m not the only one. I think I have had 3 HRM straps now and all end up doing the same thing as what you describe. After about 20 mins they just start reporting very low (like as low as 46 when I know I’m at least in LT/Zone 4).
      I’ve sent straps back to garmin but the replacements do the same thing.

      Contemplating the Scosche RHYTHM+ Armband as I’m also sick of having a pretty much constant red line across my chest.

      Ray apart from no GCT & Vert Osc. data – would the Scosche work well with the 920?
      Do you still like the Scosche as much as when you reviewed it?

    • Matt Dreyfuss

      Glad I’m not the only one. The Rhythm+ seems like a viable option.

    • George S

      Don’t be so sure. I have had the Scosche for a month or so and really, really want it to work well but in truth it has been very inconsistent whenever your arm is moving (which is always). I have found the HRM-Run chest strap (I use it with a 620) to be more consistent overall despite its faults. You should read the comments on Ray’s Scosche review if you haven’t already.

    • The Rhythm+ does work just fine with the FR920XT, and it carries with it the same limitations around vertical oscillation and ground contact time.

      I don’t see any issues at all with the Scosche for me, though it sounds like some folks that are doing weight lifting where it appears to be more finicky, and/or George. 😉

    • George S

      I haven’t given up or thought about returning it! I’ll keep experimenting until I find out how to make it work on me. (Maybe my arms are too skinny/freckly.) So much nicer to wear than the chest strap. On the positive side, I have worn it while sleeping to get my absolute lowest resting pulse and it worked great for that (and the battery lasted eight hours as advertised).

    • Matt Dreyfuss

      I’m kind of stuck because my Garmin straps keep failing, although I haven’t used the HRM-Run since I have a 910XT. Is the HRM-Run an improvement in the reliability department? What other options are there that are more reliable than the Garmin HRM Strap?

    • It depends on how old your existing strap is. If it was made prior to July 2013, then there’s a fairly big difference. If not, then it’ll be pretty similar.

      Note that if you bought a unit in the 5-6 months afterwards, it can be tricky, because it could be old stock. There’s unfortunately zero method of telling which ones have older firmware vs newer firmware, and there’s no way to update older ones.

    • Hamish

      I got a replacement HRM strap sent out from garmin a few months back. Would I be able to tell what version it is from the retail box it came in?

    • No, unfortunately there’s no visual difference either on the box or the strap (I’ve inspected both carefully, and confirmed with Garmin). Kinda annoying.

    • Matt Dreyfuss

      Like I said previously, I have had mine replaced 3 times by Garmin and I bought a new one this July because I had another failure. That strap started acting up a couple of weeks ago so I’m concerned about the reliability.

    • Hamish

      That’s downright stupid. So not even garmin support staff would know if they were sending out a new one?

    • Well, they would know because Garmin is only sending out new straps these days (and for about the last year). Where you might have gotten in ‘trouble’ is if you had bought from a retail outlet that had low sales throughput, where a unit could have sat on the shelf for many months, meaning you’d have old inventory.

    • Hamish

      Sorry Ray I probably should of clarified that I’m in Australia. Garmin sent out a replacement HRM strap a few months ago, which is doing exactly the same thing as the original one.

      I would like to think Garmin Aust. would only send out the newest version of the HRM, but my issue is that, without them labeling them in some way – you really don’t know.

      I’ll head over to the Scosche review and have a look at other peoples thoughts

  95. DomiC

    Does the skiing mode from Fenix 2 or 910XT will be still available in this new 920XT ?

  96. Greg S

    Do you have any pics on your wrist? so we can get a relative size indication? Also, do you have any pics next to the 620 face up on the wrist to see how much bigger it is?

    I never liked the large tri watches for biking and running, but if its small like the 620 (or my current 220) then I may be sold

  97. hollyoak

    Thanks for the preview, is there a typo in there or am I not reading it right ? : “The watch mode is now accessible 24×7 in non-GPS mode for 33 days without having to re-charge the battery. And if you have activity monitoring and smart notifications enabled, it’s about 30 days of battery (1 month). If you turn off activity tracking, you’ll get 4 months in straight watch-only mode.” Is it 33 days or 4 months in watch only mode?

    • Sorry, I probably have confusing wording:

      Watch-only mode with activity tracking & activity alerts enabled: 30 days
      Watch-only mode with activity tracking enabled: 33 days
      Watch-only mod with neither of the above enabled: 4 months

      And as for battery:

      GPS-on at 1-second rate: 24 hours
      GPS-on at variable UltraTrac rate: Up to 40 hours.

      Enjoy!

    • hollyoak

      Thanks for clarifying, impressive battery life indeed!

    • Bill

      Are the first two modes reversed? It seems that having both activity tracking and alerts enabled should reduce the battery life – thus, 33 days for tracking, 30 days for tracking and alerts.

    • Indeed. Tweaked. Thanks!

    • Adam

      How has the battery life been with the smart notifications on?

  98. Petros

    Ηello from Greece!

    Polar V800 vs 620XT ?

  99. Leo

    So what will be the next unit after this? Maybe a new small size Edge for cyclists?

  100. Jonas

    It’s too bad this too has no ant+ fitness equipment support – I added a transmitter to my TM last year with my 910 and miss that ability.

    • raven

      ” no ant+ fitness equipment support”

      I missed that comment in my first read through! I use the 910XT with a Concept2 rower and quite enjoy that feature. Seems silly not to have that carry over to the 920XT.

    • Matt B

      This can be enabled through Garmin IQ (via app development). So, it’s probably just a matter of time before this works.

    • Dr. D

      Yes I was thinking along the same lines – maybe Concept2 should take up the challenge!

    • Lee

      I too was surprised and disappointed by this change for the exact same reason.

  101. Duje

    With regards to the multisport activity profile on GC, will it be possible to create that with separate activity files for the swim, bike, and run?

    • Tim Grose

      No, the point of that profile is to keep it in one file. If however you were not bothered about transitions you could just say do a bike, save it and switch over to running etc etc

  102. Dale

    Great review and thank you for releasing this in perfect timing. The Edge 1000 does “Segments” in real time when cycling so you can race against yourself in a specific section, does the 920 also do this or will that feature stay specific to the Edge?

  103. Z74

    How about the log length? I have had problems with the Fenix 2, too short.
    How long does log last?

  104. Andrew G

    Hi Ray, great review as always. Any idea if the 920 supports the Torque Effectiveness and Pedal Smoothness metrics from the Vector? I am going to be quite annoyed if Garmin supports those in the 920, but not the 910. Thank you.

  105. Martin

    @DC Rainmaker you prefer the V800 or the FX920XT?

  106. Chris W

    Ray, thanks for the write up. Your coupon code is not working on Clever, for the 920.

  107. Andrew Kronschnabel

    maybe an ignorant question, What is GLONASS?

  108. Ben

    Looks good but as just a runner not quite for me. I would love a FR630… FR620 with daily activity tracking, smart phone notifications, connect iq, and gps accuracy improvements. Next year maybe?

    • Andrew Kronschnabel

      @Ben, i recently got a 620 and like it but notice that the PACE is really just not accurate at all, and only seems to change in :05 increments. my 920xt is dead on, to the 0:01. have you had the same experience?

  109. NMS16

    Thanks for the preview Ray. What are your thoughts on some of the new functionality making its way down to the 620 and Fenix2? While I can see something like Metronome being held back for future iterations of Garmin watches (purely from a marketing standpoint a la Apple), what about VO2 for the bike?

    • Tim Grose

      VO2 for biking needs a power meter so that’s highly unlikely to happen on a existing runner’s watch like the 620.

  110. Konstantinos

    Would it be possible to control other devices (such as GoPro Camera) through Wi-Fi + Connect IQ app?

  111. Jeremy Vaught

    Days ago I bought a Fenix 2. And it’s all right, I got it because it seemed to be a good combo of the FR910xt and the FR620. Basically a 620 with breadcrumb courses is what I want.

    Now I wonder if I should return it and go in for the 920. How would you compare the FR920xt to the Fenix 2?

    • Bernardo

      Jeremy, I got my F2 a week ago… what I really will put in F2 that the new FR920xt has is the activity tracker… the other mayor features are made by de F2… I really don’t care about the fancy color screen… Swim and running Metrics are the same… VO2 max on cycling is new…

      I will keep my F2… I don’t want to wait until november…

    • Jeremy Vaught

      Thanks Bernardo,

      Yeah, there is a ton of crossover. I do like the Fenix 2. It was between the F2, the FR910xt and the FR620.

      I care not for the snowboarding, hiking, etc stuff. So I’m leaning toward the FR920xt is what I was really after, I just purchased a week too early.

    • Deepanshu

      Same goes for me. Purchased F2 few days back now leaning towards 920XT. I think hiking and other outdoor activities can be implemented via Connect IQ later.

  112. Nick

    how waterproof is this Ray? I’m guessing only 50m – par for the course for these watches – would be pleasantly surprised if it matched the Ambit 2 at 100m

    • 50m. Though, I’ve yet to hear of anyone actually killing a tri watch with 50m waterproofing in any conditions (I’ve gone diving with them too).

      Generally speaking, almost all water related deaths I’ve heard of or seen have come from either initial manufacturing issues, or someone dropping it glass-down on concrete along the way and thus damaging the waterproofing seal.

  113. Does this require a specific HRM strap, or will our existing strap work with it?

  114. Paul

    “25 years of innovation” So where’s the heart rate belt like Suunto?
    I liked the 610 and 910 more. The 620 and 920 look like cheap plastic watches.Luckily the fenix2 is a good alternative… :)

  115. Olu

    Thank you for a great preview. I know I said I’d never order a Garmin device immediately upon release, but I already ordered it through Clever Training. This seems like a solid upgrade from the 910xt and will allow me to consolidate my 910xt and vivofit. Awesome!

    One question, you said the screen shows real colors. So would you consider it better then the 620 screen?

    • Gunnar

      Olu, you gave up on the fenix2! Me too….this does seem like a great watch that ticks all the boxes for me.

    • Yes, definitely more colorful than the FR620 screen (which I didn’t find terribly colorful, despite the PR images otherwise).

    • Olu

      That’s nice to here. Thanks for responding. I can’t imagine how hard it is for you to keep these things quiet! @Gunnar, yes returned to fenix2 units, but I’m expecting a nice couple of years with the 920xt!

  116. Rico

    The 920xt seems to use the same backing as the 610fr, which might be troubling as my wife’s 610 backing has been rubbing off causing skin irritation. This is only from perspiration from running as I can’t imagine what swimming will do to the backing. Thoughts?

    • It’s different. The FR610 backing thing was resolved years ago, due to a material actually applied to the backing. If you’re wife is still seeing the issue, she can call Garmin Support and they’ll swap it out for a model that doesn’t have that issue.

    • Rico

      Good to know, thank you. I guess I will be giving these a try when they’re available. I’m in the midst of getting the 610 replaced.

  117. David

    Hi, A quick silly question: since this is finally a watch, does it show date? Why I am asking is because its predecessor 910XT does not show date as it is not supposed to be a ‘watch’. :)

  118. Gunnar

    So, WiFi upload. I presume you might be able to use your phones wifi hotspot as a way to upload?

    I’m hoping this is the case, because my experience with bluetooth upload with past Garmin products (Edge 810, fenix2) were spotty at best with my iPhone and not working at all with my Sony Xperia android phone.

    • Dom

      My fenix is moody with my Moto G Android phone, but will usually work eventually if you unpair and repair it.
      My 620, on the other hand, generally Just Works with the same phone. So that side of things may be better than you fear.

    • Correct, will work fine with any WiFi hotspot where you it doesn’t prompt you for a ‘I Agree’ type box (such as Starbucks). So ones from your home, phone, etc… are all fine.

    • Gunnar

      Thanks Dom. Glad to know the 620 works well with Android. Hopefully that does translate over to the 920XT

    • David

      For someone owning an Iphone 4 (with an old Bluetooth technology version which doesn’t work on most (all ?) of watches), you mean that I would be able to upload with the WiFi of my old Iphone 4 ?

    • Yes, you could definitely use the WiFi hotspot on older phones.

  119. Wait, trying to get a clear answer here… Does the metronome do vibration? And can you set it to vibrate only with no beep?

  120. Viet

    Thanks for this post! I just ordered the 910XT tri bundle and will be returning it while I wait for this! any ETA from Garmin?

  121. Oh, and something else… Is there no bike mount for it? Does it pop off the band to be used as a bike computer?

    • hi

      ray said he is going to try a bike mount also, so there is a bike mount planned. I hope it will be more solid and consistent than the fixation of the 910XT, some triathletes have lost it during the swim with the multisport quick release !

    • There’s a quick release kit, which matches the Garmin Edge quarter-turn mounts that everyone uses.

    • Jon Niehof

      It matches the Edge mounts (left-right tabs), not the Forerunner mounts (fore-aft tabs)? So we’ll be able to use an Edge without rotating the mount or getting a Barfly?

    • I’ll have better clarity on that when it comes in. However, at present it seems to match the 310/910XT quick release tabs with up/down tabs. The reason being that it would otherwise block the charging ports.

  122. Jason Novich

    Great pre-review. Looking for something to replace my Global Trainer – has a leak and water gets inside. Also time for a hardware upgrade and this seems like a good solution.

    What I liked about the TGT was that I could configure the watch (data and screens) from the Timex utility that was provided. Does the 920xt provide that option as well?

  123. Gunnar

    OK. Can’t believe I’m the first to mention this….but where is the tempe pod support? I guess that can be developed by a third party?

  124. Alberto

    Ray, I was looking through your pre-reviewagain and I noticed how pretty the pictures are.
    The one one at the beginning of the section DAILY ACTIVITY MONITORING & REGULAR WATCH MODE is just beautiful: with the (Kananaskis?) trees in foliage, the mountain and the trail on the background. Garmin won’t need a marketing team anymore 😀

    Thanks for putting so much care in your posts. Tell the Girl that at least your time not with her is not going wasted 😀

    • Yup, I love that area for product shots. I did many of the Polar M400 and Suunto Ambit3 review shots up there. Wish I had something like that so easily accessible here!

  125. Gabe

    Ray,

    Great write up on a product many of us triathletes were looking forward to.

    How is the visibility of the screen in sunlight during your run, etc. ? Versus the fenix2?

    Would you upgrade from the fenix2 for another $50?

    I imagine someone can write apps to track snowboarding, hiking, etc on the 920

    • I find the FR920XT screen far easier to read than the Fenix2. Generally speaking if I were buying a new device and deciding between the Fenix2 and FR920XT, I’d go FR920XT, but again, I don’t have as much a dependency on things like Skiboard mode, and some of the other hiking related features found in the Fenix2.

  126. Stephane

    Hi Ray,
    Is the 10% DCR10WHP suppose to work? It’s not the case right now.

    Thx,
    Steph

  127. Joel A

    Ray,

    My biggest complaint with the Fenix 2 (other than the inverted screen) is that I can’t record HR while using the bluetooth smart notifications. Can this provide Bluetooth Smart Notifications while also running and recording heart rate? The obvious reason is so I can see who is calling during my runs without getting my phone out.

    Thanks!

  128. Néstor

    It seems Suunto has a problem.
    (As a Suunto Ambit 1 damnified)…

  129. Walid Neaz

    Are we able to retroactively link the individual activities for past triathlon races in Garmin Connect to obtain the consolidated view?

    • No, you’ll need to just re-upload the file. For the FR310XT/910Xt, those files are sitting on your computer. For the Fenix2, they’re sitting there.

  130. Brent Kendall

    Hopeuflly the 920XT will help encourage Suunto to add better activity tracking support to the Ambit 3.

    I really like the new size of the 920XT. Does it feel ok wearing as a day to day watch or is it awkward?

    • +1 on this Brent.I own an Ambit3, and the activity tracker is totally useless as of today. No step counting, nothing on Movescount.I still have my Fitbit One under my pants belt.Just hoping that Mr Suunto will include the steps counting in a future firmware…..

  131. walter

    Ugh frustrating. .I literally have a Fenix2 on hold to pick up today.
    A few questions that would help a great deal!
    The 920 out of the box works seamlessly w both Ios and Android? I really wanted text over the phone and would have to wait for a future update on the Fexix2 for Android support.

    I am looking for a watch for tri specific work..would you and would like to start training w one asap as my wife and I are doing the Miami half in a few weeks.
    W that said in your opinion would it be worth a long delay waiting for the 920 to be available?
    Gotta say I still am not fond of the mini toaster over look. .lol

    Thanks for helping man!

    Walt

  132. Kennet

    Do you think that we will see Cycling VO2Max in Garmin Edge devices in the future also? (I’m hoping for that in next Garmin Edge 810 FW update).

  133. Rob

    Couldn’t they have made the screen bigger and gotten rid of some of the “dead space” around the screen?

    • Matt B

      Likely $$ and Battery Life. The screen component would cost more, also require more processing power for higher resolution, so possibly needing a more powerful chipset (speculation on the second part).
      Battery life would also be decreased as the screen size grew. 24 hours (40 on ultratrac) is pretty darn good and great upsell to current 910xt owners with 18-20 hours. The screen sizes are approximately the same 910xt = 33x20mm (660mm2) and 920xt = 29x21mm (609mm2) — so about 10% smaller.

    • Rob

      I wasn’t trying to complain about it…just an observation. Sort of like what Timex did with their TRT 2.0 and that “GPS” label along the side.

    • Drew

      More than likely what is behind that “dead space” are the GPS antennas, accelerometers, battery, etc. They are packing a lot into a small device & the screen is only a small piece of it.

      Even most smartphones have to have borders.

  134. Stephen

    I always top up my 620 charge on the USB after each run which allows the sync with Garmin Connect to happen without WiFi or Ant+ (well, without the hardware dongle). Will this still be the case?

    I would have thought the Glonass support would be a real biggie. Adding Glonass next to GPS should improve accuracy markedly and reduce track “bounce” as there are effectively 50 odd satellites to lock on to rather than the 24(ish) of GPS alone.

    It looks great, although I use a Mio for HR as the Garmin HRM rips a hole in my chest over long runs, so I will continue to miss out on vert osc and ground contact. Small price to pay! I put the MIO on the same wrist as the 620 and it works in the water quite happily.

    thanks for your effort. I looked for Garmin at the Berlin Marathon expo (HUGE) hoping to see the 920 but no Garmin at all. Any reason?

    cheers
    Stephen (Billywillinga, Australia)

    • brian mc

      Stephen – Have you tried a band aid on your HRM chest strap? I too got a nasty rash in the middle of my chest, till I tried this. I learned this from DC rainmaker. Have a look on this website for more info. Works a treat,no more nasty red itchy marks and surprisingly the band aid still looks great after several machine washes.

      Re Berlin – I think it might have just been too early. Will probably be a few units at the Chicago Expo, and probably even more at NYC next month – Probu N America is the most important market for Garmin.

    • Stephen

      Hi Brian
      yep, tried the bandaid as recommended by DC but still a nice divot at the end of long runs. Perhaps my chest topology is a bit bony :)

      Thought as much for Berlin, but have ordered one regardless.

      Still interested if the addition of GLONASS will actually improve accuracy or will it be “either/or” and therefore no change to accuracy?
      cheers
      Stephen
      Billywillinga

  135. Gabe

    This looks perfect for me. I had quite a few issues with the Fenix 2 and despite the occasional backpacking trip, I don’t think the additional hiking features were totally necessary.

    I’m interested in the additional GPS accuracy. What does GLONASS do or mean? Does anyone know? If it’s so helpful why would it be something that turns on and off rather than just always on?

    • Dom

      More satellites give you better location accuracy, let you regain lock more quickly after going through a tunnel, and give better performance in urban canyons or on a mountainside.
      On the other hand, if you’re running across a flat open plain, the extra satellites won’t give you significantly more accuracy, so no real need to keep it turned on. I have seen specs that show GPS+GLONASS chips need more power than equivalent GPS-only chips, but I don’t know whether a GPS+GLONASS chip which was only using GPS satellites would use less power in that mode; it may be that you take a battery life hit by using GLONASS.

    • Dom

      Oh, and GLONASS is the Russian satellite navigation system which you can use in parallel with GPS.

    • Gabe

      Thanks. That’s very helpful. I had the Fenix 2, but kept having satellite issues. Maybe it was a bad unit, but I’m hoping this extra layer will make a difference. Looks like a great watch.

    • tom

      Probably not a bad unit unless there are many bad units, including mine out there :(
      GLONASS (as I understand it) kicks in when the chipset does not find enough GPS-satellites to lock on to. I’ve done some testing on my phone (which supports GLONASS) and it usually locks on to 9 GPS satellites and 3 GLONASS. I am hoping that better designed antenna and the addition of GLONASS will make a big difference but I will defnitely wait for this to be tested before I decide.

    • Gabe

      I returned the fenix(2nd one) and was going to use my phone and a heart rate monitor, but it really isn’t any better and just a bunch of issues with that. It seems like the tri watch is very established and even if there are some issues to start that they’ll be worked out.

  136. Chris

    Currently using the 310xt with limited power output display. Specifications for the 920XT don’t mention much regarding potential power meter functionality other than it ‘supports it.’

    Any information on live recording/displaying of Intensity Factor, TSS, etc. display or any of the other heavy hitter power meter readings?

  137. Tim

    Internal temp sensor (i.e. Edge series or Fenix), Tempe support?

  138. tezet

    “… as well as now shows cumulative lap times.”

    Finally!

    Any change in tracking PRs within longer activities?

  139. Drew

    Are the holes on the sides between the buttons and on the face between the buttons cosmetic, or do they serve a purpose? I’m curious how they can have those openings and still have the watch be waterproof.

  140. Chris H.

    Ray,

    Quick question as I’m planning on getting this device. Does the indoor swim mode work like the Garmin Swim I’ll be replacing? By that I mean it uses an accelerometer to determine “laps” due to the speed increase of kicking off the wall? Will I loose any features in the 920 that I have had with the Garmin Swim?

    I’ve got a Garmin Swim and a Forerunner 220. Curious what I’d be loosing functionality wise that would hinder my training moving to a 920XT

    • Yes, identical to that of Garmin swim. No loss of features in 920XT over Garmin Swim (only gains).

    • Chris H.

      Thanks for taking the time to respond! Looks like it’s time to sell the old Forerunner 220 and Swim devices haha

    • david

      this may be a silly question, but as i use a finis tempo trainer (swimming metronome) when doing my swimming intervals, are you able to use the metronome in the 920xt when swimming to stick to a particular pace? ps, awesome review DC!!

    • Will

      Hi Ray,

      Does it mean that 920XT is able to set the swimming pool size under 20mts or establish the 33 1/3 mts as in the Garmin swim?

      This is one of the huge drawbacks of the 910xt and Garmin support states its not in the roadmap to provide an update. How can you spend such money in a top gadget and don’t get updates?

      BTW thanks for your reviews. You changed the way I do sports. Discovered the 910xt and the Finus Neptune…which makes swimming a pleasure. Keep the great work!

    • Correct, it can go to 17m-150m/18y-150y.

      Thanks!

  141. VVK

    Ray, please compare navigation against Fenix 2. What are we missing apart from no maps upload to 920XT? Can you still upload routes? The Garmin site says no , but if i understood your preview correctly it is still possible, please confirm.

  142. Enrique

    Thanks for you’re always top-notch reviews.

    Is a music app such as Spotify possible?

  143. Tyler

    Ability to create custom swim workouts (besides the Drill/Interval feature)?

    • No, not at this point.

    • Luca

      Hi Ray,
      great contents as usual.
      Can you be more specific on the matter please?
      Always on the swim side can the metronome function be activated in lap swimming and open water mode?
      Thanks in advance
      Luca

    • As in you can’t go onto Garmin Connect and create a swim workout to transfer back to the device like you can for running/cycling.

      The metronome is not available in the swim modes. I’ll ask why.

    • Christian C

      I’m also interested on having the metronome feature enabled on the swim modes–this will help a lot in training my stroke rate.

  144. CF

    Ray, the 910XT’s “Courses” feature remains horribly broken with Garmin refusing to fix it after years. The screen could not draw the course fast enough, and the unit will ultimately lock up and/or shut itself off. This is a widely reported problem on the Garmin Forums, but their staff have never acknowledged it. I am shocked that they included this feature on the 920XT after failing to do it correct on the previous model.

    Please take some extra time to validate that this feature works as advertised for your full review.

  145. Gary P

    Ray

    I’m in the UK, can i still order via Clever Training and get the 920 shipped to the UK when it becomes available?
    I realise i’ll have the wrong power connector and have to pay extra shipping but the UK Garmin site does not even have pre-order, it just says ‘Available Qtr 4 2014’

    Based on the above Is it likely that all back orders in the US will get cleared before the unit becomes available in the UK?

  146. John

    Just a note on screen size, you say it’s about the same as the 910 but looking at your photo it’s noticeably smaller. Checking the specs confirms this, roughly ~9% smaller.

    Sorry if this it nitpicking but for someone with issues reading small print etc.. the trend towards smaller displays (even if they’re sharper) isn’t so great.

  147. What do you mean no small ponies?! Dealbreaker!Bad Garmin!Bad!

  148. Phil B

    Hey Ray, any thoughts on what will happen to the price of the 910xt? Right now there is only a $50 difference between the the 920 & 910.

    • Typically speaking you see it teeter a bit, and then slowly get pulled off of MAP (Minimum Advertised Price), at which point retailers can sell it for anything they’d like. So my guess is you might see $299US soon (910XT), and then perhaps by Christmas once FR920XT catches up in stock, you’ll see them pull it off MAP, at which point I’d suspect that it might drop to the low 200’s, around the price of the Ambit2S at $220US. Of course, just my guess following past patterns.

  149. Charlotte

    This is a great review! Thank you!!

    Do you know if with the fact that the 920 has a lot of the 910 and Vivofit capabilities, if the GarminConnect or the 910 would get better about painting the full picture? I have both the 910 and Vivofit and the data gathered from each seems to be kept disparate.

    I have such small wrists, wearing the 920 on a daily/nightly basis, especially in the corporate world, is not comfortable and not always an option. The Vivofit is super comfortable and with all the different colored bands, I can usually coordinate it with my work attire. Also if Garmin will start making more fashion friendly bands as some of the other fitbit makers have.

    • Yes, that’s the specific goal of the item I discuss in the Garmin Connect changes section, where you can choose which data comes from what device. My understanding is that’s being rolled out today.

  150. 12go34

    Until they find a way to collect heart rate information without the use of that gangly strap thing, I’m not in the market. Intel’s Basis watch is getting close, but functionality and size-wise, is also out of the picture.

    • Tim Grose

      If that is important you could also buy a wrist HR (I have a Mio) and pair it to the 920.
      I am not convinced those non “strap thngs” work as well yet and anyway they seem to lack ability to record R-R HR data meaning that a lot of features like recovery advisor and even calories won’t work properly.

  151. MAS

    Great specs…I was almost set on the Ambit 3 but this is definitely interesting….Apart from swimming and cycling, I’m looking for a watch to use for Cross country skiing. Which of these two watches would you feel would best cope with the needs of this sport? Perhaps the GPS accuracy is the most distinguishing feature there?
    In terms of build, how does the 920XT shape up to the Ambit3?

    Many thanks for all this great info…..

  152. David

    I have another 910XT bug that I would like for you to test. See if the per-lap stoke information is correct when doing an Open Water Swim, with Auto-Lap enabled. I often set the auto-lap for 500m, then go swim 2000-3000 meters (turning around every 500 meters so I don’t get too far from my starting point). But my strokes per lap are wrong for every lap but the first. I first reported this to Garmin in October 2012. They keep insisting they cannot duplicate the problem. (I actually just talked with them yesterday).

    • David

      Ray, if possible, could you enable auto-lap on your next open water swim to test this?
      – Thanks

  153. James Huxford

    NEED, that is all!

    please don’t give this a bad review when you do the full test, I love my 910 and will most defiantly be upgrading to this unless you s;ate it. If that happens i dont know what i will do.

  154. Hiram

    You said that the daily activity monitor tracks daily steps, step goals, distance walked, calories burned, and sleep. What about cycling, time seated, time stand up? something like the polar V800 activity tracker capabilities?

    • No, those aren’t in the lineup today from Garmin. I’d expect if they added that, it’d probably be across the board to all Vivo-capable products (i.e. Vivofit, Vivosmart, FR920XT, FR15, etc…).

  155. Jeremy

    I like the size and weight. The factor preventing me from getting tri specific watches has always been that the watch oddly too big. I have the FR220 and it looks not much bigger.

    I’m not that excited about the color choices though. Would have liked something without color like the 910xt, just simple and elegant. It would be a shame if Garmin marketers start to go the way of running shoe design.

    Looking forward to the in-depth review.

  156. Drew

    Since the 920 is not touchscreen, is the screen made of glass (not likely), hardened plastic (hopeful), or pliable plastic like the 620?

    My 620 screen has gotten several deep scratches because the plastic is not as scratch resistant as glass or hardened plastic.

  157. Jennifer

    Thanks for the review!

    Does the 920xt give options for custom pool lengths greater than 100m?

  158. Sean

    Is the rest mode for swimming automatic (like the finis swimsense) or do you manually have to press a button for rest in between intervals.

  159. oh I am going to want to see the Google analytics of this post after a month… I saw the email from Garmin and came right here since we all knew you had one :-)

    I do have a question on the Di2 integration… you indicated it is not there, any word if this is planned?

    To your post on the EDGE 1000 I am really interested in this comment you had in your review “Ultimately, the real interest here for many, specifically time-trialists and triathletes, is the ability to have a set wattage (perhaps from a pre-defined race plan) and for the gearing to automatically maintain the correct/optimal gearing based on that plan.” this seems to be the killer app for a power meter for me and would drive me to get both the power meter and a 920…oh and a new bike.

    • They’re a bit mum on Di2, but it sounds like they’re open to feedback there. I’d prefer them just collect the data for now, and sort out the display aspects later. Some cool 3rd party sites with that data.

      As for the automated gearing…hang tight. 😉

    • Luke

      I am a huge fan of the DCR hint that is part “guys, stop asking” and part “something cool is coming down the pipeline”

  160. Ken

    Hi Ray. Is the older bike/cadence sensor used for the 910xt compatible with the 920xt? I gathered from your review the answer is yes, yet the Garmin site shows a new sensor with the old one not showing on the list of compatible accessories. Thanks for your reviews!!!

  161. Bem Jones-Bey

    Thanks for the great review!

    When you do the full review, I would be curious to know how fast the track drawing is compared to the 910XT. If I’m on a really long trail run, I find that the track mode can be so slow on the 910XT as to be almost useless. I’d really like to know if it’s faster on the 920XT.

    • The loading of a map can take a few seconds (you’ll see in the video I’ll be posting), but once loaded the re-draw when zooming in/out is instant.

  162. susan

    I have the 910 and use the quick release. Will that work on this new version? Or will I need a new QR?

  163. Sean

    Hi Ray,

    Maybe you have an answer to this. I’ve tried contacting Garmin through their forums, Facebook and Twitter.

    Garmin Connect updated on iOS 8 for HealthKit support, however there doesn’t actually seem to be any. Do you know if all activities on GC will transfer to HealthKit (e.g., a run or cycle recorded on my 310xt) or only those that can be transferred directly onto the iPhone?

    Thanks! I love your reviews and appreciate all of the hard work you do!

    • No, it’s at this point just Vivo related details, such as steps/sleep/etc… So only those directly from the iPhone.

      As the Wahoo Fitness guys noted, the Health Kit API’s are evolving on a near daily basis, so companies are kinda trying to react in real time. I think it’s promising that Garmin was putting something in Health Kit in the first week of it opening up (or, attempting to anyway). I suspect that’s just the beginning as they and others get their bearings.

    • Olu

      I’ve only got Active calories, Steps, Walking+Running Distance transferring to Health Kit at the moment. No sleep or cycling distance.

    • Correct. This post a short bit ago from the Garmin Connect team explains their current/future Health Kit integration plans: link to forums.garmin.com

  164. zero0db

    From Fenix2 only changes are Cycling VO2 and Wi-Fi connectivity with less battery. This unit is over priced than F2. It seems unjustifiable. Color screen is a feature that’s not desired in multi field display watches under bright sun while wearing sunglasses.

    • …and…

      Daily activity tracker (Steps/Sleep/etc…)
      Concurent ANT+/Bluetooth Smart support (so ANT+ support in Live Tracking)
      Virtual Racer (Racing an activity)
      Metronome
      Activity Profiles (thus effectively bike profiles)
      Garmin Connect IQ support (thus, apps)

      All features the Fenix2 doesn’t have. Also, the photos were all taken in bright sunlight, really no issue there. Far easier than Fenix2 (and slightly easier than Fenix2SE).

    • zero0db

      Thanks. Any updates on Garmin connect app on Android/Apple? Curious to know how that would work with IQ. Also, the color scheme of the straps is pretty ugly. I checked garmin site and the blue/green alternative they have is even more horrible.

    • It’s on iOS/Android today. Or do you mean something else?

    • Bernardo

      The ones that I will miss on F2:

      Daily activity tracker (Steps/Sleep/etc…)
      Concurent ANT+/Bluetooth Smart support (so ANT+ support in Live Tracking)
      Activity Profiles (thus effectively bike profiles)

      I can live with out the other…

    • zero0db

      Ability to change display settings on watch from phone (similar to Ambit3) and vice versa.

    • No, that’s not there, only on the unit itself (which, conversely, the Ambit3/V800 don’t have). As noted in the post, hopefully one day all three watches will allow both methods.

    • Steven M Knapp

      I assume independent HR zones for Run and Bike, a feature lacking on the F2.

    • VVK

      Ray
      How about routes on Fenix 2 vs 920XT? Could you, perhaps in the full review, describe what Fenix 2 has that 920XT doesn’t? I can leave without the Fenix 2 maps but routes are essential for any GPS watch I buy.

    • Yup, I’ll dive into the routing & navigational piece in more detail in the full review. As well as try to circle back on some of those questions here on this post in the next few days as I get the final unit in to validate things*.

      (Many features and functions change over the course of beta, hence why I’m hesitant to state things in that area until I can 100% validate them on a prod unit/software).

    • RE: HR zones, yes, separate HR zones for bike/run, and also power zones.

  165. Miro Lehky

    I was reading on another tech site that the 920xt display is NOT LCD, but is color e-Ink technology (electrophoretic display). Basicly its an advanced version of the technology used in the original Kindle readers (before they went to making them true tablets).

    That is how they managed to increased the battery life so much. Another big benefit is e-Ink is that its fully sunlight readable.

    Really looking forward to getting my hands on one.

  166. “The new activity view [Garmin Connect] allows you to see your triathlon as a single activity”

    SWEET!!!! Triathlon is officially a sport. — Keep up the great work!!!

  167. erik

    I just purchased a Suunto Ambit 3 but was hoping they would have a better daily tracker. Should I sell my Ambit 3 and peruse the the 920xt?

  168. Dan

    Any idea if the HRM-RUN hardware in the chest strap has the capacity to measure accelerations in three dimensions?

    • Miro Lehky

      Concidering the run dynamic metrics include up/down and left/right … it would be very safe to assume that the HRM-Run has the capacity to measure accelerations in three dimensions.

    • Tipo Gemma

      No I would say< two dimensions – time dimension and vertical movement – ground contact time is in my opinion only calculated part from vertical movement (time where no vertical movement happens).
      Plus heart rate.

    • Miro Lehky

      Looks like your are right. L/R is with the Wahoo Tickr, i was thinking Garmin had the same metrics.

  169. Tom

    Looking forward to the full review. Please, if possible, do an even more thorough check of the GPS than usual, considering the extremely poor performance of both the 620 and Fenix 2.
    Really hoping Garmin have resolved this especially now when GLONASS is supported.

  170. James

    Ray,
    Thanks again for all of your hard work. I just place my order on Clever and looking forward to getting it. :-)

  171. giorgitd

    The integrated triathlon view on Connect seems interesting. But no love for those of us rocking classic Garmin triathlon hardware, i.e. FR305?

    • I believe it’s because the FR305 lacks the .FIT file, which this is likely based upon. That said, I’d definitely be curious to hear from a FR305 owner that tries to see what happens.

  172. Storchen

    Although looks are not of primary importance on a device like this, it’s clear that once again the designer at Garmin has gone awol. Terribly disappointing :(

  173. Tipo Gemma

    As I recently baught a FR 910XT with is quite ok I will wait for 2 years. Until this I hope all flaws will be fixed on the 920XT. Good as I don’t need the BT phone connection as well no WLAN sync.
    But the watch looks better than the 910XT.

  174. Nate Thompson

    Apologies if I missed this somewhere in the review (or the comments), but can you comment on the screen material and durability? My 620 got a pretty nasty scratch on it, and I’m hoping this watch will be a little more rugged.

  175. Anthony Anicete

    Bummer on the no ant wt. scale support.

  176. Claus

    Yuck – just looked at some danish sites who had early pricing. – They want close to 800$ for the one with HR strap. But the BT/wireless transfer is almost enough to justify purchasing it.

  177. Pierre

    Hi, good as always.
    I have one question regarding customizing the different profiles/custom fields.
    As I understand from your text it is still the same as 910, that you make all your settings on the watch instead of, like polar, on your computer.
    Do you think that it would be possible with Connect IQ to write an app to customize it outside the watch?

    • No, not from the phone at this point. On the flip side, keep in mind that Polar/Suunto don’t permit you to change it on the device. Someday everyone will permit both options I hope.

      As for Connect IQ changing the fields, I don’t think that’ll be permitted. I’ll have to read through the SDK documents.

  178. Cliff

    Would really like a quick comparison of the 920xt against the Ambit3 Sport. I have the Ambit3 and just pre-ordered this one… can’t wait.

    • erik

      Do you think this will be enough pressure to get Suunto to include a better daily tracking tool and step up and support Android users. I mean, there are a lot more Android users than IPhone fanboys out there. I even purchased the Galaxy s5 because it was highly water resistant.

    • Cliff

      Haha, sorry I should have been more specific. I use that comparison page all the time drooling over the many devices you test. I’m curious about real experience between the two being top contenders from each vendor.

    • It’s tough, I’ve gotta dig a bit more into the navigational features on the 920XT to see if there are any gotchya there. But, based on my use thus far I’m not seeing many (any?) cases where the Ambit3 Sport is a better option (unless you really want BLE sensors).

  179. Frederik

    Apologies if I missed it in some of the comments: If I want to take it on a hiking trip and utilize the altimeter, how long battery life should I expect?

    Thanks for an awesome preview.

    • 40 hours in Ultratrac mode (appropriate for hiking). Though, if you turn off GPS, usually it’s a heck of a lot longer. I’ll try and do some testing there for the in-depth review.

  180. Glajda

    Are we limited to swimming, biking and running activity profiles on the watch or can we use others too, for example mountaineering or small pony riding?

  181. Walter

    One consideration I have between the Fenix2 vs the 920 was trail use..primarily the “bread crumb” feature. Anything viable w the 920?

    I think if the the F2 will lack Garmin IQ support …as much as I hate to wait for a proper training watch, I may just have to hold out for the 920.
    Did I catch that correctly re likely no IQ ?

    And finally it would appear that even if ** android smart phone support was added later for the F2..if you were in theoretically Ant+ mode cycling for speed/cad ect..you’d receive no notifications as Bluetooth is disabled?

    Thinking I may be calling my running store to cancel my F2 purchase..ugh

    • Yes, the FR920XT has a breadcrumb trail when you enable map view.

      As for the Fenix2 and Connect IQ, no, there are no plans to get it. Only new watches going forward.

      As for Android phone for the Fenix2…it’s been there since summer. But as for your second half, with the Fenix2 in ANT+ mode you won’t get notifications. With the FR920XT, you will, as it does both concurrently.

  182. Christina

    I currently have a 310XT, and am looking to upgrade….I was going to go with the 910XT, but now I’m wondering if I should just save up the extra and go for the new 920XT? My biggest complaint about the 310 is that I can’t wear it on my wrist to get accurate OWS distance (have to put it in my cap and then transfer to my wrist for the bike, which slows down my T1 time), and no support for lap swimming. I also REALLY like the idea of using the watch as a fitness tracker and watch, as well (I’ve had my eye on the vivofit for a while now).

    I do have an opportunity to get a “like new” 910XT (bought in june and used only 3 times), but she’s looking to get at least $300-350 out of it….since the 920 is now out, I was thinking of offering her $200-250, as the 910 is now an outdated unit.

    I’m definitely in no hurry – just would like to upgrade by Feb or so before my training ramps up for my 70.3 in June.

    So, anyway…thoughts? Jump on the “like new” 910XT now, or order the 920XT in Dec with my Christmas money?

    • The 910XT is old enough that its still slow to acquire satellites compared to the current wave of GPS watches – like 1-2 minutes even if you don’t change location. It doesn’t bother me that much (I love my 910XT) because I’ve grown accustomed to it and have workarounds (setting it outside before a run, etc). Being able to just grab it and go with near instant acquisition would be a big reason in and of itself to go for the 920 IMO.

  183. Tyler Byars

    Hey do you ever add people as a friend on garmin connect or no? I think that i sent you a friend request a while back. I’d kinda like to see some of the workouts that you do

    • Not quite yet. I’m in a bit of a pickle in that posts like these make it tough for me to add without accidentally posting undisclosed information due to a random workout. It’s on my list to figure out a process there (it’s mostly just a process thing).

    • @Tyler – you should follow him on Strava, I enjoy seeing some of the “unusual” places where DCR has his workouts!

    • Yes, the next 30 days should offer some interesting spots in numerous hemispheres to watch for on Strava.

  184. Kasper Grufstedt

    Hi Ray!

    Is Auto pause working great. I have a garmin 310xt and when i am indoor for a short stop the time and speed start running. I also have an egde 500 and that does NOT have that problem. I am bike messenger in Copenhagen and it would be easier to have a watch on the arm instead of keep taking the garmin edge 500 on and of the bike all day. I Hope you answer the Q. Thanks for a great blog! Yours faithfully Kasper Grufstedt

  185. Greg Hamm

    Hey Ray,

    This watch looks great and filled with features. What do you think of 3G connectivity? I know the Timex has their Ironman watch with the feature and just makes it so a phone doesn’t have to be present, which makes sense for running. Is this where the market should be? I know hardware could be limiting for design convenience…It just seems like a watch like this from Garmin should have this kind of feature?

    Anyways, still a great watch. Love to have one. Thanks for all you do!

    • I’m optimistic we’ll see it in the next generation 2-3 years from now. I think Garmin will be forced to.

      That said, I had a good chat about it with the Garmin crew last week at the ANT+ Symposium. Their main issues are really around certification and such. They talked about what a nightmare it was on the GTU10 for such things, years in process for international certifications for many countries.

      Which, are valid and something that Timex is partially sidestepping by only getting US certification initially. And players like Bia are completely sidestepping and only getting US as well (per my understanding). This means while the devices work elsewhere (assuming the cellular provider enables it), they aren’t legally supposed to be there.

      So for someone like Bia, they can most likely get away with it because nobody cares to chase after them. But with Garmin, they’re too big – and people will care if they don’t follow the rule to a ‘t’.

  186. AlexN

    Ray, thank you for the review once again. I just order mine to Clever Training, so now I need to wait until November in the mean time I will continue to use my Fenix 2 SE or my 910xt. Once again, thank you.

  187. Peter K

    Watch looks awesome, will be getting as soon as it lands in the UK!

    On the Garmin Connect Triathlon view- how do you get it to show up for current triathlons already in Connect? do we need to re-import??

    Cheers as always for excellent first look!

    • It appears for only newly created activities posted after today around 12PM Eastern Time. I just tried re-uploading an older Fenix2 activity from this summer (multisport) to see if it’d show up as a multisport one. I’m not quite clear where it went though after I uploaded it. Sorta vanished. Be curious if others have success re-uploading an older multisport file.

      I did have success creating a new multisport file just as a quick test though, and it shows up nicely.

    • Peter K

      Thanks Ray, As you say I deleted the separate activities from last weekends tries and re-imported and shows up great in new multi sport view… Perhaps a word in Garmins shell like to suggest auto (or even semi auto) grouping of old events could be helpful?!?

    • Chris

      I was able to upload three multisport files, dating back to July 12th of this year, but *only after* deleting the old files from Garmin connect. I then re-uploaded them directly from the watch (Fenix 2) using the import button on the Garmin connect activities page.

  188. Rob

    Is the heart rate strap with run dynamics from Fenix2 the same? That way I could get the base model and save 50 dollars

  189. Pre-ordered at Clever. (Your code didn’t work there so I doubt they’ll know it was from you though). I love my Tactix battery life but the lack of wifi upload is super annoying since I have bluetooth off and just use the USB cable and Training Peaks Device Agent. Looking forward to testing this.

    • Thanks Troy for the support!

      As for the code, for the FR920XT at manufacture request, you’d need to use the DCR Clever Training VIP program instead. It only takes a second and details are here: link to dcrainmaker.com

      If you simply ring up (or e-mail) Clever Training they’ll take care of you and credit back the 10% and get you all hooked up.

      Cheers.

  190. Chris Koboldt

    Thanks for work great work, Ray. Random photo request #983: I’d love to see a side shot of the 920 on it’s quick release band (after you get it Friday) to get an idea of the added height.

  191. Tracy

    Thanks for the preview Ray. This watch looks great so far. Can you tell me if the instant pace is better than it is on the 620? Does it display in 5 second increments like the 620? Sounds like the gps track will be much better on this model too!!

    • Tonight on the run, instant pace was very smooth. I was running about 6:30/mile, and just had instant pace on, and it was staying pretty much there. Slowed a bit when I went up a hill, but not whacky. I’ll grab videos this weekend.

      And yes, like FR620 with 5s increments.

  192. mahmod

    Thanks ray
    Hrv -rr was the main factor of new watch,go for v800 or wait to depth review (920xt)???

  193. maxbre

    Ciao Ray and thank you for the pre-review, awesome as always…
    Pleae let us non-americans know where we to buy to support your work!
    Grazie!

  194. Karl Watanabe

    Well I went ahead and pre-ordered the 920xt using the vip 10% discount. I’m actually one of the lucky ones with a good 620 and a great 910. Sure hope the 920 matches up with both of them.

  195. Philipp

    Hi Ray,

    thanks for the preview! Two questions:

    1) It’s said that there is cadence measuring from the HR strap and wrist (watch). If you have both on what would be the source for cadence? I guess the HR strap?
    2) The metronome feature is it only via sound or also via vibrating?

    Thanks again for a first a glance on the watch!
    Philipp

    • Karl Watanabe

      The HRM cadence will take over if both are on. At least that’s what they tell me about my 620. I’ve never known how to prove it though. I guess maybe if I ran on a treadmill and left the watch on a stationary platform.

    • Chris Koboldt

      Similarly, running outside pushing a stroller wearing the 620 and HRM-Run provides good cadence data, which seemingly must come from the HRM, as my watch hand stays fairly static on the stroller.

  196. Stephen Cousins

    Hi Ray

    Noticed you said ‘Hang Tight’ with regard to supporting you and getting the discount when buying the 920. Do you have anything more on this? Otherwise I’ll just buy direct from Garmin UK in November.

    Thanks

    • Nothing more at the moment, but working through some stuff related to European folks and local options. Should be good!

      And while I’d like to say it’d be tomorrow, there’s a lot of red tape that is being slowly cut through.

  197. Matt

    Would be interesting if you could test the course functionality. As a trail runner, this was one of the reasons I got the 910 – but it turned out to be serioulsy buggy, with some bugs never fixed.

    • Tim Grose

      I’ve had good experience with short running courses to date. That said it’s not really a device for “navigating” as you only really get a breadcrumb trail to follow.

    • Matt

      Thanks for the reply. I find a breadcrumb to be good enough usually as long as I’m on a pre-planned route, which I usually am. Then it’s just about getting the right turn at the right time in unknown territory, without having to stop and look at the map or smartphone.

      It will be interesting to see what comes out of Connect IQ in terms of navigation apps. I guess it won’t be long before you get a ton of OpenStreetMap-based navigation apps. Hope to get some time playing around with that myself soon.

  198. Jay

    Is it possible to edit Workouts (or Quick Workouts) “on the fly”? Example: I would set up a Quick Workout to say be a 4:00min run, 0:30min walk in the Workout mode, with numerous repeats for a race. Often I would want to “change” this on the fly during the run, but the 910xt would not allow any changes once the workout began, forcing you to stop the workout, reset, and start again (not a fun thing to do while racing). Thanks!

    • Yes, you can create a quick workout on the fly with those parameters, but you can’t change it mid-way through.

      For what you’re looking for though you actually want Run/Walk mode, which is on the watch and perfect for that scenario since it goes on forever.

    • Jay

      Thanks. Run/Walk works; however, I have two issues with it: 1) The beep type/duration is not long enough and is easy to miss … the Interval workouts are perfect as it gives you five seconds of tones and I can physically see the countdown to the next interval. 2) I race with a specific pace during the run segment. Raw Pace is not accurate enough so I use Lap Pace. I’d have to manually hit Lap to do that with the run/walk alert. Not a showstopper … was just hoping that Garmin allowed Interval Workout changes “on the fly”.

    • An ideal solution to this would be to have the “number of intervals” portion of the configuration include an “unknown” choice. Right now you use the lap button to move from warmup to intervals, you could then use the manual lap button to move from intervals to cooldown. Wouldn’t be that hard to implement and would keep their interface consistent.

  199. Doug

    Nice review.

    What happened to the New Leaf metabolic profiles? I searched the 920’s owner’s manual and found no reference to them.

    Does the 920 have an alternative calibration process for calorie measurement?

    Thanks.

    • New Leaf basically went out of business. So Garmin stopped putting support for it in the FR620 forward.

      While Lifetime did purchase New Leaf, they haven’t done anything with it, so it’s somewhat of a dead end.

  200. Mendy

    Ray – thanks for the great review.

    I just bought the Fenix 2 (and am a triathlete)…its still in the box. I’m also a bit of a tech junky (know anyone like that?) and the inclusion of BTLE and ANT+ concurrently (over my Fenix) and the ConnectIQ (will that come to Fenix2?), is awesome but, all thing being equal, is it worth the upgrade? (keep in mind i paid $302 for my bundle)…

  201. robert

    As always, the quintessential review…the croissants must be helping.

    Meh, no bottle opener?

  202. Will R

    I’m so excited about this. The metronome functionality is so simple and great, it has been on my wish list for my 620 since I got it. Will certainly be picking one of these up as soon as I can.

  203. David

    Can add basically unlimited pages to different activity profiles (a la fenix 2)? And access all the different metrics and scramble them any which way you want on those pages? Sorry if I’ve missed this already covered somewhere else on the page. Thanks!

    • “There are 4 fully configurable data screens per activity profile that can each have up 1 to 4 data fields each. There is a Clock screen that can be enabled or disabled; there is a Map screen that can be enabled or disabled; there is Virtual Partner screen that is enabled or disabled depending on its setting as well as other features that may be in use (such as Set a Target or Race an Activity).

      In Running there is a Running Dynamics screen that may be present if an HRM-Run is present or may also be disabled even if an HRM-Run is in use. There is a Workout/Interval screen that is enabled when you follow a planned workout or interval set. In Pool Swimming there is a Rest screen and a Drill Log screen that may be enabled; the Rest screen is context dependent, of course. So, the number you’re looking for depends on the profile in use.”

      (Handy little text snippet courtesy the FR920XT team on an e-mail I had with them)

    • 6co2000

      Hello Ray
      Great review as always!
      I want to have only one data field per screen as I run, will that make the font bigger? like filling the whole screen like on FR610?
      thx
      6co

    • It’s bigger, though, not crazy big. You can see some pics of it mid-way through this section, on my wrist: link to dcrainmaker.com

  204. Tyler

    I appreciate all of the insight you provide, and the timely feedback.

    I’m just wondering if you know why they limited the size of the display so much within the face/bezel of the watch.
    A huge amount of real estate devoted to borders/argyle print/Garmin logo.

    A little bummed to see the display reduced from the 910, and the font seems less readable at a glance, imo.

    • It’s where the antenna is (loops around the outside edge), among other things. So instead of a screen, there’s other components of the watch. Those components went somewhere when the watch was further slimmed down.

    • Tyler

      Ah, I had assumed the antenna was still in the down angled part (where the start/lap buttons are) like in the old 305.
      Was wondering how they managed that with the buttons.

  205. brian mc

    Do you think any of the new running features and fitness tracker will be available via an update to the 620? It’s only been for around 12 months, but it is looking “old” compared to this! Or do you think these features will be available on a 630, which will probably be out in the next 12-18 months?

    • Tim Grose

      Most of the running features have come from the 620. Which do you mean?
      It’s been previously discussed that the 620 hardware would not work as an activity tracker.

  206. Sebastian

    Awesone, want one! Had the 310xt and now 910xt, wonderful gadgets with one major hardware “bug”: i am hating garmin’s HR straps. using the polar ones with garmin sensor. DC, is that still possible with the new device 920xt? greetings from austria, sebastian

    • Yup, that still works. You won’t get Vertical Oscillation and Ground Contact Time (without the HRM-RUN), though, you could put the HRM-RUN pod into the Polar strap.

    • Mike

      Is it the same HRM-RUN that’s been around for a while now or is this a NEW type HRM-RUN w/ the 920XT?
      Guess what I’m getting at is could you use your current HRM-RUN that you use with your Fenix2?

    • Same one. And yup, you can use the same one as the Fenix2. Same-same.

  207. zntrr

    How doe the HRM run analytics compare to what is being offered on the Tickr X?

    • It’s fairly similar. Check out my FR620 or Fenix2 review for more discussion on the Running Dynamics metrics (which came a few months prior to TICKR X). Ultimately they’re basically the same metrics.

  208. Michael Janssen

    What about multi-user (profile) support ?
    Would be nice to have on the FR devices (and even more important on an Edge)

  209. Ray – great initial write up, as always. I have a sizing question for you that I don’t see answered in any other questions you’ve responded to.

    I have an FR620 that I love, but wish the screen was a bit bigger for faster mid-run glances to get my stats. I had a Nike+ SportWatch and loved the massive main stat, but find I have to look at the FR620 longer to get the numbers I need due to size.

    It appears that the 920 screen isn’t really much bigger than the 620s, but perhaps being rectangular helps vs the circular 620. Since you’ve seen both, do you feel the readout is bigger on the 920 than the 620?

    That would be the lynch pin for me to make the switch and eBay my 620.

    While I’ve got you – is the red a nice, manly red, or is it more of a ladies color? I kinda like it, but want a good deep red more than a light red.

    THANKS!

    • The display font is definitely bigger on the FR920XT, just simply due to screen font.

      It’s more fire truck red than pink-red, so more manly than not (but perfectly fine for woman too).

    • Thanks! I ordered the black from CleverTraining (and got a VIP membership – thanks for the deals!). I literally had a dream last night that I should have gotten the white/red. How pathetic is it that I’m dreaming about this watch now?!?!

      Thanks again!

    • Thanks for the support Bryan!

  210. neil rosson

    Can you use a soft strap with this?
    This pretty much ticks all the boxes for me, I wish it was allot less ugly i’m really not sure what is going on with the design team at Garmin still stuck in the early 90s by the looks of things. The colour display somehow makes it look even more ugly imo. But i’m going to have to buy the damn thing.

  211. Long Run Nick

    Ray, once again a gem of a preview. Just ordered over on Clever Training. I am glad I have expendable income, if this stuff was coming out about 40 years ago, I wouldn’t have been able to afford it. Currently at 80,678 miles run. My 620 will go to my running Grandson, the Vivosmart to one of my daughters and the Basis may go to a friend I am attempting to get more active. Thanks again for all you do. Nick

  212. Tiago Ferrão

    The nerd in me just says “I WANT IT” but I am so frustrated with Garmin Support Service in Portugal, that i am definately leaving this line of products. (single tear drama scene)

  213. Daiel

    Wifi scale support? Could it be done thruw Connect IQ?

    • Not so much Connect IQ actually in this case, but rather you can do it today through MyFitnessPal actually. I’ll be posting on it shortly (next week). Or, you can just wander to the Garmin Forums and find the quick how-to there.

  214. VVK

    Hi Rey,
    I would appreciate if you could clarify the following:

    1) Compass. Garmin site says that 920XT has no Electronic compass, your site (in the comparison table) shows it has “Magnetic” compass.
    2) Routes. Garmin’s site shows that 920XT does not work with “routes” on your site you mention “Download courses/routes from phone to unit – YES”. How is that possible?
    3) Auto Lap®, Time/distance alert and Customizable screen(s) are shown on Garmin’s site as not supported on Fenix 2 but I am pretty sure they are as I have the watch. Or are this somehow different on 920XT?

    • Bernardo

      VVK, I note your points too, I think that GARMIN does not update Web Page info according to firmware updates.

    • 1) It’s true, it doesn’t have Electronic, but rather a Magnetic compass, which is better than Electronic. No idea why Garmin’s site isn’t showing magnetic, I’ll send a note over for them to correct (we just chatted about it yesterday, so I know it’s magnetic).

      2) It’s more of a terminology thing. I call them courses/routes because they’re basically the same thing and people get confused otherwise. Garmin officially splits them out whereby routes including stuff like ‘Turn left on Maple street’, which I put into a different category of “Turn by Turn Navigation”. This mostly comes from years of questions. 😉

      3) Yeah, that’s wrong on their site too. It’s pretty common for stuff to be wrong. I’ll send a note to that team too.

  215. Thank you for this detailed first review .After a FR15, I’ve bought one of the early Ambit3 available , and have been bitterly disappointed both by the product and the so called “customer support”. Since i don’t expect to see any improvement (activity/steps/sleep tracker, Android app, BT sensors debugging, etc) before decades ,the 920xt should be my birthday gift in january since it includes all my wishes.
    I will send you Haribo alligators as a happy christmas card :)

  216. azlie

    I find it unfortunate that the Garmin Running team is sticking to the ‘unconventional’ color schemes unlike the Outdoor team. Are they ever planning to offer more sedate colors for this (or the 620) in the future?

  217. Peter

    What kind of a charger is used here? Is it again something different/new just for this watch?
    Also – why Garmin doesn’t have 1 or only few charging set ups. Seems like that every new watch comes out w/a new charger set up?

    • It’s different. I think sometimes there’s valid reasons for different chargers – such as improvements. And yet for others it seems silly. For example, the FR220 and Fenix lineup are virtually identical – and with even a bit of force they actually do work with each other. Yet…they’re not exactly perfect. Go figure.

  218. Bob

    A bit off topic, but how do you get Garmin Connect to display the Multi-Sport display for a triathlon?

    • It’s only for newly uploaded activities as of about noon US Eastern today. But, if you still have the original .FIT file you can re-upload it and it’ll show up in the new format.

    • now you can download the original FIT file (from the swim part) and reupload it, it will sho in the layout (check my website for a quick tutorial)

  219. Sean

    Hi Ray,
    Thanks for all the real info that you provide.
    Question, the lack of weight scale support, is this likely in a software update?

  220. Jeremy

    Do you know if the auto-pause feature will work with indoor swimming pools like the Suunto Ambit3 and Finis Swimsense do? You said a while back the 910xt didn’t so I’m wondering if the new one will.

    If not, it seems like a big drawback compared to the Ambit3 for people who do lots of intervals and don’t want to press start/stop every time.

  221. Steve

    Will there be a triathlon kit? I didn’t see it on Clever Training.

    • Hey Steve-

      Just chatted with them, it should be up by the morning. They were waiting on the official imagery from Garmin to be able to list it. If you’re worried about snagging your place in line you can just order the 920XT now and then simply e-mail/call them in the morning and they’ll easily add in the quick release kit (including DCR discount).

      Thanks for the support!

    • Steve

      Ray,
      With whom did you speak at CT? I send them an email before originally posting on your site and I received a reply from Jennifer today stating the triathlon bundle is not available.

    • Hi Steve-

      I think there might be a tiny bit of confusion. With the FR920XT, there isn’t a full ‘triathlon bundle’ (like there was for the FR910XT). So, it’s the HRM-RUN bundle, or no bundle (just the base unit).

      There is additionally the Quick Release Kit,which is a separate accessory that you can add. But, Garmin doesn’t have a SKU at this point that has it all in one like past products (why, I have no idea).

      Hope this helps! Oh, and I just talked to them, and it should be up any moment I’m told. I’ll post back here as soon as I get the note.

      Thanks for the support!

    • And just like that, a moment is over. Quick release kit on Clever Training here: link to shareasale.com

      Thanks for the support!

    • Gabe

      Ray,

      Using these quick release mounts – would it be ideal to have a velco type band instead of the standard strap?

      fortunately i use my garmin edge 510 during the bike leg while in a triathlon.

  222. John

    One thing that I have always hated about this line, compared to the 610/620, Fenix, Ambits, and now the Polar v800, is the form factor of the watch and the screen. I have never been a fan of the quad screen. Wish they would have updated that to be vertically stacked.

  223. Yves Ruffel

    Thanks for all the time that you put in these reviews. Just wish you had posted a little hint that this Watch was coming out 5 weeks ago because I wouldn’t have bought the Fenix2. Got one from the 2QA series that have very poor accuracy (even sent Garmin a video of my 910xt, my Edge800 and the Fenix2 to show them how bad it was.) They are suppose to change it but I have to ship it to Raytech and heard from friends that the service isn’t really good there. I even ask Garmin if they would exchange my Fenix2 for the new 920xt

  224. Josh

    Side by side and wrist pics of 620 vs 920 please?

  225. Greg s

    You should do video unboxing and reviews as a way to see things in the real world and earn some ad revenue for the budding family. With the comment hoards like this watch you would get tons of views.

    Great preview! Your the tech hero for us triathletes

    • I actually did one for the Polar M400 last week in that review. Meant to do one for this unit, but just ran out of time. I’ll have one up on Friday for it though, probably a one-stop 4-7 minute walk through video.

      The only challenge with unboxing videos for me is that I take most of my unboxing photos while…unboxing. Thus that breaks the flow a bit. Perhaps on the second unit (my retail unit), I’ll do that via video. Hadn’t thought of that.

      Overall though, Youtube generally pays barely pennies compared to other mediums, so I try and focus my time as much as possible on getting quality reviews out. For something like a one-shot 4-7 minute video, that’s easy to do though without impacting other things.

  226. Matt B

    One more question for you: any possibility of the daily activity tracker utilizing the altimeter to get “flights” similar to the Fitbit One/Force? (As a future update as I’m almost sure it’s not currently included — since you have an open line of communication with the Garmin team, just seeing if that’s a possibility)

    • I haven’t heard of any discussion there at this point, though I’ve gotta believe it’s on their radar for the Vivo line in general. My suspicion would be that you’d see it added somewhere and probably backported into the 920XT down the road (if they did stairs).

    • Matt B

      Thanks for the info! I’ll keep my fingers crossed for a future update.

  227. robert

    Ray…if you were to required to chose today between the Garmin FR920XT Triathlon Watch or the Suunto Ambit 2S, which model would you go with and why?

    I love the features of the 920XT but as many commenters have stated, the cosmetic appearance of the watch, in my opinion, is cheap looking, dated and a turn off for a 24/7 watch. That being said, it’s functionality certainly helps overcome it’s overall appearance. But for the financial outlay versus the pricing of the Ambit 2s on Clever Training coupled with your promotional discount, do you feel the 920 XT is worth the extra money just to acquire the features being touted versus the Suunto Ambit 2s, less features? Perhaps in your case money may not be an issue but you strike me as one being practical, and do think of the wee people who may not have an unlimited discretionary funds in your final assessment of a product. What say ye?

    • I see those as two different markets. The Ambit2S is less than half the price of the FR920XT. It will, at least for the time being, remain my go-to suggestion for people looking to get into triathlon and wanting a watch. It’s a sweet deal at $219US.

      And ultimately, there are tons of people happy with that watch, and the functionality of devices before today. I’d really boil it down to whether or not you care about connectivity to the phone and apps. If not, save the cash.

  228. JJ

    If the wrist belt strap (i.e. the blue/ green one) of 910XT can be used on 920 ?

  229. Roland

    Does it show&record temperature with built in sensor(or/and with the Tempe Pod
    accessoar?

  230. Kevin Camel

    Please recommend a more professional color scheme, like all gray, as in the FR610 and FR910 and the outdoor watches.

  231. Reed

    Hi Ray. Awesome review again.

    Does Clever Training support international delivery, like to south east Asia? It will take too many moons for this device to reach our shore if we were to wait for local Garmin launch. Nice work there..:)

  232. wuhao

    Does 920xt support auto-lapping by location, just like what 910xt did. This would be quite useful for counting laps and thus accurate distance when keep running on a playground one lap after another.

    I noticed that both Garmin 620 and Fenix 2 have removed the function of auto-lapping by location, not sure why Garmin did this but hope this function will be kept on 920.

  233. lukeau

    I’m disappointed with the look. Shiny, patterned face and blue stripes. Not something I would wear on my wrist every day. I think I’ll stick to my 910XT until they bring out a more subtle colour scheme (e.g. matte black). Time for an Ambit 3 Black perhaps?

  234. Jase

    I really hope that Garmin Connect update their customised workout page as part of this refresh. It drives me crazy not having a bike “3sec average power” setting in workouts. The devices I transfer the workouts to have the setting but not the website…

  235. Matt Baraclough

    Hi Ray,

    Great preview, and I’m pleased to see your hint that you might have something in the works for your euro fan-base as an online ordering partner! Your full review and 920 availability should hit just as I’m getting back on my feet from my impending cruciate reconstruction, at which point this looks like it will be my next purchase barring any disasters in the full review.

    One thing occurred to me, that the whole app/widget side of things might change a lot in terms of how you would view the 920 (and other similarly ‘extendable’ devices) at various points in the future. Do you have plans for reviewing the more useful third party software further down the line, either as released of in a semi-regular round-up?

    • Thanks. Yup, I’ll probably do some sort of look at apps for the 920XT (and/or other supported Connect IQ devices) down the road. Perhaps upon launch of Connect IQ, and then perhaps every once in a while when something significant pops up, or as you suggested, if things are changing enough to cover them more regularly.

    • Matt B

      Great, I look forwards to seeing what people come up with!

  236. Assaf porat

    Hi Ray,

    Do you know which connectivity chipset resides within the 920?

  237. panos

    Well, i will be the 7th person until now finding 920 ugly !
    Can i have the features with the ambit 3 or v800 looks ?

  238. Adi Gerblic

    Great preliminary review. You mentioned that VO2 has been added to the cycling mode. Did Garmin add the training Effect (TE) feature, available for the running mode, to cycling? I find this feature very helpful when I am on a trainer, to gauge objectively my overall effort.

    • Yes, TE is available for swimming (at least openwater it was), cycling, and running.

    • Glajda

      Thanks for your hard work.

      Good to see that TE is available for swimming, cycling, and running.

      How about other sports? If I create a hockey profile, will it contain TE?
      If not, what happens if choose running, but later change it to ice hockey in Garmin Connect? Also, what happens to Running Dynamics if you change the sport in Garmin Connect?

  239. MAGNUS

    I’ve been waiting for this post for a while now. I’m quite happy with my Fenix2 and Vivosmart combo but the 920xt could replace both. The added features are awesome but the color options are a huge letdown. Like others have mentioned above, the color schemes make the device look rather cheap.

    Will sleep on it before I pull the trigger.

  240. robert

    Good morning Ray…

    Thank you for your comment regarding the Suunto Ambit 2s vs. 920 XT. Your objectivity and honesty is most appreciated. Now, go out an enjoy a quaint French caffe, coffee and a croissant. Cheers….

  241. Anonymous Coward

    Excellent preview; thank you! Questions :)

    1. What routes/courses does 920 exactly support? 910 supported both TCX (turn-by-turn) courses and GPX (breadcrumb) tracks. The Garmin product comparison tool shows 910 & 920 with identical “Maps & Memory” features (“Routes: 0; Waypoints/favorites/locations: 100”.)
    2. Iff 920 does support Edge-style turn-by-turn TCX courses (a la 910), will the nav screen be customizable? The 910 course screen with four fields is practically useless for turn-by-turn, esp. when you really only care about two fields: intersection name w/turn direction and distance or time to turn. “Time to Point”, “Distance to End”, “Course Time” etc. are practically useless screen clutter.
    3. Will 920 sync to desktops via ANT & Garmin ANT Agent? Or to iOS Wahoo Fitness via the ANT dongle?
    4. Is the charging / USB sync cradle interchangeable with any other Garmin unit? The watch leads look almost identical to 620, but just slightly too far apart.

    And finally:

    5. If specific ANT+ devices already have built-in connectivity options for other Garmin wrist / bike units (e..g Tempe, Di2, …), what’s the point of requiring Connect IQ apps to pull in the data when the support should be a factory feature for a $450 device?

    • I’ll circle back tomorrow with more details on all the navigational questions (bundling them up and testing them all, and will add in some more screenshots there on a final unit).

      As for a few other questions…

      #3: No ANT Agent sync anymore (nor ANTfs transfers). But on iOS/Android you can use the native app, and that syncs to Garmin Connect which in turn sync’s to many major services now (more tomorrow too).

      #4: No, it’s different.

      #5: I have no idea. I agree, I think it’s silly that the FR920XT doesn’t have Tempe support. For Di2, I suspect we’ll see it added. I suspect they’re sorting out some of the UI display issues for gearing before adding it all in (versus adding in recording support now and causing consumer confusion on the split).

    • Anonymous Coward

      Thank you!

      Re: Tempe: Weird that the new multisport Garmin Connect shows temperatures against the 920XT device data. Must have been a cold day at HalfMax Innsbrook.

    • Eli

      Is that weather station temps or from the device? A recorded bike ride on my edge 810 which does record temp built in has a graph of the temp during the ride but this 920 activity is showing no graph of the temp

    • That weather data would be from a station, there’s no temperature data showing on GC in my multisport activity.

    • Tisztul_A_Visztula

      Re 5: I am more than curious whether Garmin people change their minds and finally add the Tempe as a pairable sensor. It would be so easy to increase the level of the difference between 910XT and 920XT. I guess not all the people are bought by the features they added.

      Anyway the daily watch function is a big hit, even if it has nothing to do with exercising or competing. The same would be for temperature. Not an item in sporting, but people are got used to know the temp data.

  242. brian Smallwood

    Does it have ability for temperature? In swim mode and/or air?

  243. steve m

    Would love to measure water temperature. Presumably not a standard feature but maybe via ConnectIQ in the future? But ANT+ can’t transmit through water, right? Hmmm…

  244. dj

    Ultratrac mode still seems no good for ultrarunning. Any race over 24 hr worth doing will be on trail and will require frequent GPS measurements due to the winding nature of such trail. The only solution would be some sort of charging en route and looks like it’s not practical with that watch.

    I have charged my 8 yr old bike garmin via mini usb at around 18 hours for a 30+ hr race and i get detailed GPS and it allows charging while running. Just pick up a battery powered charging unit and carry it for a 5 or 10 mile interval between aid stations.

    • I’d guess that the vast majority of Ultra’s are under 24 hours. And, I’d guess that the vast majority of Ultra’s that are over 24 hours have participants going at rates slow enough that having some sort of variable recording rate (it’s more than once per minute) is probably less of an issue than it might appear.

    • neil rosson

      I wonder how well the ultratrac would work with navigation.

    • Eli

      I’d guess the number of people doing ultras longer then 24 hours and going fast enough on twisty trails that ultratrac isn’t good enough is not enough people to design a watch for…. (though it does seem strange it can’t work while charging)

    • TedW

      wait. did i miss that comment. the 920xt cannot be charged while in use? the Fenix2 can, and I thought I read the 910xt can as well. perhaps my search through the comments didnt work. 920xt cannot be charged while in use? really. BTW I think the bast majority of Ultra’s ARE over 24hr. Except for elites. The cutoff for most 100 milers is often in the 30hour time range.

    • Correct, it cannot at this time be charged while in an activity.

    • neil rosson

      So i guess its a software issue then? I hope they fix that because that may put me off, unless the ultratrac is really really good, i don’t like the idea of even less accuracy. Personally i run as much as possible in an ultra & then mix in walking its not a constant slow pace. I guess the ultratrac will dynamically change with your pace.? Really looking forward to the proper review as we don’t really know how well this new glonass & ultratrac will work in terms of accuracy.

    • :-(

      that’s strange…

    • the navigation mode don’t work with the Fenix 2 in UltraTrac mode

  245. johnnycanEHdian

    Great review. I’m sorry if a similar question was already asked in the comments. I skimmed through them quickly and did a search for Edge 500 and didn’t see anything.

    I have a couple of questions about the Edge 500 from a cyclist considering turning triathlete…

    I also have the soft strap premium HRM and am wondering if a) This HRM is waterproof and safe to swim with and b) if this HRM is compatible with the 920xt or if I’ll need to buy the bundle?

  246. Adam

    I am next to say it’s ugly 😛 but I got used to 310XT (that I think was much worse in looks).
    And this one simply has everything! Also the fact that it was designed by “sport” team of Garmin, makes it a big promise to really perform. Probably I’ll get one early 2015…
    @Ray: please quickly pair with some retailer in Europe as I would love both: get some 10% and support You 😀

  247. Debbie Eidelman

    Does Clever Training charge when it ships or when you buy it? I know it will authorize at the moment but was wondering whether it’s just the preauthorization that falls off or whether they put the charge through right away. Thanks!

    • They currently charge at time of purchase. Thanks for the support!

    • Debbie Eidelman

      Thanks, still in! I’m done with the Polar V800 (which I think overestimates distance, RunKeeper had 3.02, Polar had 3.32, and MapMyRun had 3.2. And I’ve done routes and it will give me different distances each time. And I think the treadmill is way off.

      I have a 910XT so I have all bike/foot pod sensors and the new run strap looks interesting and the Polar Flow websites … blows. And September come and gone and no promised export.

      Now I have a $500 doorstop that I’m ok having because I hate it that much and I need a GPS watch. Off to eBay to get something back for it.

    • Debbie Eidelman

      PS Do you think it will sell out? I.e. difference in buying now vs. later? That special rate of $5.XX to join will apply then also? Thanks!

    • Yes, the VIP membership will apply for this specific product for a considerable time period (basically until the next the FR930XT), so no difference there.

      As for selling out, yes, I don’t expect Garmin to be able to stock enough units until at probably at least Thanksgiving (US), based on the weekly production numbers currently planned. They could change those numbers, but they’re somewhat purposefully starting low in case there are any unforeseen issues in the first few weeks of batches.

    • Eric

      Data export for Polar Flow has been announced on September 25th.

      link to updates.polar.com

    • Debbie Eidelman

      Yeah just tried it and my V800 has automatic laps at every mile ran and I just exported/imported… and the activity just has one lap, the whole activity. Really?

  248. juan

    this thing is ugly as sh1t..

    • Marios

      Do they even employ industrial designers at Garmin? There are no words to describe how ugly this watch is.

  249. Francis C

    Thanks Ray. I’ll wait for a month or two for all the production kinks to clear out and to also to read your full review on it. I’m also disappointed about the lack of BTLE support for HRMs, pods, etc. I was really hoping for it since I purchased the Dash and the runScribe. Fortunately, runScribe will have the Ant+ support.

  250. Do you think it is ugly? Or you disagree? Let Garmin know your opinion in their official forum here link to forums.garmin.com

  251. Debbie Eidelman

    Meh, I think it’s pretty. And blue’s my favorite color.

  252. Chris

    Hi Ray – does it support the full list of Vector data (ie efficiency data and the new metrics)? thanks

  253. Jirnsum

    Thanks for this nice overview Ray. Definitely looking forward to the full review. If there’s no major issues that come up I am pretty sure this one will find its way onto my wrist 😛

  254. Josh

    From the viewpoint of a runner only, it would seem the only reasons I would consider moving from the 620 to this are: more vibrant screen, longer battery life, knowing who is calling or emailing while on a long run versus having to take my phone out of my waist pack. Anything else I didn’t pick up on from your detailed comparison chart? My first watch years ago was the 305. I do miss the rectangular screen a bit.

    • Eli

      Metronome for running cadence, support for connect iq (620 may support it and guessing it will but they hadn’t said anything and not sure how an app written for a rectangle screen with buttons for navigation 920 will work on a round screen with a touch screen for navigation 620), better gps (newer chipset and support for glonnas), breadcrumb map and limited route support (sure, no street map but better then not knowing where you’re going at all), no touch screen (I know the touch screen on my 610 gets annoying)

  255. Jared Holdcroft

    Any ideas if there will be a UK exclusive supplier for the first batch – like they did with the 620 and sweatshop.com?

  256. Jonathan Pope

    Simply an amazing first look and responses to comments (as always). Where do you find the time?! I’ve read all the posts and am left with a question. I suspect I’ll need to wait for the full review…

    Turn by turn direction alerts: yup or nope?

    If yes, I’ll sell my Garmin 800 and 620 for an all-in-one since it’s all covered…
    Thoughts?

    You’re the best.

  257. Hugin

    Doing a “strings GPSChipsetTypeM5_FitnessRegionFile__250.rgn | less” in linux and going a bit above the end of that output it shows:

    MT3333
    Software Version
    2.50

    Chipset should then be:

    link to mediatek.com

    Doing the same against the last fw for the fr620 shows:

    MT3339
    Software Version
    3.10

    An older chipset without GLONASS

    • Eli

      Looks like the chipset in the 920 doors support waas link to google.com.pdf&cd=3&ved=0CCIQFjAC&usg=AFQjCNFyIk0-cWxpmXFK8953n-0UsLzDGw&sig2=Dk-tU-5Bg5EVxrH3PDOQbA

    • Peter

      It seems that 2.50 is the latest 920XT firmware, not a GPS software.. see link to gawisp.com

      so we can’t be sure which chipset is in it..

    • Peter

      On the other hand M5 is probably only fitness chipset that supports GLONASS.. so I hope you are right..

    • Hugin

      That is not the watch firmware, it is an updatefile for the Display with version of 2.50 We find the GPS firmware files in gawisp directory:

      link to gawisp.com

      Since the M5 is the only GPS fw of recent date (15-Sep-2014) logic dictates that it belongs to the FR920XT. My FR620 uses the M426 file.

      You can find which FR920XT files have been updated recently by using:

      link to gmaptool.eu

      Or filter for the forerunners:

      link to gmaptool.eu

      Doing so I’ve come to the conclusion that the FR920XT presently is at file versions:

      Watch: 2.30
      TZM: 14.0
      GPS: 2.50
      Display: 2.10
      Ant: 2.50
      Wifi: 2.20
      Language: 2.10

    • Hugin

      That is not the watch firmware, it is an updatefile for the Display with version of 2.50 We find the GPS firmware files in gawisp directory:

      link to gawisp.com

      Since the M5 is the only GPS fw of recent date (15-Sep-2014) logic dictates that it belongs to the FR920XT. My FR620 uses the M426 file.

      You can find which FR920XT files have been updated recently by using:

      link to gmaptool.eu

      Or filter for the forerunners:

      link to gmaptool.eu

      Doing so I’ve come to the conclusion that the FR920XT presently is at file versions:

      Watch: 2.30
      TZM: 14.0
      GPS: 2.50
      Display: 2.10
      Ant: 2.50
      Wifi: 2.20
      Language: 2.10

      /Regards

    • Hugin

      “updatefile for the Display” should read “updatefile for ANT” naturally. Too much info on screen, got confused. Sorry about the double post btw.

  258. Marc

    Thanks for the review

    Some people claim the Mio HRM works in the water with the 910xt if worn on the same wrist.

    But the 910 does not allow to pair a HRM in swim mode.

    Does the 920 ?
    Any comments on the useability of the Mio in the water

    thanks again

  259. AR11s

    Great preview, the 920xt definitely has some exciting features. I’ve two quick questions:
    1) will there be customizable modes, so rather than select outdoor cycling, I could select customizable mode 1 which would record cycling and then have a transition and switch to running without having to start a new session?
    2) any talk of enabling heart rate in swimming mode. It’s the 1 thing I find disappointing here but if I could use a Mio or Ant+ memory belt (not sure if one exists) then I think I’d go with 920xt. Perhaps this would be an app option down the road?

    • 1) Yes, fully customizable in that sense. You can have customizable single-activity modes, as well as customizable multisport activity modes made up of single sports.
      2) It (HR) works in openwater mode, not in pool, for those with the Mio Link. An ANT+ memory belt doesn’t exist at this time.

    • Robert

      Ray,
      Your blog and reviews are definitely high value for me.

      Do you think the V800 or the 920XT will ultimately enable the Mio Link to transmit heart rate to it while swimming in the pool? (I currently do that for the Mio Link to the Polar Flow; but realize that there might be a technical issue for the 920XT since it requires ANT+ while Polar could do it via software.)

      Since your original first look at the V800, I thought when Polar finally came out with indoor swimming, then I could get one and consolidate my current setup of 910XT, Polar Loop, and Mio Link down to the V800 and the Mio Link. Now with the 920XT out, I wonder if I should just abandon the idea of capturing heart rate in the pool and just keep using the Mio Link with running and biking with a future 920XT.

      Thanks.

  260. Every new model bring new user experience. I mean menu style, button placement and button functions. After 910, getting used to Fenix2 was hard. And now it seems again everything changed in 920. Interesting desicions…

    • It’s interesting, on the FR910XT the buttons are actually basically the same. The Fenix2 is a shift from the FR series. Though, the Fenix2 is actually a significant shift from the Fenix1, specifically to align to more of the forerunner button layout and function set for people coming from that world. Sorta a middle ground.

  261. Bjorn

    Ray,

    a general question: Is there a good way to share a device such av the 920xt between
    two persons and have them separated, like switch fast between two profiles?
    (You know like when you and your better half wants to use the same gadget.)

    Any other watch that takes this into account?

    • Matt B

      Ray answered this earlier and said no it’s not possible on this watch or any GPS watch, simply because they make more money by not having that.

      Now if you didn’t mind only manually uploading files to different Strava accounts and just wanted different data fields to appear for each of you while you are running, you could just create two different activity profiles.

    • Bjorn

      Ok, didn’t see that, thanks for pointing it out.
      At least then I know I can stop looking for that feature at the moment.

    • Durrin Hynes

      The way to do this is to have Garmin Express installed on 2 different computers: on the one machine configure Express to upload to your account, and on the other machine configure it to upload to your better halfs account.

  262. Stephane

    Hi Ray,
    Very good review about an very waited device!
    I had the the Forerunner 305 and switch it for the 910xt few years ago. This spring, I’ve try the Fenix 2 who seems to not work good for me and have remplace i