Note if you're reading a watch review: Note that over the past few months new Garmin, Timex and Polar watches have been released. If you're stopping by to read one of my many watch reviews, you'll definitely want to check out the new Garmin FR910XT In Depth Review, the Garmin FR610 In Depth Review, Timex Run Trainer and Polar RCX5 In Depth Review. Always best to know all your options out there. Enjoy!

Thursday, October 27, 2011

A look at Garmin’s new Forerunner FR70 running watch

There are many cases where I receive a new unit and work really hard to get a full in depth review out…and there are some cases where time just doesn’t permit such an instance. And then finally, there are cases like today – where the watch is so similar to an existing watch that for now I wanted to give you a sneak peak at the most relevant portion of the product: What it looks like.

Garmin’s new FR70 watch is essentially the same watch as the super-popular non-GPS FR60, just with an updated band and faceplate.  Why an updated band you ask?

Well, some folks had some troubles with FR60 watch bands breaking.  I actually happened to be one of those such individuals.  These new bands are designed to be far more resistant – and are what is actually used on the new FR910XT as well.  Really durable stuff, it’s like the indestructible fruitcake you received…except in the form of a watch band.  And…oddly enough, almost as colorful.

Colorful you say?

Yes, colorful.

See, my dear friends in Kansas decided that my life didn’t have enough pink in it already.  So they added some…via this FR70 unit:

Garmin FR70 PackagingGarmin FR70 Watch Unboxed

And, pink isn’t actually where it ends.  It’s also got this very feminine front faceplate.  Swirly things and all.  If swirly’s are anything like Slushies, then I need more swirly’s in my life.

Garmin FR70 on wrist

And the little strap holder thingy…ensure not to forget that.  Note the swirly’s continue on the band.

Garmin FR70 on wrist, band

Now, just in case your curious what comes in the box – it’s essentially the same contents as the FR60: Heart Rate Strap (classic edition), USB ANT+ stick, paper manuals:

Garmin FR70 unboxed

Like the FR60, this watch (being technically identical) has a 1-year battery life.  Yup, one year.  No recharging.  And also like the FR60, it synchronizes your workouts straight from the watch via the ANT+ stick to the magical Garmin Connect site in the sky (yup, complete with Google Maps now).

For the guys: This watch also comes in a much more manly looking black and blue variant.  I saw some sample photos of it, and it actually looks pretty darn nice, a bit classier than the original blue FR60 (don’t worry Little Blue, I still love you too).

So, about now, you may be wondering who’s the target audience of this watch?  Well, it might actually surprise you.  For the FR60, the target audience was runners who wanted a very accurate footpod driven watch that had heart rate monitoring and all the advanced capabilities of the more expensive Garmin Forerunner watches.  And – it tied into Garmin Connect online (as well as any 3rd party site you can think of).  While the official retail price is $129US, the reality is this watch generally sells for about $90 in most places.

At $90 it makes for an awesome deal.

From a footpod accuracy standpoint, as I’ve shown in the past, I can actually go out for a 10 mile run – intervals, even in the snow – and get it to be EXACTLY on spot with a GPS watch, down to the 1/100ths of a mile (something I will admit was really darn lucky).

And – of most importance to many triathletes, the watch is fully waterproofed to scuba-diving depths (actually dived with it before down to 30+ meters).  Then on the bike it works with your ANT+ speed/cadence sensor (indoors or outside).  And, in the event you have one of them fancy ANT+ enabled scales like the BC-1000 or similar, it works with that too.

For those curious, I will indeed do a full in depth review at some point in the future – mostly because folks will continue to search for information on it, and I’d like to provide it for ya.  But, with all the other gear right now backlogged…I know you wanted some of the important details first.

Garmin FR60 Men's, FR60 Womens, FR70 Womens

(Left to right: FR60 Blue Men’s, FR60 Women’s, FR70 Women’s…the dates are off simply because I just changed the batteries and didn’t have a chance to update them all)

So here’s what you need to know about the FR70 in one paragraph or less:

If you have the FR60 – no need to upgrade.  If you’re looking at the FR60…then simply grab the FR70 instead for the improved watch band.  If you have any other Forerunner watch, then you can kinda just keep on chugging with that – as you’re pretty much good to go already.

Make sense?  Good.  Not make sense?  Post a comment below and I’ll help ya out.

As far as a ‘true’ replacement for the FR60 goes…I’d suspect what we’re seeing is a repeat of what we saw with the FR405 and FR410 last year.  The FR410 was essentially just a small refresh of the FR405, merely as a stopgap measure until the new FR610 came out in the spring.  I would also point out that timeline wise, the FR410 came out roughly this time as well last year.  I have no information that a FR60/FR70 refresh product is coming next year, and at $90, it’s probably not worth waiting to find out. 

If the FR60/FR70 meets your requirements today – then go forth and conquer!  If not, then consider the FR210 (if you want GPS), or the upcoming Timex Run Trainer (ships Monday).  And if you want full featured GPS, then the FR610.  And finally, failing everything else…the FR910XT.  If that doesn’t work, I’d consider a laptop strapped in a backpack.

Two quick relevant resources:

Garmin Devices - The ANT+ Footpod – Read this post for anything and everything you ever wanted to know about how these foot pods work (this one specifically).  It has years of answers cultivated in it.

Garmin Forerunner FR60 – This is my In Depth Product Review of the FR60, which is identical to the FR70, except with a ‘7’ instead of a ‘6’.  Just like the Annie Get Your Gun musical lyrics: ‘Anything you can do, I can do better’.  Well, sorta.  More like ‘Anything you can do, I can do with a pink band…and swirly’s’.

Enjoy, and thanks for reading!

37 comments:

Geert Hendrickx October 27, 2011 7:48 AM  

Will the bundle options (footpod/HR strap/ANT+ stick) be as complicated as with the FR60, any idea?

Also your picture shows the classic rubber HR strap, as opposed to the FR60 which ships with the new and improved one?

Tim October 27, 2011 9:02 AM  

It's a shame they didn't roll in some of the new swim features of the 910xt. I still like the size of a fr60 (and cost) for swimming.

Regarding the cost comment, I'm always a little worried I'll scratch the face of a 310xt on a lane rope or edge of the pool accidentally.

I guess I am a tech junkie in that way. I use the edge 800 cycling, 310xt running (I keep considering a 610 or 210 here), and a fr60 swimming.

Rainmaker October 27, 2011 9:12 AM  

Hi Geert-

No, not as complicated. Good point, they significantly wanted to simplify it. So it won't be like Baskin Robbins with 31 flavors.

And yup, classic indeed. Double-checked it.

Tim-
RE: 910XT scratching

I've whacked the 910XT on the lane lines a ton of times, and thus far no scratches. Happy with that piece...

Colafos October 27, 2011 12:24 PM  

Which is the cheapest Garmin watch that can download workouts from the PC? I own an RCX5 and the ability to have my workouts on the watch and online in diary form is very handy.
Just choose that day's workout and go.

The Tricycle October 27, 2011 1:16 PM  

Just bought the FR60 a few weeks ago. If the strap issue is serious enough to warrant an entire redesign, do you know whether Garmin is going to be replacing the current version with the FR70 if a strap issue arises?

Geert Hendrickx October 27, 2011 2:15 PM  

So they won't include a footpod with any FR70? That's a pity, because it actually makes the FR70 useful, and the footpod is much more expensive when purchased separately.

Anonymous October 27, 2011 4:16 PM  

If your band breaks (the little square retention piece, for example) will Garmin send you a new one? Or do I have to send the whole watch back?

Phil October 27, 2011 7:43 PM  

You forgot to overlook the Garmin spec sheet.

They really managed to REMOVE GOOD FUNCTIONS from the watch that were present in the FR60, namely "time alert", "distance alert" - which were both quite handy -, and also the "pace alert" !
Actually these were quite useful functions, implemented well (with different alarm signals for time/distance/pace).

It would have been nice if they had added AdvancedWorkouts to this watch instead which would have made it a very complete tool.
(It is already quite powerful, having VirtualPartner and flexible multi-screen configurations, and the multi-alarm feature (now removed) that was unique to the FR60 when it came out. Later models from 405 on then had those alarms, too. But with AdvancedWorkouts included, it would have been great.)

They could also have included the simple but useful walk/run alert/timer or at least some intelligent regular watch functions, like an autorepeat timer (like on the FR50) or/and a "normal" everyday stopwatch or more powerful alarms...

Instead they actually provide a functional downgrade - you will never understand Garmin's brains...

BTW: At least the buttons are said to have been improved. This would be very nice since on the FR60 they were really painful...

Rainmaker October 27, 2011 8:08 PM  

Hi Phil-

Fear not, the spec sheet is actually wrong.

Got the watch in front of me - Time Alert, Distance Alert and Pace (and speed) alerts are all there.

Also, like the FR60, advanced workouts are there too - you can download them from GTC or from Garmin Connect.

I would agree that adding in a walk/run timer would have been nice - but since very little was done here aside from re-arranging some menu's and changing the band...that's one of the reasons it's not much different.

On the buttons, 'improvement' may be in the eye of the beholder. The buttons are now no longer exposed from the outside. Meaning a single piece of silicon/rubber covers them entirely, so they are more like bumps than distinct buttons. At the moment, on my brand new unit - they're a pain in the butt to push. But I suspect it'll get a bit easier after a few days.

Enjoy!

Rainmaker October 27, 2011 8:18 PM  

Actually minor correction - you're right - advanced workouts aren't there. The other items are there though.

sctyboy October 28, 2011 10:17 AM  

I've been following your reviews for a while now, and I'd all but decided on the FR60. The only thing holding me back right now is concern over which heart rate strap I am going to end up with.

Do you have any insight as to the heart rate strap that comes with the FR60 bundles? Is it really going to be the nice, new, soft one, even though the brand new FR70 comes with the old, stiff one?

In any case, awesome reviews, as soon as I heard about the FR70 I knew immediately where I needed to come to get the details, and wasn't disappointed when I arrived.

Rainmaker October 28, 2011 10:22 AM  

It depends on which exact SKU you buy, see them all listed here (versions tab):

https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=27483

But, if you select one that says "Premium HR strap" - it will indeed come with the new 2010 strap, at least if it's shipped from Garmin.com - Other vendors will vary simply based on how long the stock has been sitting on their shelf (really long time, less certainty).

dogrunner October 28, 2011 12:16 PM  

Thanks for the review, as always. I love my FR60, have never had a problem with the strap, have had one of the scroll buttons stop working, so am down to one, but it gets the job done, bought without HRM and added latest HR strap.
Are they still using the old calorie estimation method (as opposed to the newer methods implemented in FR610 and others) ? Not that that is that critical...

TexRob October 28, 2011 1:50 PM  

Hey, was referred here by someone on a comment on Engadget announcing this new model, great site you have.

The Garmin site is very unclear, they make it sound like you need the foot pod for any distance tracking. The way your article reads, it sounds like you only need the foot pod to get the utmost accuracy, is that correct? If not, what does adding in a foot pod give you as far as additional info?

If me, as a casual runner (at most was doing 10 mile runs, lately getting back into it and doing 2-3 miles at the moment), can get away with just the combo with the watch and heart rate strap, I'm ecstatic and will surely be buying one.

TexRob October 28, 2011 2:10 PM  

After re-reading, I think I understand that you were saying that the foot pod is as accurate as GPS in your testing, even though this unit does not come with one, you referenced it?

I wonder how soon until we see bundles for the FR70 online with the watch, band + foot pod. They run about $120 on Amazon for the FR60.

Rainmaker October 28, 2011 2:33 PM  

Sorry, correct.

Yes - the FR60 requires a footpod for running pace/distance. And for cycling pace, a speed/cadence sensor (like the GSC-10).

It doesn't contain a GPS or accellerometer in it, thus the need for those.

And yup, my attempt there was to note that footpod is surprisingly accurate if configured correctly.

Enjoy!

PC November 3, 2011 3:30 PM  

Helpful post as I'm thinking about getting some kind of running watch - just finished my first half and wanting to amp up my game!

I'm new to the watch world - is there a real benefit to having the footpod? I usually run the same routes over and over, so I figured the GPS wasn't really a worthy function. What exactly does the footpod do for me?

Phil November 14, 2011 6:57 PM  

After studying the manual precisely, I found one interesting difference to the FR60, a real new functionality :

There is now an extra data element that displays fat calories !
(In addition to the already existent general calories data element.)

OK, it's not the absolute killer function, but a nice thing and not very common on most pulsemeters yet !
(The Garmin FR610 and FR910 have it, too, but few Polar models show similar information.)

You cannot use the fat calorie item as a target value for the calorie alarm, though. The alarm always goes for the overall calories.

And the calorie calculation as such is now HR-based if a HRM is present. (Although this was also the case for the FR60 after firmware update 2.50.)

The only question here is: if both speed sensor and HRM are present, will the watch combine their data for best calorie calculation ??
Or will it always use pure HR-based calc. as soon as the HR-belt is found, regardless of other sensors, and use speed-based calc. only if no HR-belt is active ?
The manual gives no clear answer to that, one will have to try it out...

Anyway, the new "fat calorie" item sets the device somewhat apart and - together with the weight scale connection - could be interesting for those who mainly train for general health, weight loss, or shape !

And since the watch is not bundled with any speed sensor anymore, the target group with "HRM only function" is even more explicit...;)

Anonymous December 1, 2011 12:21 PM  

Seriously looking into the FR60 or FR70, but wondering if the 70 is really an upgrade. Let me see if I got this right. The FR60 still comes in all black (which I want), comes with the premium HR strap and can be found for less? The FR70 comes with the old HR strap, only two tone colors, costs more, but has an improved band? Thanks!

nmantz December 6, 2011 1:26 AM  

I have been researching the FR 60/70 vs the 210 and for me it seems that the GPS option in the 210 isn't worth the other features that the 60/70 offer. I run So I really like the interval options and virtual partner on the 70. I'd also want to track my heart heart rate and calories in other activites such as aerobics. Will this watch also do that for me?

Anonymous December 17, 2011 6:55 PM  

Thanks for the writeup. Are the watchbands on either the FR60 or FR70 replaceable if they break, or are you SOL (once outside the warranty period)? Hard to tell from the pics, but it looks like the watchbands are molded integral to the case (for either watch). Thanks

rkalish December 22, 2011 8:54 PM  
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rkalish December 22, 2011 8:56 PM  

I have the new FR70. Had many issues with the FR60 watchband, but my main issues were using the watch at the pool. Hitting the FR60 buttons in water always led to issues. Sometimes they would stop working and if I went for a run in freezing weather after the pool, the buttons were frozen and would not work. The new FR70 sealed button design is great - no chance or water issues even if used underwater. I think the design is a big improvement

mole removal December 30, 2011 5:05 AM  

I'm impressed. You're truly well informed and very intelligent. You wrote something that people could understand and made the subject intriguing for everyone. I'm saving this for future use.

Anonymous January 8, 2012 11:08 PM  

Thanks for the post on the FR70. I am considering upgrading to the FR70 for the SOLE reason that, after about 1.5 years of daily wear, my FR60 strap is barely being held together... by black electrical tape. Sometime last summer the strap "keeper" broke, and I called garmin and they sent me a new one in the mail for free. As for the battery, mine died after (I think) about a year and 3 or 4 months. I took it to a jeweler to replace the battery, thinking I should be as careful as possible, and afterwards a swim revealed water entry and fogging. So, I opened the back (just a few screws) and spent awhile putting the very delicate rubber thing back in place. Since then, I've had no leakage problems -- just the strap that is toast.

Anonymous January 18, 2012 1:31 PM  

Got the FR 70 and heart rate monitor kept loosing signal. After trying second one, on the phone with Garmin they said that my body wouldn't work with the HR monitor? Have you ever heard of such a thing?

Rainmaker January 19, 2012 1:24 AM  

Hi Anon-

No, that's not right. Honestly, it's the strangest thing I've ever heard a Garmin support person tell anyone. And definitely NOT accurate (unless you have no pulse at all, in which case, you've got other issues!).

Check out this resource as a starting point, I suspect it may help fix your issues:

http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/04/troubleshooting-your-heart-rate.html

Anonymous January 30, 2012 9:32 AM  

Hi Just got my FR70 on the basis of your reviews and found that sometimes the mode button just plain didn't work when I was out for my morning run - was trying to find the time of day then flick back to the run info. Does it 'go slow' once its recording, or does this sound like a fault on my watch?

Cheers

Dave B

Rainmaker January 30, 2012 7:40 PM  

No, definitely not normal - sounds like the watch may have had a manuf defect. Go ahead and ring up Garmin support and get it swapped out - quick and easy.

Anonymous February 3, 2012 5:19 AM  

Thanks for that. I'll do that in the next few days.

Interesting time calibrating the device last night. Did a 400m calibration on the track. then ran a 5K time trial. It was spot on 5K. Ran home: the watch showed 1.71 miles. The map measurement showed 1.91 miles (Garmin Connect Course, and gb-mapometer.com). Thats a big difference. seems like my calibration factor has to change from track to road running from about 93% to about 103%, though I also did the calibration on the run to the track and post measurement and that shows about 96%... all most odd...

Next I'll try it on a certified accurate measure course for road running...

Regards
djb

Igor February 3, 2012 6:33 AM  

Looks like Garmin FR70 wrist band is not replaceable :( I thought they made it replaceable this time... Maybe worth putting this explicitly in the review. I really hope it's not going to die in 1 year or so, like my FR60 unit did.

Peeps February 16, 2012 11:47 AM  

I'm new to running, but I'm looking to train for a marathon and am looking for a HR monitor to help me train. I can't decide if I should get the Garmin Forerunner 110 or Garmin FR70. I'm attracted to the GPS capabilities of the 110, but the FR70 seems like it would be a better watch for training, though it doesn't have GPS. Any tips or advice?

Anonymous February 17, 2012 2:12 PM  

@Peeps:
I am using "adidas micoach pacer bundle" which is basically a relabeled Garmin SDM4 foot pod combined with an Ant+ HRM strap that also looks very similar to Garmin. Then you get the pacer device, that records your data for upload to their online service and guides you through your workouts by vocal instructions. There are dedicated training plans availiable online that help you to achieve certain goals like marathon finishing at particular paces.

Garmin Connect unfortunately does not offer sophisticated coaching options as far as I could see. On the other hand I would love to have an Ant+ compatible sports watch in addition and the FR70 would be perfect if I only could trust their new watch band or if they made it replaceable.

Time will tell and I am having an eye on Garmin forums while waiting and hoping for a successor with Virtual Racer functionality and Training Effect calculation. Add R-R recordings and Firstbeat Athlete support and make it a no brainer!

@Rainmaker
Really enjoying your in-depth reviews and already made use of your Amazon referers to give something back. Thank you! Maybe you also want to think about adding Flattr buttons to your articles?

I might have missed it but I would love to read about combining Garmin GPS Forerunners as the FR610 with a foot pod and how the foot pod corrects data when satellite receiving is weak. I saw lots of inner city courses recorded with Garmin watches where the lines horribly cut corners and went straight through buildings. That and running under trees a lot kept me away from GPS for now, but a combination of SDM4 and GPS might do a far better job, draw decent courses and meassure more accurate distances?

Anonymous February 22, 2012 7:55 AM  

Finally got a FR70 that works. Button press is odd - press too hard and they don't work, so a light press is all you need. Keeping the button press 'beep' on helps.

Other than that its all good. Doesn't have kcals from fat though, even though its in the manual.

Cheers

djb

Anonymous February 25, 2012 2:28 PM  

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but I need some clarity on this question: If I buy the FR70, do I need to buy the foot pod as well? Thanks for all your research, Rainmaker. I've been researching watches for the last month (buying my first one) and your reviews have been awfully, awfully helpful. I was torn between the 110 and the FR60 or 70, but I think the FR60 or 70 is for me (especially because it's a little smaller and seems to be clear underwater). I was about sold on the 70, but if I have to buy a footpod (as there seems to be no bundle that comes with one), I may as well go for the 60 because of the increase in price, no?

Rainmaker February 25, 2012 3:33 PM  

Hi Anon-

Yes, in short, you do. Well, you don't if you don't care about distance or pace. At which point it would just measure heart rate (assuming you have a strap).

So, in short:

FR60/FR70: No GPS, footpod required for running, or GSC-10 for cycling

FR110: GPS based, but won't work indoors on treadmill for pace/distance because doesn't support footpod.

FR210: GPS based, also supports footpod though for treadmill running.

Hope this helps!

Anonymous February 26, 2012 12:30 PM  

Yes, it sure does! Thanks. I hope Garmin will release a bundle package that includes a footpod for the 70

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