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Wahoo’s New 2020 TICKR & TICKR X: In-Depth Review

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Wahoo has just announced a set of new TICKR & TICKR X heart rate straps that include some modest feature updates, most notably running dynamics support in the TICKR-X, as well as multiple concurrent Bluetooth Smart connections so you can pair to apps like Zwift at the same time as other wearables or bike computers. They’ve also increased the battery life, added more storage to the TICKR X, made the pods slightly slimmer, and a handful of other tweaks. Oh, and there’s multiple colors of the base TICKR unit now.

The new straps maintain the same retail pricing as the previous straps ($49 for the TICKR and $79 for the TICKR X), though both of those straps could often be found for less over the past year or two. The older TICKR RUN edition is not being continued, since those features are basically rolled into the new TICKR X.

I’ve been using both straps for the last few months – so plenty of time to dig into them with boatloads of data. Now, if you’d like that delivered in witty video form, then look no further than the red play button below:

Else, continue using that swipe/scroll option to move your way through the rest of the article.

Oh, and as usual, these are just media loaners from Wahoo. I’ll send them back in a disinfected paper bag or something down the line. After which I’ll go out and get my own. If you found this review useful, then feel free to use some of the links at the sidebar, or, sign-up for a DCR Supporter membership, which helps support the site! Thanks!

Unboxing:

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There are three different boxed versions of the Wahoo TICKR: The TICKR X, The TICKR (White), and the TICKR (Stealth). The two regular TICKR’s are the same, just different colors. Spoiler: From an unboxing standpoint, all three boxes are identical. Here’s the back of the TICKR vs TICKR X:

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If we slide open the side of the box, you’ll find the pod sitting atop the strap:

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Meanwhile, removing all the inside stuff we’ve got the strap, pod, some legal paperwork, and then a quick-start guide:

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Here’s a closer look at the still-plastic-on pod:

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Then the strap:

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Then the manual you’ll pretend to read. You needn’t read it after this, it basically says wet your strap and put it around your chest.

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And…that’s it! The CR2032 battery is already inside. As far as thinness goes, Wahoo advertises the 2020 TICKR in their PR materials as 10% thinner than the previous TICKR. Except, in my scientific testing – that’s clearly not the case. It’s actually thicker than their past strap:

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I never really had a thick/thinness issue on the previous one, so I’ll just assume this makes me faster somehow.

Also it’s worth noting that Wahoo claims (in their PR materials) the following:

A new, slimmer shape and integrated strap design make the latest TICKR and TICKR X the lightest heart rate monitors available at only 48g/1.7oz(pod and strap together).”

Except, this isn’t true either. I measured the previous Wahoo TICKR and it came to 44-45g (pod and strap, depending on which TICKR I used). There are boatloads of straps in the 47g ballpark, and the lightest strap I could find was a Timex Bluetooth Smart strap at 39g. Still in production is the Suunto strap at 43g. I demonstrate both of these in the video up above.

The Basics:

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I get it, it’s “just a heart rate strap”. And try as I might to reduce the word count here, I probably won’t succeed. Still, I’ll try. For example, here’s a simple bulleted version of the new features for each unit:

Wahoo TICKR & TICKR X New Features:

– Made pod 10% slimmer
– Allows three concurrent Bluetooth Smart devices, unlimited ANT+ connections
– Shifted LED’s to top of strap
– Increased battery life from 350 hours to 500 hours (still CR2032 coin cell)
– Changed strap design to be flush with pod (which typically reduces chaffing for runners)
– Offered in white or grey

Wahoo TICKR X Only New features:

– Added ANT+ Running Dynamics (cadence, vertical oscillation, and ground contact time via official ANT+ HR-RD standard)
– Increased memory from 16 hours to 50 hours
(This is in addition to other TICKR-X only features like indoor cycling cadence, treadmill pace/distance, etc…)

Realistically, the only new things you probably actually care about here are the multiple concurrent Bluetooth Smart connections and ANT+ Running Dynamics if you’ve got a Garmin watch. The others are all niceties, but hardly game changers if you already own a TICKR (or any other strap for that matter).

For this post, I’ll use the straps mostly interchangeably to show them, largely based on which one looks the prettiest – since the others have two months of usage already and aren’t as crispy anymore. I discuss the TICKR X-only features specifically in the next section. Starting with the strap/pods, you’ll notice that it’s now streamlined.

In the below photo, the upper strap is the older design, the lower strap is the sleeker aero-like flush design. Obviously, it’s not aero. Or, maybe it is.

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Inside the pod is a single CR2032 coin cell battery. The company says it’ll last 500 hours. Seems reasonable.

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The pod attaches to the strap using dual poles. Once you attach both sides it’ll complete the connection and light up. You can ensure it shuts off by detaching one side of the strap for storage, though you don’t have to do so, it’ll eventually go to sleep either way.

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The inside of the strap where the electrode sensors are looks like basically every other strap – nothing special here.

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While you don’t need to set up the base TICKR strap using the Wahoo App, you can if you want. And you can use that to update the firmware when that occasionally happens. Setting it up is pretty easy. You just crack open the app and choose to add a Wahoo sensor:

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After it finds it, it’ll give you the 3-second (one-page) tutorial:

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Once connected in the app you can see signal strength, the exact name of the TICKR (this is how it will show in apps too), and firmware version.

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The ‘Workout Profiles’ you see in the app above are purely for the Wahoo app if recording a workout in that app – there’s no standalone functionality for the TICKR X that has different workout profiles or anything like some optical HR straps have. There’s no configuration options for the base TICKR strap or anything else. What you see is what you get (and honestly, that’s simplistically great).

The TICKR & TICKR X have two LED’s at the top of them, one each red and blue:

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These lights are as follows:

Slow Blue Flashing: TICKR is on and searching
Fast 4x Blue Flashing: A device/app has been found
Fast Blue Flashing: A device/app is now connected to it
Red: Each time a heart beat is detected (you’re still alive)

The LED will stop flashing though after 30 seconds. So only if you die in the first 30 seconds will the TICKR visually tell you. The more you know!

If you go to pair the strap you’ll see it listed in two different ways, depending on the exact device/app you’re using, and whether it’s ANT+ or Bluetooth Smart. For example, on a Garmin Edge bike computer you’ll see it as via ANT+ first:

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Whereas a Wahoo ELEMNT/ROAM/BOLT bike computer will leverage Bluetooth Smart first:

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There’s pros and cons to either preference. I typically use ANT+ because that means I can connect unlimited devices. Whereas Bluetooth can sometimes (but definitely not always) be slightly less prone to connectivity interference. Also, for me personally, with ANT+ I can enumerate the ANT+ ID’s in saved fitness files from most devices, acting as a way to double-check which sensor I recorded something with. Again, that’s a me problem – and very unlikely to be a you problem.

If you’re on Zwift with Apple TV, then you’ll see the Bluetooth Smart connection:

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And now, for the real party trick leveraging the new multiple connection option, I’m concurrently on TrainerRoad on an iPad with Bluetooth Smart to the same strap:

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But wait, there’s more! Now I’ll take my phone and connect to it as well using The Sufferfest App:

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I’m not done yet! And here’s the Edge 530 via ANT+. See – mind blown! Or…something:

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Point being, you’ve now got that flexibility for multiple connections. It’s something that Wahoo added to the KICKR/CORE lineup last fall, and prior to that we see Polar add it to their H10 strap, followed by Garmin to their HRM-DUAL strap.

Beyond that, you’ll do your workout as normal, and it’ll transmit your heart rate as normal.

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In addition to baseline heart rate (BPM), it’s also transmitting HRV data. Here’s a chart using the TICKR showing the HRV data (inclusive of RR intervals) with the Elite HRV app, connected via Bluetooth Smart on iOS:

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And here’s the same for the TICKR X:

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And, if you’re using a newer Garmin device, you’ll even get respiration rate as well. For example, here’s my ride the other day with the TICKR X and the Fenix 6 Pro:

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But mostly, you’re likely to just use it connected to any app/device you can think of. Given it follows all the ANT+ & Bluetooth Smart standards, it works with everything released in the last decade or so.

TICKR X Only Features:

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Next, we’ve got the TICKR X. This is Wahoo’s higher-end strap and includes additional features that the baseline TICKR doesn’t. Specially, here’s what’s different:

– [New] Added ANT+ Running Dynamics Support (previously Wahoo did non-standardized running efficiency metrics)
– [New] Expanded storage from 16 hours to 50 hours of memory for workout saving/storage
– Measures indoor cycling cadence
– Measures treadmill pace/distance
– Shows running efficiency metrics in app
– Can set laps via tapping
– Can control the Wahoo app, even your music (when paired with phone and Wahoo app)
– Can upload completed workouts to various 3rd party platforms

To pair up the TICKR X, it’s identical to the TICKR pairing process:

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Once paired though, you’ll see a ton of new menu options:

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On the upper portion of the page you’ll see current heart rate, as well as running speed/cadence/steps per minute. Realistically it’s unlikely you’ll be looking at this page on your phone while using the strap normally, but it’s a good quick check of things.

Then down lower there’s three options. The first is Double Tap. This sets up what happens in a given sport, based on when you double-tap the strap. Each of them basically controls starting/stopping, lap, or music track changes. The music bits is tied to using the app/phone of course.

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After that, there’s device-free workouts. This is where the TICKR X will automatically record a copy of every workout you do. It’s pretty handy, and much better than the Polar H10 implementation (which is a mess to use in reality). The workouts will simply download when you open this page up. The workouts are stored on the strap until it needs space for a new one.

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Then from there, if you back out into the history, you’ll see the downloaded workouts.  Note that it basically records from when you put on the strap until you took it off. So sometimes that captures more than the legit workout itself (such as time afterwards till you get to the shower/etc).

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Note that as you can see above though, it will *not* store any running dynamics, cycling cadence, or anything else in offline mode. It’s purely recording heart rate. You can trim the files if you want to get rid of the non-workout bits. Simply tap the pencil icon, and then use the sliders to trim to the actual start/end points. Super-duper easy.

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From there you can export out the .FIT file, as well as share/upload it to numerous platforms.

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So, let’s look at the next TICKR-X feature: ANT+ Running Dynamics

This feature is only available with devices that support the ANT+ Running Dynamics standard, which only Garmin officially supports. COROS kinda went down that road with their pod, and Stryd kinda went down that road, as did RunScribe. But none really finished their journeys. I suppose in this context, given Garmin owns the vast majority of the higher end/endurance running market, that’s just fine.

So, to see these you’ll need a compatible Garmin watch. There’s a boatload of Garmin watches that have supported Running Dynamics since 2015. So, in theory, any of these watches will support it:

– Garmin Fenix 2/2SE/3/5/6 Series
– Garmin Forerunner 245/245M/620/630/635/645/645M Series
– Garmin Forerunner 920XT/935/945 Series
– Garmin Epix (yup, seriously)
– Plus other watches I’m invariably forgetting

All you’ll need to do is add it as a normal heart rate monitor:

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It’ll automatically detect the running dynamics data as part of the HR-RD profile, and you can validate that by seeing the Running Dynamics data page show up (if it doesn’t automatically show up, you can quickly add it via your activity settings):

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With that, you go off for a run and you’ll get the following data throughout the run:

– Ground Contact Time (GCT)
– Cadence
– Vertical Ratio
– Stride Length
– Vertical Oscillation

Note: The Wahoo TICKR X does NOT however transmit GCT Balance, whereas Garmin does.

Also as a reminder, the running dynamics profile *DOES NOT* transmit pace or distance (not even on a Garmin device). However, the TICKR-X can be paired as a running footpod instead, since it transmits that running pace data there instead:

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In addition to using a Garmin watch to view the Running Dynamics data, you can also use the Wahoo app. Once the TICKR X is paired up, simply start a run, and it’ll show and record your running efficiency metrics there live:

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Note that the running dynamics metrics are only recorded to the app if you use the app to start and record the entire time, the workout. You can’t use the device-free function to get anything other than heart rate.

The bigger question: How does it compare to Garmin’s data? So, I took out the HRM-TRI and ran side by side with the new TICKR-X. Well, I suppose they were atop/bottom. Either way, they were about 1” apart on my chest, and thus recorded the exact same run. Since these specific metrics are more about up/down/bounce/etc – they should be identical no matter the exact location on my chest. I recorded the TICKR-X data to a Garmin Fenix 6 Pro, and the HRM-TRI data to a Garmin FR945 (the HRM-TRI delivers the exact same Running Dynamics data as the HRM-RUN, it’s just the first strap I found).

I took this photo while running along. The differences in display brightness are purely due to the super-bright sun and me trying to get them on precisely the same angle/plane while not stopping running. They look identical in real-life. Also, the slight differences in transmission/reception rate causes differences in the exact data shown. Still, I think this basically demonstrates things nicely.

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And with that, here’s the data overlaid atop each other via the DCR Analyzer (you didn’t know it does Running Dynamics too?!?):

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You can see the three sets of lines (there’s a third set near the very bottom, the scale of the other two messes with it – more on that in a second. Each of those two sets are basically showing the Garmin metrics next to the Wahoo metrics – and the results are very close. There are some moments where the two diverge, but it’s hard to know which one exactly is right.

I mean, in order to do that I’d need at least a third source. Oh, right, let me enable the Stryd data I recorded too:

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Umm…Ok, I guess.

Look, I’m still waiting for someone – anyone (but really Garmin) to actually put in writing in more than a single marketing-speak paragraph how to use any of these metrics for training and racing. So, until that happens I’m not going to fuss about minor differences of a few percent between them.

But, if you want to – have at it! The full data set with all of them is here. And, on your Garmin Connect account, you’ll see all those stats too:

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In addition to Running Dynamics, you can use the TICKR X as a simple ANT+ or Bluetooth Smart footpod, including cadence. This means you’ll get pace shown from it, as well as heart rate and cadence. This is super useful in Zwift running, because it’s an all in one solution. Here you can see the single strap performing triple-duty:

Ok, so what about cycling cadence? How’s that? Ask and you shall receive. In my case, I decided to do a simple cadence step test to see where it might work or not work. In short – it was spot on with a pair of Vector 3 power meter pedals. Here’s that simple data set:

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The only places it dropped out was below about 47RPM, and above about 142RPM. Between those two points, no issues at all – whether on the handlebars, or seated vigorously scrolling through Instagram. I don’t know why it momentarily dropped out earlier on, but everything else was otherwise fine.

One slight oddity though is that something like this would be *PERFECT* for someone going to a hotel gym, or using an app like the Peloton app, which allows you to connect to both Bluetooth Smart heart rate sensors and cadence sensors. Except, it didn’t work. While I could see the sensor and pair to it, it just showed nothing for cadence despite pedaling away:

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Not sure if that’s a Wahoo problem or a Peloton problem, but I’m confident it’s technically an easy problem to fix. If either side decides to fix it.

And with that, we’ve covered just about everything there is to know about the new TICKR X. Given the similarity in data between the TICKR X and the Garmin HR straps, there’s virtually no reason to go out and buy an HRM-RUN strap these days since it lacks Bluetooth Smart connectivity (somehow, still). The HRM-TRI however is a trickier duck. That’s because that strap has storage for offloading your swim segment to your Garmin watch. Wahoo doesn’t play there with offloading to a watch, so you can’t offload that data from the TICKR-X to a Garmin watch (or a Polar watch, or a Suunto watch, or any watch). You can only download/save data to the Wahoo app and then sync that to various sites.

As such, for triathletes, the HRM-TRI is still grudgingly the only option if you want chest HR data on your Garmin. Maybe Wahoo can have their TICKR-X show-up correctly to a Garmin watch and we’d all be happy. Or Garmin could just update the HRM-TRI/RUN with Bluetooth and join 2016. Either way makes me happy.

Heart Rate Accuracy:

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Next we’ll look at heart rate accuracy. While it’s easy to assume chest straps are always correct, I can easily demonstrate that isn’t the case in any given week. The primary reason a chest strap will have issues is around connectivity, usually when the skin contact area is too dry to get good readings. This typically happens more frequently in fall and spring when the weather is right on the edge and you’re wearing lighter clothes but in cooler conditions (so you end up having less moisture/sweat). Whereas in winter with multiple layers the sweat tends to stick around and form a nice connectivity layer. And of course in summer you’re likely sweating like a water fountain.

Still, it’s easy for me to show places that connectivity is the issue. You can solve that via licking the strap at the beginning of the workout (to add moisture), by wetting the strap before you head outside, or by using heart rate strap gel.

In my testing, I’m comparing it against multiple sensors and straps. In the case of another chest strap, I basically situated one strap a bit higher and one a bit lower. Both snug, and neither touching. In doing this for a decade, I’ve never seen any issues with that (as people often vary the exact placement based on comfort).

For secondary sensors, I’m wearing one optical sensor device per wrist (such as a watch), and then sometimes another one (like a Polar OH1, TICKR FIT, or Whoop strap) up higher on the arm – far enough that it doesn’t impact the first sensor. Got all that? Good! Let’s dive into it.

First up is a run I just completed. Nothing crazy here, a few sprints tossed in. For this run, here was the arrangement:

A) Wahoo TICKR X (lower chest)
B) Garmin HRM-TRI (upper chest)
C) Garmin FR245 (hand-held, paired to Garmin HRM-TRI)
D) Polar Grit X (left wrist)
E) Garmin Fenix 6 (right wrist, paired to Garmin TICKR X)
F) Whoop band (upper right arm – but data not collected here in usable format)

So in other words, nothing was near anything else. Anyway, here’s that data:

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So…yeah. It’s almost identical…except the first 60 seconds. That’s where we see the TICKR X takes a bit longer to lock. Whereas the Garmin HRM-DUAL rises pretty normally over that time period. I wouldn’t expect that 45 seconds into a run I’d only be at 110BPM. So the higher value seems more likely. But at 59 seconds in, everything snaps into place.

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I do know that I had both straps rather wet, because I did so right before pressing start…pulling up my shirt and licking them as a woman and her baby in a stroller with a child on a scooter rolled past. I got less than desirable looks. Hey…I did it for science!

In any case, after that 60-second marker, there’s no difference between them, save the Polar Grit X’s spikes.

Next, we’ll switch to an interval workout indoors on a trainer. This too will be hideously boring from an analysis standpoint, see, here’s the data:

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Well, crap, that’s easy. The only errors here are from the Whoop strap early on, and some bumbles during recovery sections. The Polar Grit X bumps around a bit here and there too (though, fairly minor for it). This is actually a reasonably good showing from the Whoop for a higher intensity workout. It tends to do better with longer periods of time and slower builds. It doesn’t do well with short high-intensity bits.

Ok, so let’s go outside instead. Surely that’ll produce some TICKR failures that we can grind into? Look – it’s even got gravel on the route! Here’s that data. This time a Garmin HRM-DUAL strap, a Wahoo TICKR X strap, and a Polar Grit X watch.

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The Garmin and Wahoo straps are as identical as can possibly be. Even when they differ – it’s just a single beat (BPM) for a second or so, which is completely normal and expected given the transmission/recording rates. The Polar Grit X doesn’t have its best showing here.

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So, I guess we’ve gotta find another workout to break the TICKR.

Fine, how about another ride, with even more off-roading? More length, and more chances for vibrations to hose things up! Here’s the data. This ride technically only has three sets – the Wahoo TICKR, the Polar OH1 Plus, and the Polar Grit X watch:

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As usual, the Polar OH1 is near perfectly aligned to the Wahoo TICKR. That’s expected, because, it’s virtually always that good. Though, it (the Polar OH1 Plus) did struggle slightly in the first minute to gain lock. Kinda odd for it. Beyond that, you’ll see the Polar Grit X GPS watch wobbles a bit in certain sections – missing some power surges. That’s normal for it, but it should be noted that in general for a wrist-based optical HR sensor – the above is actually a really darn good set. Considering it’s two hours in length and the ‘misses’ are mostly confined to the first 10ish minutes and some minor mistakes in the last 5-8 mins. In any case, the TICKR X appears perfect here.

Well crap. It keeps working. I know, I’ll put it on a Peloton bike! Surely some sort of competitive something or other will cause it to break, right? Here’s the data:

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Oh snap! That’s what I’m talking about baby – look at that…failures! Finally. All it took was a bit of Peloton magic and boom, down goes the strap!

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However, one can’t exactly blame Peloton for this one…since…umm…I wasn’t recording it on a Peloton bike. In fact, I was recording it on a Zwift session next to it, as well as on a Garmin Fenix 6. So yeah, definitely was the Wahoo TICKR here. My guess is this looks like prime ‘not-wet-enough’ data. Which, is plausible, though not super common indoors. You can see at the 9-minute marker I noticed and probably gave it another lick or three, and it snapped back into action. The flat-line data is a good indicator of that.

One could blame user error here if they wanted, but at the same time – it also shows the benefit in some cases of optical HR sensors. After that point the sensors are all the same, except Whoop of course. It’s off marching to its own drum.

But put it back on a Zwift ride and it’s like Mac and Cheese – made for each other! This time versus the Whoop strap, and the optical HR sensors of the Polar Grit X and Garmin Fenix 6 Pro. Here’s that data set:

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The only errors here are those little spikes we see in the Polar Grit X (the norm for it) and a slightly rough start for the Fenix 6 Pro. But hey, in a rare show of correctness – the Whoop strap nailed it. See, sometimes it happens.

I could literally do this all day long. There’s nothing wrong with the strap. The only time you see issues is just like any other heart rate strap – when it’s not quite wet enough at the beginning of a workout. Simple as that.

Product Comparison:

Now, continuing the great Wahoo (and Apple) tradition of making it confusing to figure out which product is which because the name stays the same, I’ve dubbed this the 2020 version. Technically this is Wahoo’s 3rd heart rate strap (the first was the BlueHR, the second the original TICKR series) – plus there’s the TICKR FIT, which is the optical heart rate variant.

Since these are two different straps, I’ve compared them in two different ways via the product comparison database. First, for the base TICKR, I’ve compared it to the Polar H9 strap, the original TICKR, and the Garmin HRM-DUAL:

Function/FeatureWahoo TICKR (2020 Edition)Wahoo TICKR (Original)Garmin HRM-DUALPolar H9
Copyright DC Rainmaker - Updated October 13th, 2020 @ 4:21 am New Window
Price$49$49$69$59
Product Announce DateMay 7th, 2020Jan 6th, 2014Jan 30th, 2019January 29th, 2020
Product Availability DateMay 7th, 2020Apr 2014Jan 2019January 2020
Measurement TypeECGECGECGECG
Typical PlacementChest StrapChest StrapChest StrapChest Strap
Battery Life500 hours350 hours3.5 years1 year
Battery TypeCoin Cell CR2032Coin Cell CR2032Coin Cell CR2032Coin Cell CR2025
NFC CapableNoNoNoNo
HR TransmissionWahoo TICKR (2020 Edition)Wahoo TICKR (Original)Garmin HRM-DUALPolar H9
ANT+YesYesYesYes
Bluetooth SmartYES (Three BLE CHANNELS)YesYES (DUAL BLE CHANNELS)Yes
Dual concurrent ANT+/BLEYesYesYesYes
Analog for gym equipmentNoNoNoYes
Usable HR data underwaterNoNoNoYes (with certain older 5kHz watches)
Bridging ANT+ to Bluetooth SmartNoNoNoNo
Can record activity in memoryNoNoNoNo
Additional DataWahoo TICKR (2020 Edition)Wahoo TICKR (Original)Garmin HRM-DUALPolar H9
Run PaceNoNoNoNo
Run CadenceNoNoNoNo
Run Economy/MetricsNoNoNoNo
Cycling CadenceNoNoNoNo
Cycling Power Meter EstimationNoNoNoNo
Valid HRV/RR dataYesYesYesYes
Configurable Sport ModesNoNoNoNo
Displays HR ZonesNoNoNoNo
Requires Bluetooth Smart Phone for ConfigurationNoNoNoNo
Firmware UpdateableYes (iOS/Android)Yes (iOS/Android)YesYes
AppWahoo TICKR (2020 Edition)Wahoo TICKR (Original)Garmin HRM-DUALPolar H9
Can show workout afterwardsNoNoNoNo
Can sync files/workout to 3rd partyNoNoNoNo
More InfoLinkLinkLinkLink
PurchaseWahoo TICKR (2020 Edition)Wahoo TICKR (Original)Garmin HRM-DUALPolar H9
AmazonLinkLinkLinkLink
Backcountry.comLinkLink
Competitive CyclistLink
REILink
WiggleLinkLinkLinkLink

Then, for the TICKR X, I’ve compared it to the Polar H10 strap, the original TICKR X, 4iiii Viiiiva, and the Garmin HRM-RUN. In theory, I could add the Garmin HRM-DUAL here, but the simple version is that it doesn’t have storage (but does have Bluetooth Smart connectivity).

Function/FeatureWahoo TICKR X (2020 Edition)Wahoo TICKR X (Original)4iiii ViiiivaGarmin HRM-RUNPolar H10
Copyright DC Rainmaker - Updated October 6th, 2020 @ 4:45 am New Window
Price$79$79$79$99$89
Product Announce DateMay 7th, 2020Jan 6th, 2014Jan 7th, 2013Sept 16th, 2013Jan 5th, 2017
Product Availability DateMay 7th, 2020Sept 1st, 2014July 2013Nov 2013Jan 2017
Measurement TypeECGECGECGECGECG
Typical PlacementChest StrapChest StrapChest StrapChest StrapChest Strap
Battery Life500 hours1-2 Years200 hours1-2 years1-2 years
Battery TypeCoin Cell CR2032Coin Cell CR2032Coin Cell CR2032Coin Cell CR2032Coin Cell CR2025
NFC CapableNoNoNoNoNo
HR TransmissionWahoo TICKR X (2020 Edition)Wahoo TICKR X (Original)4iiii ViiiivaGarmin HRM-RUNPolar H10
ANT+YesYesYesYesYes (with firmware update)
Bluetooth SmartYES (Three BLE CHANNELS)YesYesNoYes (dual BLE channels)
Dual concurrent ANT+/BLEYesYesYesNoYes
Analog for gym equipmentNoNoNoNoYes
Usable HR data underwaterNoNoNoNoYES (WITH CERTAIN OLDER 5KHZ WATCHES)
Bridging ANT+ to Bluetooth SmartNoNoYesNoNo
Can record activity in memoryYesYesyesNoYes
Additional DataWahoo TICKR X (2020 Edition)Wahoo TICKR X (Original)4iiii ViiiivaGarmin HRM-RUNPolar H10
Run PaceYesYesNoNoNo
Run CadenceYesYesNoYesNo
Run Economy/MetricsYes (ANT+ Running Dynamics)YesNoYes (ANT+ Running Dynamics)Only to RaceFox app
Cycling CadenceYes (ANT+/Bluetooth Smart)YesNoNoNo
Cycling Power Meter EstimationNoNoCan pass through ANT+ PM'sNoNo
Valid HRV/RR dataYesYesYesYesYes
Configurable Sport ModesSorta via appSortaSortaNoSorta
Displays HR ZonesNoNoNoNoNo
Requires Bluetooth Smart Phone for ConfigurationNo DoubleTap onlyFor Running Metrics Only & DoubleTapYes (for bridging only)NoYes
Firmware UpdateableYesYesYesVia Garmin device/ANT+ StickYes
AppWahoo TICKR X (2020 Edition)Wahoo TICKR X (Original)4iiii ViiiivaGarmin HRM-RUNPolar H10
Can show workout afterwardsYesYesYesNoYes
Can sync files/workout to 3rd partyYesYesYesNoYes
More InfoLinkLinkLinkLinkLink
PurchaseWahoo TICKR X (2020 Edition)Wahoo TICKR X (Original)4iiii ViiiivaGarmin HRM-RUNPolar H10
AmazonLinkLinkLinkLinkLink
Clever TrainingLinkLinkLinkLink
REILink
WiggleLinkLinkLinkLink

Got all that? Phew! If not, swing over to the product comparison table dedicated to heart rate sensors to make your own chart goodness!

Oh…wait – you wanted some simple advice/comparison? Sure, no prob!

TICKR vs Any Other Strap For Basic HR: If all you need is transmission of ANT+/Bluetooth Smart heart rate data for your app/device, I don’t think there’s any device that beats the base TICKR at this price point – since everyone else is more expensive and has less Bluetooth Smart channels. It’s a no-brainer to me…however, if you don’t care about Bluetooth channels, and instead want storage or ANT+ to Bluetooth Smart conversion, then consider the 4iiii Viiiiva for about $10 more.

TICKR X vs Garmin HRM-RUN: If you don’t need GCT Balance or Garmin Running Power, then easy – get the TICKR X. No, the TICKR X will *NOT* work with Garmin’s Running Power App. This is hard-coded by Garmin to only work with their sensors, since they want to ‘preserve the fidelity of their calculations’ (summary of a very long conversation). If you don’t care about those two things, then easily get the TICKR X.

TICKR X vs Garmin HRM-TRI: This is really the hard one. First off, you’ve got the same lack of GCT Balance & Garmin Running Power compatibility, but you also don’t get any swimming data offloading to the Garmin watch. It’s still a bit fuzzy whether this is a Wahoo or Garmin limitation/gap, but the gap is there today. A Garmin watch cannot download data directly from the TICKR X, so you won’t get your swim data from it. But most newer Garmin watches support optical wrist HR swimming (albeit, it might suck). Again, this is by far the toughest one, because the lack of Bluetooth Smart in the HRM-TRI (or HRM-RUN) is infuriating.

TICKR X vs 4iiii Viiiiva: If you want device-free workouts, both do the trick, but I think Wahoo tends to do it more cleanly. On the flip-side, the 4iiii has ANT+ to Bluetooth Smart rebroadcasting. So if you’ve got older ANT+ only sensors, the Viiiiva is really the one to get. Accuracy-wise/etc they’re a wash. Though the Viiiiiva doesn’t have multi-channel Bluetooth connections, only one connection.

TICKR X vs Polar H10: Both straps are great, I’d probably give a slight edge to Polar on the strap quality aspects. The Polar H10 supports dual Bluetooth Smart and unlimited ANT+, but it also has analog too for gym machines. It has data saving on the strap, but it’s a mess to use (you have to start and stop it with the app, and it’s clunky AF and doesn’t send to all the partners Wahoo has). Also, the Polar strap is more expensive. I think if Polar cleaned up their app/offline piece, it’d be a solid contender again here (even with ‘just’ two Bluetooth channels), but to me it’s just not worth the hassle to use those features on the Polar right now.

Ok – hope this helps!

Summary:

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I know, it’s just another heart rate strap. But I don’t really think that’s the case. I think that with these very minor additions, primarily in the TICKR X range, Wahoo has stepped up the bar – and options – for runners specifically. And even more specifically, for runners with Garmin watches. Realistically, I’d struggle to find a reason you’d get the Garmin HRM-RUN strap these days. In the app-driven world, it’s antiquated without Bluetooth Smart connectivity. Meanwhile, Wahoo lets you connect three Bluetooth Smart apps at once and unlimited ANT+ connections. I mean, I suppose if you *really* wanted Ground Contact Time Balance (that specific metric), then sure. But I suspect there’s no reason why Wahoo can’t add that. And I also suspect you’ve never used that metric anyway.

It’s frankly hard to find much fault in either the TICKR or TICKR X. It’s been six years since the last refresh, and the heart rate strap product line has been around nearly a decade in total. At this point, it’s a well oiled functional beast. These modest upgrades are mostly more mechanical/electronics/protocols in nature rather than pure new features. They took their existing running efficiency metrics that already mirrored what Garmin had (before Garmin had it), and just retransmitted it according to the standard. They then took the updated chipsets used for their other products and put it in here to support multiple concurrent connections. And in the process things thinned out a bit.

One might argue that Wahoo could have added more capabilities akin to the 4iiii Viiiiva, to the $79 TICKR X– such as ANT+ to Bluetooth Smart pass-through/conversion, but I think in 2020 that’s becoming less and less of an issue. Most sensors made in the last 4-6 years are dual anyway. Older non-dual sensor tech is being phased out.

Thus, if you’re looking for a dual ANT+/Bluetooth Smart strap, the base $49 TICKR is probably the best all-around option right now. No strap has more connections, and it’s $10-$20 cheaper than the Garmin HRM-DUAL (which has two Bluetooth connections) – and cheaper yet still compared to Polar’s multi-connection straps. Seems a no-brainer to me.

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277 Comments

  1. 3 x wahoo links at the bottom are broken Ray

  2. JJS

    Thank you for another great review!!!
    Can I use Running Power via CIQ datafield with the TickrX?

    • Just tried it…nope.

      Which, Garmin had said since the very beginning – mainly because they want their metrics to be ‘known’ (as in, what feeds into them). I disagreed at the time and even wrote about it then too.

  3. Josh hopkins

    I used to have a Tickr and liked it. When it did break I went with the Garmin because of the strap. On the tickr, the strap is held onto your body by the two contact points on the back of the device, I’ve had it come unclipped in a race and come down twice because I was breathing really hard. The Garmin has its own connector with a hook and Loop (not velcro). The HRM snaps onto the front of the strap and there is no tension on the snaps. You can get replacement non wahoo straps on amazon that will work with the TIckr if your tired of it coming undone.

    • Chris Benten

      Same problem I have. I do not race but it is still a PITA.

    • Ken

      Yup…and one of the snaps on my Wahoo strap got rusted, so the Tickr fell off the strap. Fortunately, I had an old Garmin strap and the Tickr HRM (old style) snapped right on.

  4. Ian S

    Nice Ray, thanks for the comprehensive write up as ever. My Tickr is probably due a new one.

    But, wait, you really managed to get a Whoop band to track accurately? Share the secret….

  5. Klaus

    Do the new straps also fit the older Tickr heart rate sensors? Not sure how long they’ll keep stock of older straps and use it to get people to upgrade..

    • Yup, they do actually – just perfectly!

    • Craig

      I have a couple of new old style straps. Will old strap work with new sensor, I assume yes?

    • Yes, i validated this afternoon they’re swappable.

    • David W

      I had to do minor sanding to my original tickr strap to get it to work with the tickr2. Particularly the little nubs on the face with the snaps. Five minutes later it worked perfectly.

    • Ryan

      Odder question. Do the new straps work with the old detachable hard plastic Garmin pods.
      Have used the Wahoo Straps as replacement for my Garmin as it’s hard to get replacement actual Garmin straps.

    • samtrz

      I’ve used the straps from various brands (Garmin, PowerCal, OG Tickr) interchangeably without any issue. If the new strap works with the old pod, it seems likely it’d work with other brands, too.

  6. Will Robertson

    I bought a Wahoo cadence sensor for using with the Peloton app, but if this was able to do Cadence and Heartrate with that app I would probably grab it too.

    • Yeah, my guess is that’s it’s just a minor spec-compliance thing. Hopefully an easy fix!

    • Marathon Man

      Any thoughts whether they will release a Tickr Fit replacement with three bluetooth connections. I’d even settle for 2… can’t quite understand why Polar, Scosche or Wahoo can’t actually do that.

    • Historically it’s a chipset thing. My guess is the TICKR FIT is just beyond that threshold, looking at the date it was released and which chipsets people were using.

      Polar does it, fwiw, on their H10 strap.

    • Marathon Man

      Polar H10 does 2 simultaneous BT connections though, not 3 like the Tickr. I may have to get the Tickr just for that reason.
      I just don’t understand why a manufacturer can’t release an oHR device like Polar OH-1 with at least 2 x BT connections.

    • fneuf

      Does it also is usable as an outdoor (aka normal) cycling cadence sensor?

    • Nuno Miguel Pinto

      Did you got an anwer for that questions ? cadence for outdoor cycling

  7. JUN

    Since it can paired as a foot pod. does it compatible with Zwift run?

  8. Roni

    Does it support swimming activities as well?
    Is it suitable for Triathlona?

    • It’ll record your HR whenever you put it on, but it’s not compatible to download post-workout with a Garmin watch in triathlon mode. 🙁

    • Matthew Weigel

      Is it fair to say that with a water resistant rating of IPX7, it’s NOT suitable for swimming? Whether you can get that data onto your watch later or not, I would worry about putting it on before the start of a triathlon, swimming in it, and then expecting to have HR data from it on the bike or the run.

      If I understand correctly, if you want to wear an HRM strap during an entire triathlon, your options are the HRM-Tri from Garmin (ANT+ only, supports ANT+ running dynamics, will sync HR data with Garmin triathlon watch after you get out of the water), or any of the sensors from Polar (H9, H10, OH1) that support both ANT+ and Bluetooth but don’t support running dynamics and don’t sync HR data with Garmin triathlon watches.

    • IPX7 is technically 1 meter deep for 30 mins. Most straps are IPX7 certified, and I’ve never killed any strap swimming with it occasionally (nor have I heard of anyone that’s certain they’ve killed one that way).

      Your understanding is correct. It’s mind-boggling there isn’t an updated Garmin HRM-TRI type strap with Bluetooth Smart.

    • Pavel Vishnyakov

      Hi Ray,
      considering that recent Garmin watches have wrist HR for swimming, would TICKR + wrist HR be an cheap alternative to HRM-TRI?

    • Thanks for being a new DCR Supporter Pavel (oh, and make sure ya sign-in to get the nifty icon next to your name!).

      As for TICKR + Wrist HR, it would indeed work well. The only ‘gap’ you’d have in that scenario vs the HRM-TRI is (beyond swimming) the lack of GCT Balance and lack of Garmin Running Power support.

      Also – of note to others, I just added (a few seconds ago), a new chunk of comparisons after the comparison table with simple recommendations comparing the TICKR/TICKR X to each of their competitors and what it works or doesn’t work well for. Hope it helps!

    • Paul Voorend

      I’ve heard rumours for quite some time that Garmin are meant to be releasing an HRM-PRO (or similarly named) strap which is meant to replace the Tri and bring in Bluetooth. Every expo and Garmin stand that I’ve seen have said that there is meant to be something in the works but not any strict news or ETA.

      This comment by Ray “It’s mind-boggling there isn’t an updated Garmin HRM-TRI type strap with Bluetooth Smart” tells me that he’s not even aware of anything in the works.

      Or.. maybe there is but he would be under an NDA to not say anything about it. Personally I’m sticking with the HRM Tri until the new Garmin one gets released.. and then I’ll be all over it like a fat kid on cake.

  9. Pavel Vishnyakov

    TICKR vs HRM-Run is a solved problem now, but what about TICKR vs HRM-TRI?

  10. Simon

    Regarding thickness, is it flatter than the previous so the total thickness when laid flat on a table it stands in total less proud? Also I found the plastic on the original tickr to feel a bit cheap – has this improved?

    • That’s the part i measured above, its thicker.

    • Trey

      You measured at the middle of the TICKR itself, what about where it meets with the strap? You mentioned that it’s more flush there than before. Perhaps they’re including that in their “thickness” measurement.

      Still a silly thing to boast about.

    • It’s tricky there, as the slope is slightly different. At that center-point point, it’s plausible the difference is 0.1-0.2mm thinner on the new strap briefly (then it gets thicker again). But that’s a far cry from the 10% claims, and is again, only for that tiny area measuring less than 0.5cm across.

      However, the rest of the edge connection point is far thicker because the new strap doesn’t taper like the old one does.

  11. Frank Besseling

    Question: can you measure resting heartrate with the new TickrX?

    The “old” one can’t because it shuts off when your heart rate is below 70 (or something) for 5 minutes. Good for battery life, but unpractical if you want to know your resting heartrate.

  12. baratz

    Hi Ray, the best review… as always!
    Just a question, what about lactate threshold (auto)-detection using a TICR-X with Garmin watch?

    It works like HRM-TRI (it asks you if you want to update the heart-rate zones based on your newer lactate threshold detected) or no?

    Thanks man

    • Pavel Vishnyakov

      Last week I’ve got a prompt on my Garmin watch to update lactate threshold with the data from old-Gen TICKR. So I assume that this functionality is still there

    • baratz

      Thanks Pavel, very usefull answer! big up

  13. JayDee

    So this doesn’t solve the corrosion problem I guess. I have the old TICKR and when measuring morning HRV it makes trouble after some time of use. I have to clean the contacts, because of the necessary washing and removing. Also my old TICKR was warrantied because one of the pins used to secure the strap broke, making it unusable. Guess this problem will persist.
    Other than that I’ve been happy with it, but these trouble will make me go to other brand next time I think.

  14. Nuno Pinto

    Can we use the TICKR X as a run pod in ZWIFT ?

  15. Remy

    Hi Ray,

    Do yo know if the current TICKR X will receive an firmware update so you can use it with a Garmin Watch incl. Running Dynamics?

  16. Giorgio

    Hi Ray, how is the foot pod pace accuracy with the tickrX ?

    • I didn’t test it this go-around, but did previously and it was mostly OK. Honestly, the weather has been too nice here!

      I’ll wait for a rainy day and see if anything has changed!

    • Jan

      As an alternative, to be able to use it outside, you could pull out something old without internal cadence, like my trusty 910XT, or something without GPS (for pace/distance) for comparison.

      While you are at it, I’d love to see you mix something as old as that 910XT in one of your upcoming watch reviews for GPS accuracy. Just out of curiosity how 2011 technology holds up against that of today (of course, after letting it sit outside for like 10 minutes while getting changed to get a good fix, especially for altitude 😉 ).

      Thanks for all your work!

    • …there’s some hints in recent videos on what I’m doing on that front. 🙂

      Stay tuned!

    • Jan

      Great, thanks, I’ll see if I can find the hints (normally I just read here and don’t view the videos) and will definitely keep on reading your posts!

      /personal mode on
      I bought the 910XT partly based on your review early 2012. Read just about every blogpost since, but still use the same watch. It’s still going strong, does everything I really need, and my time spent on sports has mostly gone down the hill ever since. But tempted to buy something new everytime I read a review of potential successor. Sometime, I guess, sometime…
      /personal mode off

    • Dylan

      Sorry for off-topic:

      I’m pretty sure there was a Garmin 305 in the Karoo-Post.

      Having owned that device, it was the best GPS that I ever had. Really, there is a half marathon nearby that I run every year in some difficult terrain (gps-wise) and all the devices I had since then (920XT, 935) would struggle and deviate by a good 10m to every side. When I looked at an old 305 track, that thing was rocksolid and stable.
      That Sirfstar Chipset was really good, if they could just do something like that with less battery burn..

      Really looking forward to that post, going to be interesting!

  17. Jordi

    Does the double tapping feature allow control of laps / music on a Garmin watch or is it purely for the use of the phone app?

  18. usr

    I don’t get HRM hardware design: why would you stack the PCB with the 2032 when you could just as well make the unit slightly longer (or wider, if you want to risk a fresh new look) and have them side by side, allowing a much flatter profile?

  19. Derek

    Hi Ray. My issue has always been syncing to its very own Wahoo Roam. Specifically if I connected to Zwift via Bluetooth, my Roam computer would not be able to read the Tickr via Ant+. Wondering if this will be fixed?

    • I actually validated exactly that while shooting b-roll today in the video. Except, the SD card literally filled up 5 seconds before that occurred. In any case, definitely worked here. Though honestly, that should absolutely work before. It almost sounds like the ROAM was initially paired via BLE.

  20. Graydon

    I’ve been very happy with the old TickR models, and look forward to the new ones, thank-you for the review. My only complaint, with Wahoo, has been the straps. 2 of the 3 Wahoo straps have become delaminated. They’re still useable, for while. I’ve since been buying Garmin replacement straps, which are much better quality; stay tighter longer and last way longer.

  21. Joel

    OHRM vs strap questions.

    Lately ive been wondering about the effects of lower cadence and HR on OHRM.
    I have a polar OHR+ and it works great. My cadence is about 190 normal and up to 210 on races or hard efforts.
    I seen cases where my “HR” has gone to 203 and that happen to match my cadence.

    I have a friend who uses the OHR on his 945. His cadence when going easy is about 170. On races or hard efforts he can get to 190 and again his HR tends to get as high as his cadence and looks like they are matching. he is trying to figure out his max HR but it seems to be hard, because we dont know if what he is seeing is his HR or his cadence!

    I know they are “fail safe” on the devises to mitigate the effect. But do they really work? Is there data to see what happens the HR matches the cadence?

    TIA!

    • Andrew M

      “Cadence lock” (where external light enters the sensor in a rhythmic way) is a tricky issue, as you can’t really filter it out via software, as HR of 190 or even 210 is entirely feasible for some people.

      The best approach is to try to get a better seal against external light entering the sensor and minimizing movement of the watch on the wrist, by tightening the band and ensuring it is on the fleshy part of the wrist well away from the wrist bone. I find I have to have the band on my Garmin one notch tighter for running than I do for 24/7 monitoring.

  22. Hi !
    Do you know if TickrX mesure HRV ?
    Thk u

  23. Nathan B

    Shame there’s still no option for Bluetooth connectivity AND swim recording.

    Did the Scosche Rhythm24 ever get that fabled update in the end Ray?

    • Sadly no update yet that I’m aware of.

      I’m still a bit fuzzy on who’s fault that is. Garmin has long insisted (for many many many years) that it’s an open spec. Scosche mostly said otherwise, but they offloaded most of their work to NPE. NPE knows their stuff inside and out here (arguably better than Garmin/ANT+ in many cases/scenarios).

      But I don’t know if perhaps Scosche didn’t fund that, or what. Again, fuzzy.

  24. Seamus B.

    Great review Ray. Disappointed in the lack of GCT balance. I have found this to be the most useful running dynamic metric. Over time alignment of my lower back / pelvis drfits and this is perfectly captured in my GCT favouring one side over the other. Acts as a great injury prevention tool. The HRM-Tri/Run does the job but I really dislike the pod built into the strap. Maybe a forthcoming Garmin strap with swappable pod??

    • I’d suggest mentioning it to Wahoo. They didn’t seem opposed to it per se, just hadn’t seemed to come across their to-do list yet.

    • Seamus B.

      Thanks Ray, I’d be a certain buyer with this added. Useful actionable data, you can see where I get straightened up!

  25. Dan

    Ray, Wish you had a table for Heart Rate Sensors!

    Offhand, which optical heart rate monitors offer multiple bluetooth connections. Want to replace my Scosche Rhythm24 because I need something to record on both an iPad and Apple TV.

    Appreciate all you do!

    • I do! I just ran out of time to add it in before hitting publish.

      It’ll be up here in the next hour.

      For multi-connections that are optical, none offer multiple BLE (well, it’s plausible the Mio Pod does off-hand, but I’d need to double-check my own notes – but I don’t think it does).

  26. Lee

    Can’t believe they are still using poppers as the connection. I have returned 4 straps due to sweat corroding the popper and this then breaking.

  27. iker

    Is there a technical reason why older Tickr-Run do not broadcast running dynamics except to the wahoo phone app?

  28. Patrick Renschler

    Do you know if the HRV data transmitted over ANT+ is accurate?

    The old TICKR HR straps do not transmit accurate HRV data over ANT+, only over BLE. This was the primary reason I decided to buy the Garmin Dual strap a few months ago, because I needed to connect to my tablet with BLE and that only left ANT+ for my headunit, but the HRV data coming in over ANT+ was leading to inaccurate Training Performance / First Beat metrics.

    • Patrick Renschler

      They talk about it a little here, I’ve also seen it discussed in the TrainerRoad forums, and there’s one other HRV app iirc.

      link to help.elitehrv.com

    • Steve Short

      I’ve just tested this by logging the ANT+ data to a Garmin ForeRunner at the same time as logging the BTLE data to the Elite HRV iOS app. Comparing the ANT+ HRV data to the HRV data exported from Elite HRV it’s obvious that nothing has changed from the original Wahoo TICKR: the ANT+ HRV data is inaccurate. It’s odd that Wahoo didn’t get this right in the original TICKR and it’s unacceptable that they haven’t fixed it in the TICKR V2. I’ll be returning my TICKR V2 for a refund.

  29. klaus

    On the FCC Side from January 2020 i see three new Models on the Label PDF ( link to fccid.io
    ): WFBTHR04, WFBTHR04 X and WFBTHR04G). So will be there something more later this year?

    Because FCC has only one ID i think the Hardware from Tickr and TickrX is the same and all is done with software. Can you confirm that?

    Does Wahoo use the same ANT+/BLE Chip like Garmin and Polar ?

  30. Roberto Cuadro

    As much as like the new TICKR HRMs I guess I will just stick with the HRM-Tri for outside and TICKR-X for indoor… No offloading workouts to my fenix, after a swim, is a deal breaker since I already have the HRM-Tri

  31. John W

    The TICKR X looks a good replacement for my 4iiii Viiiiva strap which has started playing up. I use it on the appleTV with zwift with a wahoo cadence sensor, as they never added cadence broadcasting with the 2017 Kickr I have.

  32. Simon Peter

    Does the run dynamics on TICKR X work with garmin viviactive 4 ?

  33. LKT

    Hi, basic question. If I use the optical sensor on the 945 for running what am I missing here?

    • You wouldn’t get running dynamics with just the optical HR sensor. Whether or not that’s valuable is a different question..

    • The Real Bob

      And that fact that wrist base optical sensors are quite lousy. My 935 is grossly inaccurate. When running it reads high by 30 bpm. Throw on an external sensor, either arm OHR or chest and do a similar run. You will be shocked how bad the wrist based HR is. Now, as DC say everyone is different so maybe your 945 is fine.

  34. Tom Hunt

    Are Garmin likely to bring out a ‘HRM Tri Dual’ anytime soon? My previous HRM Tri died after 2 years solid use, and I pulled the trigger on a Polar H10 (Which has been fantastic so far) but would be good to see Garmin update to current standards in the field!

  35. Hugo Paredes

    Hey Ray.

    Another great review.

    Don’t you’ve any affiliate links for an European store?

    Cheers.
    Hugo

  36. Charles Anderson

    Are these straps washable like the Garimin ones? My wife appreciates that feature!

  37. Vince

    Ray, maybe I missed this, but does this solve the AppleTV problem with Zwift and not enough Bluetooth connections if it broadcasts HR and Cadence? My Zwift Companion app often cuts out.

    • Mark Wheeler

      I’d also be very interested in understanding whether I can switch out my Viiiiva for getting HR and Cadence into an Apple TV with a Kickr 2017.

    • Ryan

      I’m also wondering the same thing, hopefully Ray or someone else can chime in and give us an update. I’d love to stop relying on the Zwift companion app.

    • Rick

      I just purchased an Apple TV and installed Zwift. I have the older TickrX and my cadence along with my HR is broadcast into the Apple TV/Zwift. So yes, it fixes the issue of Apple TV not having enough bluetooth connections.

  38. stephane lefebvre

    Hey Ray,
    I was looking for a replacement for my 4i Viiiiva HR belt. I’m was expecting that could be that but it doesn’t do the Ant+ Bridge to Bluetooth (which I need for my PowerMeter and FootPod).
    Do you have any other good recommendation for the bridge aspect?

    Thx,
    Steph

  39. Fabrice

    Hi Ray, thx for the review. To be sure : does Zwift recognize TickrX as a cycling cadence sensor ?

  40. Carl Forde

    “indoor cycling cadence” not outdoor too? What’s the difference?
    I’d really like to get rid of that wart on the side of my chain stay.

    • Ralph Meertens

      yea also interested on this. Why only indoor a specific reason? I mean if it monitors the movement of the body and interpolates that as cadence it should work outdoor as well. Maybe Rainmaker can shine some light on this? 😀

    • The main reason is because the algorithms measuring the cadence are using accelerometers to detect the subtle movements from your legs. Once you go outside there’s too much noise in most cases (vibration/movement/etc) noise to detect that. Still, I’ll give it a whirl next time I’m outside and see how bad it is (or isn’t).

    • fneuf

      Does that mean there is an hidden manual possibility to activate the “Cycling cadence” metric on a TICKR X?

    • It technically always broadcasts cycling cadence over ANT+/Bluetooth Smart.

    • Carl Forde

      That makes sense because it doesn’t know where you are. How accurate is the cadence outdoors? How much does the “noise” matter? I’m guessing that depends on the terrain, and speed(?)

    • fneuf

      Interesting, I was supposing the cadence data was only “there” or “usable” when paired to their own app on the indoor cycling mode. It’s a proper standard cadence profile that is broadcasted?

  41. Kevin

    Hi Ray,
    Runners here, how accurate is the stride per minutes and stride lenght compared with stryd ?

  42. Marklemcd

    What’s the range of measurable heart rates for these? I ask cuz i had the tickr before and could never get it below 35 when measuring my resting heart rate, and im regularly in the 30-32 range.

  43. Jeff Nelson

    Ray, have you done any analysis on how accurate the TRICKER X is when it’s used as a run pod?

    Thanks for the great review!!

    • Not recently. I did in the past, though honestly have no idea where I put that data.

      Looks like there’s a single rainy day in the forecast next week, so I’ll schedule a treadmill run then.

    • Jeff Nelson

      Great would love to know how it compares to other run pods specifically the Stryd footpod.

      Looking forward to seeing how it compares.

    • Yagel

      Hi Ray, if you’ve done that treadmill accuracy test i’ll be happy if you could share your thoughts.
      I’m in a point to decide whether i’d buy a separate foot pod and a hr strap or wait for this one to arrive.

      Thanks.

  44. Jason

    “As such, for triathletes, the HRM-TRI is still grudgingly the only option if you want chest HR data on your Garmin.” Your referring only to in water swim HR data correct?

    Regarding running and cycling TICKRX can be paired ant+ to provide chest HR, running Dynamics, cadence, pace, and everything except running power all simultaneously. Is that correct?

  45. Ingo

    Wondering if the Polar Grit X is still “easily among the best out there” when I am reading your special mentions here. I felt pretty bullish on the Polar after your in-depth but now that I am looking at some of the charts here again I dunno…

    • It’s struggled a bit lately, mostly because there was a slightly higher concentration of outdoor rides here than my other sets.

      That said, most of my issue with the Grit X is those spikey things (as noted in my review). The challenge is it just ends up looking way worse here because I’m comparing multiple straps and the OH1 Plus. So it’s sorta like comparing a perfectly formed cookies from a package with those a 2-year old made. Roughly. 🙂

  46. Jared

    I’m really surprised Wahoo hasn’t released an Apple Watch running app to go with the Tickr.

  47. fl33tStA

    oh no, 3 days ago i bought HRM Dual :-\

  48. Adam

    Is there any update on the Garmin HRM-PRO? Some press releases for the fenix 6 mentioned it, but complete silence since! IIRC it was purported to be the HRM-DUAL (i.e. ANT+ & BT) with running dynamics support added in, which is exactly what I’m looking for.

    Funnily enough, GCT Balance is the main running dynamics metric that I actually use and this doesn’t include it 🙁 I find it very handy as a crude proxy for running form, especially during intervals; if I maintain good form GCT Balance stays fairly equal, but if I let the form slip then it really skews. Knowing that my Garmin is recording this and reviewing it afterwards definitely helps keep my form in check. But yeah, goodness knows what I’m supposed to do with my vertical oscillation?!

  49. Kris

    The difference for me, compared to other HR Monitors, the Wahoo one feels like cheap plastic. It even makes sounds like it’s gonna brake, when I remove the unit from the strap.

  50. Christophe Rémond

    Hi,

    Thank you for sharing this information!
    A point of detail: you say (in the final table) that the Garmin HRM-Run (firmware) is not updatable. This is not quite true (even if it’s been a long time that updates are not published anymore) : link to www8.garmin.com
    🙂

    • Thanks. Yeah, I had originally named that line-item “Firmware Updateable via phone”, but then renamed it last year. The HRM-RUN/TRI are only updateable via other devices. Will update!

  51. fl33tStA

    when Garmin Information is correct, then HRM Dual have essential more Battery Life (3,5 years with 1 hour use every day)!

    365 x3,5 = ~1.277 hours

  52. Neil Jones

    Hi Ray – I see that the TICKR provides HRV data, but do you know if it sends R-R interval data on ANT+ *and* Bluetooth? IIRC, some dual HRMs only send the R-R intervals over BT.

    Hoping this will prompt Garmin to push out a HRM-Dual Run, which I was expecting to be imminent after they launched the HRM-Dual well over a year ago. That said, hopefully if they ever do they’ll now take Wahoo’s lead and allow two (or more) concurrent Bluetooth connections so I don’t have to deal with greedy treadmills stealing my BT HRM connection without asking (which I guess technically raises some data privacy issues when a person running on a treadmill near me in the gym gets my HR data on their treadmill display!)

    • Yup, I just checked both TICKR & TICKR X for RR data, and it shows on Bluetooth Smart. I’ve added to the review the screenshots from the Elite HRV app (towards the end of ‘The Basics’ section).

      Hope that helps!

    • Adam

      See my comment a few posts above. The Garmin HRM-Dual with Running Dynamics was publicly referenced in various press releases around the fenix 6 as the “HRM-PRO”, but hasn’t actually made it to market as yet.

      Maybe Garmin are struggling/revising the product with respect to multiple BT connections; maybe they’re saving it for the launch of their next big product (next Edge 1000-series?); maybe they’re trying to integrate running power like the RD-POD… who knows?! I want one though, just so that I can use a single HR-strap for turbo trainer and running.

    • Fwiw…I’ve never seen a Garmin press release with the words “HRM-PRO” in them.

    • Patrick Renschler

      Hey Ray – Thanks for checking but could you check the Ant+ channel also?

      The test I would do is run a HRV Stress Test activity on your garmin watch, once with the strap paired over BLE and once with it paired over Ant+. (Or even better do the test simultaneously with two different watches).

      The numbers should be similar.

      With the old Wahoo strap, the numbers were totally different because the Ant+ R-R intervals were whack.

    • Adam

      How about this? I’m assuming Blacks didn’t just invent the name themselves (or write any of the copy for that matter):

      link to blacks.co.uk

    • Eni

      There have been some rumors about the HRM-Pro circulating, but no official statement from Garmin (easily checked with a quick google search). Your link is just another of those rumors having been picked up by some author. But as Ray stated: no GARMIN press release out there. So, nothing official exists.
      Now, that’s not to say there wasn’t a HRM-Pro in planning (and even still might be).

    • Adam

      Come on mate! I know next-to-nothing about consumer retail, but it’s blatantly obvious that the Garmin press-office will write a huge proportion of those product pieces and circulate them to media and retailers to be published as an advertorial. It’s not baseless rumours, it’s clearly a product that’s been rolled back on.

      If it was close enough to release that it’s being referenced in press documentation then there’s a good chance Ray has used one, or at the very least heard about it, so I don’t know why he’s trying to vaguely imply that it doesn’t exist? It doesn’t help readers to make an informed purchasing decision.

    • Honestly, Garmin doesn’t do that. Some companies do – but really, Garmin has far better things to do than write pieces. Plus, there’s no reason too – they’re a big enough company that more than enough people will cover their stuff.

      Garmin writes basically two re-distributable things with each product launch – once these things happen – stuff actually is going to go live within a week or two:

      A) Press release (usually 1-2 pages long), with imagery
      B) Retailer sales copy, which includes the following:
      – Text to include on sales pages in usually three word-count lengths
      – Imagery to include on sales pages (both product and so-called ‘lifestyle’)
      – Various product comparison sheets, usually to older Garmin products (or others being announced at the same time)

      That’s it. Garmin will sometimes work with ambassadors or sponsored athletes to get them product, and sometimes they’ll sell ads through various media outlets. But Garmin doesn’t do the things you noted. Frankly, they’re not coy/etc enough to do so. They’re from Kansas, and you see that risk-adverse nature through and through in how they conduct things. Again, some companies do, but I’ve never seen Garmin do that, or heard from anyone else that Garmin is doing it.

      Sometimes retails will go off-script on sales copy (and they can if they want). The smart ones don’t, because they know that almost always get them in trouble when they imply/say something has a feature that it doesn’t. The sales copy (for most companies) is so tightly written as to be as crystal-clear as possible. Nobody wants to deal with returns or unhappy customers, it costs too much money.

      Typically instead, leaks occur via the following manners:

      A) Self-inflicted wound #1: Garmin.com for example showing a product when it’s not yet out, typically due to early staging or date changes or just a stupid human mistake.
      B) Self-inflicted wound #2: Garmin (or Wahoo, usually) forgetting they pushed back a product and didn’t update the FCC confidentiality data to match that. So the FCC leaks it on their behalf.
      C) Retailer highly-detailed leak: This is actually super rare these days, because retailers don’t get the sales packages (noted above) until much closer in than they used to.
      D) Media leak: Again, this is also super-rare, because most media doesn’t get this info until a few days to a week out. Magazine related leaks sometimes happened in the past when companies would buy ads for new products and then the products would get delayed. But the timelines are much tighter these days that doesn’t usually happen.
      E) General leak: This is when someone says something, or perhaps passes on a product presentation or such. Also pretty rare.
      F) Manufacturing leak: I’ve never seen this with Garmin specifically, probably because they own their own factories and can control things far better than a giant like Apple. It also helps very few people (in the grand scheme of things), care about Garmin leaks.

      If a date for a product gets pushed back after those sales/media releases are sent out, it’s usually only pushed back a week or two – never months. Which again, tells you something.

      The vast majority of leaks these days from Garmin specifically are A & B above. Like, 95-98% of them. When those happen – especially item B (FCC), sometimes people assume that a product is close. Again, that’s often not the case. Many times products have been shelved entirely, are for morphed into other things. FCC approval processes are often done 6+ months in advance, and usually dependent on a lot of things going right.

      Finally – I’m not here being coy. I’m being straight-forward about how the process works, while not sitting here circulating rumors for clicks.

  53. Peter

    Just a Friday semantics comment for completeness sake:

    ‘Next, we’ve got the TICKR X. This is Wahoo’s higher-end strap and includes additional features that the baseline TICKR doesn’t. Specially, here’s what’s different:

    – Measures indoor cycling cadence -> Old X did this as well. Used it on rollers.

    Thanks

    • Sorry, I’m referring to TICKR vs TICKR X there – where I say: “that the baseline TICKR doesn’t”

      The items listed with the [new] are new in the TICKR X 2020. Does that make sense?

  54. Niels

    So I wonder, is it normal/accepted for these straps to break about every 6-12 months? So far I’ve gone through maybe 3-4 tickrs in the past few years. At some point they all started giving a (semi) stationary heart rate (strap replacement wouldn’t help). Perhaps I have very aggressive sweat :p

    • It’s normally abnormal.

      I see it across all strap vendors, but usually very specific to an individual – whereby they just chew through HR straps like eating candy. From watching this segment for about a decade now, it seems like certain people have perspiration that more easily damages straps than others. Sometimes changing vendors helps (slightly different materials/etc…), but I wouldn’t take it as a sign that one strap is better than the other per se. Rather, just different materials that your sweat doesn’t kill.

    • Leo

      You know somehow the elastometer based watchstraps seem to last much longer. Wonder if some manufacturers could incorporate this material into a HRM strap. Just a thought.

    • DallasJava

      I really enjoy your reviews. I went through four or five Wahoo straps over about a year and half. The sensor pads would delaminated. Is this my sweat breaking down the adhesive? I’ve only seen this on the wahoo straps and not Garmin or Polar ones.

    • GLT

      One of the lucky few that has exceptionally few issues with HRM use. Have an original TICKR X that handles all my indoor cycling needs and is pristine.

      I suspect normal variation in body chemistry is one of the things involved. There are some prescription medications that will get sloughed off in perspiration too. Some casual education on sports nutrition over the winter suggests that routinely exercising with insufficient carbohydrates will increase nitrogen content of perspiration allowing ammonia build-up. Whether all products that are “sweat proof” target the same level of ammonia tolerance would be interesting to know.

      Whether trace amounts of laundry detergent or bath soap are involved is another open question.

      Acid rain isn’t in the spotlight as much as it once was, but it is still a thing.

    • ChrisTexan

      True/not true. A lot of that is comfort factor, but I’ve had a Polar v800 strap break (and it was common when they were more visible in the market), sadly it’s my favorite watch strap, and you can’t get factory replacements, the generic Amazon knock-offs have poor ventilation by comparison.
      I’ve also had the one-piece Polar HR strap on an earlier watch (T10 I think is the model?) and it was “all-elastomer” across the front, and the part where the strap buckle locks in to the chest piece, broke (on the chest piece itself, not the strap part) so no guarantees on those either.
      I’d suggest anyone having strap issues, replace the “strap” portion (they are pretty much all sensor-interchangeable) with the H10-style strap. Has better chest sensor coverage, better “stickiness” for swimming or really sweaty conditions, and so far, mine has lasted longer than my H7, or T10 ever have, and no problems (3 or 4 years in, typically I get 2 tops before the sensor pads start losing sensitivity, or something physically breaks per above).
      I think they call it the “Pro Strap” and it’s unfortunately around $35 (compared to I think $20-ish for typical?) but it’s (IMO) a much better overall strap, and as indicated, seems in my experience to be pretty durable (I was mine after every workout, just in case anyone was thinking that might be a wear concern).

  55. David

    “My guess is this looks like prime ‘not-wet-enough’ data. Which, is plausible, though not super common indoors”

    May actually be interference or a software bug, since the original TICKR and TICKR X both do the same thing on occasion when I’m running or riding indoors, and I sweat like crazy on a treadmill.

    It’s pretty rare though (in my opinion, of course) but the frustrating element is that once it’s lost track of your heart rate it doesn’t really recover it.

  56. jww

    Wahoo makes excellent HR straps, mostly excellent trainers, a cool trainer table, and, ok, the bike computers have become meh. But great for the industry, keep Garmin honest, all that jazz.

    But the one common theme is Wahoo ALWAYS introduces inaccuracy in marketing. Be it doctored photos, wind resistance claims, and here is another on thickness/weight.

    This has become too consistent to be coincidence, right? Either marketing is given impossible demands, has no oversight, or there’s an intentional “any coverage is good coverage” thought process?

    At end of day quality/innovation are what matter, but this is becoming a great running subplot in endurance tech.

  57. Mike Van Hoozer

    Ray, great review and insight as always! What is your thought about the Wahoo TICKR or TICKRX compared to the features of the Rhythm 24 for both indoor and outdoor running as well as cycling including indoor on Wahoo KICKR using Zwift?

  58. pavlinux

    Kubios data :)))

  59. Erik

    Perhaps a stupid question, but how can a chest strap determine cycling cadence exactly? You don’t move the pedals with your chest, no?

    • GLT

      Presumably the accelerometers are that sensitive. Garmin’s HRM-Tri & Running Dynamics pod pick up very subtle details of movement as well.

  60. Raul Freitas

    Hi Ray, how precise it is for run pace measurement? I’m thinking of Zwift runs, on a treadmill.
    Specifically wondering how well can it handle pace variations? Cadence I get, but speed will change strife length, which I’m not sure it will be able to detect based on different vertical oscillations…
    Comments?
    Cheers, thanks

  61. Charlie R. Japadermawan

    I have bought two units of TICKR X (the old model) and neither of them lasted more than a year. Even though, I only used the second one sparingly for races only. The only advantage of Wahoo HRM is their dual-band capabilities , Bluetooth and ANT+. As for the cadence (both cycling and running) features were useless since they very far off, even from Wahoo Cadence. The memory should also be utilized to record swim.

    IMHO, Garmin HRM is definitely lasted longer, the longest one is Garmin Swim HRM.

  62. Jared

    Are there any apple watch apps that can record the running dynamics over bluetooth? I don’t want to carry phone with me

  63. Ben

    Do you k ow if it works with Garmins VO2 calculations on say on a garmin 935?

  64. Mick

    Hi

    Many thanks for your extensive review.

    As Wahoo has claimed that the other measures than the thickness are smaller, could you please also measure the length and width of the Tickr 2? It would be interesting to know because the slimmed down size is the main reason to upgrade for me. I’m already disappointed because of the thickness lie.

    Many thanks in advance.

  65. fneuf

    What is the status of workout apps, reps counting and so on, that what advertised in the original launch of KICKR products?

    If I remember correctly I’ve never been able to found (and download) the “7 minute workout” app that was advertised on the product packaging. Does the whole idea vanished?

  66. Gerald H

    So this made check again the availability of A Viiiiva in Europe – the possibility to bridge Ant+ to BTE is damn handy. They have an offer on Mantel, availability OK also. Now I can use my PM data both on Polar and Rouvy.

  67. DM Hart

    Unfortunately no direct link to amazon.nl to support you, clicking the .de brings me to a weird circa 1995-version of amazon.de that doesn’t load pictures, just basic text?

  68. flokon

    The H10 does have running dynamics. It’s just that noone except RaceFox uses it (is allowed to?).

  69. Jeffrey F.

    It’d be interesting to hear your experience with longevity (of the prior models, of course). I’ve never had a Wahoo product that lasted much more than a year of normal use.

    Also interesting that these don’t have “L” and “R” marked on the back, as with every other HR-strap unit I own. I guess they just expect you to honor the logo on the front 😀

    • fneuf

      Second that, I even wonder if some third-part studies have ever been performed on chest straps usage and longevity. Because one user experience will never tell as much as decent statistics.

      For instance I’ve had a TICKR X since early 2016 and… well infact I’ve used quite a bunch of them. The firsts ones where each eating batteries like chewing-gums. Close to a “1 / week” ratio, even some to a “1 / activity” ratio. So I somewhat quickly asked for exchanges. The last one lasted close to two years. So this one was pretty much truly going great, it even was still using its original battery. Great running time really. But it just died recenlty, close to the day of the updated TICKR range announcement. Meh. Now that I’m well past warranty period I don’t know how wahoo customer service will act, I’m currently discussing with them.

      In full retrospect I don’t know what to think. For the first exchanges (during warranty period), wahoo customer service was truly great and reactive, real kudos to them. But on the other side, I only did get to discuss with their support because their product was never really performing adequetaly in the first place.

    • Andrew M

      I guess having the LED’s at the top is another cue as to which way the pod goes in.

  70. Rob C

    Hey Ray,
    Can I make a suggestion? I’d like to support the site by buying through your links when possible but I don’t always decide to buy when I first read the reviews. I usually come back afterwards and it would be useful for myself and similar readers to have a link to buy the product at the top of the page as well as the bottom. There may be an SEO reason that you don’t do this? Or maybe you haven’t been asked before. Anyway keep up the good work.
    Thanks
    Rob

    • GLT

      Ray has a nifty “JUMP TO” sidebar that hovers on the side of page. In addition to being able to warp to the Discussion section, there is a “BUY NOW” footer that is dynamically populated.

  71. Michael K

    Hi Ray, thanks for the reviews as always, I’ve recently gotten back into cycling and the videos and writeups have helped guide me on my ‘required’ upgrades.

    Would like to show some support by using the wiggle links (both tickr and tickrX) but they are broken. Can you have a look?

    Ps. sweet Roots tshirt!

  72. Ivan

    The main issue I have with the tickr strap is that without the pod it won’t stay in place, as the pod is used to close it. This puts some additional tension on the pins that secure the pod. Sometimes during a workout, the pod will pop out of the pins and the strap will fall. This usually doesn’t happen while running or cycling, but during other high intensity sports, or for example in my case cross country skiing (or other sports where you move the arms a lot). Everyone in my cross country skiing team has the same problem.

    Most other straps don’t have this issue, so for now I use a cheap strap that stays in place without the pod, and use the tickr pod on top of it. Would this also work with the new one, despite the different shape?

  73. Edgar

    Are the R-R intervals accurate over ANT+? It wasn’t the case for the previous version, they were accurate only over bluetooth, which is an issue for a lot of the training metrics from firstbeat on Garmin watches.

  74. Stefan

    Great review!

    I am trying to figure out if I can make use of the Running Dynamics with my Forerunner 230. I know the device doesn’t support it according to your table and Garmin, but will the metrics still be available in Garmin Connect when I track my runs using my FR and the Tickr X?

  75. Smithy

    Afternoon D.C,

    With these new product coming out, do you think they have a new Turbo coming out? I don’t really want to spend £1000 on the KickR if in September there’s a new one due out. I’m not sure if Wahoo’s production and development has been hit by the world epidemic. Id be happy if the 2019 model lasted me a year.

    Any steer?

  76. Lionel G.

    Hi Ray,
    An idea where to order it from France ?
    I’ve searched on the web and found it nowhere (As I know Clevertraining don’t send to Europe ?) ?
    Thanks,
    Lionel

  77. Donald Hall

    My TICKR occasionally drops out when on Zwift using Bluetooth. Since the TICKRX has built-in memory, if the bluetooth drops out for a minute, when it reconnects to Zwift, is the TICKRX able to fill in the gaps of missing data? As a non-runner, this would be the only real benefit for me, but I would pay the additional cost if it were able to add the missing HR data back in.

  78. Mike

    Can the X be used to record cadence for outdoor rides and mtb?

    Would it connect to a Lezyne computer or something similar?

  79. Peter

    What HR strap is the best with Suunto Baro 9 in your opinion?

  80. For me, the biggest problem with chest heart-rate straps, while road cycling, is that the wind creates static electricity giving errerouns readings (usually high). This is a known problem according to the ANT+ folks (Garmin) and some of their newer straps supposedly have remedied this, but not with me. It happens more often at higher speeds or while descending. I have tried straps from Garmin and Sigma both, neither of which corrected the problem. Do the newer Wahoo units address this issue?

  81. Jerry Lay

    Sorry I’m new to this. Is it ok to swim in the KickrX? I am going to do some open water swimming once lockdown is relaxed enough.

    • Personally, I find it pretty challenging to swim with a KICKR. The weight of it is a bit of a drag, plus it’s not super hydrodynamic. Also, is that with or without the bike attached?

      As for the TICKR though, it’s waterproof (IPX7), which technically means 1 meter for 30 mins. Though, at lesser depths (such as where your chest would be), it’s substantially less force. Wahoo doesn’t say you can’t, and I’ve never heard of anyone having a problem with any past TICKR and swimming: link to support.wahoofitness.com

    • fneuf

      Underrated comment of the day

    • Sam

      When’s the new SWIMMR coming?

  82. Victoria

    Thanks to Covid I am now exercising at home using a borrowed spin bike. I have the Garmin Vivoactive HR and I linked the HRM to the watch but it won’t give me the cadence. It’s remains blank in that field. So my question is, is that because my Garmin is older. Thank you!

  83. Peter

    What is the best HR chest strap for Suunto Baro 9? The wrist reader is not great. Thanks!

  84. Mike

    Hi,

    Thanks for the review on the Wahoo HRMs. I recently purchased the Tickr X as I needed a new HRM and had been looking for a foot pod so I could capture pace/distance on a treadmill. Reading thru your review, my Tickr X doesn’t seem to behave the same way and I have a couple of questions. It may be that I’ve not set it up correctly.

    I have a Garmin Fenix 5X that I am connecting to as well as the Wahoo App on my Android tablet. The 5x thru Ant+ and the Wahoo App thru BT.

    1. HRV – looks like it is not avaialable on the Wahoo App or Garmin Connect? (Mostly just curious)
    2. I don’t see respiration coming up; is that a limitation of the 5X?
    3. Pace/distance/cadence: I get pace/distance/cadence showing up on the Wahoo app; but only cadence displays on the 5x. This stays true for when the file uploads to Connect, no distance or pace. So far after calibrating per the instructions, distance is pretty true to what the treadmill reads. Cadence tends to go away when the pace increases for some reason; it seems good up to 5.5 mph.
    4. Running dynamics: The RD pages show on the 5X during the activity but only stride length appears real time. Not sure if that is what is supposed to happen. I’m not sure what I would do with this info yet, but kind of cool to have I guess. Connect shows the RD data in the app when it uploads.
    4. I tried connecting with just Ant+ and didn’t get distance/pace then either.

    I got the Tickr X mainly to get pace/distance on the treadmill to record to the 5X. I can get it over to Connect by transferring a file but then I’vet to copy and then upload to Connect and then delete the duplicate workout (unless I make sure not to upload to Connect). Maybe there is a better way or I’m missing something in the setup.

    Great website/blog by the way. Have been reading it on and off for several years.

  85. Simon

    Thank you for your reviews!
    Since I am looking into device free data collection I am very interested to use the TickrX along with my Stryd.
    As far as I can remember the old TickrX (while using the offline data collection) used to store data in 10sec intervals. Is this still the case for the new TickrX?
    If paired to a watch, can you still download the data from the TickrX (as you can with the Stryd)?
    Do you need to activate data collection via the app or how does it work?

  86. Sam

    Do ppl use the Tickr with HRV app like EliteHRV and how do you find the accuracy?

  87. Kris

    I would rate this a ONE out of 10 .. The only reason it gets a one is multiple BT (when it works) It worked for 2 days, now the readings are all over the place! I’ve washed the strap, tried using electrode gel it just flakes. I have a cheap generic one I paid $12 for on ebay that works better. All of my garmin HR’s work better, and my Scosche is by far the best. Going to try and return to clever training for another scosche.

  88. Stuart Miles

    Hi DCR, I’ve been having massive issues with reliability of two Tickrs while running recently – overreads and underreads regularly probably more so indoors on treadmill. One distinctive trait I’ve noticed is the hr graphs are very blocky i.e. sticks at one HR for a while then suddenly increases massively (say from 134 to 165) and back again. I always wet the strap before and rinse well after. Is this likely another form of intereference? I use with a Fenix 6 btw. Thinking of swapping to Polar H10 but before i do any thoughts?

  89. Martin

    I used the Ground Contact Time Balance feature – after knee injury and surgery when starter running to see the balance and „mesure”/watch the balance if there is not any “one leg run” compensation. This way find it very useful and (because it seems to be easy) would be nice to have in tickr!

  90. Paul B

    Thanks Ray, a very timely review as my HRM RUN keeps dropping out (possibly water ingress and I was about to order a new one but as you rightly say, I’ve never used GCT so giving that up )possibly to be added in future) seems a small price to pay for the added connectivity,

  91. Patrick

    Has anyone been able to find a 2020 TICKR in Australia yet (that’s been delivered)? Wahoo website has been showing ‘coming soon’ for ages and while some shops seem to allow pre-orders, it doesn’t look like they’re available yet.

    • Patrick

      Replying to myself, a month later it’s still showing out of stock everywhere – including on Wahoo Australia’s website.

  92. Kris

    Sadly one of the BIGGEST POS i’ve ever purchased. (TICKR) Even after the firmware update. On the iphone the HR is wild, with garmin 245 it won’t move sticks at certain spot. Contacted vendor where I purchased an got NO response, so needless to say I won’t be using them EVER again.

    • Morten

      I have the old Tickr X and have an issue with run metrics not being communicated to my fenix 6x. On treadmill runs, the Garmin Fenix 6X is quite off on speed/distance, espcecially for interval runs, and was thinking to see if the Tickr X would do a better job. However, need to use ANT+ since I want my heart rate also to be communicated to the Treadmill using bluetooth.

      Is this at all possible? I can make it work to my watch using bluetooth, however, then the Treadmill does not receive HR data from Tickr X.

      Thanks

  93. Morten

    I have the old Tickr X and have an issue with run metrics not being communicated to my fenix 6x. On treadmill runs, the Garmin Fenix 6X is quite off on speed/distance, espcecially for interval runs, and was thinking to see if the Tickr X would do a better job. However, need to use ANT+ since I want my heart rate also to be communicated to the Treadmill using bluetooth.

    Is this at all possible? I can make it work to my watch using bluetooth, however, then the Treadmill does not receive HR data from Tickr X.

    Thanks

  94. Atis

    If we skip all the features, specs, bells and whistles – which is most reliable and precise HRM for today? Which has less spikes or lock issues? I have like 10year old Garmin HRM and there is spike issue and HRM lock issue. Which of these potentially is most precise in plain HR (random order):
    Polar H10 (announced 2017)
    Garmin RUN (the red one, not old black)(announced 201?)
    Wahoo Tickr (X) (announced 2020)

    The newer the tech the better it should be, in theory. However, Polar H9 has been announced in 2020, but still 3 year old H10 claims to be “it’s best ever”.

  95. I have a Suunto Ambit3 Peak so I don’t think the advanced metrics of the Tickr X will work with the watch. But I sync to Strava, will I be able to see that advanced data there?

  96. rdl03

    I have what I guess is the 2018 Tickr (came with my Wahoo Kickr). After about a year, the plastic end of the strap is starting to come apart. I also seem to have to remove and reinsert the battery every other time I use it. Wahoo graciously sent a replacement, even though it was out of warranty, but I’m have the same battery issue with it.
    Generally pleased with the several Wahoo products I own, but this one is falling off that list.
    Ready to switch to a different HRM

    • Jeff

      I am really dissapointed with Wahoos quality. I went through 4 kickrs before I got one that worked and now I am onto my 3rd HR rate strap. The plastic bits (connectors) eventually just break, and even after taking a lot of care I’ve had the steal button come off. Why couldn’t they do something similar to Polar..

      Wahoo are generally very good with replacements, though it is getting beyond annoying.

  97. jk

    As someone having the “old” gen1 TickrX, as the personal winner for best battery life and least signal disconnect issues (Polar H1 had 3-5x shorter battery life {and yes, I have been careful not to leave it after the training in a state, where ic could have any conductive path between the electrodes, so no idea why it was “eating batteries like candy”}),
    I needed an HR strap, which would be able to connect to multiple ANT+ devices (one for my ANT+ receiver on my laptop for BKool training sessions + one for my Garmin headunit, so that the numbers are “in front of my face”, rather than 2.5 meters away on the laptop screen, which tends to be blurry at that distance for small enough text for someone with prescription glasses, without wearing them during the indoor training session for comfort reasons).

    I bought the gen2 Wahoo Tickr (since I did not need the extra metrics of the TickrX, and the Tickr promised as well better battery life)
    .. just to find out, that those “several minutes as a time of “flat non-0 HR signal” periods are happening rather often (like every 2-3 days, as opposed to at most once a month with my gen1 TickrX).
    And yes, I learned years ago, that I need to moisture the electrodes on HR straps years ago – so I am doing that before every training session.

    So I am wondering – does anyone else have a similar experience? (of the gen2 Tickr models being much worse on this subject, than the gen1’s ?)

    Some examples (the tickr gen2 was bought on Jun 16th – it is less than a month old at this point)
    1) 5-Jul: flat signal for 1 Minute from around Minute 18: link to strava.com
    2) 7-Jul: multiple “flat signal” dropouts in the first 11 Minutes (despite or repeated effort from my side to “wake it back up” in those 11 Minutes): link to strava.com
    3) 9-Jul: multiple “flat signal” dropouts in the first 6 Minutes: link to strava.com
    4) 12-Jul: “nonsense signal” in the first minute: link to strava.com

    I am sending this specific unit back to the seller today, though I’d be interested to know, if this is a “feature” of the entire series, or a “monday unit” – to understand, if I should re-order it again, or try some other HR strap allowing at least 2 concurrent ANT+ connections.

    PS: the unit is as well suspiciously quickly losing color on the front blue “wahoo” label – for the fact, that I had it on an outside ride twice, and all other rides were indoors, without a jersey, which could rub on it.

    • Eric Sjögren

      I’m having similar but way worse issues with two Tickr units at home. It worked fine for the first month or so even throughout a 19h sweat-free sort of Everesting-ride. But on June 26th it started to work poorly and has been useless since then (though on some rides it has been working much better than others. Especially low intensity-rides)

      Have done plenty of 4×4-intervals since then:
      link to strava.com
      link to strava.com
      or yesterday with the strap so tight around my chest I couldn’t stand up straight
      link to strava.com

    • James

      I have experienced a similar trend of poor performance from my new Tickr. For context; I’ve owned all versions of the Tickr, from the X to the Run, and have experienced problems with all of them. At one point or another, they just flake out and either give erroneous HR readings, go “flat-line” at some random HR and stay there, or just stop working altogether.

      Wahoo have warrantied two of the older TickrX when they just stopped working and I perpetually had problems trying to use them indoors on a treadmill (despite their statement and calibrations). Then they warrantied a Tickr Run when it flaked out after 18 hours of DirtyKanza in 2016.

      I tried to tell myself that the Wahoo was still an improvement over the Garmin variants but am now seriously questioning my decisions.

      I purchased a new generation Tickr back in June, soon after they were announced and, from reading the reviews, naively thought they had gotten their act together and worked out all the bugs.

      I should have known better when I opened the App to pair the new Tickr and it immediately forced me into an update that lasted for 10 minutes while my phone (iPhone 11 Pro) tried to establish and maintain communication with the pod. Once updated; it would intermittently lose connection to the App while attempting an indoor TRX workout.

      Fast forward to two weeks ago and I had an experience where it spiked to 218bpm within the first few minutes of a recovery ride, then “flat-lined” again at 125-128bpm for the duration of the ride. I contacted Wahoo customer support soon after and they went through the typical spiel of updating the firmware, wetting the strap, resetting the unit by installing the battery backward… all things which I had already tried and ruled out, as if this was my first rodeo dealing with flaky Wahoo HRMs.

      So, to prove my point, I repeated the exact same route one week later with a different HRN strap, took screenshots of the ride and sent it to them. They could see the HR disparity between the two rides and agreed to replace the Tickr with a new one.

      The new one arrived on Tuesday and, as soon as I paired it with the app; it attempted to update the firmware. I say attempted because, 40 minutes later; it still said “Installing”. I finally gave up, took all those screen shots and sent them to Wahoo for evidence of my frustrations.

      They are now offering to refund my money in full and take both HRMs back… I remain undecided.

  98. Steve Short

    Ray, you said that you were calling this the ‘2020 edition’ but if you look at the battery cover you’ll see that it says ‘TICKR V2’ so it seems that this is the official name even if Wahoo isn’t advertising it as such.

    • Yeah, the problem is that naming isn’t anywhere either when people go to buy it. It’s the same silly logic Apple uses on iPad’s that’s super unfriendly.

      I might add V2 at some point to the titles/database.

  99. Tony Knight

    Does anyone know if these (or any other) chest HRM bands can be used for sleep analysis, perhaps with an appropriate app? I’m about to buy one principally for walking and cycling. I have no interest in buying a watch or other device at this time.

    Also, for the moment I’m planning on using an old iPhone 5s instead of a dedicated bike computer, so will consider acquiring speed and cadence sensors when I’m functioning at a decent level. As such am I correct in thinking that I won’t need storage on the HRM (unless for some reason it would be needed for a hypothetical sleep analysis function)? Sorry about the noob-type question but I really am!
    Thanks in advance!

  100. Cisco

    Great review on the Wahoo X. exactly what i was searching for.

  101. Jim

    Why isn’t the Tickr X available to buy anywhere? Did they have a recall and pull all of them?

  102. Kevin

    Great review and analysis!
    Thinking of buying the Wahoo Elemnt Bolt and Wahoo Tickr X for cycling. And Garmin Forerunner 945 for running while using the Tickr X as a HR monitor. Thoughts?

    • ronald long

      I moved to the Elemnt from the Garmin 810 a couple years ago. Zero regrets.
      I’ve had a disappointing experience in terms with the Tickr (specifically, I seem to have to reinsert the battery frequently to get it to work). Don’t know how different the Tickr and TickrX are.
      Switched back to Garmin for HRM (Dual HRM). So far so good.

    • Kevin

      Thanks Ronald!

    • Tony Knight

      I’m curious why you seem to favour the Tickr X given that you’ll be using a computer and FR945. What do you see as the justifiable (in terms of price anyway) for the X? I’ve just ordered a standard Tickr which is why I’m curious 🙂

    • Kevin

      Good question Tony, just for the HR measurement for both running and cycling. However I understand your point. Is the HR monitor for FR945 enough?

    • Tony Knight

      Well, Kevin, I won’t be able to tell right away as my ordinary Tickr is on its way (at half the price of the X). I, too, was looking at the watches but finally decided that at the end of the day, the Tickr will be far more accurate and given that I have medical issues that prohibit running but allow cycling, I’d be better served just using the chest band plus initially my old iPhone 5s, and perhaps later as I regain some muscle mass and strength, a bike computer. Hopefully I won’t regret saving that 40 euros by buying the simpler chest band! Good luck with your own search!

    • Kevin

      Ahh ok I understand, let me know what you think of the Tickr when you have tested it!

  103. Per Svedberg Lindén

    Hi
    I’m doping JuJutsu and running. When training JuJutsu I can’t were my Garmin Fenix 6. Can I use Whahoo Tickr X and easy get pulse data to my JuJutsu training session.

  104. lou dregely

    Thank you for your detail review. I have the TICKR X and can pair it in ZWIFT. ZWIFT shows the triple connection but when I start my run my avatar does not move. Do you have any ideas? Thank you kindly. Lou

  105. Henry

    Just for info:
    After some month with the tickr V2 wahoo sends me a new device.
    Battery life was realy poor. After round about 60hours I got the low bat info. 10 hours later the device was dead.
    All hints from wahoo support with resetting the tickr did have no effect.
    But it’s great from the support to send me a new one (and I can scratch the worse one without sending it back).
    Hope that more than 100hours will be possible now!

  106. K_P

    I too have suffered this ‘flatlining’ of the TickrX and am now on my 3rd one. The previous 2 have both failed after about 1 month of running/cycling.
    What is weird, after about 18 minutes it will just hold the HR for a while, then kick back in. Sometimes it will do it again later on in the run as well.
    Also, I find that when I first start running, there will be a massive spike up to the 160s when I am barely moving. After a bit of messing around, sometimes having to ‘forget’ the sensor and re-syncing it, it might work but isn’t guaranteed.
    Have you contacted them over this, there is obviously a fundamental floor with either the hardware or firmware that needs to be resolved. If this 3rd unit fails in the same way, I will be returning to Garming and getting the HRM-TRI and I will deal with the lack of connectivity that the Tickrx gives. The main thing for me is having confidence in a product, I do not have that with the TickrX yet.
    I wonder if Mr D C Rainmaker has had any issues or if he continues to use it?

    • jk

      I have returned my Tickr gen2 to the seller, and they accepted it as a flaw, and returned me the full cost – by the lack of counter-argumentation from their side, I expect, that I was not the only one of their customers, who had this problem. I have not re-purchased a gen2 yet – I am waiting for Wahoo to sort this out.
      Until then, my TickrX gen1 works without any issues (well, with just the “issue”, that it cannot talk reliably to multiple ANT+ receivers, but for gen1 they never stated, that it would be, so I am fine with that – I am simply using my Fenix5’s wrist HR sensor as a second source of HR signal – albeit less reliable, than an HR belt).

    • K_P

      When I spoke with Wahoo this week they certainly didn’t give me the impression that they thought it was an issue with them initially, almost felt that I was the only one reporting this issue.

      I was told it could be a ‘connectivity’ issue with the chest, which after informing them that I took all the necessary steps and had used HRM for years from Garmin without these issues and sent them some .FIT files they conceded that the two units that I’ve already had were faulty and I’ve just been unlucky.

      Maybe I have been unlucky, but after spending a little time today searching it seems to have come up for a few users, although it has to be noted that not every user is experiencing the same.

      Will see what this third unit does. The last two worked fine for a few weeks and then weirdness. When trying to train to HR it freaking annoys me, I then have to explain to the coach that I hadn’t been running hard it was the monitor again.

    • “I wonder if Mr D C Rainmaker has had any issues or if he continues to use it?”

      Still often use the TICKR X – in fact, just yesterday, and two days prior, and…well…pretty much every week 1-3 times a week. No flat-lining for me.

      I also bought another one to have at home, just arrived yesterday actually. Will see if there’s any difference between the two.

    • TonyKnight

      My Tickr has been working more or less fine except for a couple of days when it absolutely wouldn’t be found by my phone app. However, your post interested me, as I use the Tickr almost every day for walking (wish I could run or ride but right now that’s not possible medically) and most days the heart rate spikes to the 160s within the first couple of seconds after syncing with the phone. After that it does seem to work alright though.

      Is this what’s happening with yours or is there something else going on after those first few seconds?

    • K_P

      TonyKnight …
      ” most days the heart rate spikes to the 160s within the first couple of seconds after syncing with the phone. After that it does seem to work alright though ” –

      that is one of the issues, the other issue is that it will hold a heart rate, kind of freeze for a period of time.

      The issue that you have – my similar experience is this: So I will start running, low heart rate for about 20 seconds then boom, up to 160s. A couple of minutes messing about, forgetting the sensor and reconnecting, licking pads, and grumbling it reads again. Although saying that, this morning I had to ‘forget’ the monitor for 5 minutes and then reconnect.

      Mr D C Rainmaker, I will be most interested in how you get on with the new one on its way. I found with the two I have had so far that after a couple of weeks I start experiencing issues. The spike at the beginning of exercise only really shows itself when running (thought it was mirroring my cadence to start with) and the flatlining, well that happens on both bike and run. Weirdly I think, and I will need to double-check, but I think it happened at 128 bpm on both monitors. I have attached an image from Strava (no personal details just a graph) which shows the flatline.

    • TonyKnight

      Thanks K_P very clear answer. So for the moment, it looks like mine is only screwing up right at the beginning, but I will look at my metrics more closely to be sure nothing else is going on.

      I do hope you get yours sorted, as like you, I wanted the accuracy of a strap, but ultimately, a good watch would probably have been far more flexible.

      Good luck.

    • K_P

      I would say, and I think Ray would be the better person to give you an answer on this, but the straps give you a much better reading than the optical on the watch (when the straps work!). If your budget only stretched to the strap, the phone will work fine in my opinion. I use the Wahoo app along with my Garmin watch sometimes, just for the woman to shout out the metrics at me 😀

      Do have a look at the accuracy, I would be fascinated to hear if you have any flatlines at all. I think if you are training to pace and using heart rate just as something of interest, then it is probably not a massive issue, for me though I really need accuracy.

    • Morten

      My TICKR X has also started to cause problems the first few minutes of a run. Sometimes iHR is fixed at low bpm, sometimes 160 bpm. I have new battery and are also using a lot of water on the strap and contacts.

      Planning to test Garmin Dual instead.

    • K_P

      Seems like a bit of a theme developing here.

      I have used Garmin straps in the past, always been great, wanted to try Wahoo – not sure why just fancied a change – I am not 100% sure I made the right decision. I will work with Wahoo until this is sorted or get a refund and buy a Garmin strap instead but would prefer that Wahoo fixes these issues. The way I view this, without user feedback then companies will not be aware of issues and not be able to address them. So, with that in mind, have you provided Wahoo with your findings and your feedback?

    • Morten

      No, I have not. But totally agree that user feedback is important. Had similar problems with my old Suunto HR strap as well. So my impression is that HR straps does not last long before they start to fail.

    • jk

      “have you provided Wahoo with your findings and your feedback?” – I haven’t, since I’ve returned it to the online bike shop less than a month after I bought my misbehaving Tickr gen2 – I felt, if I would try to get this sorted with Wahoo, it would get me above the 30 days guaranteed online purchase return period, which we have here in Germany. But if you do have a service ticket with Wahoo, feel free to give them the strava links I have posted above in reply #206, along with those from Eric Sjögren from reply #207 – I think they paint a clear story. I have been using HR belts for years now, thus I know how to handle them properly, just like everyone else in this thread with these problems (keep the pads wet for good contact, etc) – and, as said, the Wahoo TickrX gen1, which I still have, and was using for around 2 yrs, works just fine for me, in the same circumstances, in the same environment, with the same receivers and same amount of “electro-smog” from the fan and laptop – no such “flat-lining” there. Thus it is clear, that something was wrong with the Tickr gen2. It may be a randomly occurring issue, with some “rare-condition-entered code branch” in the FW, or simply a QA issue of the manufacturing – but it definitely is not a “we have never seen this being reported before” thing.

    • K_P

      JK, if I too had purchased from a store I would have done exactly the same as you, without a doubt. I purchased mine directly from Wahoo, just to ensure that if I did have an issue it would be easier communication-wise. I do agree with you on either an FW issue or a manufacturing fault both of which are only ‘hit’ on certain circumstances, hoping more FW so they can release an update,

      I do indeed still have an open ticket with them on this, I will certainly mention your and Eric’s findings to them and point them towards here – I know they will be aware of DC but perhaps they haven’t read the comments ? or whether they would even be interested :S This issue is certainly, as you have stated, something that they are aware off as it seems to have been present for a while.

      Sorry for this bit Ray : In the nicest possible way, I hope Ray experiences the same issues in the hopes that they may pay more attention to someone who has a sizable following like Ray rather than just a user.

    • K_P

      See the Garmin HRM-PRO has been released! Looking at the5krunner site

    • K_P

      Although on reading what they have put, it hasn’t actually been properly released at all, just their suspicions perhaps. They state a “source” which provided the information, but that could just be a google as far as I know, although I haven’t seen a green HRM from Garmin before 🤷‍♂️

    • TonyKnight

      Sorry for the delayed response. My Tickr is indeed occasionally measuring ridiculous spikes right at the beginning of the use graph. Sometimes this doesn’t even show up in the measure of the average and high heart rate recorded during the exercise. Sometimes it does though. Very bizarre.

      I’ve looked at the older graphs and haven’t seen any other issues such as flatlining, but there again, I’ve only used it for four weeks. Based on the multiple issues discussed here I am considering asking Amazon.co.uk for the right to return the strap to its British vendor (who sent it to me here in France where they were and still are practically impossible to find in stock anywhere). It’s either that or just hope that no further faults develop.

    • K_P

      Tony,

      I purchased directly through Wahoo themselves, can you do that from France? If indeed you did want to stick with it and return the current one.
      You would think those spikes would be grounds for return. Have you tried a new battery in it, just to cross that off?
      I have a new one arriving today, I expect it to work fine for a number of weeks and then go wonky, but I am hoping that not to be the case.
      As you saw from Rainmaker himself, he has a new one so it will be of interest to see how his gets on.

    • TonyKnight

      I love that word “wonky” – haven’t heard that for a long time lol. Yes, I did change the battery and that had no effect. I could as you say try a return (still thinking about that) and then re-buy direct, but it seems that these new models are perhaps not quite ready for real utilisation. It will indeed by interesting to see how Rainmaker finds his new band.

      I certainly hope that your newest version will be absolutely not wonky at all, otherwise I can see most of us turning to Garmin. Best of luck!

    • K_P

      So got the new HRM yesterday and took it for a spin. As expected, if you see the graph, it worked without the crazy spikes and no real flat lines. This has been the same for the previous ones as well, started off working fine, and then for some reason, crazy stuff starts happening.

      I will keep the forum updated as we go, if there is wonky activity then I shall of course report it.

    • K_ P

      And so the saga continues with the new one.

  107. Todd M

    My Wahoo Tickr2 has been wonky at best. I’m returning it to Wahoo. Maybe I’ll give the new Garmin HRM a try when it comes out.

    • K_P

      Todd, I have now been told that they are aware of the issues that have been reported and apparently looking into it. That was the info I got yesterday evening.
      I am willing to go through the replacement process with wahoo, but a change Garmin HRM-Tri would be tempting indeed.
      What issues have you been having and have you reported them to customer service.

  108. Alan

    I have also started seeing the “flatlining” issue over the last couple of weeks. For example, in this morning’s TrainerRoad over-under workout, it was fine during warmup but during the first over-under interval it started sampling at a lower rate, and had a drop about halfway through. Then it was fine for the next interval, only to have a big spike during the cool down. Attached is a screen shot from the first couple of intervals, overlayed with power.

    I haven’t done anything differently than before. I also had to replace the battery after only a couple of months because it was pretty low. I think there is an issue with these initial units.

    • K_P

      That looks similar, time to get on to Wahoo and let them know. If you have the Fit file to send them then even better. The Fit file should be able to be retrieved from the Wahoo app. If you need advice on how to get it let me know.

    • Alan

      Thanks, I should have mentioned that I submitted a ticket this morning and sent them links to my Garmin recordings from a few recent workouts.

    • K_P

      Wicked, I would be interested to hear how you get on.

      Ray has his second TickrX now as well so it will be interesting to see if he has any issues as he reported his first to be fine.

    • Alan

      I sent back my old strap and they are sending me a new one. Hopefully there has been a hardware change and this one will continue to work fine. I will post here again if I have problems with the replacement TICKR 1.

    • K_P

      Alan,

      I would hold your breath, just had my third which arrived a little while ago, a couple of weeks, and today flat lines.
      It sucks, never have I had these problems before. Really don’t want to go back to garmin but feel I have little choice.

    • Alan

      That should say TICK 2. @dcrainmaker, why can’t I edit?

  109. Rob J

    Hi Ray, The Tickr X affiliate URL for Wiggle is incorrect. Navigating to the correct product loses your affiliate data. I manually updated the URL when placing my order so you should get some credit for my order. Thanks for your helpful detailed review. It was being able to connect to Zwift that was the deciding factor for me.

  110. Murray Longe

    Ray, I’m trying to run my Zwift workouts through my AppleTV and record HR, cycling cadence, and control my trainer. I have the Tickr X 2020 and I know it can recognise cycling cadence and should do the job. But, my Tickr X doesn’t pick up my Wahoo Cadence sensor 1AC6. I can ‘see’ the cadence sensor separately on my Wahoo app, but the cadence signal doesn’t get picked up through my Tickr X.
    Am I just doing something wrong here, or is there a tech issue that you know of?

  111. Denislav

    Hi All,

    I just got a TICKR X, however I am having a lot of issues with the iOS app.

    1) For starters, I cannot change any of the profile details like weight, resting heart rate, heart rate zones etc. When I delete or change them, go to another tab and then back to profile, the previous values show up again.
    2) I started a 5 min workout in which I had an average heart rate of 85 bpm while sitting. The app calculated 240 calories burnt per hour, translating to 5760 calories over 24 hours, which is clearly inaccurate.
    3) Worst of all, the Device Free Workouts don’t sync, regardless if they are less or more than 5 min. When I go in the Device Fee section in the tracker settings, they show up as Saved, I can click on them to download them again, which they supposedly do, but when I go to history nothing shows up.

    I’ve tried removing the battery, deleting the app, restarting the phone but none of those helped. With those issues, the product is completely unusable, especially as I don’t carry my phone around while working out. Has anyone faced similar issues?

    Thanks,
    Denis

    • RobJ

      Denis
      1. I had problems setting up the profile on the app. I eventually got it set up by switching to Imperial. I think they never tested or understood Metric system. It tries to convert metric to metric thinking they were entered as imperial and then doesn’t save the data anyway.
      2. The strap is not very god. You can check resistance with a multi-meter. Was giving me rubbish readings sitting for EliteHRV app. I solved the problem using a third party strap where the conductivity of the strap was much better. Polar Pro that comes with the Polar H10 is meant the be the best.
      3. I can retrieve the device free workouts. You need to wake up the TickrX again then go to the history tab and wait for them to download.

      Hope that helps.
      Robert

      PS I’m thinking of sending my mine back and going for either the Polar H10 or one of the Garmin straps.

  112. Marco M

    Hi, any of you is using the Tickr or Tickr X 2020?
    I have both, one Tickr X already exchanged at Wahoo (went perfectly well).
    Problem js: they work perfect 99% but sometimes HR is going up to 180 (on a normal today at 5:00 min/km and HR between 125 and 130. Ended up at an avg HR of 138 (real wound have been 128), because vor Like 1o min total of an 50 min Run, I had these hi HR readings.

    Happens to 2 different Tickr X and 1 Tickr now. All 2020 version and all on newst firmware 🙁
    Already reseted by hotwiring the sensor. Did not help.

    Anyone have the same problems?

  113. Jim Lefkas

    Perfect review as always Ray!
    I want to ask about hrm straps and swimming.
    I am confused a bit trying to figure which strap to use.
    I own Suunto smart strp that kept using via the app (movescount) but the app does not support the stap stand alone any more.(Customer focused brand…).In my question a rep told me that is sorry for the inconvinience..
    So I decided to use my mio strap slightly adjusted with an extra strap to my neck!!! very close to my Garmin FR35 (in cup) while swimmnig…
    1.If you had to choose a strap for swimming without the use of watch witch would be that?
    2.If you had to select a strap swimming with the use of Garmin Vivoactive 4 witch would be that?

  114. Bernard

    What’s up with the TICKR X being out of stock most everywhere? This feels like hunting for Elite products halfway through lockdown all over again!

  115. Scott H

    I bought my first Tickr 3-4 years ago and it was great until it wasn’t. So I just bought the new Tickr and it started giving me sporadic data after a week so they replaced it. And then it started the same thong after two weeks. I have rebooted, made sure the contacts were moist and updated firmware. Still not accurate. – so, I have heard there is a “bad batch” out there. Have you heard of sick a thing? Seems like a Garmin replacement would be ideal after so much headache. Thoughts on this?

  116. Jesper Kristensen

    At the fitness center I work at we have over 20 brand new Tickr gen 2 HRM units ALL updated firmware from 1.4.0 to 1.5.0 and ALL flatlining and/or freezing for about 30 seconds. My initial suspicion is that the update interval is set low to improve battery life or simply a much worse or faulty sensor compared to the Tickr gen 1, which by the way works perfectly for us on about 30 plus units for several years now.

    • Jesper Kristensen

      I also noticed I can’t buy any Tickr gen 2 on, for example, Amazon (com, uk, de) anymore.

    • K_P

      Jesper,

      The issues you report have been experienced by quite a few, not everybody by any means, but enough to raise an eyebrow.
      I would recommend that you get the .FIT file from the Wahoo app and send that to support along with an explanation as to the issues.
      The guys there are really helpful and without your feed back they will be unaware of any issues, and with feedback we all get better products that work.
      Keep us updated as to how you get on.

  117. Murray Longe

    I got my issue with my Tickr X (2020) sorted out. @RobJ suggested I didn’t need a cadence data sensor, that it would pick up my cycling cadence from my body movement – tried that, it didn’t work.
    I contacted Wahoo support and after a couple of questions and messages they replaced my 2020 Tickr X with the previous model Tickr X, under warranty.
    When I set up the replacement Tickr X up on the iOS app it picked up the cadence sensor on my bike perfectly first time, and relayed both heartrate and cadence to the FulGaz app on my Apple TV.
    Worked perfectly then and has been operating perfectly since I got the replacement and set it up.
    Excellent service from Wahoo for me on this issue.

    • Jesper Kristensen

      The problem is, you shouldn’t have to use an old model to get it to work. Also the old models are hard to find, I assume they’re not producing it anymore?

  118. Jason Wasser

    Have you tried this with any of the Coros Watches?
    Is there redundancy between having both as the new watches seem to also have advanced running metrics.
    link to support.coros.com

    • I haven’t, but, I know that COROS doesn’t support the same ANT+ Running Dynamics standard that both Garmin and Wahoo do, thus, I can pretty much guesstimate it won’t work.

  119. Elizabeth

    These appear to not be available online anywhere expect their website. Was their production affected by COVID, or did they pull them for other reasons?