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Hands on with the newly announced Tacx iPad app, ANT+ changes, Bluetooth Smart trainers

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This morning I spent a bit of time going hands-on with the latest product from Tacx – their iPad training app.  In addition, I got details on their upcoming Bluetooth Smart trainers, and their plans to play better and more openly within the existing ANT+ ecosystem.

Let’s dive right into it!

iPad Features/Functionality

The app features three main modes: created workouts, videos (from outside), and a standard training mode.  All three modes control the resistance on the trainer, as well as display information about your ride on the iPad.

Before we get to more detail on the three modes, you’ll need to setup the iPad to talk to the trainer.  To do so you’ll need an ANT+ adapter for the iPad.  You can use the standard Wahoo Fitness ANT+ adapter, or you can use one that Tacx will sell (it’s the exact same as the Wahoo adapter, just branded Tacx).  In the event you have a newer iPad with the new Lightning port instead of the 30-pin port, you’ll need to pickup Apple’s adapter for it.  The Wahoo ANT+ Key works with the Lightning adapter (though, beware that Wahoo notes that they have seen some problems with non-official knockoff Lightning adapters that are typically cheaper).

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Once that’s done you’ll pair the Tacx app with your trainer.  The unit will support all existing Genius, Bushido, and Vortex trainers.  No special firmware updates to those trainers are needed, they’re good to go today.

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In addition you can also pair ANT+ heart rate straps as well.

You’ll switch between the different modes using the buttons along the bottom of the app.  In the case of below, I’m in the standard training mode (effectively like the ‘Catalyst’ mode on the desktop TTS software).  In this mode I can specify a set distance or time, along with a focus on wattage, slope or heart rate.

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Next we have the workout mode.  In this mode I can define workout targets (in the below case, wattage levels) and the trainer will automatically adjust resistance accordingly during the workout.  You can simply add segments and then using your finger you can increase or decrease the time/duration as well as the target wattage.

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Finally, there is the video mode.  In this mode you’ll download a video from an online Tacx service directly to the iPad.  The videos are from the fairly substantial library of videos that Tacx offers today for sale.  For example, you could ride Alpe d’Huez or other famous routes or races.

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While the video is playing the unit will adjust the the resistance automatically based on the terrain recorded along with the video.

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You can swipe left or right to change the view to the upcoming terrain graphs:

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Additionally, you can dig into your current training efforts via the same graph, as seen below.

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Finally, along the bottom in all training modes you’ll have your current stats displayed.  These include speed, wattage, cadence, and heart rate.  Additionally you’ll see video/workout status such as remaining time left, current time, and current grade.

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The only shortcoming I’m currently seeing is that they don’t have any ability to export out the workouts from the iPad today (to 3rd party services or files via e-mail). That’s planned for 2014.

Bluetooth Smart enabled Trainers:

In addition to the iPad app (which is compatible with existing trainers), Tacx has announced they will start shipping Bluetooth Smart (BT4.0) enabled trainers later this year.  In fact, the trainer used at Eurobike was Bluetooth Smart enabled (which is why you don’t see the ANT+ adapter on it in the photos above):

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They’ll initially start with the Bushido trainer (that’s the lower-priced one that has no wires), before moving onto other units.  The Bushido Bluetooth Smart package will not include the typical Tacx handlebar unit (shown below to left), but instead require you to have an iPad.  It will however include the iPad mount seen below.

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The price of the Bushido Bluetooth Smart trainer will be lower than the current Bushido ANT+ variants due to the removal of the handlebar controller.  The exact pricing wasn’t available yet, but the current pricing for the Bushido in the US puts it at about $840US.  Thus, it’ll be lower than that.

iPad Mount/Brace

In addition to launching the iPad app, they’ll also be retailing a new iPad mount they’ve designed.  The mount is designed for road bikes.

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You’ll notice the design accommodates both an iPad, as well as a water bottle.

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In playing with the mount, the thing is built like a tank (in a good way).  Quite frankly the most stable and secure iPad mount I think I’ve ever seen.  I’m reasonably certain you could launch missiles off this thing if you had too.

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Note the inclusion of a metal bracket on the bottom to ensure it doesn’t flip over.

Random other items of note:

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I’ve got two miscellaneous other items to note that will be big deals for those that have been asking for them for years.

First up is that Tacx will be adding the ability to have the existing trainers broadcast out Speed, Cadence and Power via standard open ANT+.  This means you’ll be able to simply use your Garmin or similar ANT+ unit to record the file.  Personally I’m excited about this because it makes my life a bunch easier when doing power meter comparison tests.  They plan to do this in the coming months.  It sounds sooner rather than later, and definitely before Christmas.  This will be rolled out in conjunction with an upcoming TTS (desktop) update.

Once that’s out, they’ll be adopting the ANT+ Trainer Resistance Control profile that the rest of the industry will be adopting.  This means that down the road (likely not in time for this winter), you’ll be able to mix and match software.  So if you want to use TrainerRoad for example to control the Tacx units, you’d be able to do that.  Same goes for the CycleOps software.

The very clear trend amongst all the trainer companies is moving to the standard Bluetooth Smart and ANT+ trainer control profiles, which means that likely by next spring you’ll be able to mix and match any trainer with any software app.

It should be noted however that the profile that Tacx is going out of the gate with on the Bluetooth Smart side is not the same profile that’s used today with the Wahoo KICKR, meaning that Wahoo KICKR apps unfortunately won’t be compatible with the Bushido.

Tacx App Availability & Pricing

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The best part of the Tacx app is probably the price: Free.

Yup, they’ll be publishing the app for free, and you’ll be able to use the standard workout and training features without any additional cost.

The component that will cost money is the individual videos, which are planned to be offered for ~$9US per video, with each video lasting about 30K (20 miles).  Once you’ve paid for the video you ‘own it’ from the standpoint of allowing you to play it over and over forever.  Though again, you don’t have to use the video functionality to use the app.

The iPad app should be available on the Apple store within the next 2-3 weeks.  The Android variant of the same app is scheduled for 2014, along with a slimmed down version for the iPhone, allowing those just looking to control/record the workout without a full experience.

Finally, the iPad mount (officially called the ‘brace’) will be available for 35€. It wasn’t immediately clear what the USD price would be, but within that ballpark (that’s roughly $40US).  Additionally, they will sell a branded version of the Wahoo ANT+ adapter, but the pricing version wasn’t on hand.

As always, thanks for reading!  If you’ve got any questions, feel free to drop them below and I’ll do my best to get them answered.

Welcome to Eurobike week! This week during Eurobike I’ll be tweeting from the exhibition show floor quite a bit, as well as posting frequently. Here’s a quick and handy link to all Eurobike-related posts.

207 Comments

  1. Seems very expensive in my mind for the videos. Can it use third party videos?

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    • Duane replied

      I had quite the opposite impression of the price. ErgVideos cost around $50 a piece and RealCourse videos seem like a ransom at $100.

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    • Martin replied

      Do you think the 4iiii viiiiva bridge ant+ heartbelt could make work a bushido ant+ trainer without the wahoo dongle ? So with that belt we can control the trainer via bluetooth ?

      A ant + power meter could use the the same strategy if they come to support power meter ?

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    • Rainmaker replied

      No, it would not. For two reasons. First is that the Tacx unit does private-ANT, not ANT+. Second is that the Viiiiva would have to undestand not only the private-ANT, but then have to translate that into BLE - which, the Tacx software doesn't yet support. That gets even more complicated because it's not clear if Tacx is following the same BLE standards as Wahoo and CycleOps, or if they're doing their own thing.

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    • Martin replied

      Thanks i'll probably go for the wahoo then

      Great site by the way!

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  2. Will it work with older trainers like the Fortius?

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    • OndesX replied

      I already asked this to the guys at TACX, and as expected they answered that this wouldn't be possible obviously, since the old wired HT didn't emit any ANT+ or more generally wireless signals !...

      The HT needs some mods in order to work this way. BUT, I thought to an adaptation... Since there are several ANT+ sensors for heart, speed/cadence AND power, if one adds all these sensors on the HT, we then have simultaneously the data on the PC AND on the iPad but through different sensors... One interesting result will be a direct comparison of the data, principally the power between both systems ! Of course, in this case, the HT remains controlled by the PC...

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  3. Iris

    I've got an old Tacx Flow, will it be possible to update that head unit to broadcast ant+?

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    • Anders replied

      And I've got an i-Magic, almost the same thing as Flow. Would like to know if my trainer is going to work with this app.

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  4. Thanks for the review, Ray! I'm MOST excited about the news that Tacx is adopting an open ANT+ standard! Will there be a firmware update for this for existing units? And any news when that will be available?

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    • Rainmaker replied

      The timelines aren't concrete, but it sounds like a couple months - but before Christmas. And yes, it will be available for existing units.

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    • Jenny Ashbrook replied

      Great news! I'll definitely be watching for that update!

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  5. Chris Souza

    Did they mention if you will be able to update the firmware on an existing Bushido trainer to be able to use the open Ant+ to talk with Trainer Road, or will it be only available on new units?

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  6. Tom

    Is the ipad mounting unit adjustable so that you can use an ipad mini instead?

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Yup. You can see the little screws in it to loosen it and make it much smaller.

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    • Marc replied

      Is the mount compatible with aero bars?

      Does the width appear narrow enough to fit in between a typical bar setup, and does the reach extend beyond 185-210mm? It appears a little short in the picture, which might put it right in the way of a bar reach. If it fits, this would be a perfect setup, and the end of a very long search! Would be perfect for the KICKR Segments app as well as TACX.

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  7. Steen

    Will the BTLE Trainer be BTLE only or also broadcast ANT+?

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  8. Alcatraz Rob

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the KICKR have ANT+ functionality? If so could you use this app with a KICKR via anANT+ key?
    Thanks for the great reviews.

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Sorta, but not exactly.

      See, the KICKR has ANT+ functionality, but it doesn't follow the official ANT+ Trainer Resistance Control spec. Primarily because such spec isn't finalized yet (meetings are happening now, culminating in more meetings in early October). Realistically it'll look pretty darn similar, since much of it is based off of what Wahoo (and others) have done.

      So Tacx will follow that spec, once it's released. And then Wahoo will come back around and update the KICKR's to follow the spec. Then the two should work together (and extending that, then in theory as Tacx updates the firmware on their existing trainers, you can use KICKR apps to control it). Thus birds will chirp and ponies will fart rainbows. :)

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  9. Markus

    Will the future Tacx with Bluetooth smart still come with ANT+ or BT 4.0 only?

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  10. KenZ

    I would be far more excited if it worked with rollers. I know, I know... but I find rollers sooooooo much more fun to train on. And don't get up in arms about not being able to stand up; there's always these rollers:

    link to s428353027.e-shop.info

    This will clearly be my next trainer, but it would be cool if they had the BTLE/Ant+ control built in.

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  11. Kevin K

    Ray,
    So if you were about to push the button for a KICKR are you now saying one should wait and maybe go for this? Or is the KICKR still where its at?

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Not at this point, no. KICKR is real today, with 3rd party apps. I think this will be cool down the line, but it's going to take a number of months for all the components to mature. Additionally, my time today was quite limited. I really want to see if the app leaves behind all the buginess of the desktop Tacx TTS suite - which will take time for me to determine.

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    • Kevin K replied

      Cheers for you swift response,
      I have time as we're just leaving the summer behind here in the UK so I have a few months yet..
      But in a straight battle between this new Tacx and the KICKR in the future which in your opinion will provide the better option (training/fun) or can you see a time when they are all interchangeable.
      Tacx being BTLE only and KICKR being ANT+ and BTLE
      Every day I read your blog and I read about the latest products that will hit and it just leaves me more confused in which direction I should go.
      I am tempted by the KICKR as I use Wahoo's RFLKT, HR and SC and think they are all great I only wish the apps would embrace BTLE a little faster as most still only support ANT+

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  12. sebo

    Hi ray, thx for this review. looking forward to get the app!
    i have already purchased some videos for my bushido on the original desktop tacx trainer application. Would I have to buy again those videos through the app or I can sorta reuse them in any ways for the ipad?

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  13. Cam

    Ray thanks for this post... Great to read the app will only be another 2-3 weeks and awesome that its free. Well free except that you have to fork out $100 for the wahoo ant+ adapter + whatever the cost is of the ipad bracket.

    Also great to hear they'll output power - i dont use tts so i'm hoping this will be possible via the trainer only (rather than having it connected to the pc first)?

    Enjoy the rest of eurobike!

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  14. Brian Jensen

    I have not aquired the PC software as I have been waiting for the iPad version to use instead. Do you know if it will be possible to update the firmware of the trainer using only the iPad app?

    Thanks for a great review!

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    • Brian Jensen replied

      Also do you know how it works if you mirror the video to a TV (using a appleTV). Will it utilize it as a second monitor, or just a plain copy of the iPad screen?

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    • Rainmaker replied

      No, it's not planned initially to allow iPad firmware updates. But, the PC software doesn't have to be licensed (you can use trial mode) to complete firmware updates.

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  15. Peter

    I have heard about this app for a year now but it is still not out, did they say anything about release date????

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    • Brian Jensen replied

      From the article: "The iPad app should be available on the Apple store within the next 2-3 weeks."

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  16. Plodders

    How will that stand play with a tt bike, any options for between bars or something like that?

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  17. John P

    I am also interested to see if this mount will work with aerobars

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Unfortunately not. I had one of the Tacx engineers run around this afternoon and try to install it on a bunch of tri/tt bikes with no success. That said, they're now looking to see if they can make a variant that will work there. Obviously, I have an interest in that as well.

      Though, personally I'd say nothing beats my DIY stand: link to dcrainmaker.com

      ;)

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  18. Keith S

    These trainer developments are very exciting. Only problem is living in Queensland it's just too darn hot to sit on a trainer. Lived in Glasgow and Wellington, trainer sessions there were perfect.

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  19. Simon

    Tacx. Stuff. Hardly. Ever. Works.

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  20. James

    I wonder whether I'll be able to use the existing Tacx training videos already purchased (for the PC) through the iPad app - a bit like Airplay mirroring - except this time going from the PC to the iPad ?

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    • Michael replied

      According to an email exchange with Tacx support, existing videos will NOT work with the App

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    • Phil replied

      The 1st rides for the App will mirror this years 2013 Downloads for the PC, these are the shorter rides that you can buy for a low cost direct from the Tacx webshop for the TTS PC software. So these will be converted first into the Apple format. Then we will follow this with some selections from the longer DVD/bluray rides such as the classics & the new downloads that are on the way like the Stelvio & Tourmalet.. It should be quite a nice collection by mid winter.

      21. T2055.13 Mont Faron Toulon - France
      22. T2055.14 Col d'Eze Nice - France
      23. T2055.15 TDF 2013 Stage 3 Les Calanche di Piana - Corsica
      24. T2055.16 Col de Vergio - Corsica
      25. T2055.17 Col de Bavella - Corsica
      26. T2055.18 Gotthard Pass - SUI
      27. T2055.19 Furka Pass - SUI
      28. T2055.20 Grimsel Pass - SUI
      29. T2055.21 Liège-Bastogne-Liège 2013 - Part 1

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  21. Eric

    Hey - curious if someone can help me decipher what the difference is between Tacx's i-Vortex and their standard Vortex and whether the Vortex is a trainer/Ergo-Trainer that will work witht his software. The Vortex seems to be available for substantially less than the i-Vortex and I'm considering a purchase....but don't want to get it if it's not comparible with the software reviewed here...

    Also, I'm an Apple user...will the above work with Mac products?

    thanks,
    eric

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  22. Gary

    Ray - Thanks for all the gret reviews. I noticed that Cycleops has changed their Virtual Reality Training software to an on-line open platform that utilitzes Ant+ and BLTE technology and hence will work with the Wahoo Kickr. Given that Tacx is also going to develop BLTE into their trainers which this particular ipad application will utilize for control, will this app work with the Kickr as well?

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Indeed, I love the direction that CycleOps is going there. And, Tacx will get there as well (as least, they've committed to). However, for the immediate future (this Northern Hemisphere winter training season), it won't support it (Tacx won't support it, CycleOps will).

      I'd bet by next fall we'll see everyone and everything interchangable (i.e. Tacx with KICKR software, KICKR with Tacx software, etc...). Companies are being forced to, primarily due to what Wahoo did with the KICKR. Now they'll compete on two fronts: Software, and hardware.

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  23. Ralph

    Are you sure the video will not be longer than 30k? Thats very short!

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    • Rainmaker replied

      I'm sure. Looking at the pricing of $9 per video, that's price-wise in line compared to their previous $50-$100 per video for much longer courses.

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    • Phil replied

      There is no max distance but rather a maximum size for the video file they can put on itunes, the rides are inside those limits. Most of the routes will take you over an hour to do, especially the long climbs like the Col de Bavella & Vergio on Corsica or the Stelvio & Tourmalet, these are big Cols!

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  24. Michael

    Is there news or updates regarding when app and Tacx movies will be available ?
    Have checked repeatedly but so far unable to find anything about dates etc.

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  25. JB

    At this moment is there another program for my ipad with wahoo sensor that wil work with my tacx bushido?

    Regards,

    JB

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    • cam mclean replied

      Also interested if there are any other apps for the bushido

      Ray is there any update on when the tacx app will be released - no one knows anything about it on the tacx forums and your 2-3 week estimate in the article feels optimistic...

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  26. glurple

    Is there any way to upgrade the older ANT+ Bushido units to BTLE?

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  27. Edwin Stevenson

    Will the garmin ANT+ dongle work with the Tacx ios software or do I really need the Wahoo / Tacx dongle?

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    • Rainmaker replied

      No, unfortunately when Garmin made those ANT+ adapters they only work with Garmin Fit app unfortunately. It's really a shame they went that route.

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  28. JB

    Tacx Software is now available in the app store!!!!!!

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  29. Brian Jensen

    How do you download additional videos, or are they not available yet?

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    • Phil replied

      The videos are not available yet, I think they are still fine tuning the player they had only finished just prior to the last bike shows. Once they start going online I think there will be a whole bunch & this will happen over a week or two as these 1st rides are already made for the PC. I will try to remember to come in here & say if its time to start looking more frequent on the itunes.

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  30. Paul Clark

    Couple of questions if you have a moment....

    1) Any news on the date for Ant+ update allowing power reading to be extracted from the Bushido to Garmin or other devices.
    2) Is trainerroad.com compatible with the Bushido and will that be able to pick up the power reading from it via Ant+ too?
    3) Any further news on ANT+ Trainer Resistance Control profile support for the Bushido?

    Thanks

    Paul.

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    • Phil replied

      1: Ive no news on this other then its been mentioned on the forum more frequent & I suspect its been pushed up the list of priority's.
      2 : No trainerroad would not work with the Bushido just yet, Im amazed that someone would want to ride Trainerroad on a Bushido when you can do a full on grade accurate HD simulation of the Ventoux, Alpe d'Huez or do the Tour of Flanders! Tacx software has really the original ergometer software called Catalyst. Just about all the programs you see now for Ant+ are a copy of this.
      3: Again sorry Im the wrong guy to ask, I know its on the Tacx agenda but I guess everyone is waiting really for dynastream to pull their finger out & release the API that will be the final standard. Once this is released there will be a whole sea of options for training inside!

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Regarding #3: Next week the ANT+ TWG (Technical Working Group) meets twice regarding the topic at the ANT+ Symposium. I'm optimistic we'll move closer to completeness then.

      That said, I suspect we'll see Tacx be the last company to convert over to it (they have committed to doing it, on more than one occasion to me). I think we'll see BKOOL probably be the fastest, with Wahoo and CycleOps right behind them there.

      Assuming ratification by the end of the calendar year (just being realistic), I'd guess we'll see first attempts at it mid-winter, and then by spring things being pretty well locked.

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  31. Paul Clark

    Thanks Phil. I do enjoy being able to use the HD video rides on the Bushido but I also want to be able to train smarter rather than just get from point a to point b. I know I can create custom workouts but I like the idea that trainerroad (or other sites) give whereby you can do specific workouts for a reason and within available time in life (wife recently had twins - time short!). I'm surprised Tacx don't do a kind of "coach" type system where you can ride to targets on a planned schedule to build up for your targets of races or sportives etc.

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    • Phil replied

      I think maybe because the main market for Tacx is Europe, cyclists there tend to have a different culture to training then in the US where coaching & following a plan is incredibly popular. With coaching there is no one size fits all way to gaining condition even if some software company's seem to think there is. I can also say to you that you do not need 100 different types of interval session & that those that prescribe these may not actually know what they are talking about. Its a little like the blind leading the blind...much better is to look for some proper coaching, program in the coaches recommended sessions & follow those. A lot of effort has gone into making training seem complicated when it really is incredibly simple if all you want to do is gain condition in a limited amount of time, with the mountain climb done at Lt being about the best use of time there is ;-)

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    • Gerrit replied

      Phil,

      although I partially agree with you on some of your points (about training for amateurs and the way some companies make it an overly complicated science) I am still uneasy with the message that you send in some of your posts.

      I assume you are an employee of Tacx? Well, then why do you tell people what they SHOULD want instead of simply listening to what they DO want? That is exactly the kind of arrogant marketing behavior that started the demise of other formerly successful companies.

      Maybe I am a little oversensitive but after a lot of negative experiences with Tacx products and (especially) Tacx software I feel that instead of lecturing on differences between US und european markets Tacx should concentrate on:

      a) developing software that is bugfree and works flawlessly on a majority of typical platforms

      b) meeting published release dates (instead of being 8 months late)

      c) If a) and b) can not be combined: Stop all new development, make the existing software just work and publish release dates for newly developed software only when after final testing you are absolutely sure you can meet that date.

      d) offering a more contemporary level of customer support.

      Don't get me wrong, it is much appreciated that you are here, listening, writing and keeping us up to date. Still, your reaction to some simple and sensible user inquiries (Q: Will your product work with Trainerroad? A: No, why should it?) seems a little strange to me.

      Best regards,
      Gerrit

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    • Phil replied

      Hi Gerrit

      Oh my opinion is coming from 'myself' as a cyclist with 25years international racing in the legs to another cyclist, nothing to do with Tacx, I just shoot films for them but other then that have nothing to do with their software or the company. I gave an answer to why I feel such a coaching tool does not exist in the Tacx software, The rest of the answer is what I feel is the truth. Its my own opinion. Training effectively can be as simple as a warm up & a simple but evil 1hr Time trial rinse & repeat, day after day.. freaking simple & who ever did this will increase their engine size, they will become stronger as long as they give time to recover....adding intervals in there adds interest I guess, but you can easily make your own & with the guidance of a coach or perhaps even reading a good book your own intervals designed by you for you will be far more effective then some of the generic things that come default with Tacx, Elite everyone else software....Im not trying to put Trainer road down or Tacx Catalyst & all the others but you can feel a kind of hysteria growing for ready made interval sessions of infinately different shapes when maybe its a good idea to stand back & spend 10minutes thinking about how you want to train......Maybe things have suddenly become complex since the days when all you had to do was nail 4 2-3hr long Zone 3 rides a week to be race winning fit?

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  32. Steve

    I have a Bushido, but my head unit is broken, will the app work without the head unit?

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Yes, it doesn't interact with the head unit at all.

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    • Tristram replied

      Are you sure the app doesn't need the head unit? I cannot connect the brake to the TTS PC software without it so why would the iPad app be different?

      I also see you have the head unit on your rig next to the iPad...

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    • Rainmaker replied

      I just confirmed again with the Tacx folks that my original statement above is correct - neither the upcoming Bluetooth variant nor the current ANT variants need the head unit while using the iPad app. Enjoy!

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  33. Paul Clark

    Can you export your ride data from the iPad app? I usually do this from TTS and upload to Strava etc to keep all my ride history together.

    Thanks

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  34. Joel Milnes

    Hi Ray, firstly your website is awesome. Do you know when the ipad mount will be available to purchase and from where?
    Thanks

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    • Rainmaker replied

      I do not, but I'll find out. I've got an ongoing e-mail thread with them about it (been e-mailing back and forth today about a triathlon mount), so I'll ask it on the next volley.

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    • Joel Milnes replied

      Hi Ray, wondered if you'd heard anything back from Tacx?
      Thanks again

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Sorry, yes. They're looking at triathlon options, but the existing one seen above won't work well there - mostly because it puts the iPad in harms way with dropping sweat while in aero position. They've been playing with other arrangements/designs (forward mounting, stand, etc...) and are actively working on a solution but didn't have an exact timeframe yet for when that might be solved.

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    • Christophe replied

      Hey,

      I've asked Tacx on their FB-page and they told me it will take 5 more weeks before the bike mount is available.

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  35. Peter K

    I've now done a couple of hours using the app for my Bushido instead of the head unit. Love the fact that you can have the app to control the trainier with & the possibility for more features down the line.

    That said, it seems like the app is not that well developed yet...? I've followed all the instructions & calibrated the app/trainer interface 5 times, BUT no matter what I do, the smoothness you have pedaling with the head unit is replaced by a very jerky and numb motion. Mthis happens no matter if you ride uphill, or on a totally flat road.

    Anyone else who's encountered the same sensation?

    Br/Peter K

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  36. Ibimbo

    Hi there
    Would anyone know whether an ant+ native for the new ipad port is in the making?

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  37. Oz

    I just used the app for the first time this evening. Clearly a massive improvement from the head unit, but I do agree with Peter K' comment that the app seems rather under developed. I hope there are planned updates in the making to include even simple data such as average watts/speed/cadence etc.

    That aside, I've checked every page and swiped in all directions...is there no calorie counter??

    Cheers, Oz

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  38. Oz

    I just used the app for the first time this evening. Clearly a massive improvement from the head unit, but I do agree with Peter K's comment that the app seems rather under developed. I hope there are planned updates in the making to include even simple data such as average watts/speed/cadence etc.

    That aside, I've checked every page and swiped in all directions... is there no calorie counter??

    Cheers, Oz

    Reply
    • Christophe replied

      Oz,

      I think you must be doing something wrong. On my training screen, the app shows the maximum, current and average of all my data such as speed, watt, cadence, gradient,....

      Christophe

      Reply
    • Christophe replied

      I did a short test and you just need to tap one of the data icons if you're in a training screen. You then switch between the current speed, watts,... and a combination of maximum, current and average speed, watts,... Hope this helps you.

      Reply
  39. Steve DW

    Hi, has someone already tested if it would be possible to use the USB ANT stick for bushido in combination with an USB adapter for iPad? Greetz

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      It does not work. The iPad USB adapter won't leverage non-mass-storage devices unfortunately.

      Reply
  40. Niels

    tried the app first time around, on the Heart Rate / Time block. As mentioned by one or two above the Bushido acts extreemly on / off. When Heart Rate is above programmed niveau the brake produces 95-100 watts, no more no less, just spinning along. When HR falls below programed niveau, the brake - within seconds- increases to between 300 and 700 watts. Thats no good for an old fart like me.

    Reply
  41. Christophe

    The app works fine except for the heart rate. I use a Garmin heart rate belt and am able to connect the heart rate belt in the settings (serial number and my BPM are displayed). But when I start a training my heart rate keeps showing 0. Anyone else having similar issues?

    Reply
  42. Niels

    Chris:
    I believe the Garmin belt is not compatible? If so its weird that you get initial recognotion though..
    Another thing is that when unchecking Powermode (using a Tracx belt) my heart rate dissapears.
    What is Powermode anyway? Would be nice with a manual..............

    Kind Regards

    Reply
  43. Justin R

    Hi Ray
    Your site is now my go to site before any new purchases so thanks for your time on it. Do you know if existing Bushido trainers will be upgradeable to Bluetooth? I'm about to push the button and buy one but will wait if they're not.
    Thanks
    Justin

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      No, there's no way to do so via software. And in talking with them, they don't have any plans to offer a physical upgrade path. Instead, using the ANT+ adapter is the way to go there.

      Reply
    • Justin R replied

      Thanks Ray
      Do you know when the Bluetooth versions will ship?
      Would you advise waiting or going for the current ANT+ version at 30% off?

      Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      They had said closer to Christmas for the BT versions.

      I wouldn't recommend a BT version actually. The reason is that in theory Tacx will swap the ANT+ versions over to the ANT+ Trainer Control profile (more on that in the coming days as part of my other posts), whereas the BT version they're likely to stay on something proprietary (from conversations it didn't sound like it was going to adopt what Wahoo and CycleOps are using).

      Thus, by going ANT+ by next spring you'll be able to use any software app on the planet for it, versus just the Tacx stuff.

      Reply
    • Christophe replied

      I also thought it's compatible because my Garmin HR belt is recognized in the settings screen (S/N and BPM showing), but as soon as I start a training my heart rate stays 0. Tacx however mentions in the App Store that their app doesn't work with the Garmin ANT+ dongle, so perhaps it's the same for the Garmin HR belt. I have posed the question to Tacx and am currently waiting for a reply.

      Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      The Garmin ANT+ adapter is different because it's hard-coded to only work with the Garmin FIT app (kinda stupid).

      Whereas the Garmin HR strap is just generic ANT+ HR.

      Reply
  44. murat aroyo

    HI RAY
    1-HOW CAN I DOWNLOAD THE TRAIL VERSION OF TACX TRAINER SOFTWARE INORDER TO UPDATE BOSHIDO'S BRAEKE AND COMPUTER FIRMWARE ???
    AFTER THE UPDATE I WILL KEEP WORKING WITH IPAD ..
    2-DOES WAHOO/IPAD READS GARMINS HR and SRM POWEMETER ???

    THANKS

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      1) Offhand I believe you can just download this version here: link to tacx.com and it'll act as a trial until you enter a key (90% sure about that).

      2) The Tacx iPad app using the Wahoo adapter reads your Garmin HR strap, but the Tacx App does not read your SRM power meter. You can use the free Wahoo App however to read your SRM power meter.

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  45. murat aroyo

    there is no trail version or something that works like that .... those files on the link are just upgrade files :(
    i think there is no way to upgrade firmware without paying for TTS :(((
    why we should pay and wait for it ? why tacx dosen't let us download hole software and pay online ...
    what a shame !!!

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      Just to clarify though, you don't actually need to update the firmware to allow iPad control. In my discussions with them that should be working all the way back.

      In any event, have you tried calling support for a trial link? I know they have it because everything in the software requires a key, so without the key the software is only good as a trial/updater.

      Reply
  46. Phil

    Yes contact support there used to be even a small exe that was made just for updating the firmware, but the ipad app should work with it anyway. It will need a firmware update if Tacx should switch to the new Ant+ format that's been talked about.

    Reply
  47. JB

    It would be easier if Tacx build a Firmware upgrade option in the Ipad application.

    Reply
  48. murat aroyo

    it would be nice if tacx gives us this small exe file to use via windows + ant stick to upgrade our firmwares ... and even connect our powermeters and connect all ( trainer , head unit comp and powermeter ) ...
    without any ipad even ., at least

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  49. Stephen

    Thanks for all the great information and updates.
    Do you know if/when they plan to release Google earth capability for GPS rides on the iPad? I would like to have this capability and trying to decide whether to invest in the TTS software for PC or the iPad dongle. The iPad is obviously less expensive, but currently doesn't have GPS rides.

    Reply
  50. Brise

    Hi Ray,

    I just saw that the app is released in iTunes. But concerning the ipad mount in your article, I can't find it anywhere. Do you know if they are planning to roll it out later?

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      Yes, it's slightly behind. As noted above a bit - more like a few weeks away before being launched.

      Reply
  51. jason whitwell

    couple questions here. Will this do virtually the same as the windows version. I find the computer demands very high for the windows version. I am not overly familiar with the tacx other than riding a friends. basickly what doesnt this do that the trainer software 4.0 does.

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      A lot. This is really a v1 release, whereas the TTS is a v4 (but actually like a v40) release. For example, the Virtual Environments aren't here, nor the ability to export workouts, etc... They'll slowly add them in, but it won't be overnight. That said, it's a good start.

      Reply
  52. Chris

    Love the iPad brace. Any idea when it will be available to purchase in the US?

    Reply
  53. Mitch

    Ray,
    Do you know options out there for iPad2 owners to enable Bluetooth Smart, and then take advantage of the iPad apps....but on the iPad2?
    ie I note the reference to iPad3 compatibility

    Did not want to have to upgrade my iPad2 if I can avoid the cost as it does everything else I need.

    thanks in advance
    Mitch

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      There's no option to enable Bluetooth Smart on older iPad's (through hardware or otherwise). However, that doesn't matter much, because Tacx hasn't actually produced a Bluetooth Smart unit yet - so everything is going via ANT+ right now and the ANT+ adapter (which works just fine on BT Smart).

      Reply
  54. Nordin Naciri

    Do you have any idea when they are launching the bluetooth edition? What about Garmin Ant+ heart rate belt? Do the not work together with the bluetooth edition?

    Best Regards
    Nordin, Denmark

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      As of 4 minutes ago, they are still targeting later this calendar year for the Bluetooth edition.

      Reply
  55. Christophe

    Regarding the Garmin HR straps issue with the iPad app, Tacx gave me the following reply: There is an update coming for straps and HR messages. Is in next release (coming within 2 weeks.

    Reply
  56. Linda

    I just love your extensive reviews. Very informative, especially since there's a ton of choices to make when it comes to home trainers. I'll get the Bushido real soon (before the new version comes out, because I don't want to rely on an iPad to do a training).

    Reply
  57. Peter

    I understand the app doesn't allow you to export your files yet - but does it keep a history to reference previous workouts in case these updates take longer than they're anticipating? I dont have a beefy enough PC for their software at the moment and I cant use my Mac - so im trying to avoid buying a new PC if i can do virtually everything with the iPad.

    I've been dragging my feet on this purchase but i think im about to pull the trigger.

    Reply
  58. Stuart Forsyth

    Great review have been waiting on this product for a long time still dragging heels whether to go tacx or cycleops as you can use virtual reality rides with the latter, any ideas when the download movies for tacx will come out and the variety of them

    Reply
    • Phil replied

      Stuart, I expect the video player for the ipad will be ready fairly soon now, the list of rides available for it will for starters mirror the recent 2013 rides that are available for download already for the PC based software. These are properly made with the latest cinema camera kit with very accurate grade data & tested by a small group of serious cyclists that are all a bit anal about accuracy...the idea is the grade you see is what you should feel in real life, this is a simulation of the real thing rather then a complete abstract of it. The list will be a bit limited to start with but over the winter it will grow fast. The collection for the PC is vast with many 1000s of miles of video filmed. We will make a great collection for the ipad... But easiest thing to do is to simply check out the images here link to facebook.com & think about if you want to "ride" the Stelvio or just watch a GoPro film of it with the trainer set to hard?

      Reply
  59. Stuart Forsyth

    Hey thanks a lot for that buddy was just checking it all now and yip tacx wins goin order myself an I vortex. Couple other questions if I could
    Would it be best to get a tack pulsband have a garmin but heard mixed reports about using it.
    And I live in Sweden so getting the wahoo key bit hard
    The shop is selling a tacx kablage USB docking station and tacx kablage USB dongle ant + would this work same way as in you plug docking station into I pad and put the dongle in it and it does same.
    So glad I found your website been way more help than all the forums
    Keep up the good work

    Reply
    • Brian Jensen replied

      I do not think that it would work.
      However you can order it from Denmark link to pulsure.dk

      Reply
    • Phil replied

      Keep & use the Garmin HRM band/strap its identical to the Tacx one, to get a good signal simply add a little shower gel (or spit) to the contacts. It should be perfect then from the start & keep the strap smeeling a bit better. Not sure about the Ant+ stick question. I use a Tacx one which seems to work fine with all my Ant+ devices. The Garmin one will be the same as would the wahoo stick...its a bit like the Ant+ HRM strap they all do the same thing with the same radio frequencies. If you mean a USB extension cable to get the stick closer to the trainer then its a good idea if your USB ports are at the back of the PC some distance away.

      Reply
    • Phil replied

      Keep & use the Garmin HRM band/strap its identical to the Tacx one, to get a good signal simply add a little shower gel (or spit) to the contacts. It should be perfect then from the start & keep the strap smelling a bit better. Not sure about the Ant+ stick question. I use a Tacx one which seems to work fine with all my Ant+ devices. The Garmin one will be the same as would the wahoo stick...its a bit like the Ant+ HRM strap they all do the same thing with the same radio frequencies. If you mean a USB extension cable to get the stick closer to the trainer then its a good idea if your USB ports are at the back of the PC some distance away.

      Reply
  60. Linda

    Ok, I'm confused. I've read everything above this post and I read about an upcoming Bushido and the current version, and I also ready about being able to use only Tacx software vs. "any" software. As of now I have no idea whether I should wait for the new Bushido, or get the current one, if I want to use software other than the one Tacx has released. Like, will I be able to use the app Strava created with the Bushido that's currently for sale? Or should I wait for the new one? Thnx.

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  61. Stuart Forsyth

    Thanks Brian got one on order and thanks Phil for all your great advice I will def be recommending your web site to friends much better than trying to find the answers on the web site,
    So a I vortex with wahoo. Ant and my iPad with the great movies on the way , the tacx Facebook page tells me that this years tourmlet will be coming on iPad soon as well.
    Other thing I was wondering can you do it now or is it a planned thing is to use a big tv to do training through Apple TV
    Thanks again guys you rock

    Reply
    • Brian Jensen replied

      Right now the AppleTV just does a plain mirror of the screen. But I am also hoping for real AppleTV support. Maybe all the stats on the iPad and the video on the screen.

      Reply
  62. Stuart Forsyth

    Oh and would I be able to do sufferfest on my phone

    Reply
  63. What is the multirider potential using the iPad?

    I am looking to setup a multirider studio.

    Reply
  64. Antony de Csernatony

    Hi
    this if very interesting reading, wish i had read this 2 days ago as i have just purchased a bushido and had no idea that a new bluetooth version was coming :( hope i had not made a mistake?

    I am also surprised that the wahoo Ant+ does not ship with an iphone5 connector, will there or is there upgraded ones available.

    thanks

    Reply
  65. Eik Enevoldsen

    Hi
    Thanks for a in depth review,
    If having Bushido/Ipad setup, how does front wheel steering angle(turning in video mode) work?
    Thanks
    Eik

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  66. stuart forsyth

    great convinced wife to spend bucks on the whole deal bit let. down on ipad front am hopefull eventually tacx will.pull it together and sort out the issues spent last week trying to get everything to work ipad accepts heartband and brake but fails to show any consistent readings esp heart rate and the incline when going up downhill .heres hoping for the best. least u can spend more money and do sufferfest movies

    Reply
  67. Christophe

    Hi,
    Does anyone know if the following is possible on the iPad? When creating a custom training, is it possible to input comments for each route (which gear to use, rpm,...) so that this info is showing during the workout itself?

    Thx,

    Reply
  68. Peter

    I recently bought the Bushido and I have the original iPad which i was hoping would work with the wahoo fitness dongle but it appears it wont be an option (i know it says iPad2 req). So now the question is: Do I buy a new iPad and the adapter for the wahoo plug OR buy a used iPad2 and save some bucks OR buy a computer to specifically run the software for the Tacx? I know there are some pros and cons to each but trying to figure out what makes most sense as they are transitioning to a more robust app.

    Thanks in advance

    Reply
    • Eik Enevoldsen replied

      I have just today bought Bushido and iPad mount. I have iPad 1. tried Garmin ant+ without success
      Wahoo ant+ works fine ........

      Reply
  69. Chris

    Tried using the app tonight and everything seemed in working order paired and the ipad was receiving info from the vortex. But the motor wasn't receiving from the ipad, so watts were not changing according to slope or free spin. Then I tried the regular vortex head unit which has never given me problems but it was doing the same thing and was displaying an error message: E021. Tried unplugging the unit multiple times and removing the batteries from the head unit but never got rid of the error message. Any ideas?..

    Thanks
    Chris

    Reply
  70. stuart forsyth

    so tacx replied and they confirm that this week there will be update which will solve all the issues and give us a video player.nice cant wait

    Reply
    • Hans replied

      Any news about the release of the bluetooth trainers? Cant wait to get one...

      Reply
  71. tacxbk73

    Looks like the BT trainers are out now. PS I dont work for Tacx
    link to evanscycles.com

    Reply
  72. Carsten Jakobsen

    This is great.
    Are there any chance the street view / planing routes with Google will come to the iPad version as well?

    Reply
  73. Hey Ray,

    Just curious whether or not there is any word on open ANT+ for Tacx trainers yet...

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      No word there. To be fair, they're really waiting on the ANT+ SIG specs to get finalized, so I wouldn't expect that to get all completed till early next year.

      Fwiw, they did just start shipping BLE trainers on Friday. Which reminds me that I have an e-mail to answer from them...

      Reply
  74. Andy

    My goal is video riding for entertainment/motivation through the winter rather than hardcore training with power. My Tacx Fortius no longer works and needs to be upgraded. Computer would need to be replaced too.I have some old Tacx RLVs but like the idea of the new downloadable Tacx RLVs or Tacx ipad videos or Kinomap videos.

    Best bang for buck seems to be Tacx Vortex or BKool trainers for hardware but Tacx seems more esrablished (early BKool server issues.) Any preference?

    For software I dont want to buy a new computer (old one is below specs for TSS) so ipad control sounds great. Would Tacx and Wahoo ipad apps each control the Bkool and Vortex? Which software route is better if its mainly for videos not catalyst-type training? (I still don't understand if I should care about Ant+ vs BTLE).

    Reply
  75. Paul Clark

    Any news on when we can export workouts from the iPad application and upload to trainingpeaks etc?

    Reply
  76. Peter Jones

    I am totally confused at what I can do or get for my Ipad2 to view and control my Tacx Flow.I have a Garmin HR belt ant+,and that's about it?what app do I need on my IPad and any other bits for IPad use?
    I was looking at the upgrade of the tacx Flow,but my computer is not in a place that my bike can be in to watch the monitor,so the Use of the IPad instead would be brilliant.
    Any help would be appreciated,
    Thankyou.

    Reply
  77. Christophe

    Peter,
    As mentioned by Tacx in the app information, the iPad can only be used with Genius, Vortex and Bushido trainers => Tacx ANT+ compatible trainers (i-Genius, i-Genius Multiplayer, Genius, Genius Multiplayer, i-Vortex, Vortex & Bushido) in combination with a Wahoo ANT+ dongle.

    Reply
  78. Steve

    Tacx Bushido for tablets T2790 : did Tacx stay on BT proprietary or did they adopt an open standard. Please advise.

    Reply
  79. Eddy

    Hi there,

    Is it (or will it very soon be) possible to use a Garmin Edge head unit with a bushido T1980 and collect power data from the Bushido? Has anyone already done this or is it just promised to come in the future?

    Thanks

    E

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      No, that'll depend on Tacx broadcasting power via ANT+ in the open. To date, they haven't done that (despite a lot of requests for it).

      Reply
  80. Eddy

    What a pity, they could shift a lot of units if they did that!

    Thanks Ray

    E

    Reply
  81. Jeff

    I'm liking this app but....the scale that runs along left side is off for watts and hr on mine. I see different scales on the photo here. Is this adjustable somehow?

    Reply
  82. Bart

    Any news about the firmware update for open Ant+? Seems quiet around this topic (also @ tacx forum

    Reply
  83. Bart

    sorry, i have read the comments top to bottom :(.... already replied approx 1 month ago. So no status update yet.

    Reply
  84. Francois

    hello Ray,
    Tacx Bushido T2790 for Tablet is really promising.
    But I'm really wondering if it is a good choice, since constructors are moving to open ANT+ trainer profile. As I understand it:
    * going to BT 4.0 version of the Bushido will not go to an future proof opened solution and I will be stuck wih Tacx.
    * And going with the T1980 ANT+ version is future proof, since it will allow me to go either to ANT+ open profile or to use a Tablet. Or I have no guarantee that current T1980 will be upgradable to ANT+ open profile ?
    Is that a correct understanding?

    Best-Regards

    Reply
  85. ken

    How / can you upload GPX files to the app so you can ride your own course?

    Reply
  86. Mans

    I saw a tacx t1980 bushido for like 350 bucks. but with tacx not having released the open ant+ trainer update, just wonder if it is smart to buy, or stay away from it. This because I really like to use the other software around (like trainerroad or virtual training or even the tacx app) instead of TTS

    Reply
  87. Frank

    The Bushido is finally for sell - incl BT.
    When the Genius will come for Ipad and with BT?

    Reply
  88. Tiny Lommers

    Hi Ray,
    Owning the tacx bushido a few weeks now i was trying to get data exchanged. I read in your blog that tacx is planning such functionality. Is there any news on that? Would indeed be great to exchang with trainingpeaks.
    Tiny.

    Reply
    • Phil replied

      Tiny your Bushido is compatible with Tacx Training Software Version 4 & this has direct export to Training Peaks...& you could ride any of these http://tacxreallifevideo.com

      I hear that Tacx do plan to go with the open Ant+ protocol when its finally released but just like all of the company's that produce trainers that use Ant they have no idea on the time frame.

      As for the BT version being open, Ive no idea.

      Reply
  89. Marco Rocha

    Does the ipad2 with ANT+ adapter will work with the bushido tablet?

    Reply
  90. Tracey Jones

    I have just ordered the bluetooth bushido. I already have tts4 from my old fortius. Will this work with the bushido bt using the ant+ stick, or am I limited to the ipad app.

    Reply
  91. Great review as always Ray. My club uses Tacx VR to allow four of us to race one another - it is superb. I'd love one at home to replace my Cycleops Fluid Pro in due course as I now find non connected turbo a bit boring by comparison.

    Reply
  92. Tobias

    Hi DC,
    great side. Helps us cycing freaks so much!

    I wanted to tune my ANT+ bushido, too. My Laptop is to slow also for TTS 3.
    So is it worth the tune up with the ipad or better take a newer laptop or pc?
    Is the power in the videos realistic? Also at the catalyst (I use srm)?
    And how does the video use work? Do you have to download it and how big is it?

    Reply
    • Phil replied

      If you want to train a lot inside & want the very best cycling simulation get a Laptop & ride these http://tacxreallifevideo.com in BluRay quality , if you just need to do a quick 1hr workout every now & then then the ipad is the way to go.

      Reply
  93. Francois

    Is it possible to download rides/files from my Garmin 510 to the Tacx software?

    Regards

    Reply
    • Phil replied

      Its possible with the PC based software but not quite yet with the IOS ipad app,

      Reply
  94. Marion Lesperance

    Hi, I am training on a iVortex with the ipad app and the Ant+ key. During training, it keeps disconnecting and says the training is paused. Do you have any idea for a solution? thank you.

    Reply
  95. Jonathlon

    Sorry if this has already been answered but can you upload training plans from TP to the tacx app?

    Reply
    • Phil replied

      Not yet, you also cant yet save training data, but I hear this is all in the works

      Reply
  96. Dan

    Quick question please. If I have the previous Tacx Bushido model, may I simply buy a dongle for my ipad and can start to train on the bushido linking information to the ipad?

    Thanks!

    Reply
    • Phil replied

      yes so long as you have the Ant+ dongle it will work. The new version of the Bushido has BT also so you then dont need the dongle with a ipad. The Dongle is for the older versions of Bushido Genius & Vortex.

      Reply
  97. Stefano

    I was very excited wham I read about the Tacx app for iPad. I'm an Apple products user for a lot of time, so I don't own any PC but I own a Vortex trainer.
    I got the Ant+ dongle and I'm using the iPad/dongle/Vortex combination since few weeks and... it doesn't work well, to be polite. The iPad connects to the trainer and the app shows RPM, velocity, watt, slope as it should but with different success. Resistance/slope seems to be the main problem, the app show it changing but actually it doesn't or very occasionally, both in workouts or videos. Anyone does experience the same? Do I have to upgrade the firmware? I don't have the last version, as I told I'm a Mac user and I shouldn't know how to do it.
    Thanks

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  98. Tim Grose

    Finally got around to trying this myself on an iPad3 and a Genius. As seems typical of the PC version seemed to take several goes to get the brake to pair but it did and a calibration worked. Curiously I could not get my HRM-Run strap (with a Forerunner 620) to pair although it worked fine with the Wahoo app. I then dug out an older Garmin soft strap and that paired straight away. I had downloaded a video of Milan-San Remo and that worked well for the 15 mins I managed - got a bit of an injury right now so that was enough for today. I had an Edge 810 recording from the Garmin speed/cadence sensor. Can it record the Tacx data as mentioned in the review? Nearly all the videos seem to involve climbing some brute of a mountain. TBH I would prefer to mainly use a scenic "rolling" course for general training.

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      To my knowledge the Tacx unit still doesn't outbound transmit that power data.

      Reply
    • Phil replied

      There is a whole bunch of easy rides on the way to balance out the IOS collection a bit more. Aube Valley is dead flat, then Lanzarote is not hard & we just made about 200km of film in Gascony thats all easy scenic clubrun style stuff with incredible views of the Pyrenees in the distance, this should be all heading into the IOS collection...We just did Majorca including the Ironman, the first half of that is going to IOS but its got a mountain!

      Reply
    • Pawel replied

      Hi Ray,
      do you have any information if the power data broadcast over ANT+ will ever happen?

      Reply
  99. Pierre Naude

    Anyone gr an idea when the next release will be? Quite a few easy enhancements that thy could include and they seem to have been working a very long time on the next relase, i.e. 7 months!!!
    Working quite well for me doing intervals in the Watt/Time mode

    Reply
  100. Ant

    Hi, I really enjoyed your review on all the technology behind fitness equipment. A place where I can find out compatibility of equipments and accessories.

    I am looking forward to buy a trainer to help me improve on my biking fitness. Unfortunately (or fortunately), only tacx and cycleops is available in my country. All ready to buy a tacx bushido (ANT+ version), but disappointed to find out that the local distributor told me that tacx has stopped shipping ANT+ bushido and they only have stock for Bluetooth version with tablet. Sigh ... bad luck i guess.

    Now I have my worries ... just bought the garmin 620 with the new HRM belt (only belt i have to measure HR), will it work with the new bluetooth bushido? I know i will need to buy the Wahoo ANT+ adaptor, but before i invest in more accessories, can someone with experience with my situation be able to advise if I can connect the garmin new HRM even with the adaptor? I have another issue too that the bluetooth bushido need IPAD 3 and above to connect. Sigh... if only they continue to sell the ANT+ bushido unit ...

    Thanks guys, hope somebody can help.

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  101. MackanG

    I asked tacx on twitter and they told me the Android app will be released this week.

    Reply
  102. Jayb

    HI rainmaker, is there any update to your reply below? Im wondering if to order the old ANT+ Bushido or the new BT bushido

    Cheers, your reviews are much appreciated!

    Rainmaker replied
    October 6, 2013 at 1:30 pm #93
    They had said closer to Christmas for the BT versions.

    I wouldn't recommend a BT version actually. The reason is that in theory Tacx will swap the ANT+ versions over to the ANT+ Trainer Control profile (more on that in the coming days as part of my other posts), whereas the BT version they're likely to stay on something proprietary (from conversations it didn't sound like it was going to adopt what Wahoo and CycleOps are using).

    Thus, by going ANT+ by next spring you'll be able to use any software app on the planet for it, versus just the Tacx stuff.

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    • Rainmaker replied

      As of last week, they have not yet moved forward on going towards the trainer control profile. They said as of Friday they are still evaluating it.

      Reply
  103. Enrique

    Hi Rainmaker, thanks for your thorough reviews.

    I live in South America and I am thinking to purchase a Tacx Bushido for iPad with BT. I will most likely purchase it in the US and have it shipped home. Thus, I would need the unit to be reliable HW-wise (exchanges are pretty much impossible). I shudder when I read that buyers had to have their trainers exchanged at their LBS for some malfunction as this won't be possible for me. That's one of the reasons for choosing a more basic model, thinking that simplicity=more reliability. From what you have heard, does this reasoning sound OK to you? Thanks a lot.

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Given they've just started to announce some new I'd probably look to wait a month or two, since the new units have a bit more functionality.

      That said, to your original point it's still very risky. And honestly from a risk perspective the Bushido is really in the same camp as the higher end ones.

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  104. Jeremy R

    May have missed this above... Would the RFLTK+ work as an ANT+ bridge for the app as opposed to using the lightning adapter? Lightning adapter and Wahoo/Tacx ANT+ adapter = really messy.

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    • Rainmaker replied

      No, not at this point unfortunately. That would take Tacx and Wahoo working together*. Given they're more of competitors these days, seems pretty unlikely.

      * Though, ironically, Tacx licenses their ANT+ adapter from Wahoo.

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  105. Marvin P

    Hi ,

    Nice review. Any idea whn virutal reality comes to the i-pad? or racing v eachother just like on TTS4?

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  106. Dave

    Hi, I've stumbled across your blogs two nights on the run now while researching Tacx Vr turbos. You seem to be more helpful than Tacx themselves – so thanks. A lot of the info out there is old so I'm a little confused. I'd like to do training with routes and if possible upload from google as well as famous rides. I am on a mac, the app looks great, which trainers is it compatible with and is the top of the range worth the extra in your opinion. Thanks in advance, Dave

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    • Ray Maker replied

      Unfortunately, the Tacx software doesn't run on a Mac. Just iOS and PC (with iOS being a small subset of PC).

      I'd expect some more compatibility related news next week at Eurobike from Tacx, on Wednesday.

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  107. Dave

    Thanks Ray

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  108. Cato

    Is it possible to export the training file from the iPad, and then import it to garmin connect?

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  109. Steve

    Hi,

    Maybe this have already been posted, but anyway :

    I have a I Vortex (not the new smart) - will the new (not released)app on Android manage to connect to that trainer ?
    Do i need a special ANT reciever or will the excisiting USB reviever work?
    I hope to connect a ordinary Android tablet to that trainer with the functions that are present on the Ipad/app as of today........

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    • DC Rainmaker replied

      I believe if you have an i-Vortext you could if your Android phone supports ANT+ natively. If not, you'd need the adapter.

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  110. Antoine Labrosse

    I have a tacx T2050 trainer and a garmin edge 1000 with its sensors.
    I
    have noticed that the cadence reading on the TACX software is always higher (typically 6 turns/min) than the reading on the edge unit. This is a rather large difference.

    Anyone experienced this ?

    Antoine

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  111. Yeomeo

    Like post 154 I'd love to know if it's at all possible to upload a gpx or similar file to the ipad app in order to ride a specific course... ie. train on a course using the gpx from the race website etc.. If not, would the Bushido [tablet] allow this through the TTS software and connect through BT?
    Cheers

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  112. Jeremy

    Hello,

    I just received the Vortex Smart. Paired it with my iPad mini, and it seems to work well.
    Yesterday, I tried to pair the trainer with my Ambit 2 in order to have it record the data sent by the trainer (mainly power, as I already have a speed/cadence sensor on the bike).
    The watch did not find any "pod", be it speed, cadence, power, bike pod.

    Did I do something wrong? Is it supposed to work?
    The new line of trainers should broadcast power data over ANT+, shouldn't they?

    NB: I wasn't actually training, I just plugged the trainer and start an activity on the watch

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    • DC Rainmaker replied

      The Ambit2 can be super finicky when it comes to pairing with ANT+ devices. I'll give it a try a little bit later today. But, in general, you may need to hold the Ambit2 directly next to the trainer and retry one or a dozen times (seriously) to get it to pair. Once it pairs, then you're good from there on out.

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    • Jeremy replied

      Ah ah, great, thanks for the super-quick answer.
      It paired instantly with my cheap (Decathlon) speed/cadence sensor.
      I tried a quick-and-dirty pairing yesterday with the vortex, so I'll try it...better this evening.

      Non need to be rolling on the trainer for it to broadcast through ANT+?

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    • DC Rainmaker replied

      It might actually need to be rolling, at least initially, to be honest. I'll poke at it a bit later (waiting for a delivery-man, and can't leave my post near the door, and don't know if I'll be waiting here 1 hour or 7 more hours).

      The Ambit series has always been very finicky when it comes to pairing with ANT+ devices. Never got a good explanation, though, I've found that folks are always eventually able to pair. Even if it really does take 10-15 tries. :-/

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    • Jeremy replied

      So, it worked fine on my next attempt.
      No need to roll the trainer. I just plugged it in, put the AMbit close to it, and that was it.

      Worked nice with the iPad App.
      My only gripe is that the Tacx App "pause" when not active on the ipad screen, so I do not get any power adjustments on the trainer.
      Perhaps it is due to the iPad mini being quite "low-speced" to handle both the tacx app and, let say, watching a movie.

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  113. Michal Maliarik

    Any news regarding old Bushido transmiting data via ANT+ so garmin Edge 810 could be used as head unit to record the training? Thanks 4 info.

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    • DC Rainmaker replied

      No, unfortunately there aren't enough channels available on the ANT+ chip used within the older Bushido (according to Tacx).

      Reply
  114. Steve Frood

    Hi, just bought the Vortex smart and using the iPad app. Do you know if it's possible to use google earth to plot routes etc?

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  115. Reb

    DC. R. Have you seen a app that can sync and mirror the Garmin Edge series computers onto an iPad. So if I am ridding on a stand alone trainer with my bike the garmin edge 810 is getting the ANT Plus data from crank and wheel speed and heart rate monitor and they bluetooth connect to iPad and display it larger??

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