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  1. Kenneth Trueman
    May 20, 2013

    Just rode Gran Fondo NY on Sunday, where it rained solid during the entire 6 hours I was on the road. No issues to report during or after the ride. This was my 3rd Stages Power meter after the first 2 had given up the ghost after or during rides in wet / rain conditions. This time around it worked at all times. I also tried moving it off the crank arm by hand 24 hours later and it stayed put just fine (the 1st essentially flicked off). So far so good with the new adhesive being used to attach it to the crank. Yippee !

    • E92Vancouver
      May 21, 2013

      Thanks for the update! Sounds like Stages has figured this one out and the product is working great.

  2. Changren Yong
    May 21, 2013

    Every single Stages power meter is shown as on backorder. The order i submitted last week gave a 4 to 6 weeks lead time. I wonder if Stages Cycling is busy dealing with warranty exchanges from existing users. It worries me that the Power meters would just fall off from the crank arms due to regular use.

  3. Stephane
    May 21, 2013

    Does someone have loss reading power/cadence problems with the Stages Power and the iPhone ?

    I used the Stages Power Bluetooth with iPhone 5 and RFLKT. Reading of power/cadence frequently stop for few seconds (data is absent from TCX file). I noticed that the distance between the Stages Power and the iPhone seem to affect more.
    EX: iPhone in my jersey back pocket, loss reading 45 seconds per minute, iPhone in my little tri bag, 3 to 5 seconds loss reading every 1 or 2 minutes

    Distance between Bluetooth Speed/Cadence sensor, bluetooth heart rate strap, RFLKT and iPhone could be more then 20 feets without any loss…

    Thank you for your help

  4. E92Vancouver
    May 23, 2013

    I had an issue with my stages power meter. It gave erratic readings and there were data drops during a ride where it started raining. The unit died but came back to life later. I have a second stages on my rain bike and t too died during a wet ride.It started working again later though.

    Anyway, for the hell of it, I thought I would email Stages to see what they thought the issue was. I was shocked, they emailed me back within 5 minutes. They said if I wanted, they would replace both units for me.

    So I called in and I was shocked again because someone answered the phone on the 3rd ring! I asked to speak to tech support and the person said tell me your issue and then I will decide who should take you call.

    I explained the issue and they said, not a problem I will ship you two replacement units today. I live in Canada and the next day the replacement units showed up at my door. They also emailed me a return courier waybill for the old units.

    Stages is a company that does not take customer service lightly. They excel at it and I am sure they are putting this focus into their product too!

    If you are thinking about buying this product, go for it! They totally stand behind their product.

    Apparently the new units have a different bonding adhesive.

    I have no regrets buying this power meter.

    • E92Vancouver
      May 25, 2013

      So went on a ride today with my replacement Stages. Weather man called for clouds., Soon into my 4 hour ride, I was caught in a rain storm. I was horrified. Was I going to fry my new Stages? Hell no! Stages handled the wet and rain no problem. It worked flawlessly. Power readings were nice and smooth!!!

    • E92Vancouver
      May 29, 2013

      Went for another ride in the rain. Everything is working well!

  5. Daren Austin
    May 23, 2013

    I have to concur. Stages are taking customer service very seriously. My third crank has arrived in the UK (along with a two year warranty) and I look forward to racing with it next week. As I said earlier, I had no problems with variability of reading and the unit suits my purpose. Like others, I want to see the company and device succeed, because I believe it to be the most elegant solution for the majority of cyclists.

    As a cross-reference, I now have racing data from my Stages and my PowerCal, and on overall power summaries, the numbers are not dissimilar at all. Sadly, unlike Ray, I don’t yet have access to two head units to compare readings.

  6. James
    May 29, 2013

    Hi Ray. When can we expect to see an updated review based on the new firmware?

  7. Harmless Harm
    May 29, 2013

    On power fluctuations over the ride: even at PRO riders; there is unequal pedal balance (up to 56/44%), and more important drifing to other side over the course of a (mutiple hour) ride.
    This can’t be fixed in firmware.-)
    Ray, is effect of pedal-balance-drift part of your data analysis study?

    • Rainmaker
      June 9, 2013

      No, aside from the ROTOR power meter and Polar PM’s, there are no other PM’s on the market today that would allow for such testing. The challenge with the Polar is that it can’t be independently confirmed (no calibration method to support that), thus, I wouldn’t feel comfortable using that as a baseline.

      On the ROTOR, they’ve pretty much held up deliveries of those, and everything I’m seeing says it’s got a bit of a long road ahead (making the Stages launch look downright picture perfect).

      Long term, I’d love to understand what impact pedal balance may or may not have though.

  8. Power Meter Noob
    June 6, 2013

    Quick question for you guys. I currently have a Trek SpeedConcept TT with DuoTrap Speed/Cadence sensor – and a Powertap SL+ and Joule 2.0 – everything works OK but the wheel package is not so good for races so I want to switch to this Stages PM and wondered which would be better – using the cadence from the Stages PM or conitune to use the cadence from the DuoTrap – which is more accurate?

    • Victor
      June 12, 2013

      The cadence from the DuoTrap would be more accurate as it registers a reading when the magnet physically rotates past. The cadence from stages is based on accelerometers and there could be instances where it is thrown off. That being said, I have the stage and did a comparison test and the Stages cadence was pretty accurate itself at least on the trainer.

      However, if you choose to use the cadence from stages, you cannot use the DuoTrap with a Garmin head unit. I have not been able to single out only the Duotrap speed. Its either both or none at all.

  9. Brandon Smith
    June 9, 2013

    Should we give up on an update? You had targeted the week of 4/22 for the update and have been “waiting for data” for over 8 weeks. If the data is taking that long, perhaps there is something wrong with it. I have been a big fan of your work for a long time, but the way you handled and went about this Stages review (using faulty hardware to test it, not posting an update after firmware fixed stability issues) is really upsetting. Your reviews influence a lot of buyers, and in this case you caused a real business impact, perhaps incorrectly.

    • Rainmaker
      June 9, 2013

      Thanks Brandon.

      I sent the data out in early April for deeper analysis, but frankly haven’t gotten it back yet (despite a lot of asking). I’ve gone ahead and started to do that deeper analysis myself, balancing everything else against that (other products, work, life, etc…). It’s as simple as that.

      They have made very solid firmware improvements, and many of the areas they improved were absolutely a direct result of the first review due to issues they had that we identified. It had nothing to do with any ‘fault hardware’, but rather just issues they’ve since corrected.

      Ultimately, if a company comes out with a product that has fundamental issues at launch, then they run the risk of reviews focusing on those issues. I constantly advice companies not to rush to market, as you can’t put it back in the bottle when it comes to reviews. Once a product is considered ‘shipping’ (as this was), then it’s open season. Trying to rush to meet an arbitrary date (Jan 31st in their case), no doubt was a less than ideal situation.

      That’s not to say I don’t want an update out – trust me, I probably do more than anyone else.

    • E92Vancouver
      June 9, 2013

      Irrespective of Rainmaker’s review conclusions, I went out and bought this unit and am very happy with it.

      My power readings are smooth and I have it set to instantaneous. I do not using averaging or smoothing.

  10. EO
    June 9, 2013

    Jeez calling him out huh? I personally understand your frustration. I too have been waiting for a re-review — hearing that Stages have the issues worked out is the only thing that stands in the way of me pulling the trigger and buying one for myself.

    That said, I am sure that Ray is a busy guy, in retrospect he shouldn’t have promised any date then his followers wouldn’t bust his balls so bad. Ray keep up the good work!

  11. Frederic
    June 11, 2013

    I decided to go ahead and order a stages pm. It’s bleeding edge and DC’s Jan review had several paragraphs of warning to that effect. I do triathlon and I want to pace myself during races so pwr over 10 or 30s is what I’m after and I’m fine with the left/right imbalance if there’s any. It is light and less expensive so I gave it a try.

    It was back ordered and it took about a month to get it. I received it a week ago. Installation was easy as DC indicated.Updating the fw through my iphone was easy too. I calibrated it and started recorded power.

    I set up to compare the power reading from roadtrainer + my trainer against stages with my 910XT. I could see the values on the screen being the same or very close although power reading fluctuates a lot. Then I saw the watch showing 0 w and 0 rpm despite my pedaling. I found that my Garmin 910XT and stages
    lose communication with randomly a few times per minute. The cadence and the power goes to zero. It appears to be a communication set up or a synch issue. They reestablish connection and then it goes away again. Stages customer service responded the same day on a Sunday. Garmin responded Monday and asked that I reset the watch. That didn’t fix the issue.

    I see no drops when recording on my trainer with roadtrainer sw and a ANT+ stick (the garmin stick which came with the 910XT ! ). I tried with a garmin 810 for 2-3minutes and didn’t see drops although I couldn’t download the file. On two other garmin 910XT, I saw the connection drops within a minute.

    There’s something different between the chipset /firmware Garmin put in a 910XT and their bike computers. I hope it can be fixed with a firmware update.
    I’ll wait for a fix from either companies and when I’m back from vacations may decide to get a 500 or 510 or some other computer known to work with stages.

    • Victor
      June 12, 2013

      I had this issue yesterday on the trainer with Stages power dropping from both my Garmin 500 and 800. It stayed connected probably half the time and would drop out for 30 seconds every 2 min. I am not sure what caused this as I did not have the issue a couple days before on the trainer or on the road. I think it may have been some sort of interference issue but I could not identify what could be the source. It was certainly frustrating but hopefully it is not a Stages issue but more of an environmental interference issue.

  12. steve
    June 17, 2013

    Durianrider put up a review on youtube yesterday. Not sure how he got his hands on the latest Stages Cycling product though… He compares it with a powertap and is running 2 Garmin 310xt at once and shows strava data. Looks promising.

    • E92Vancouver
      June 18, 2013

      Steve, I think you would agree that the DC Rainmaker 2nd review trumps the Durianrider analysis. Check it out here. You will be very impressed.

      link to dcrainmaker.com

  13. Changren Yong
    June 18, 2013

    I think it’s unfair to criticize Ray for not posting an updated review on the Stages Power Meter sooner. This guy has a full time job! Putting a thorough review like those that Ray is known for takes a lot of time. I’d rather Ray take his time and do a good and complete review than a half-ass one just to satisfy those who are demanding one now.

    On another note, i am expecting my Stages Power Meter to show up in the mail tomorrow. Can’t wait to try out what will be my first ever power meter.

    • E92Vancouver
      June 18, 2013

      Chagren, fair enough. And I see that DC Rainmaker has done a very detailed 2nd review of the Stages Power Meter. Good things come to those who wait! And it was well worth the wait.

  14. Rainmaker
    June 18, 2013

    Hi All-

    As noted, the update to this review has been published here: link to dcrainmaker.com

    In order to keep things somewhat clear for new visitors trying to decide whether or not to purchase the product, I’ve gone ahead and shut off comments for this post. Feel free to post Stages related technical questions/etc on the new/updated post.

    Thanks!
    -Ray

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