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Garmin Fenix In-Depth Review

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[Updated 11/2/2012: Includes 2.90 Fenix Firmware updates that address some of major issues I've touched on.]

The Garmin Fenix was announced this summer as Garmin’s first wristband GPS inclusive foray into hiking/adventure and ultra-running products.  The unit had an advertised battery life of 50 hours, and thus appealed to mountainous hikers and runners alike.  It also fell into the category of ABC watches, which stands for Altimeter, Barometer and Compass.  Some even called it a Suunto Ambit killer.

But, would it really be?  I’ve spent the past three months with the device – day in and day out, getting to know it.  And what I found might surprise you.  So sit back, grab a cup of coffee or twelve, and get ready to get detailed.

Because I want to be transparent about my reviews – Garmin sent me two units to try out. One an early prototype, and one a final production unit.  Everything written here is based on the final production unit.  In the next few weeks I will send both units back to Garmin and then go out and get my own (to be able to support y’all in the comments section down the road). Simple as that. Sorta like hiking in wilderness trails – leave only footprints. If you find my review useful, you can use any of the Amazon or Clever Training links from this page to help support future reviews.

Lastly, at the end of the day keep in mind I’m just like any other regular athlete out there. I write these reviews because I’m inherently a curious person with a technology background, and thus I try and be as complete as I can. But, if I’ve missed something or if you spot something that doesn’t quite jive – just let me know and I’ll be happy to get it all sorted out. Also, because the technology world constantly changes, I try and go back and update these reviews as new features and functionality are added – or if bugs are fixed.

So – with that intro, let’s get into things.

Unboxing:

First up, getting the thing unwrapped.  The unit comes in a vey un-Garmin-like box that actually looks kinda pretty:

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You’ll have to separate the two conjoined twin boxes above, to access the inner box with the watch.  From there, you’ll lift up the top to get at all the accessory stuff below and to take off the watch itself.

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Once that’s done, here’s what all the parts look like spilled out onto a table:

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Inside, we’ve got the manual to the left, the Fenix in the middle, the two power parts up top (adapter and wall connector), and the USB charging cable to the right.

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Looking at the pieces individually, here’s the always thrilling paper quick start manual:

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Then the USB wall charger.  In this photo I’ve connected the geography specific adapter to the USB block.  But depending on where you buy it, you’ll get ones applicable to your country.

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Next is the USB charging clip:

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And finally, the watch itself:

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The USB charging clip snaps onto the back with a reassuring click.  Once this thing is on properly, there’s no chance it’s falling off.  Ever.  You could probably use it as a fishing lure.

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The clip enables you to charge the Fenix, as well as download data.  Now is as good a time as any to note that the Fenix is waterproof to 50m deep, plenty of coverage for your average summertime backcountry skinny dipping.

Size Comparisons:

I picked a few competitive units that were at least semi-related to the functionality of the Fenix.  But ultimately, only one unit comes close in functionality: The Ambit.  The other ones were units I added simply because they had more features than the average bear, or had barometric altimeters.

In the ring we have (from left to right): Garmin FR910XT, Magellan Switch Up, Garmin Fenix, Suunto Ambit, Timex Global Trainer.

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As you can see, they’re all about the same height.  Each unit is a bit bulky, but the Ambit and Fenix are roughly the same, and a bit smaller than the Global Trainer, and less bulky than the Switch Up or FR910XT.

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For those that are curious why I didn’t use the big roller, it’s simply that there wasn’t any need to.

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Running:

I’m going to initially cover running in this section, and then at the very very very end (about 11,000 words from this point), I’ve got a very important section on the Fenix running capabilities.  In fact, if you’re a runner, it’s probably easier to read this whole review backwards.

To start using the Fenix in a running capacity, you’re going to want to change device profiles to the Running profile.  You do this via the Profiles menu.

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Once that’s done, you’re likely going to want to switch a ton of settings, for example, setting the track interval frequency to ‘Maximum’ and going in and turning on ANT+ sensors like the heart rate strap. It’s too bad that Garmin didn’t create a more realistic running device profile initially.

[Updated 11/2/12: The Garmin folks tell me that they have implemented updates to the out-of-the-box profiles, so this issue should be much better now.  I haven't re-tested, but it's good to know that they are quickly making improvements.]

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With all those things set, it’s time to actually run.  But before we do that, we’ll need to turn on the GPS and let it find satellites.  I’ve found satellite search times fairly inconsistent with the Fenix, even when restarting in the same spot.  Sometimes, it’ll pickup satellites in 3-4 seconds.  And yet other times, it’s 1-2 minutes.  Usually I don’t see this much variation.

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I’ve set my data fields to show my pace and time.  In the below photo I was doing comparisons against instant pace and lap pace.  Hence the duplicate nature of the data fields.

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As you run, you can view both textual data as well as graphical data of your run.  In the case of the below, I’ve gone ahead and combined the two together to show me my current heart rate, as well as my HR graph over the course of the run.

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Additionally, the Fenix will produce a map of your run, which you can zoom/pan in and out of by pressing the red button first, and then the up/down arrows depending on whether you want pan or zoom.

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Running functionality with the Fenix is really strictly limited to capturing and displaying data from your run.  Time, distance, lap time, etc…  It’s not a heavily running focused watch in that it doesn’t have features like Virtual Pacer or intervals or workouts.  It does do AutoLap, which is fully distance configurable.

Additionally, you can specify Automatic Starting and Automatic Saving.  I highly recommend the AutoSave functionality if you’re coming over from the Forerunner lineup, as things are a bit different and you might end up forgetting to reset your run afterwards.

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Speaking of being different, there are little quirks that are different than most other running watches.  For example, if you want to set a lap/split marker you’ll need to enable the ‘Hold Keys’ functionality in the menus.  Hold Keys enables you to specify an action when you hold either the up or down key (the right side buttons).

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For example, the ability to have the hold up key start the timer.  While the hold down key could be set to create a lap marker (my configuration).

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The only challenge with this is that you’ve gotta actually hold the button down for two full seconds before a lap marker is set, which may be odd at first.

[Update 10/4/2012: As of the 2.70 firmware released on 10/4/12, you can now configure the bottom left button – back – as a ‘hot key’, which requires a single tap.  Thus, you can now configure that button to act as your lap button.  Much better!]

[Updated 11/2/12: Further configuration has been added to allow single press of up/down to start/stop or lap.]

Once your run is complete, you’ll want to save the Track file.  In Fenix-parlance they’re called “Tracks”, not activities.  Here’s a quick primer for the runners in the crowd:

Track = Activity (your run file, where you went)
Current Track = Current Activity
Save Track = Save/Stop and Reset your current Activity
Start GPS = Find satellites
Stop GPS = Stop looking at the satellites
Activities do NOT automatically start when the GPS finds satellites unless you’ve specified it to
Activities do NOT automatically stop recording when the GPS is turned off, unless you’ve specified it to
Routes = A variant of courses (lots of details about how these aren’t the same later)
Waypoints = A place for you to mark out water fountains and portapotties
Tracks = Your previous activities, saved

As I said above, I’ve got far more written on my thoughts on the running functionality at the end.  Beyond what I’ve highlighted above though, most of the functionality is covered in other sections.

Cycling:

Ultimately, the Fenix isn’t really designed for cycling.  It can be used in it, but if you’re a cyclist, I’d highly encourage you to simply look at other units.  Within the Garmin line, that’d be the Edge series, or, if you’re a triathlete – the FR310XT/FR910XT.

That said, I’m all about trying things out – so off I went!

Outdoor Cycling

I’ve been using it on and off during my road rides, but it’s my recent mountain bike ride that provided the best photos – so we’re going to use that.

When using the unit you have two options for mounting.  You can either wear it on your wrist as normal, or you can pickup the cheap $10 Garmin bicycling mount.  This mount allows you to simply place it on your handlebars in a location that’s easy to view.

In my case, I didn’t take one with me on the trip, so I just went wrist-style.

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One thing you’ll want to do though is switch the profile over to Cycling, so that it shows speeds in MPH (or Kilometers per hour).

Beyond configuration of the cycling profile, there’s not much specific to cycling in the unit.  Like running, there’s no virtual pacer or similiar functionality, nor any of the cycling-specific metrics you might expect if you had a power meter (like TSS/NP/IF).

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Ultimately, from a cycling standpoint, the device is purely for capture and display of data points.  I’ve listed those data fields within the data fields section.

Indoor Cycling

Unfortunately, the Fenix doesn’t make for a very good indoor cycling computer, at least when it comes to gathering speed data.

While the Fenix does pair to an ANT+ speed/cadence sensor, you can only display the cadence portion of that.  And there’s no settings to configure wheel size, nor to only do an inside workout without first enabling the GPS.

[Update 10/2/12: The ‘Indoor’ setting is now available under Setup > System > GPS Mode]

I’m covering navigation in a bunch of different places, so I’m going to focus on the major components here – which is navigating from one point to another, and routes.

First, if navigating on a given course or to a given waypoint, you’ll want to have those created within the Fenix before you get going.  You can certainly add them later (especially in the case of adding the current location) – but adding any other location beyond your own is tedious at best.  Far easier on the computer or phone.

Once the locations are in there, we’ll be able to navigate to and on them.  First, we’re going to start with a route.  In this case, I’m picking a short route around the area near me that I created ahead of time.

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After loading the route, we can view an overview of it, edit it, reverse it, or start it.

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I actually selected to reverse it, since the ending point was closer to me than the starting point.  After that, it was time to get going:

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Once the navigation screen comes up, you’ll see the distance to the next waypoint within the track/route, as well as the estimated time to get there.

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Your assistance in which way to go is driven by a few different data screens, all presenting the same data in multiple methods.  First, you can use the outer ring of the watch, which acts as a compass.  See the two little slash-dots above?  That’s telling me where to go, I simply point myself in the direction of the dots.

Second, is to use a full-blown compass view, which can also be shown with degrees instead of just textual directions:

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Once I reach that waypoint, it’ll automatically switch to the next waypoint in the track/route.

As noted earlier, you can press the red button while on the map screen to engage zooming and panning:

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In the case of just navigating to a single waypoint (not part of the track), the story is much the same.  After selecting to navigate to it, I follow the same type of directions.

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The only notable thing is that once you reach the waypoint in question, there isn’t any sort of ‘you are here’ notification.  It’s merely that the display will show a single-digit distance number – in my case about 9 feet left was as close to it as I could get before it would change directions on me.

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The Fenix understands point to point navigation, but not any form of routable navigation.  For example, take the below photo (note the two slash marks at the top of the watch).  My waypoint (a geocache) is actually directly on the other side of the river.  In the mind of the Fenix, my fastest path is to walk on water, whereas in reality, I have to walk over that bridge to the right, and then back around again.

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In the cases of tracks or routes, these would ideally include the additional routing information, so you wouldn’t have to swim.  But in straight waypoint situations – it’s just point to point.

Additionally, in situations where you want to reverse course, you’ll use the TracBack feature, which effectively inverts the course for you instantly, and gets you back to the same place you started – via the same method you came.  This is ideal for trails with out and back routes, but probably less ideal for any other circumstances that may involve a loop or where the stating point is significantly closer than going all the way back.

Garmin Connect Courses:

I wanted to call this out specifically, because of the number of fitness/runner focused folks that read these reviews.  The below feature was added on 10/4/12 as part of firmware version 2.70.

Within Garmin Connect, you can both create a course, as well as download other courses.  First, course creation.  Courses allow you to create what will ultimately be Tracks on the Fenix.

To create a course, we’ll navigate to the courses creation editor within Garmin Connect by going to Plan > Courses > Create Course.

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Then you’ll simply drag the route along, just like you would on other popular fitness map creation sites.  As you do that, it’ll give you your route totals on the sidebar, as well as elevation along the bottom.

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Once completed, it’ll look something like this:

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Next, you’ll want to ensure you save the course by pressing the Save button.  Once you do that, a new set of controls will open up, including the ‘Send to Device’ option.

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From here, you’ll be able to select the Garmin Fenix.  Note that you’ll need to have Garmin Communicator installed.

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Once you press ‘Send Course’, it’ll shoot it right over.

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At first, it didn’t send it over and gave an error.  I unplugged the USB cable and tried again – so give that a shot if you run into any issues.

Once your course is on your Fenix, it’ll show up within the Tracks area of the unit.  In fact, when you first turn it on after importing a course, you’ll see it’ll say that it’s first importing the courses into the tracks.

Mapping:

The Fenix includes a very basic map set within it – as in, identify the country map set.  You can see a few examples below, showing the country of Norway:

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Ultimately, this information isn’t really useful at all, as I usually know which country I’m in.

Today, Garmin hasn’t made available any further mapping functionality within the Fenix.  I suspect in due time they certainly will as part of an upsell.

However, there are some ways around that lack of formal solution in the meantime.  You can use some of the Garmin tools to download various smaller maps onto the Fenix.  Unfortunately, the Fenix only has about 20MB of free memory, so space is pretty tight for maps that might otherwise run GB’s in size.

There’s more information on how to do this via this post here.

Geocaching:

The Fenix supports geocaching through one of two methods.  The first is by downloading caches via their Opencaching site straight to the Fenix.  It uses the Garmin Communicator plugin to place the caches on the device.  It works really well from a sync standpoint.

First, you go ahead and search for Caches in your nearby area:

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You can see them above on the screen with the little marker bubbles.  I zoomed into one a few blocks away:

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From there I can choose what to download to the Fenix.  When I click to download the geocache, I get a prompted list of options:

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After that, the cache is located on my device for looking at later on.  I can see all the caches on my device at any time by using the menus at the top.

Now that we’ve got them on my device, we’ll head outdoors.

The first thing you’ll notice is that anytime you’re in the map view you’ll see the geocaches on the screen (even in activities such as running).  I noticed this on one of my runs the other day when I realized I was running right by one.

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With that, it’s time to navigate to one.  In my case, I picked one roughly half a mile away.  To do so, you’ll dive into the GPS Tools option within the watch.  The GPS Tools is effectively the ‘leftover box’ when it comes to features.  All of them are cool features, it’s just that it seems they couldn’t put them into a different category in the menus.  When in doubt, look in the ‘GPS Tools’ category.

From there, I’ll scroll down past ‘Man Overboard’, past ‘Sighting’, and past a bunch of other things to find ‘Geocaches’.

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Within that, I can select a cache.  I can also search for a given cache (ideal if you have a lot of them).

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Once selected, I’m off to the races.  Like everything else on the watch, you don’t have to record a track if you just want to navigate.  Though, I always like recording tracks.

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At this point, you navigate like normal as described in the routing/navigating section.

Eventually, you’ll be able to reach your location and find the specific cache.  In my case however, the cache I choose was actually behind a locked gate.  On certain days/hours you can go in, but this was not one of those times/days.

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In addition to manual caches, you can can also utilize the Garmin Chirp (I’ve talked about that in more depth here).  You’ll go into the menu and turn on the ability to auto-search for Chirps.

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Once that’s enabled, and it finds a Chirp nearby, it’ll automatically notify you, and provide any details that were included within the electronic Chirp.

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In my case though, on both Chirps I have, finding a Chirp was akin to killing the Fenix.  Chirp, Chirp, dead.  Within seconds of finding the Chirps (and those photos above), the unit would hard power off.  The only way to turn it back on was to hold down the power button for 30 seconds, while connecting to a USB power cable.

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Garmin isn’t quite clear on why this is happening, though it’s happening on two different Chirps obtained 1+ years apart, with two different Fenix units.

[Update: As of 10/4/2012, I’ve been told my Chirp-Chirp-Dead issue has been fixed in just released 2.70 firmware update]

Hunting/Fishing/Sunset/Sunrise Modes & Information:

Many of the outdoor Garmin units (non-fitness) include a basic and simple table of hunting and fishing times, as well as sunset/sunrise times.

First, we’ll start with hunting and fishing.  These times are based on the Solunar Theory (read up on it here, it’s actually interesting) which essentially states that the ability for you to increase your catch is tied to factors such as the sun, moon and tidal patterns.  By understanding those factors you can develop patterns – just like moon phases – that can be easily followed.

The Fenix simply displays those patterns in the form of recommendations.  For example, here’s a few days worth of hunting and fishing recommendations.  You can scroll up/down to change the day.

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Meanwhile, on Sunrise/Sunset, the unit will display the information in much the same way – allowing you to easily scroll up/down to change the day and see yesterday/tomorrow, etc…

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This is handy when you’re out hiking and want to know how much longer you have till the lights turn out.

Sensors and Capabilities

Internal Sensors – Barometric Altimeter:

The unit includes a barometric altimeter, which generally enables you to get better elevation and altitude information.  Many GPS units utilize only GPS based altimeters, which aren’t terribly reliable.  Though, in recent years most sites now include elevation correction afterwards – so if you aren’t looking at the data on the watch during the activity it tends not to matter much.

But for hiking and mountain focused activities, accurate elevation is fairly important, hence the inclusion of the barometric altimeter.

The altimeter is accessible through a slew of data fields, including your current elevation as well as ascent and descent.  You’ll want to check out the data fields chart later on to get the full listing of fields.

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You can see that above I can display both the value, as well as the elevation graph showing you where I’ve been (not where I’m going).

In addition, you can customize how the data is gathered and what is displayed.  First, if you’ve got a known elevation value, you can override the unit and use that to calibrate it.

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Then, you can display the Barometric Plot as: Variable, Fixed, or Ambient pressure

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And for the elevation plot, you can choose to display it with a baseline of either time or distance.

I’ve been doing some elevation tests.  They tend to fall into one of two camps: Tests against other units and tests against itself.

In the first case (against other units), I present a run from the other night.  In this case, it includes a fair bit of ups and downs.  I ensured that when I departed, each unit displayed within two feet of each other (the Ambit two feet higher), and then I ensured to return to the same spot once complete.  The goal here to ensure that both units matched elevation gains and losses.  The course was not an out and back however.  The Fenix has firmware 2.60 (latest), and the Ambit had 1.8 (also latest).

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In the above case, the Fenix saw 279ft of Elevation Gain, while the Ambit saw 180ft of elevation gain.  The Fenix saw 285 feet of elevation loss, while the Ambit saw 194ft.  Interestingly, I noticed the Ambit ended about 10 feet lower than it started.  This may have been due to the manual calibration required at the beginning.  The Ambit said it started at 49 feet, and then said it ended at 39 feet.  The Fenix meanwhile said 120 (start) and 123 (end).  What’s most interesting to me about this is that I very clearly ensured that both were within three feet of each other at the start (50 feet).  Yet, afterwards, the data looks entirely different on Fenix.

For those curious, using Garmin Connect’s elevation correction option, it says the following:

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In the second case (tests against itself), there’s a ride from this past weekend.  In this case, I was ensuring that after going up quite a distance, and back down, with variable temperature changes – that it came back (again) to the same place.  Surprisingly, it came almost spot-on back 4,994ft (start) to 4,999ft (ending).  However, the ascent/descent is a bit different by about 55 feet.

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At this point, it appears to me the data from the production units is in the ballpark, but I’m not yet convinced how precise that ballpark is.  However, I’d say the same for the Ambit too.  For the mountain biking above – I actually had an Ambit with me, but I couldn’t get it to correctly stay calibrated on the right altitude (it wanted to be 1,500ft lower).  Thus I’m not terribly happy with the ‘it just works’ factor of either yet.

Earlier this summer I had published some data from an early beta unit – which many folks spent considerable time analyzing.  It was never 100% clear which unit (Fenix or Ambit) was most accurate in that case.  However, that test is somewhat irrelevant now for a bunch of reasons.  First is that the Fenix actually had a hardware modification after this unit specifically to address altitude issues.  And second, is that’s been about 20+ beta firmware revisions later.

As we head into the winter, I’m looking forward to getting up into the Alps and getting some solid elevation data with well marked altitude points (the ski areas are good about that).

Internal Sensors – Magnetic Compass:

The Fenix includes a magnetic compass, which means that it doesn’t depend on GPS nor active travel to tell you which way you are pointing.

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In order to illustrate this, video is easiest.  First, I’ll rotate the unit on its axis, which shows that it will change which direction it’s pointing – without me changing location.  Then as I walk forward, you can see the compass continues to stay the course, until I make a turn.

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You can calibrate the compass manually should you wish to.  However, in my tests – that’s been nearly impossible.  The unit walks you through a series of steps designed to first rotate, then roll, then flip the unit.  If you do any of the steps wrong, it’ll beep at you and have you start over:

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However, despite attempting numerous times I was unable to get the undocumented procedure to recalibrate correctly.  In comparison, the Suunto Ambit calibration is far easier and more intuitive (includes directional arrows).  The Fenix calibration includes no arrows, or even any help in the manual either.

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In addition to calibration, you can also specify how to display the data, which includes the following options:

Letters/Degrees, Letters/Mils, Degrees, Mils

Further, you can specify whether or not you want to use North Reference as True, Magnetic or Grid.  And, for those that need it, you can also override the magnetic variation and specify a custom value:

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I talk to more data display options a bit later as well.

Internal Sensors – Temperature:

The Fenix can record temperature using its internal sensor, in addition to using the external temperature sensor, Tempe, which I’ll talk about in a second.  The internal sensor is useful if you’re looking to get a rough approximation of temperature data, but due to the closeness with the skin, it’s likely that affects the temperature data a small bit.

Further, the internal temperature sensor updates at a less frequent interval than the external sensor, thus, you don’t tend to see the trending as cleanly.

In order to depict both items, I decided that the freezer would be best.  In this case, I have two Fenix units.  One recording temperature using the Tempe external pod, and the other Fenix was recording internal temperature. I stuck the Tempe pod, and the one with the internal recording enabled both into the freezer at the same time, and on top of a spaghetti box so that no unit was touching the bare freezer surface.  Then I let them do their thing for about 40 minutes to stabilize.  Interestingly, the Tempe unit recorded a lower temperature than the non-Tempe unit.

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Now, I had planned to have two cool charts – but what I’m seeing is that if I don’t have a satellite lock, then I don’t actually get any data.  It’ll start the timer/recording, but not write anything (which explains what I saw on the airplane too).  That said, the little temperature chart tells the story.

[Updated 11/2/12: The Garmin folks tell me that they have fixed this issue.]

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As you can see, the Tempe did seem to drop a bit quicker than the one without it, and the same goes for when I took it back out again.  But I don’t think the real value here is actually how fast it responds.  Instead, I think the value is in the fact that you can remove the pod from yourself.

External Sensor – Tempe (wireless temperature):

I think at times, I may be more excited about the ANT+ Tempe temperature pod than I am about Fenix.  This little temperature pod enables a host of interesting scenarios, of which the Fenix watch only opens up a small number of them.  By default, the Fenix can connect to it and gather temperature readings at an interval of once per second.

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The unit can be affixed to your shoe using the included mount, though, it’s not terribly clear how much that impacts temperature readings.

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Instead, you could clip it further away from your body, such as the back of a backpack – sufficient distance I’d think.

Note that on the Fenix, you can selectively choose to display temperature readings in either Celsius or Fahrenheit.  I say selectively, because you can choose to display distance in a different format.  Kinda a cool option.

The Tempe pod fits the same footpod mount that both the Garmin Chirp and other ANT+ running footpods have.  It also uses a standard CR2032 battery.

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With that battery, the unit will get about a year of life on it.  After which, you’ll need to plunk out the $3-5 for a new battery, typically available at your drugstore or grocery store.  Or online for a heck of a lot cheaper.

When I look at scenarios that could be opened up here, the Tempe sensor supports the ability to store temperature data for prolonged periods of time.  It can store min/max data for up to a year, and do 20-minute interval temperature data for up to two weeks at a time.  For example, you could attach it out in the wilderness and take temperature readings every few weeks (again, not with today’s firmware, but down the road):

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Today, neither scenario is supported by Fenix, but it’s something that could be down the road.  It’d be sweet to be able to just leave a few of these around and pick up the data when your watch goes nearby.  However, while the Fenix doesn’t support it, there’s nothing stopping an app developer from writing a quick app to pick up the data, as the Tempe is merely an ANT+ device that follows the temperature device profile standards.  So anyone could leverage it in the same way you can interact with other ANT+ devices, such as an app with a Wahoo iPhone adapter.

The price of the Tempe sensor is actually pretty reasonable, at about $30.

Data Fields:

The Fenix supports an absolute ton of data fields and even more customization.  I’d go as far as saying it’s the most customizable watch Garmin’s ever made.

When selecting data fields, you’ve got a few things to keep in mind.  First, you’ve got data pages.  Data pages contain data fields.  A page is merely a single screen on a Garmin, which can contain upwards of three data fields.  There is no limit of data pages that I can seem to find (really cool).

For data fields, there’s a limitation of three fields per page.  Further, some fields can be shown in graphical format, while other fields are more textual based.

For example, here’s a simple three-field graphical format:

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And then, a two fielder:

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And finally, the single field display:

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But then we have the graphical formats.  For example, temperature:

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Pretty cool, huh?

Of the graphical fields, you have the following options:

Cadence, Heart Rate, Map, Compass, Temperature, Barometer, and Altimeter.

And, for the textual fields, you’ve got the following table.  Now, these are broken out in the same format they are presented within the unit.  Some of them seem like they could be better grouped. For example, why is ‘Lap Time’ only considered a fitness field and not a time field?  Nonetheless, it’s cool to have so much flexibility, especially across segments (like aviation).  Oh, and click to zoom and see it bigger.  And yes, I typed this all out manually.

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[Updated 11/2/12: The Garmin team tells me that have since added a couple additional fields: HR %MAX, AVG HR %, LAP HR %, and STEPS.]

In addition to specifying the data fields, you can customize how each data unit displays from a formatting standpoint.  Meaning, do you want speed to be in Miles per Hour (MPH) or Kilometers per Hour (KPH)?  Or, do you want speed displayed in metric, but temperature displayed in Fahrenheit?  Yup, all quite customizable.  Really cool little feature when you look at the flexibility of it.  For example, for me living in France – having the distance in kilometers is useful – but I like the temperature still displayed in Fahrenheit as opposed to Celsius.

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Finally note that you can create unique data pages with data fields per profiles, and, you can have (seemingly) unlimited profiles, and create your own profiles.  Which, is a nice segue into that category…

Device Profiles:

Profiles are ways to create buckets for all your watch settings.  For example, you’d have separate settings while running than you would while geocaching.  You might have different data fields, or even different settings for data recording.

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Out of the box, the Fenix comes with the following device profiles:

Running, Cycling, Geocaching, Fishing, Sailing, Aviation, Mountaineering.

However, you can customize any given profile, or create your own.  To start, I’ll cover customizing an existing one.  In this case, I’m choosing the Running Profile.  In doing so I simply select it to activate it.  Any changes I make from there on out apply to that profile:

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Next, I’m going to go in and modify the recording type to be GPX/FIT – which will ensure that I spit out both a .FIT file and a .GPX file for every running activity:

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This change is now applicable for the running profile.  I could go from here and modify many other settings within the watch for this profile – most commonly the data fields/pages I discussed in the previous section.

In addition to modifying a device profile, I can also go in and create a new one.  In my case, I decided to create the Cowtipping profile.

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Once I’ve created the profile, I can then assign settings as specified above.  All pretty straight forward.

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In fact, the device profiles are just really big XML files.  I’d expect that in time we’ll see folks simply trading the XML files around with the ‘perfect’ settings for a given activity type (i.e. data fields specified, etc…).

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Garmin themselves could go a step further and use this flexibility to allow you to create device profiles (with data screens/pages/settings) online in something like Garmin Connect and then simply push the XML file to your device.  That’d be something I’ve been asking for, for years. Oh, and Timex does this today.

Day to day watch:

The first (and probably coolest) day to day feature is the multiple time zone option.  This enables you to simply hit one button and view the time across any number of countries.  In my case, I decided to add the cities I’m travelling to over the next three weeks.  Though, in retrospect, turns out two of them are in the same time zone as me.  Go figure.

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You can customize this through the ‘Clock’ page, and then the Alternate Time Zones option.

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You do have to know which time zones your cities are in, but it’ll take care of the time zone to offset portion.

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As is common with most GPS units, the Fenix will update the displayed time based on your time zone if you turn on the GPS.  However, what I did not expect is that it will do this mid-activity as well, which is kinda cool.  Meaning, if you cross over time zones while recording, it’ll show you the correct time zone based on exactly where you are.  In other words, don’t re-adjust your watch manually when you fly somewhere – just let it take care of itself after enabling the GPS.

The Fenix also enables you to create multiple alarms via the same ‘Clock’ submenu.

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The alarms can be configured for a given time of day, type of alerting (tone or vibration, or both), as well as whether it will be daily or weekdays only, or just once.

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Within the same ‘Clock’ submenu is also the Stopwatch and basic Timer.  The Time enables you to also specify the notification method (Tone/Alert) as well.

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Fenix includes a fairly bright backlight, one bright enough that there’s actually an option to use it as a flashlight within the menu for holding down a button (Hold Keys).

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The unit allows you to specify a backlight illumination time of: 15 seconds, 30 seconds, 1 minute, 2 minutes, or ‘Always’.  Always simply means that once you turn on the light with the upper left button, it’ll stay on until you press it again.

In addition, you can adjust the brightness level in 10% increments.  The default is 30% – and I thought that was substantially bright.  From there, it just gets crazy brighter.

And finally, you can modify the contrast in the same method as well.

Battery Life:

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The Garmin Fenix lists an active battery life of 50 hours.  But does it actually achieve it?

Battery life is one of those things that’s about as easy and enjoyable to measure as stepping on spit out chewing gum on the sidewalk.  The challenge is, it’s actually extremely difficult to measure due to the significant number of variables – especially with a watch as complex as the Fenix.

For the last 2+ months I’ve been trying to get a solid handle on battery life with the Fenix, and quite frankly – I can’t.  Not for lack of trying.  Some days I manage to really go the distance – close to 24+ hours in continuous tracking.  Yet other days, I can barely get 8 hours of tracking.  Virtually every day I’m trying different battery life experiments, and if there’s a clear-cut pattern – it’s not terribly obvious to me.

Over those two months I’ve averaged taking international flights from the US to Europe (or the opposite direction) at least once every other week.  In doing so, I’ve had a lot of time to try and figure out battery life on the unit for longer tracking periods.  But, I’ve also found it highly variable – even when using the exact same settings each time.

Ultimately, the challenge is there are just so many settings on Fenix that impact battery life, for example, here’s a handful:

- Tracking mode: Regular or UltraTrac
– Recording Interval Setting: From 1 second to far less frequent
– Internal Sensors used: Altimeter, Barometer, Compass
– Internal Sensor frequency type: On Demand, or Always
– External Sensors used: Tempe, Heart Rate, Cycling Speed/Cadence
– GPS enablement or disablement
– Visibility of satellites seems to have an impact as well.

And that’s not to mention the more obvious things like backlight, use of buttons/display, etc… That all said, here’s a few data points to ponder.

The longest I’ve been able to get the watch to go while in GPS tracking mode was just under 20 hours.  With that, I had the default UltraTrac settings enabled, which specify on-demand internal sensor usage, GPS data points updating every minute on the display, and other ANT+ sensors types updating constantly (HR and Tempe).  This would be in line with that you’d want as an ultra runner, as any less frequency on data sensors like heart rate would be pretty useless.

I achieved this on a trip last week from Kananaskis, Alberta to Calgary, to Chicago, to Paris, and to my home.  All in, that trip included only 326 data points recorded, despite continuous HR and temperature streaming that should have recorded, but often didn’t.  No doubt the GPS recordings are wonky in the air, but I’m fine with that.  It’s the other readings that are problematic.

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Yet, on shorter trips in regular tracking mode (frequency 1-second), I’m barely getting 8 hours of tracking – far less than most of the Garmin Forerunner or Edge lineup.  From all I can gather, this is purely from having just the right combination of settings.

Ultimately, I’d like to see Garmin publish a clear-cut table of battery life in the same way that Polar has for their RCX3 around memory usage.  Polar’s chart is beautiful in that breaks down how each accessory or setting impacts usage capacity.  It’s so simple to understand.  And while I realize that this may be difficult for Garmin due to the complexities I outlined above, I think it’s only reasonable that if they list a 55 hour battery life – they explain the tradeoffs we have to make to actually get that battery life.

Smartphone Connectivity (BaseCamp App):

In mid-September, Garmin released their Fenix companion app Basecamp onto the Apple App Store.  The app is designed to download tracks from your Fenix, via Bluetooth Smart.  As such, the app requires that you have the iPhone 4s or higher (iPhone 4s or iPhone 5), as that’s the only Apple phone that includes Bluetooth 4.0.  You could also utilize one of the newer iPads as well, as those share Bluetooth 4.0 functionality.

In order to grab data from your Fenix, you’ll need to navigate in the Fenix menu to Sharing (press the Red Button, then scroll down to ‘Share Data’, then select ‘Basecamp’).  Once you’ve done so, it’ll show this little symbol, which means it’s hanging out ready to talk to a Bluetooth 4.0 device:

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Now, on your iPhone, launch the free Basecamp app.  When you do so, you’ll see an option to search for Garmin Fenix devices.  Go ahead and and press this button.

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It’ll find your Fenix, and you can go ahead and connect to it.  Once you’ve done that, you’ll see a listing of all completed activities/tracks on that Fenix device:

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From here you can open up one of your activities and view basic information about it:

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And you can dive into a small handful of charts and graphs as well:

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If you had HR enabled on an activity, you’ll see that too.

In addition to viewing your tracks, you can also create waypoints.  This is pretty cool in that it’s far easier to do on the phone than on the unit itself (in fact, it’s actually even easier to do on the phone than on the Basecamp app).  That’s because the phone pulls down Google Maps data (well, Apple Maps data on iOS6), which means that you can actually see where you’re placing the marker.

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Within the app, you can then specify a name and description, as well as choose from what has to be hundreds of icons.

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After that, it’s automatically sent to the Fenix watch, where you can easily navigate to it.

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However, from here, that’s about it in the App.  As of today, you can’t upload this data anywhere, or do anything else with it.  You can modify the name of the activity, and that’s updated on the Garmin Fenix – which is actually kinda useful, because by default the Garmin Fenix file names have these god-awful long date/timestamp name with spaces and colons, which is made even worse trying to modify on the Fenix itself.  Using your phone to modify them is a million times easier.

Ultimately though, I’d like to be able to upload data to Garmin Connect from here (or gasp, something like Strava or other service), as well as search for courses and routes on Garmin Connect and download it to the unit.

No doubt, this is just a first release of the app, and as such, there’s probably a lot of functionality planned.

One little FYI for those users that bought their Fenix units somewhat recently and may be having crashing issues when trying to scan for the watch within the App (as of October 2nd, 2012).  The app will currently crash if there’s any files created on there prior to firmware version 2.60 (which was also mid-September).  Hence why my screenshot above is all files since then.  Kinda a pain in the butt and a bit sloppy, but the easy fix is to simply remove the .FIT files while plugged into the computer (just move them somewhere else).  Thanks to this Garmin Forum post for figuring it out.  Garmin let me know that there is a fix in the approval queue from Apple – but I haven’t quite yet seen it show up as an available update.

[Updated 11/2/12: The app update has now been released.]

Sharing data with other Fenix units wirelessly:

In addition to viewing your tracks with the phone app, and uploading them to your computer – you can also share between two Fenix users.  The unit allows you to specify routes, tracks, waypoints and geocaches as valid transferrable activities.

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You’ll go into the ‘Share Data’ option within the Fenix, and then tell it you’re sharing between two Fenix units.  Once there, you’ll set each Fenix to their appropriate role (giver, or receiver).  Following which, what type of information you’re sharing.

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After which, on the sending unit you’ll specify what you’re sending:

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From there, the two units will copulate and life will be grand.

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Well, mostly grand.  I’ve found that even while next to each other, it only seems to succeed about 50% of the time for me.  It does have an auto-retry mechanism built-in, which might be due to the lackluster performance of the transmission.  So the 50% does account for the fact that half of the time it still ultimately fails.

Nonetheless, it’s a cool feature – and the flexibility is pretty neat when you consider tying it in with creating waypoints on the phone.  This would allow one person to create it on the phone, and then quickly share it with others.

Software and Uploading:

I’m going to walk through how to get the data off your watch, and then some of the options you have once you decide which program you’re going to use.

Connecting to computer:

Once you’re ready to upload you’ll go ahead and connect the device to your computer.  There’s really not much to hose up here.  USB cable goes into your computer, and the other end clips onto the Fenix.  Just ensure it’s actually clipped flush against the back of the unit (it’ll be obvious if it isn’t).

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Now, interestingly, there’s actually two modes here.  One is a generic mass storage device mode – and the other is a mode that enumerates the device as a Garmin unit.  By default, it’s in Mass Storage mode, which is what you’ll use day to day – so I see little reason to stick into ‘Garmin’ mode for normal use.  These settings are accessed via the Setup > System > USB Mode menu.  The Garmin mode is primarily there for updating the firmware.

Garmin Basecamp:

Basecamp will likely be your primary venue to get data off of the watch and onto your computer.

Basecamp is Garmin’s one-stop shop application for handhelds and any device that has anything to do with mapping.  It’s historically been for devices like the Oregon and Rino series, but it’s flirted with the Edge 800 (allowing you to put Birdseye imagery onto it).

Ultimately, Basecamp is where you manage routes, waypoints, tracks, and Garmin Adventures.

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After connecting your Garmin Fenix, you’ll see it listed on the sidebar of Basecamp:

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From there, you can open up a given track or route on the left side under the Fenix:

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In doing so, you can then dive into details about that track file.  This includes individual track points, as well as graphs for heart rate, speed and other ANT+ properties:

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The challenge with Basecamp though continues to be the lack of mapping provided in it, it only provides a ‘basemap’, which has essentially no useful road/mapping data.  For example, it’ll provide exactly one road across all of the city I live in (Paris).

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Ok, so there’s three roads.  Four if you count the split.

Where this becomes problematic though is planning.  See, you use Basecamp to create Waypoints, plan routes, and see information about tracks.  Try doing that on the above map.

So, you’ve got to purchase a map – generally about a $100 per area/region.

So, I did that and now it’s time to dig into creating some waypoints.

To do so, I click the waypoint button in the task bar, and then drop a waypoint anywhere I’d like.  This is automatically synchronized to the Garmin Fenix.

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I create a route in much the same way, merely linking together points along a track:

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You’ll notice it’ll automatically stick to trails/paths versus going onto the highway of sorts that’s along the river.

From here I can name these routes and then access them later from the Fenix to follow.

It should be noted that waypoints are probably the most important piece here, as it allows you to create icon-specific and named items on your maps that will later show up at all times on the Fenix.  For example, if I was out in the trails I could mark a portapotty or water stop, and then later edit that on Basecamp and mark it as such.  Same goes for boat rides:

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Garmin Adventures:

Garmin Adventures is new to the Garmin family.  This site/service enables you to take your GPS tracks and merge them with photos.  There have been many entrants to this category in the past, some successful – most not.  The reason for most failed attempts was that they didn’t have the GPS integration aspect figured out.  The picture piece is easy, but getting the GPS data off of hundreds of different unknown devices is where it gets tricky for software developers.

In Garmin’s case, they’re using Basecamp to drive that integration.  I first start with taking a given activity in my Basecamp listing (this is all done within Basecamp).  In my case, I’m going to choose a ride from last week up in the Canadian mountains:

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Then on the next page, I added a bunch of photos from the ride to it:

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I then added some descriptive information to it, and clicked Finish:

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From there, you can go ahead and publish them to the whole world wide web:

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[Update: Previously, I had problems publishing.  However, since my initial review Garmin found and resolved a backend issues that in turn resolved my issue.  I’ve updated the next little bit accordingly.]

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Once it finishes publishing, you’ll notice you’ve gained the ability to archive it – which hides it from view.

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From here, you can browse the whole ride online (right click the name of the adventure in the sidebar of Garmin Basecamp, and select to view online).  Because it’s easier to allow you to view mine online, I’ve published it here.

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In my case, the timeline isn’t quite perfectly lined up – perhaps off by about 15 minutes.  This speaks to some of my comments around aligning timestamps being fairly messy without some sort of ‘preview’ feature.

Nonetheless, it’s actually pretty cool once published, and merges together the different data streams well.

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On a side note, you can also geotag photos in the application (Basecamp).  I decided to try this instead, figuring at least I’d get somewhere.  To start, you go ahead and select a given activity/track.

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Then I’m prompted for the location of all the photos.  To make life easy, I placed them all in a single folder.

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From there I’m presented with a dialog box to allow me to shift the photos based on a known time variance.  For example, let’s say my camera was still on East Coast time, and the GPS is in Mountain time.  I’d shift by two hours.  In my case, I left things as-is and hoped for the best.

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Turns out, taking my chances wasn’t such a good option:

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So, I went back and started fidgeting with it.  With other programs I’ve used to do this in the past, they typically show the photos on a timeline, with the timeline in turn overlaid against the GPS track.  Thus, at least you’re making an educated guess.  At this point, there’s no education involved.

After messing around for 15 minutes trying to figure out, I gave up on my Canadian ride.  I suspect a combination of time zones and time shifting was contributing.  I did the math manually, and everything was still failing.

So I did something simpler – with a run in the same time zone as me, my laptop, my camera, and everything else.  It still required a 6 hours adjustment, but at least it worked:

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In doing so, I got all my Paris Run photos into the app – though, all that did was overlay them around the city.  Which, is kinda cool:

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Ultimately, you’d want to take these images and plunk them down into one of your Garmin Adventures.

Garmin Connect:

Garmin Connect is Garmin’s fitness focused web platform, which many years ago was Motionbased.com before being bought out.  Today, the platform handles a mind-bogglingly high 60,000+ activities a day.  Every time someone swims/bikes/runs with a Garmin device, it’s likely going to end up here.

However, within Garmin Connect your Fenix integration options are fairly limited.  Garmin Connect leverages the Garmin Communicator browser plug-in to access your Fenix device.  Alternatively, you can always just manually upload files one at a time by selecting them.

But, for the purposes of this, we’ll go with the plugin.  After connecting your device, you’ll go within the Garmin Connect platform and select upload in the upper right corner.  Upon doing so, the Communicator Plugin will connect to the Fenix device and offer you two choices:

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Ok, so technically there are three choices if you include manual upload – but we won’t.  That option just allows you to pick a specific file and upload it.

Instead, I’m going with automagic upload and selecting ‘Upload All New Activities’.

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Once it’s done, you’ll have a listing of all new activities that you haven’t previously uploaded or processed:

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I’m going to go ahead and dive into a run from last night, to show you around a bit.  To do so, you’ll click either ‘View details’ or ‘Existing’.  Once you do that, you’ll be brought to the below page.  Note that I’ve changed the name of the run, and the type.  Interestingly, Garmin Connect does not correctly parse the activity type (Running/Cycling/etc) from the Fenix.  Likely though, the fault is on Fenix for not correctly providing that.  I suspect that has to do with the Fenix Device Profiles being semi-nonstandard (meaning, I can create a Cowtipping profile).  That said, for running and cycling, they just need to make that work.

[Updated 11/2/12: The Garmin folks tell me that they have implemented updates to the out-of-the-box profiles for running and cycling whereby you can manually change the setting under Setup>Fitness>FIT Activity]

At any rate, the below:

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Within the detail view, you can see the the summary information displayed on the left side, while the main sensor data (elevation/heart rate/temperature) are displayed along the right side (along with pace, via the timing chart).  Additionally, on the left side you’ll see I had AutoLap enabled, so it created a lap every mile.

You can see another bug though, where it shows ‘Average speed’ instead of ‘Pace’ for my laps – despite everything else being in pace.  Additionally, the device shows as ‘Unknown’, as opposed to “Fenix’.  Further, since the elevation data is barometric based, Garmin Connect should automatically disable elevation corrections – but as you can see, it doesn’t.  You don’t even want me to start on what things look like if you upload the .TCX file instead of the .FIT file (it’s uglier).

[Updated 11/2/12: Again, Garmin says this is all now addressed if using the correct FIT Activity.]

Moving beyond the bugs, within Garmin Connect I can expand out any of those graphs and get a closer look at them, as well as zoom in on the data:

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If you go ahead and change tabs to the Splits tab, you can see all of your split data, with various stats for each of your splits (laps).  Things like elevation gain, heart rate, pace and others.

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Garmin Connect as a platform is fairly large.  Though, most of the higher end analysis you may want to do as a runner or cyclist tends to fall to other platforms like TrainingPeaks or Strava.  But for the mainstream, Garmin Connect does offer a pretty good starting point.  If only Fenix integration with it was better.

General thoughts on the Garmin software platforms:

At present, the Fenix platform integration is confusing as hell.  Coming from the running side, I’m used to hanging out in Garmin Connect.  But now I’ve got Basecamp to play with (I’ve used that occasionally with my Edge 800).  Plus, there’s Garmin Adventures, and don’t forget Opencaching.com too.  Really, way too many different properties.

In my mind, they need to pull it all under one roof (except Opencaching, which I’ll get to a second).   All three (GC/Basecamp/GA) are all cool in their own right, and no doubt, serve different purposes.  But ultimately, it’s confusing, and they aren’t leveraging the best aspects of each product.  Separate silos unto themselves.

For example, on Garmin Connect I can use the route creator to plan my routes and then send them to almost all Garmin devices (except Fenix Added on 10/4/12).  It’s cool, it leverages the strengths of both Google and Bing maps, and allows me to actually see what I’m routing around.  Yet the Fenix – arguably the one watch that really needs this functionality the most is stuck with base maps less detailed than Christopher Columbus had.  Yet the kicker is, I can do the route creation on the iPhone with real maps and send it back down to the Fenix – again, a great feature, but why can’t I have feature parity in Basecamp?

Well, the answer is because Garmin wants to make money off of maps – which is fine and dandy.  But when I’m paying $400+ for a device for route/waypoint creation, you can at least allow the basic tools to see more than four roads in the entire city.  Remember, this is what the Basecamp’s base mapset looks like for Paris (or any other city in the world):

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And here’s what it looks like when I switch to the paid version ($90) – same exact view, just switched on that map set:

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And of course, I can zoom in a ton more:

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Oh, here’s what the free Garmin Connect version looks like (with mapping provider choice, and satellite imagery).  And the free iPhone Basecamp app as well offers equivalent parity.

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I don’t have a problem with charging for maps, but I think that if both your web property (Garmin Connect & Garmin Adventures) and the free iPhone app provide Google Mapping (satellite and street maps), then Basecamp should at least allow you to view and plan your activities with something visually useful.  Yes, it costs Garmin money for Google Maps API Calls, but nowhere near what it costs them for API calls on the web platform and those 60,000 activities a day.

Then we’ve got Garmin Adventures.  Cool idea – take your tracks and merge them with photos.  Love it. But it requires Basecamp to get kick started.  And, now to think about it – far more people likely take photos while out riding their bikes, why isn’t this in/on/integrated with Garmin Connect?

There’s no doubt a need for a thick client like Basecamp, and this isn’t a slight to the Basecamp team, as I think the app is cool.  But it should fully integrate with Garmin Connect.  At present there’s more feature gaps between the two products than a microplane grater (the big kind that makes the chocolate curls).  Why can’t I send activities to Garmin Connect but I can to Garmin Adventures?  And why can’t I pull from Garmin Connect?  Why are maps freely available for planning in one but not the other? I can create courses on a usable map for a $135 FR305 watch, but not a $400 watch?  And I can upload data from the $89 FR60/FR70 to a web platform, but again, not the most expensive watch makes?

This is the area that just boggles my mind.  At some point someone in Garmin needs to realize that Garmin Connect IS their gold mine.  It’s the one asset that nobody else has: A massive growing database of 60,000+ new runs/bikes/hikes/walks/everything’s per day.  Nobody has that, and yet, the one company that does have it chooses to completely ignore it.

I don’t get it.  But again, maybe that’s why I don’t work in software.  Well, actually, I do, so nevermind.

Oh, as for Opencaching, I think that actually should remain separate – purely if they’re trying to maintain some open community aspect to it.  But, integration should absolutely be increased with both Basecamp and Garmin Connect.  There’s no reason basic integration can’t occur (searching/importing caches, etc…).

General Standards Support (3rd party compatibility):

Today, the Fenix exports data out as both .FIT and .GPX files (either or both).  As such, that allows compatibility with the greatest number of applications out there, as those are the most common file formats supported (aside from .TCX).  Virtually every sport application will support either of those two files.

In my testing though – results were mixed.  While Strava uploaded the .FIT file just fine, TrainingPeaks had problems with it.  It’s not clear to me who the blame lies with at this time.

[Updated 11/2/12: The issues with TrainingPeaks compatibility have been addressed]

GPS Device & Display Formats and GPS Tools:

This is just a quick section to cover a bunch of things that weren’t covered elsewhere.

First, various formatting options.  They are as follows:

Distance/Speed: Nautical (ft), Nautical (m), Statute, Metric, Yards
Elevation: Feet, Meters
Depth: Feet, Fathoms, Meters
Temperature: Celsius, Fahrenheit
Pressure: Inches (Hg), mmHg, Millibars, Hectopascals
Vertical Speed: Feet/Min, Meters/Min, Meters/Sec, Meters/Hr

All of these settings are set independently.  Thus you can have one format for depth and another for elevation.

Position formats are as follows, they are all typed exactly as the unit writes it:

Format: hddd*mm.mmm’, hddd.ddddd*, hddd*mm’ss.s’’, Austrian Grid, Borneo RSO, British Grid, Dutch Grid, E0V Hungarian, Estonian Grid, Finnish Grid, German Grid, Icelandic Grid, Indonesian Equat., Indonesian Irian, Indonesian South., India Zone 0/IA/IB/IIA/IIB/IIIA/IIB/IVA/IVB, Irish (ITM), Irish (IG), Latvian TM, Loran TD, Maidenhead, MGRS, New Zealand, New Zealand TM, QNG Grid, RT 90, Swedish Grid, SWEREF 99 TM, South Africa, Swiss Grid, Taiwan Grid, US National, UTM UPS, W Malayan RSO, User Grid

 

Datum: Adindan, Afgooye, AIN EL ABD ’70, Anna 1 Ast ’65, ARC 1950, ARC 1960, Ascnsn Isld ’58, Astr Dos 71/4, Astro B4 Soral, Astro Bcn “E”, Astro Stn ’52, Aus Geod ’66, Aus Geod ’84, Austria, Bellevue (IGN), Bermuda 1957, Bogota Observ, Campo Ichspe, Canton Ast ’66, Cape, Cape Canavrl, Carthage, CH-1903, Chatham 1971, Chua Astro, Corrego Alegr, Croatia, D jakarta, Dos 1968, Dutch, Easter Isld 67, European 1950, European 1979, Finland Hayfrd, Gandajika Base, GDA 94, Geod Datm ’49, Guam 1963, Gux 1 Astro, H jorsey 1955, Hong Kong ’63, Hu-Tzu-Shan, Indian Bngldsh, Indian Thailand, Indonesia 74, Ireland 1965, ISTS 073 Astro, Johnston Island, Kandawala, Kergueln Islnd, Kertau 1948, L.C. 5 Astro, Liberia 1964, LK592, Luzon Mindanao, Luzon Philippine, Mahe 1971, Marco Astro, Massawa, Merchich, Midway Ast ’61, Minna, NAD27 Alaska, NAD27 Bahamas, NAD27 Canada, NAD27 Canal Zn, NAD27 Caribbn, NAD27 Central, NAD27 CONUS, NAD27 Cuba, NAD27 Grnland, NAD27 Mexico, NAD27 San Sal, NAD83, Naparima BWI, Nhrwin Masirah, Nhrwin Saudi A, Nhrwn United A, Obsrvtoria ’66, Old Egyptian, Old Hawaiian, Oman, Ord Srvy GB, Pico De Las Nv, Potsdam, Prov S Am ’56, Prov S Chln ’63, Ptcairn Ast ’67, Puerto Rico, Qatar National, Qornoq, Reunion, Rome 1940, RT 90, Santo (Dos), Sao Braz, Sapper Hill ’43, Schwarzeck, SE Base, South Asia, Sth Amrcn ’69, SW Base, Taiwan, Timbalai 1948, Tokyo, Tristan Ast ’68, Viti Levu 1916, Wake-Eniwetok, WGS 72, WGS 84, Zanderij, None, User

 

Spheroid: Tied to Datum (matches it)

Next, within GPS Tools we have the ‘leftovers’.  These are things that Garmin didn’t put into a major category bucket.  As such, there’s:

Satellite: This enables you to look at the current accuracy levels, which satellites you’re connected to, and whether or not WAAS is currently enabled and within range (only in North America).

Sight ‘N Go: This enables you to lock on a heading and then hold that lock.

Coordinates: This allows you to specify coordinates and then navigate to those coordinates.

POI’s: Points of Interest.  If you have downloaded Points of Interests to the device, you can navigate to them.  In my case, it merely identified the entire city of Paris as a point of interest.

Sun and Moon, Hunt and Fish, and Geocaching: I covered all these above in bigger sections.

Area Calculator: This allows you to determine the area of a mass of land by walking/running/riding the perimeter.

MOB (Man Overboard): Drop someone off the boat, and then mark their position.  That way you don’t forget where they are.  Or, more specifically, you can rescue them.  Also useful for drug running in the Caribbean.

Active Route: This simply tells you the currently active route.  If you’re not on an active route – it’ll let you know that too.

Accessories:

ANT+ Accessories:

The Fenix is compatible with a number of ANT+ accessories.  ANT+ is an industry standard that allows you to pair wireless sensor devices with computers/watches/head units.  Each device uses what’s called an ANT Device Profile, which ensures that no matter who makes the device, they know how to talk together.

Below is a list of common ANT+ sensor types, and whether or not they are supported.

ANT+ Garmin Tempe Temperature Sensor:

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The Garmin Tempe sensor is a temperature sensor that allows you to gather wireless readings from it for approximately 1 year.  It runs on a single CR2023 coin cell battery and can be attached to your shoe laces or the tail of a mouse.

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I wrote up a pretty detailed section above.  The Tempe retails for a fairly reasonable $30.

ANT+ Cycling Speed/Cadence Sensor:

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The ANT+ Speed/Cadence Sensor allows one to gather speed and cadence information wirelessly.  In the case of the Fenix, that’s only going to use the cadence information, and not the speed information.

A small magnet attaches first to a back wheel spoke, and then a second magnet attaches to your crank arm (that’s the piece that connects to your shoe via the pedal).  From there, the above pod sits in between the two and wirelessly transmits the data to the Fenix.

In my case, I prefer the Bontrager quick-release style Speed/Cadence sensor, over the Garmin GSC-10.  The GSC-10 is a bit cheaper, but it’s ziptied on, versus the Bontrager one uses industrial rubber bands to enable you to quickly move it from bike to bike.

ANT+ Garmin Chirp Geocache:

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The Garmin Chirp is an ANT+ geocaching sensor that allows you to create an electronic proximity based cache.  The cache will alert ANT+ enabled devices /watches when nearby, providing additional detail and name information.

The Chirp is available for $23.

ANT+ Heart Rate Strap:

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The ANT+ Heart Strap is made by a billion companies, and is cross compatible with the Garmin Fenix no matter which company made your strap.  The Heart Rate strap transmits your heart rate data, which the Fenix units pick up without issue.  The user-replaceable battery generally lasts about a year.

The cheapest ANT+ enabled heart rate strap is out there for about $40 these days.

ANT+ Running Speed/Cadence Sensor [supported as of Nov 1st, 2012]:

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As of November 1st, 2012 – the Fenix now supports the footpod for indoor and outdoor training.  While indoors the footpod will provide speed/distance and cadence.  And while outdoors it’ll provide cadence information, or can be used to provide more stable speed information.

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I’ve written a bunch about it here in this post about the update, which came as firmware version 2.90.

ANT+ Power Meters [non-supported]:

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While not a huge surprise, the ANT+ power meter profile is NOT supported on the Fenix.  I think there is a niche for this to be included (likely far larger niche than Man-Overboard and many other options).  And it would be quite appealing, especially to mountain bikers, and those doing 24-hour mountain biking races.

Nonetheless, it’s not there today.

Bluetooth Low Energy Capabilities (Bluetooth Smart) Accessories:

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As of this time, the Fenix isn’t compatible with any Bluetooth Smart Sensors.  I suspect in time that will change, as it’s only logical to expand compatibility to non-ANT+ sensors as the market conditions change.  Today those sensors are largely limited to heart rate, speed/cadence and some upcoming power meters.  Down the road, there will no doubt be endless different sensor types.

One thing to keep in mind is that like ANT+, in order for a given Bluetooth Smart sensor to gain mass adoption, it must conform to a published ‘device profile’ specification.  This ensure that all devices that support that device profile know how to talk to that given device class.  For example, the heart rate monitor device profile enables standards and interoperability between heart rate measurement devices (straps primarily) and watches/units that read that data.  Without such standards, compatibility would be a nightmare.

The point of this being that I would expect that if and when Garmin allows one to use other Bluetooth Smart sensors, I’d expect they’d only look at mainstream devices that have official device profiles that are ratified by the Bluetooth SIG, and in particular, the fitness subcommittee on that SIG.

Finally, at present, the only active use of Bluetooth on the Fenix is to share your workouts with your phone via their Basecamp App (talked about in detail above).

Product/Market Comparisons:

Here’s a quick comparison chart, along with some of my thoughts on comparing the unit to the Suunto Ambit – its only real competitor, and then my general thoughts on whether or not the Fenix makes for a good running watch.  I added the FR910XT, since so many people ask about how that compares as well.  As always, if you spot any errors, please let me know.

Comparison Chart:

Function/FeatureGarmin FenixTimex One GPS+Suunto Ambit3 SportSuunto Ambit3 PeakTomTom Multisport Cardio
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Price$299 (on sale)$399$399$499$299
Product Announcement DateJUL 10, 2012Aug 6, 2015July 10th, 2014July 10th, 2014APR 2, 2014
Actual Availability/Shipping DateAUG 2012Late Oct 2015Sept 2014Sept 2014Mid-April 2014
GPS Recording FunctionalityYesYesYesYesYes
Data TransferUSB & Bluetooth Smart3G (Cellular), USB for music downloadUSB & Bluetooth SmartUSB & Bluetooth SmartUSB/Bluetooth Smart
WaterproofingYes - 50m50mYes - 50mYes - 100mATM5 (50m roughly)
Battery Life50 hours8 hours (GPS w/3G), 4 hours (GPS/3G/Music)25 hours50 Hours10hrs
Recording Interval1s to variable1-secondVariableVariable1-second
Satellite Pre-Loading via ComputerYes (as of Feb 2014)TBDYesYesYes
Quick Satellite ReceptionGoodTBDGreatGreatExcellent
AlertsVibrate/Sound/VisualVibrate/Sound/VisualSound/VisualSound/VisualVibrate/Sound/Visual
Backlight GreatnessGreatGreatGreatGreatGreat
Ability to download custom apps to unit/deviceNoNoYesYesNo
Acts as daily activity monitor (steps, etc...)NoNoYes (no steps though)Yes (no steps though)No
ConnectivityGarmin FenixTimex One GPS+Suunto Ambit3 SportSuunto Ambit3 PeakTomTom Multisport Cardio
Bluetooth Legacy (pre-4.0) to PhoneNoNoNoNoNo
Bluetooth Smart (4.0+) to Phone UploadingYesNo (has internal 3G)YesYesYes
Phone Notifications to unit (i.e. texts/calls/etc...)YesNot to phone, but via 3GYesYesNo
Live Tracking (streaming location to website)Yes (as of Feb 2014)YesNoNoNo
Emergency/SOS Message Notification (from watch to contacts)NoYesNoNoNo
Built-in cellular chip (no phone required)NoYesNoNoNo
CyclingGarmin FenixTimex One GPS+Suunto Ambit3 SportSuunto Ambit3 PeakTomTom Multisport Cardio
Designed for cyclingYesNoYesYesYes
Power Meter CapableNoN/AYesYesNo
Power Meter Configuration/Calibration OptionsN/AN/AYesYesN/A
Power Meter TSS/NP/IFN/AN/ANoNoN/A
Speed/Cadence Sensor CapableYes (full support added Sept 2013)N/AYesYesYes
RunningGarmin FenixTimex One GPS+Suunto Ambit3 SportSuunto Ambit3 PeakTomTom Multisport Cardio
Designed for runningYesYesYesYesYes
Footpod Capable (For treadmills)YesYesYes (internal accelerometer)YesInternal Accelerometer
Running Dynamics (vertical oscillation, ground contact time, etc...)NoNoNoNoNo
VO2Max EstimationNoNoYesYesNo
Race PredictorNoNoNoNoNo
Recovery AdvisorNoNoYEsYesNo
Run/Walk ModeNoNonoNoNo
SwimmingGarmin FenixTimex One GPS+Suunto Ambit3 SportSuunto Ambit3 PeakTomTom Multisport Cardio
Designed for swimmingNoNoYesYesYes
Openwater swimming modeN/AN/AYesYesNo (Swimcap only)
Lap/Indoor Distance TrackingN/AN/AYesYesYes
Record HR underwaterNoN/AYesYesNo (not enabled in swim mode)
Openwater Metrics (Stroke/etc.)N/AN/AYesYesNo
Indoor Metrics (Stroke/etc.)N/AN/AYesYesYes
Indoor Drill ModeN/AN/AYesYesNo
Indoor auto-pause featureN/AN/ANoNoNo
Change pool sizeN/AN/AYesYesYes
Indoor Min/Max Pool LengthsN/AN/A15m/y to 1,200m/y15m/y to 1,200m/y15m-50m
Ability to customize data fieldsN/AN/AYesYesYes
Can change yards to metersN/AN/AYEsYesYes
Captures per length data - indoorsN/AN/AYesYesYes
Indoor AlertsN/AN/ANoNoGoals only
TriathlonGarmin FenixTimex One GPS+Suunto Ambit3 SportSuunto Ambit3 PeakTomTom Multisport Cardio
Designed for triathlonNoNoYesYesYes
Multisport modeN/AN/AYesYesNo
WorkoutsGarmin FenixTimex One GPS+Suunto Ambit3 SportSuunto Ambit3 PeakTomTom Multisport Cardio
Create/Follow custom workoutsYes (As of Dec 6, 2013)NoNoNoNo
On-unit interval FeatureYes (As of Dec 6, 2013)YesBarelyBarelyYes
Training Calendar FunctionalityNoNoNoNoNo
FunctionsGarmin FenixTimex One GPS+Suunto Ambit3 SportSuunto Ambit3 PeakTomTom Multisport Cardio
Auto Start/StopYesYesYesYesNo
Virtual Partner FeatureYesTBDNoNoYes
Virtual Racer FeatureNoNoNoNoYes
Records PR's - Personal Records (diff than history)NoNoNoNoNo
Day to day watch abilityYesYesYesYesYes
Hunting/Fishing/Ocean DataYesNoNoNoNo
Tidal Tables (Tide Information)NoNoNoNoNo
Jumpmaster mode (Parachuting)YesNoNoNoNo
GeocachingYesNoNoNoNo
Weather Display (live data)NoNoNoNoNo
NavigateGarmin FenixTimex One GPS+Suunto Ambit3 SportSuunto Ambit3 PeakTomTom Multisport Cardio
Follow GPS Track (Courses/Waypoints)YesNoYesYesNo
Markers/Waypoint DirectionYesNoYesYesNo
Routable/Visual Maps (like car GPS)NoNoNoNoNo
Back to startYesNoYesYesNo
Impromptu Round Trip Route CreationNoNoNoNoNo
Download courses/routes from phone to unitYesNoDownload pre-created onlyDownload pre-created onlyNo
SensorsGarmin FenixTimex One GPS+Suunto Ambit3 SportSuunto Ambit3 PeakTomTom Multisport Cardio
Altimeter TypeBarometricGPSGPSBarometricGPS (Barometric for Performance Bundle)
Compass TypeMagneticN/AMagneticMagneticNone
Heart Rate Strap CompatibleYesYesYesYesYes (also contains optical HR sensor)
ANT+ Heart Rate Strap CapableYesNoNoNoNo
ANT+ Speed/Cadence CapableYesNoNoNoNo
ANT+ Footpod CapableYesNoNoNoNo, has internal accelerometer
ANT+ Power Meter CapableNoNoNoNoNo
ANT+ Weight Scale CapableNoNoNoNoNo
ANT+ Fitness Equipment (Gym)NoNoNoNoNo
ANT+ Remote ControlYesNoNoNoNo
ANT+ eBike CompatibilityNoNoNoNoNo
Di2 Shifting IntegrationNoNoNo
Bluetooth Smart HR Strap CapableNoYesYesYesYes
Bluetooth Smart Speed/Cadence CapableNoNoYesYesYes
Bluetooth Smart Footpod CapableNoYesYesYesNo, has internal accelerometer
Bluetooth Smart Power Meter CapableNoNoYesYesNo
Temp Recording (internal sensor)YesNoNoYesNo
Temp Recording (external sensor)YesNoNoNoNo
Compatible with Firstbeat HR toolsNoTBDYesYesNo
SoftwareGarmin FenixTimex One GPS+Suunto Ambit3 SportSuunto Ambit3 PeakTomTom Multisport Cardio
PC ApplicationBasecampNoMoveslink AgentMoveslink AgentMySports Connect
Web ApplicationGarmin ConnectYesMovescountMovescountTomTom MySports
Phone AppGarmin Basecamp (iOS)iOS/AndroidMovescountSuunto MovescountiOS (Android Sept 2014)
Ability to Export SettingsYes (profiles XML)NoYes (online)Yes (online)No
PurchaseGarmin FenixTimex One GPS+Suunto Ambit3 SportSuunto Ambit3 PeakTomTom Multisport Cardio
Amazon LinkLinkN/ALinkLinkLink
Clever Training - Save a bunch with Clever Training VIP programLinkLinkLinkLinkLink
DCRainmakerGarmin FenixTimex One GPS+Suunto Ambit3 SportSuunto Ambit3 PeakTomTom Multisport Cardio
Review LinkLinkLinkLinkLinkLink

Comparison with the Suunto Ambit:

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Since the Fenix was announced this past summer, there’s been constant interest in which one is ultimately declared the ‘winner’.  From a features and functionality standpoint, it’s actually a rather difficult question.

First, let’s look at raw features – as in the total number of unique things that each watch does.  In this case, the Fenix wins in a landslide (like a pro football stadium to high school gym sized landslide).  Mostly due to the vast sea of features from the handheld side that was brought into the watch.  True, many of them aren’t used by many people, but, they are there.  And oftentimes, it’s the little things that matter to people.

However, it’s not all about features.  It’s all about stability.  In this case, I’d hand it to the Ambit.  I simply don’t have crashes or highly visible bugs on my Ambit.  Sure, there are some edge case bugs – but nowhere near the quantity of issues I see with the Fenix on a daily basis.  Just tons of weird quirks.  There’s an entire multi-page thread dedicated to Fenix bugs, and most of those are just since the latest release last week.

Next we look at compatibility.  In this case, again, Fenix is a clear winner.  They support ANT+ devices today, and more than the Ambit will likely support in November (I doubt we’ll see Suunto add ANT+ Chirp and ANT+ Tempe functionality, though they certainly could since they are standard ANT+ device profiles).  Further, the Fenix has Bluetooth Low Energy built into, which means that it can communicate with cell phones and open up a whole host of scenarios over time.  The Ambit doesn’t have this, and no amount of software updating will fix that.

Speaking of software updates… The Ambit has published a schedule that specifies when and what they’re adding to the unit.  Thus far, they’ve hit all milestones published.  And the next milestone adds ANT+ to the Ambit in November, along with more features.  Though still, it’s far fewer features than the Fenix.  But, at least it’s predictable.  Unlike the Fenix, which I have no idea if or when they’ll fix the bugs.  Thus far they’ve been releasing frequent updates (good!), but Garmin has a long and storied history of leaving buggy products out in the open.

Finally, the running aspect.  Ultimately, the entire running experience is far cleaner and well put together on the Suunto side.  From use to uploading and viewing of the data – it’s clear that runners understand the product.  I don’t get that clarity with Fenix.

So, is there a right answer?  Well, it depends on who you are.  Read the above table, read this whole section on comparing with the Ambit.  And then read the next running section.  If you’re purely a runner, the choice is probably obvious.  If you’re not, then the choice gets a bit muddier.  And honestly, the choice may be a different watch besides the Fenix or Ambit.

As a running watch:

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While the Fenix makes for an impressive outdoor and hiking watch, it ultimately makes for a poor running watch.  The watch was put together by the ‘Outdoor’ team within Garmin, which is the team that historically has focused on handheld devices such as the Oregon, Montana and similar products.  These devices targeted folks hiking and exploring the wilderness – with only barely passing functionality for those taking part in sports with the devices.

The lack of running focus (or cycling for that matter) is apparent across the Fenix.  If you’re a previous and/or current Garmin Forerunner user, you’ll likely find the watch frustrating to use while running.  For example, here’s a short list of areas that runners will find (or won’t find):

– No interval functionality (i.e. creating interval workouts)
– No workout functionality (either creation, or utilizing existing downloaded workouts)
– No Virtual Pacer support
– No Virtual Racer support
– No Autolap by position functionality (for looping repeats, regular distance autolap is supported)
– No Run/Walk mode
No ability to use ANT+ running footpod for indoor treadmill use [Added Nov 1, 2012 in 2.90]
Doesn’t support setting/downloading heart rate zones via Garmin Connect (generates error)  [Added/Fixed in 2.80]
And once you have those zones manually entered, it won’t use the Z#.# convention like other Garmin Fitness units, instead just showing full zone (i.e. Z2 instead of Z2.4)  [Added Nov 1, 2012 in 2.90]
Garmin Connect doesn’t know the type or activity class from uploaded files (i.e. Run/Bike/Hike)  [Added Oct 4, 2012 in 2.70]
Cannot download courses from Garmin Connect to the unit  [Added Oct 4, 2012 in 2.70]
Non-compatible .FIT file formatting (3rd party apps like TrainingPeaks seem to fail on many Fenix .FIT files)  [Fixed Oct 4, 2012 in 2.70]
In order to set a lap, you must actually HOLD the button down for 2 seconds  [Added/Fixed Oct 4, 2012 in 2.70]

It’s this last one that while sounding silly, is actually outright annoying.  For example, as I’m finishing up a hard interval, I’ve now gotta hold down the metallic button for two seconds with my sweaty hands while I gasp for breath.  And of course, it’s now counting those two seconds against me (i.e 1:12 instead of 1:10).  Seriously?

[Update: This has been added in 2.70 on Oct 4th, 2012: You can now configure the back button for single-tap lap pressing.  Sweet, problem solved!]

And then there’s sport related oddities within device profiles.  For example, if I pair a heart rate strap within the running section and then go cycling, I have to remember to re-pair and turn it on the first time I use that profile.  No other Garmin product works that way (or any other company I can think of), they all remember the heart rate strap across sports.  Now, I suppose the one way you could spin this as a ‘feature’ would be to create different device profiles for different people in your household, and then be able to pair certain heart rate straps for each person.

[Updated 11/2/12: The Garmin staff tells me they do consider this a feature as "it is very likely that a heart rate strap may not be used in all profiles in a device that isn't solely dedicated to fitness", and they have addressed things so that now "the initial setup of a heart rate strap logically should follow into another first-time use of a subsequent out-of-box profile like cycling."]

If you are a cyclist, there’s no power meter support.  And while that’s probably logical given the focus of this watch – it’s also a watch that would be awesome for mountain bikers in particular.  Power meters in mountain bikes has made steady progress over the last 18 months, and ignoring that segment seems silly in Garmin’s highest end watch.  Plus, there’s no support for entering bike settings or setting the wheel circumference (to specify distance).  Thus the speed/cadence sensor is useless for indoor training.

Ultimately, it’s acceptable for there to be some feature gaps in a watch that tries to bridge the gap between running and outdoors/hiking.  But at present, there are just simply too many gaps.  Given the choice between using an older 5+ year old discontinued Garmin FR305, or newer low-budget $120 Garmin FR10 – I’d happily take either of those over the Fenix as a running watch.

Yes, I do realize that the watch has awesome potential battery life, and that’s perfect for ultrarunners.  But, at the same time, for most ultrarunners, the 20 hour battery life of the Garmin FR310XT and FR910XT is sufficient.  And for those that need that additional battery life, I just don’t believe the battery life of the watch is worth the tradeoff in features at this time.  Of course, each person will need to make their own decisions on functionality tradeoffs.

(Again, this section is focused on runners specifically)

The good news, if there’s any here, is that all of these things can be changed with firmware updates (Update note: and, as of November, Garmin has made great progress in that arena).  In the same way I was equally as hard on the Suunto Ambit when it first came out due to lack of features given its price point, I’m optimistic that given time Garmin will follow Suunto’s lead and announce the features they plan to incorporate into Fenix going forward (and a timetable) – otherwise, I’d imagine that many runners will simply head elsewhere as they look at the holiday shopping season.

Pros & Cons:

While the unit may not be the best for runners, there are a lot of positive aspects for other user groups.  Here’s a list of pros and cons, as consolidated as I can possibly get with a watch whose feature set is so broad:

Pros:

– GPS accuracy is in line with other GPS units, consistent
– Barometric altitude accuracy is also in line with other GPS units
– Huge feature set for a large number of use cases, from geocaching to hiking to navigation
– Battery life, in theory, goes 50 hours
– Incredibly flexible and customizable – far more customization than we’ve ever seen from Garmin
– External temperature sensor (Tempe) is pretty cool
– Bluetooth Low Energy inclusion is huge, can upload to phone, integrate

Cons:

– Running feature set is pretty poor [Nov Update: But getting much better in firmware updates]
– Battery life seems to be all over the map, I can’t get a good handle on it
– Doesn’t support any other Bluetooth Smart sensors, except phone upload
– Tons of bugs, running into oddities constantly
– Software platform inconsistent, disorganized in conjunction with this product

[Note: List updated 11/1/2012 at 7PM Eastern based on the 2.90 firmware release on Nov 1st, 2012]

Summary:

At this point, I’ve said everything I can say – some 13,354 words later.  Ultimately, the Fenix shows immense promise, but it’s clear that in order for it to be a winner in the fitness category (as opposed to just hiking/adventures), they need to shack up with someone in the Forerunner running team and figure out how to make it really hum for runners.  Today, it borders on frustrating for runners.

Yet for those hiking and otherwise out in the outdoors doing other things, the Fenix has tons of awesome features and performs well.  Its accuracy appears good (I’ve done multiple GPS distance tests across a slew of products and they all match), easy to use, and seems like it can take a beating (at least, it has for me for the past three months).

Ultimately, it’s up to you to decide whether it’s the right watch for you.  Good luck!

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Hopefully you found this review useful.  At the end of the day, I’m an athlete just like you looking for the most detail possible on a new purchase – so my review is written from the standpoint of how I used the device.  The reviews generally take a lot of hours to put together (especially this one, probably the longest and most detailed I’ve ever done), so it’s a fair bit of work (and labor of love).  As you probably noticed by looking below, I also take time to answer all the questions posted in the comments – and there’s quite a bit of detail in there as well.

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As you’ve seen throughout the review there are numerous compatible accessories for the unit.  I’ve consolidated them all into the below chart, with additional information (full posts) available on some of the accessories to the far right.  Also, everything here is verified by me – so if it’s on the list, you’ll know it’ll work.  And as you can see, I mix and match accessories based on compatibility – so if a compatible accessory is available at a lower price below, you can grab that instead.

AccessoryManufacturerStreet PriceAmazon LinkClever Training Link (Save 10% with DCR10JKW)More Info
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Chirp External ANT+ Geocaching BeaconGarmin$22.00LinkN/ALink
Fenix Black-colored Replacement Band/StrapGarmin$18.00LinkLinkN/A
Fenix Charging/Download CableGarmin$25.00LinkLinkN/A
Fenix Cloth Replacement Band/StrapGarmin$18LinkLinkN/A
Fenix Leather Replacement Band/StrapGarmin$18.00LinkLinkN/A
Fenix Olive-colored Replacement Band/StrapGarmin$18.00LinkLinkN/A
Fenix Orange-colored Replacement Band/StrapGarmin$18.00LinkLinkN/A
Garmin ANT+ Heart Rate Strap (Classic Plastic Strap) - HRM1Garmin$37.00LinkLinkN/A
Garmin ANT+ Heart Rate Strap (Premium Soft-Strap) - HRM2Garmin$69.00LinkLinkN/A
Garmin ANT+ Heart Rate Strap (Premium Soft-Strap) - HRM3Garmin$50.00LinkLinkLink
Garmin ANT+ Replacement HR Strap (for HRM3/HRM-RUN - just the strap portion)Garmin$28.00LinkLinkN/A
Garmin ANT+ Running Footpod (Mini)Garmin$45.00LinkLinkLink
Garmin ANT+ Speed/Cadence Cycling Sensor (GSC-10)Garmin$35.00LinkLinkLink
Garmin Bike Mount Kit (for mounting any watch onto handlebars)Garmin$10.00LinkLinkN/A
Garmin Tempe External ANT+ Temperature SensorGarmin$29.00LinkLinkLink
Motorola ANT+ Speed/Cadence Cycling Sensor (Quick Install) - BEST!Motorola$55.00LinkN/ALink
Suunto ANT/ANT+ Running Footpod (good for both ANT types)Suunto$70.00LinkLinkLink

Thanks for reading!  And as always, feel free to post comments or questions in the comments section below, I’ll be happy to try and answer them as quickly as possible.  And lastly, if you felt this review was useful – I always appreciate feedback in the comments below.  Thanks!

Finally, I’ve written up a ton of helpful guides around using most of the major fitness devices, which you may find useful in getting started with the devices.  These guides are all listed on this page here.

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  1. Ben F

    In the barometric altimeter section, I believe you accidentally used GPS when you meant barometric...

    "But for hiking and mountain focused activities, accurate elevation is fairly important, hence the inclusion of the GPS [barometric] based altimeter."

    Thanks for yet another great review!

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    • mark replied

      I've read lots and lots of reviews of both the Ambit and the Fenix, and I already have an ambit, but based on the strength of your review whichis the best I've found so far, and I REALLY have been looking, I intend to get the Fenix when the money is returned for the DODGY Hanowa that I have just returned.
      I'm really new to all this and want to know (as you also have an ambit) how i might get elevation and track Data while on a flight if possible. What do I need to set before I leave , etc etc. i appreciate this might be a case of a reply to my (enclosed) email address., and if you could do this it would be appreciated, although a small part of me thinks this might not be possible as a plane is a pressurised environment so you wouldnt ge tan altitude/pressure difference, and i would imagine within the confines of a plane the GPS would also choose to throw its teddy in the corner..

      Sorry for going off topic. I have asked other quite well known "EXPERTS" but it would seem my little question is far FAR too insignificant for them to deem it worthy of a reply.......

      Errr HELP..... Anyone???????

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    • mark replied

      I always forget something..... Am I correct in thinking that there are multiple tones on the Fenix, not that i want my Fenix Sounding like a mid 90's nokia, but a choice might be nice.
      Also on the Fenix, I am told that you can set it to vibrate as well as play a tone at the same time. Different web sites have different opinions, but based on the really thorough nature of your review I thought you might know, and reply.....

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  2. or_watching

    Wow.

    Your depth of detail and comprehensiveness is jaw dropping.

    Thanks for the huge effort you must have put into writing this up.

    I'm looking forward to your next round of side-by-side testing of the 2012 watches.

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  3. Since Garmin lied about future integration of swim workouts in the 910XT, I doubt highly that they will bother include the "weekly gathering of t° in the woods" and lots of other missing features you cite in your article.
    Thanks for everything!

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  4. Ian

    Awesome review Ray! From your ANT+ meeting posts - I hadn't really thought about you being able to work as a go-between from 'regular folks' to manufacturers, but that's a very important aspect of letting them know about things (especially when they don't read their own forums!). Seems this applies especially to Garmin, with this watch and with other products...

    On that note, I'd be keen to hear whether Garmin will allow a firmware update to allow non-cycling specific GPS to receive ANT+ power data, especially now they have a pedal based power system in the works. Models like the Dakota the I own, and the Colorado/Oregon etc, and I think some of the etrex/forerunners already use ANT+ for the HR strap, and are great for the mapping side of GPS - exploring, very long distance rides, offroad ultra distance races etc. (They seem to be a bit more rugged than the bike specific models too). And as you say, the Fenix could potentially be a great cycling watch if it had some of the other cycling features like power available!

    However, all these 'outdoor' oriented Garmin devices seem to lack the power capture screens in the software/firmware, meaning taking along two devices if you want to navigate/record GPS as well as power, which while I'm sure is't a problem for you Ray (I've seen the pics with you having 3 head units on the stem bars plus a couple of GPS watches on your wrists!) can be for long distance rides/events where weight and battery concerns are key...

    There's a fair bit of low level grumbling on GPS forums including the Garmin cycling forums, but I've not seen a reply to this - I'd love it if you could bring it up with a Garmin big cheese (or medium cheese if necessary!).

    Thanks!

    Ian

    ps - really looking forwards to the Powertap Joule GPS review, any updates on when it's due?

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  6. Thanks for the very good and very detailed review!

    one little comment:
    you wrote that: "and turning on the other ABC sensors to ‘Always on’ to get the most accurate data".

    I think when GPS is on the sensors are always on automatically... or am i wrong? That would be not really user-friendly...

    And do you switch the Ant+ Heart Rate Monitor always on an off to have longer battery life?

    THX!

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  7. Ray, your review is amazingly in-depth and helpful. Thank you for this spectacular effort and for providing such amazing tech support for your readers!

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  8. Well at least is looks like Garmin actually used a Barometer in this watch as opposed to the damp sausage they used in the 910XT. My 2005 Polar 725X has a far better barometer than the 910XT. Very disappointed with the quality. I wonder if I would have been happier with the Polar RCX5.

    I'm in the market for an ABC watch and based on poor software implementation and totally useless barometer in my 910XT I'll be going with the Ambit.

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  9. Anonymous

    Hi Ray,

    Great review as always. Please though can you halt all your other reviews and give us the low down on your turbo trainer thoughts.

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  10. Stanislav

    Thank you for the great review!
    To me it looks like Ambit killer it is not, at least not for ultra-running. I'll keep using FR610 for now and watch for future Ambit updates.

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  11. Baz

    Very detailed and insightful review as always, thank you very much. I am most amazed by the smartphone integration potential but sadly again, it looks like that Garmin always do the same errors... As an ultrarunner, i had a lot of hopes but again my hopes are deceived. Buggy product, very bad software integration (all the basecamp, geocache garmin connect things you mentionned ...). The 50hours battery life is even not an argument for me because the tradeoff (poor metrics) is too high. I have been recently using my FR 310XT with a USB Battery and it has been just great with all the features and metrics i wanted, recording 46hours, 170 km, 13000m of positive elevation gains in one file correctly uploaded to garmin connect... I regret not being able to read those metrics while charging and running but disconnecting the usb battery easily gives me the data i want.

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  12. Anonymous

    The no footpod compatability is nearly a killer for me. As a guy that does a lot of work with the company, do you know whether or not they are going to make it compatible in the future? I know the Timex Global Trainer was able to make it work with a firmware update, so it should be the same for Garmin. Thanks.

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  13. Anonymous

    So it's basically the next generation of Foretrex - not a huge difference between this and the 401, apart from the Fenix has some rudimentary running stuff.

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  14. Many thanks for this review! Outstanding!

    It's the first I've read about the Fenix that really analyzes the device and doesn't just tell you what the PR department wants you to know.

    I was especially curious if the Fenix could substitute the Foretrex 401, which - although really, really old - covers more or less the same territories: running, but not much, a bit of cycling, but not much, and hiking which it does quite well.

    The Fenix seems to be, for hikers at least, only a gadget for now or a 2nd GPS unit apart from the main device (a GPSMap 72, e.g.).

    Why? Because in an emergency situation a hiker has to be able to input manually, say, 5-10 waypoints for another route. Alas, the Foretrex is cumbersome but is possible (more or less like the old GPSMap 60 series models).

    The Fenix seems a step backward in this regard. A GPS which is not easily re-programmable in an emergency w/o PC access can be useless.

    -----

    Another observation: I was hoping for seamless upload and download of tracks (and routes, and waypoints) in GPX format from Android/iPhones to the Fenix. Search for a track in EveryTrail, for example, and send it to the Fenix. Not at home the evening before but right the same morning, while still in the car.

    Then again: add your own (old) GPX tracks from your collection to the Fenix. Send all your 100 (200? 500?) tracks and let the Fenix display them as soon as you are near them. Alternative routes, bycicle tracks, hiking tracks, tracks from friends. These "old" collections can be life saving when you're out in the woods and you have to find another way because of bad weather, ice, etc.

    ------

    Last observation:

    Our phones/phablets/tablets are becoming real workhorses and are making the old PC obsolete because we can take them with us. They can organize, display, down- and upload tracks way better than any Garmin 70x70 pixel device ever will.

    So connectivity with smartphones (of all sorts) and compatibility with file formats (old and new) should be key for Garmin.

    ----

    In the long run, I think we'll just grab our future IP67 proofed smartphone, and use it as outdoor GPS ...

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    • Thierry replied

      I agree with you: I've just bought a fenix, and it seems to be very tough to transfer old courses (i previously have a 310XT) on fenix. It would be a great feature if was possible within a smartphone, a real improvment...

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  15. Ty

    So, it only uploads to Garmin Connect thru a USB cable?
    No ANT+ fob, or Bluetooth to computer or smartphone?

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  16. Wow- you put a lot of work into this review and I learned quite a bit. Never knew what a Garmin Chirp was before. Fenix is a neat device, clearly not for the swim/bike/run crowd. Apparently there's a bunch of engineers over on the Garmin 'outdoor' team that just asked, "what's a power meter?" and "what's a footpod", and all the guys over on the sports side said "Told ya so!".

    Special note: great intro photo with the blurry mountain/lake background.

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  17. Surprised that in your Table you list the Ambit as unable to follow routes and POIs as this was implemented in the last (1.8) update.

    Also would be helpful to list stated upcoming updates for both Ant+ support and footpod for Ambit.

    Great review, I expected this to be a handheld GPS In watch form. Too bad Garmin cannot combine the best of their training and GPS devices in a wearable watch. It would be a killer device.

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  18. Hi Ray,
    Tks for the hard work. At least the answer is clear: Garmin once again launched a "half-finished" product. Too bad...
    Regarding the pairing of devices (HR, etc.), it was not clear to me: do you need to pair it every time you change profile? So if I pair and HR strap on the running profile, do I need to pair it everytime I select the running profile?
    Tks, Claude

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  19. Anonymous

    You wrote:

    - Cannot download courses from unit to Garmin Connect
    - Garmin Connect doesn’t know the type or activity class from uploaded files

    This isn't at all true. I do it all of the time. You need to try this again. It's easy: connect watch to the computer and click "upload" in Garmin Connect. One advantage to the Fenix over the Ambit is the website. Movescount is terrible and always "down". Garmin Connect is stable and always works.

    I only run and prefer the Fenix...it's also much more comfortable.

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  20. Anonymous

    To the above poster, I'm pretty sure he meant that you can't upload courses from Garmin Connect to the Fenix (I've tried and can't do that). Also wanted to post the e-mail I sent to Garmin about the footpod incompatibility so hopefully we can flood their inboxes.

    Hi Andrew,

    You should probably send this to product.support@garmin.com so that they can keep track of how many people are requesting this. The more requests, the better the chance that engineering will be informed and possibly implement this. I can’t promise anything.

    TrailTech

    From: Andrew
    Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 1:06 PM
    To: Trail Tech
    Subject: Fenix question

    Hello,

    I have got the Garmin Fenix and was wondering if there is a plan to implement the foot pod into the firmware? On a Timex GPS watch I had, it was finally implemented through a firmware update, and I have seen this being the biggest complaint people have about the Fenix to date. If not, I am really going to have to consider sending the watch back. Thanks.

    Andy

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  21. Hi All-

    Thanks for the comments!

    First, a quick note:
    RE: Basecamp Adventures

    I've been told the issue that I saw with Adventures publishing is being fixed on the backend as we speak, and I should be able to try again in about an hour. Will update accordingly - happy to have that getting all fixed up!

    Answering a few questions in here:

    Hi Andijuen-
    RE: "and turning on the other ABC sensors to ‘Always on’ to get the most accurate data".
    Your Question: "I think when GPS is on the sensors are always on automatically... or am i wrong? That would be not really user-friendly..."

    Nope, they don't actually record continously - even if the GPS is on. Hence my frustration point. To illustrate this, when I was on the plane and the unit couln't get signal (middle section on a widebody), none of the HR/Temp data was recorded. Same goes for the freezer tests.

    Hi Anon-
    RE: Trainer Reviews

    They are next in the line, but there are a few of them to work through, so I'm moving as fast as possible but want to ensure I'm thorough.

    How much are you looking to spend?

    Hi Anon/Others-
    RE: Footpod compatibility (lack of)

    Honestly, this is probably one of my bigger beefs, and I hope that with enough pressure, Garmin will look at adding this.

    Hi Ty-
    RE: Bluetooth

    Yes, it uploads via Bluetooth to thier iPhone app - see the big section above on it (look for the photos with the iPhone in there).

    Hi Morey000-
    RE: Intro Photo

    Glad someone liked that. Probably my favorite photo in the review. :) As I was running late heading back to the airport in Calgary I quickly pulled off the road when I saw just the right spot - snapped the photo and got back on. All in probably 45-60 seconds.

    Hi Brad-
    RE: Table Ambit updates

    Ahh, good catch on adding the 1.8 routes and POI, I'll add that.
    As for the ANT+ footpod and Ambit, good catch. A key differentiator.

    Hi Vivelevelo-
    RE: Pairing

    Only need to re-pair it if you create a new profile and/or switch profiles. Again, not a huge deal, and some might even see it as a feature.

    Hi Anon-
    RE: "Cannot download courses from unit to Garmin Connect"

    Sorry, a bit unclear there. Technically, you can't download courses to Garmin Connect, as how Garmin devices courses. But, what I meant was the other way around (GC > Unit) - but you can't do that either.

    What you're describing is 'Tracks' or activities. Terminology, but in this specific case it matters (though my wording was unclear in the summary, better in the section dedicated to it). I've clarified that.

    RE: "Garmin Connect doesn't know the activity type or class"

    Nope, it really doesn't. Upload using as described, it doesn't specify if it's a bike or run or hike. No connected logic.

    Thanks all!

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  22. Siskel and Ebert

    Amazing clarity.
    Breathtaking depth.
    A tour de force

    2 thumbs up.

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  23. Anonymous

    Amazing, for sure was a lot of work, and it is a master pece!

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  24. roveurboat

    I'm a runner and after plenty of research between the Fenix and Ambit, I went with the Ambit. Been very pleased thus far. Would love to have foot pod Ant+ as well as Sunrise/Sunset info. The watch has performed without a hitch thus far(1 month)and the Movescount site is actually pretty cool. Ambit updates are a real plus to me as well as the overall looks and feel of the watch.

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  25. James

    Thanks for such a detailed review. I've been waiting with anticipation for your writeup and I wasn't disappointed! - you really covered every question I had, and I had lots.

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  26. Craig

    You can get free OpenStreetMap mapping to install in BaseCamp. Its not perfect, but its much more useful than the included basemap. And in many places it is better than the official/expensive Garmin maps. See for example link to garmin.openstreetmap.nl

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  27. Impressive review Ray.
    I particularly appreciate the integrity and fairness you put in these articles. I bought the 910xt a while ago and found the device exactly matching the description and useability you detailed in your article.
    In essence I value your judgement so much more than what I read on the forums.
    Thank you.

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  28. chapeau!

    I've read almost everything out there and this review was what I was looking for. awesome! I had so many doubts but now it's pretty clear the way to go

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  29. Anonymous

    Thanks for your review, we really appreciate your time and efforts!

    Still undecided between Fenix and Ambit, or else, and would ask you a clarification: it is correct my understanding that indoor or in lack of GPS signal Fenix won't record HR data. So if I am running on the treadmill I can see HR data, see the chart on the watch but I can't download the file?

    I can understand keeping certain features specific to certain products to maximize sales, but still..

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  30. Great write up!

    how is the day to day battery life on this watch, without the GPS ON

    As a normal watch, still 50 hours?

    /Rune

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  31. Thanks very much for this much anticipated review!
    As always, honest and in-depth!

    I can understand that Garmin would not want to offer all the features that would allow the fenix to completely replace their fitness watches, but it seems that it has certainly fallen far short as an offering for runners.

    I had already ordered my fenix, so I truly hope that the firmware updates provide some of the key missing features, because the watch does have great potential.

    Thanks again!

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  32. Anonymous

    Great review, except for Garmin's interests. I hope this will make them react!
    Can I transfer waypoints, routes and tracks between my Oregon450 and my (future) Fenix?
    Thanks
    AHG

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  33. Great review. What do you think about the vertical speed ? is it reliable on the fenix ? for me, I note that it is too variable to be used in trail running... is it better on the ambit ? it is a very important data on a long trail...

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  34. Anonymous

    Hi,

    I am also interrested by the follwing question :

    Great write up!

    how is the day to day battery life on this watch, without the GPS ON

    As a normal watch, still 50 hours?

    /Rune

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  35. Jose

    [Can I transfer waypoints, routes and tracks between my Oregon450 and my (future) Fenix?]
    I have sucessfully transfered tracks and waypoints from an Oregon 450 to the fenix

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  36. Mariomobiel

    "Hi,

    I am also interrested by the follwing question :

    Great write up!

    how is the day to day battery life on this watch, without the GPS ON

    As a normal watch, still 50 hours?

    /Rune"

    Hi,

    About the battery, I charged my Fenix last Friday evening, and today (6 days later) I got a 20% battery level warning. My Fenix is set to "Sensors always on" (baro, alt, compass temp) and GPS off. It's also connected to a Tempé sensor tru ANT+. About the Tempé, it's actually not always connected. When u go to the temprature screen (Tempe is paired with the Fenix) it always shows "temp not connected" but if u wait about 5 sec, the temprature pops up.

    I asked Ray about this by email a view weeks back, but later found out in one of his posts (eurobike post)that he didn't had a Tempé sensor at that time.

    Mario

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  37. Anonymous

    Garmin is getting closer, but still no reason to upgrade from my functioning 4yr old FR305. Hopefully these different departments will really collaborate and make the watch that I think many are hoping for.

    Wearable as a watch
    Long-battery life for ultra running, hiking and adventure
    Vibrating capable
    Marriage of high quality athletic and outdoor features
    At the same 399 price, this type of watch would sell like crazy and get a lot of Forerunner owners to upgrade.

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  38. Hi All-

    Here's a roundup of questions. First though, a few worthwhile points:

    1) Garmin has released an update about an hour ago - version 2.70 - that addresses a slew of features. Specifically, they've addressed the following items that I noted above (in my words):

    "•Cannot download courses Garmin Connect to the unit
    •Garmin Connect doesn’t know the type or activity class from uploaded files (i.e. Run/Bike/Hike)
    •Non-compatible .FIT file formatting (3rd party apps like TrainingPeaks seem to fail on many Fenix .FIT files)
    •In order to set a lap, you must actually HOLD the button down for 2 seconds
    •In my case though, on both Chirps I have, finding a Chirp was akin to killing the Fenix. Chirp, Chirp, dead. Within seconds of finding the Chirps (and those photos above), the unit would hard power off.
    •Issues addressed from the watchuseek thread referenced: ◦Tracks not showing up in the tracks list
    ◦FIT format distance reporting
    ◦Low battery message tone"

    Of most interest is the fix of the 2-second hold, now you can configure the 'Back' button as a lap button

    These were addressed via all of these fixes (their words):

    Changes from version 2.60 to version 2.70:
    Added ability to import Garmin Connect Courses as tracks for navigation, viewing on map, etc. Plan a course at link to connect.garmin.com.
    Added ability to save FIT track files with more than 10,000 points (now number of points are only limited by memory available on device). Note: Setup>Tracks>Output must be set to 'FIT' only.
    Added Off Course alert (Alerts>Distance>Off Course).
    Added ability to configure the Back button behavior while viewing data pages (Setup>System>Hot Keys>Data Page Back).
    Added ability to set FIT activity type (Setup>Fitness>FIT Activity).
    Added percentage of max heart rate data fields (HR %MAX, AVG HR %, LAP HR %).
    Improved time to save track data. Note: the GPX track format results in large file sizes. For faster save times, additional storage space, and if track navigation, etc. is not required for the track being recorded, please consider setting Setup>Tracks>Output to 'FIT'.
    Improved compatibility of FIT files with some 3rd party websites.
    Improved display of distance data fields to show additional precision after 10 miles/kilometers.
    Improved calculation of ascent/descent data.
    Improved display of speed data field when greater than 100mph/kph.
    Fixed issues with display of grade data field.
    Fixed issues with displaying all tracks in the Tracks list.
    Fixed issues with back button usage in Map pan mode.
    Fixed issues when downloading chirp data.
    Fixed issue with Tone settings not being used properly when displaying the low battery message.
    Fixed issue with backlight that could result in decreased battery life while in watch mode.

    2) Earlier, in a comment I wrote about how sensor working and 'Always on' works. I've received a bit of clarification from the Fenix team on that. Specifically that 'Always On' refers ONLY to what the watch is doing when it's not recording data. In other words, if you've got the GPS off, that's what that setting is focused on. With 'Always on', you're going to burn through batteries in no time. But 'On Demand' means it'll only access those sensors while in that standby mode when you request them.

    To clarify, this does not address the issue of the unit stopping recording of sensor data when GPS signal drops out.

    3) They've also fixed the backend issue that was causing my Garmin Adventures issues (which also affected a small number of others). In turn, I was able to update the review with the Garmin Adventure I created.

    Ok, with that - onto the questions!

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  39. RE: OpenStreetMaps

    Indeed, it's a good option. The only catch is that the Fenix only has about 20MB of space on it, so you have to get the slice of the Openstreet map you want pretty small.

    Hi Anon-
    RE: HR data indoors

    Correct, you'll see the little chart on the watch, but it will not record sensor data if you don't have GPS signal.

    --

    Thanks all!

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  40. toh

    Thanks for the great review!

    Is it at all possible to run with a course map shown on the screen, like with 310XT? I do not like the arrow navigation feature so much. Following the course map is far better navigation for me.

    -- toh

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  41. Thanks for the hugh effort putting together this in-depth review.

    I notice that there are at least the US version and European version of fenix.

    Do you know what are the differences? (I assume difference maps are uploaded into the watch memory?)

    As I am planning some hiking trips to Europe next Spring/Summer, I am curious whether some of the tracking/map functionalities may be lost when hiking in Europe.

    Best.

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  42. Hi Toh-
    RE: Map Course shown

    Yup, no problems there, it's one of the screens always available to you.

    Hi Patrick-
    RE: Euro/US

    I believe the only difference is the power plug. The onboard/inbox maps suck equally for both, and includes just a default basemap. I got mine in the US and the maps were just as bad in Seattle, Vegas, and St. Louis as they were in Norway, Germany, UK, and France. Down the road, I expect Garmin will offer some method to pay extra for maps (or, you can use Openmap as noted above). Translation: No appreciable differences.

    I would think that by next spring the method and means for getting the free map data on the Fenix will probably be much better documented and clearer (hey, perhaps even here!). Today, there are some great instructions written by OR_WATCHING (also a reader here), but it's not quite 100% repeatable (at least, it wasn't for me). I'm sure that'll stabilize soon.

    Hope this helps!

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  43. satellite search is much faster on FW 2.7...

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  44. Anonymous

    Great review as usual.

    The new FW update show that Garmin is providing feature upgrade and not only bug fixes.

    One remark about the .fit files: it will be the 4th version of it: I had my fenix with FW 2.2 and the .fit was similar to other Garmin units and loadable into Garmin Training center. Then came FW 2.4, .fit no recognized anymore by Training Center, in file header it says FIT+. Then FW 2.60, recognized again by Training Center but partially loaded (there is always the last part missing ??). I have to try with FW 2.7. Note that the .gpx is standard and works always and that SportTracks recognizes and read perfectly the .fit generated with all FW version I have tested (so 2.2 -> 2.6, I have to check with 2.7).

    Now one major difference with the review: the battery life of my Fenix with GPS recording enabled in normal mode is very good, it is for instance much better than on my previous Forerunner 610. On other forums, users have the same experience and one user even measured the battery life to 17h with GPS enabled in normal mode only possible difference, this measurement was done with FW2.4, not 2.6.

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  45. Craig

    I am wondering whether it works with a ANT+ cadence-only sensor, or just a combined speed/cadence sensor?

    I know some of the other 'outdoor' Garmins only work with a combined speed/cadence sensor, not a separate cadence sensor. Even though they don't use the speed data anyway.
    A cadence only sensor would be cheaper, and look neater on the bike.

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  46. First of all, thanks for a great in-depth review. I really enjoyed it.

    The region in Germany where I live has some really nice hiking signs along the paths where they also show the height above sea-level so I can compare.

    I think the auto-calibration of the altimeter is cr*p due to changing climate conditions and so on. I prefer to get the Height above sea-level of my starting point via Google Earth. Then I go running up and down the hills and whereever I find a hiking-sign, I compare and retype the altimeter value.

    The values mostly vary between 2m/5m (16ft/32ft). Only once I had a difference of 15m (50ft). Sometimes, the fenix shows exactly the same value as the signs does. It happens more often as the time passes.

    As I bought the watch to show exact ascent/descent values and to participate in Ultrarunning Events.
    After using manual calibration I'm very happy with the values displays. Currently I'm testing battery life as I want to track a full distance 100k Ultrarun. Yesterday the watch sucked 10% of battery life after 2h of running (using HR, GPS, 1s tracking intervalls and frequently starting stopping). If the batterylife is approximatly 20h (of my using) I will be very happy.

    I had a FR305 before I bought the fenix and I knew really well that the fenix is more of an outdoor watch than a running watch so I wasn't that disappointed though I hope that garmin may add some running features.

    Regards from Germany and thanks a lot!

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  47. I must correct: I have intervals on "normal". Now I'm a little confused. what "normal" mean? What time interval is the fenix logging when using "normal" I guess when using "most frequently" it is every second?

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    • jimmy replied

      Orkan, were you able to play with recording settings to get a long enough battery life (say 20-25 hrs) and still get a decent track? I want to buy this watch but if the settings required to get a battery long enough for a 100 miler leaves me with a horrible/inaccurate track then whats the point? thx
      BTW, i wont be using a HR strap so i'm hoping that helps the battery life too.

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  48. JB

    Wow, I REALLY hope that they add support for indoor activities. Winter is approaching fast and I for one will be moving more and more to indoor workouts.

    This device NEEDS to add support for footpod (cad/spd/dist), cycling speed/distance, and heart rate monitoring indoors for general cardio/strength when NOT using the GPS.

    Plain and simple - I don't want to buy a watch that only works outdoors!!! It's too expensive and seems unreasonable that it's crippled by not supporting their lineup of basic sensors in full.

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  49. Hi Ray,
    I posted this comment/question earlier but realized that an answer would go to a little used email address. This post should go to the email that I use daily. Sorry about that!
    My son-in-law put me onto your blog and it is truly an incredible resource. I used it to research before purchasing my Garmin 910XT. I will be 60 this year. Have done 5 marathons, a couple of Olympic Tris, and one half ironman. Now I am embarking on a year long project in hopes of participating in the Florida Ironman 2013. I am using the Garmin to help train. I have one question. It works great when I swim or run but on several bike rides, it has just shut off in the middle of the ride. Sometimes it shuts off several times. The battery is fully charged. It turns right back on but, of course, I lose continuity of the data. The unit just goes blank. Any thoughts on what is causing this?
    Rick

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  50. Anonymous

    One more information about the battery life of the Fenix with the new firmware v2,70.

    Today, I made a bicycle activity with both the Fenix (GPS on, 1s normal mode) and Edge 800 active. The activity last about 4 hours.

    When I started, the Fenix battery showed 99% (battery fully loaded Friday afternoon, Fenix used in watch mode since then), this evening, the battery shows 73%. So the consumption was 26% (27% for more than 48h watch mode and 4 hours GPS active).

    The Edge was fully loaded when the activity started and stopped at the end of the activity. When I plugged it into my computer, the battery indicator showed 75%. SO the activity consumption was 25%.

    Both devices are specified by Garmin for 16h autonomy with the GPS activated. As you can see, the consumption for the same activity was very close for both unit: only 1% difference (with the Fenix always on in watch mode while the Edge was only powered during the activity).

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  51. Hi Ray. Could You update running part of Your review after Garmin soft update? Right now I'm choosing between FR610 (small form) and 910XT (battery >10h + courses) but maybe Fenix is better choice. I'm trail runner (LongSlowDistance addict) but also I love hiking.

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  52. Anonymous

    Hi Ray,

    I would like to order the Fenix through sur link on Amazon in France but it is not proposed :-( Any idea when will it be available on Amazon ?

    Thanks.

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  53. Flying Dutchman

    I got the Fenix two weeks ago mainly for trail running. I'm slowly starting to figure out how it works. I'm still stuck on the following issues:

    - in the standard default setting I can right click through time, compass, altimeter, barometer, temperature and alternate time zones. How can I change/customize these? (Can I?) I've tried but can't figure it out. For example, I would like the sun/moon rise/set data and stopwatch to be one of these fields. If not, how can I add the sun/moon page to my running/hiking profile?

    - how do I set the Ultra Trac to 15 second (or other increments)? This is really important because I'll be running my first 100 miler later this month and a 15 hour finish on normal mode is not going to happen. (or would you suggest keeping it in normal mode but charging the battery along the way with a USB charger?)

    - is there a way to change the volume on the alarm clock setting? I recently used it and slept right through it :(

    - I set an alert for 5% battery life left. I recently ran and the alert went off. Later I learned that it was the default alert at 20%. This tripped me up and I aborted my run reading to save the track because I was afraid to lose all the data. Is there a way to turn off the default battery life alert and just have it on custom?

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  54. Doug B

    Thanks for the review, I love your comments about the various software options Garmin has and their inconsistancy across various offerings. I have been complanining about this lack of a single Garmin-wide feature-set for awhile. In addition to the software inconsistancies you mentioned, it shocks me that Garmin hasn't settled on one charger type, button configuration (the side buttons on the Forerunners scroll up and down, but the menu button scorlls on the Garmin Edge), connectivity type (ANT+ on some devices, USB cable on others). I love the devices but it drives me crazy that if I take my Edge, my 910xt, and my wife's Forerunner 310 somewhere, I need three seperate cables with two different methods of downloading to a computer. Garmin acts like several different companies rather than one large organization with a variety of products meeting different needs... here's hoping your calling them out will start their shift in focus!

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  55. Hi All-

    Thanks for the comments (and for the observations from those who have also tried the 2.70 firmware).

    Onto the questions..

    Hi Craig-
    RE: Speed-only or cadence-only sensor

    Not, it only supports the combo sensors. Same story here (from the same team that brings the other Outdoor units). Would love to see better coverage there.

    Hi Okran-
    RE: Elevation Data

    Appreciate the thoughts and tests that you're doing!

    RE: Normal

    Most frequently appears to be every second, but I don't have a clear table on what happens with the other settings - which is one of my complaints in that the various settings don't have much data to back them up or make actionable decisions.

    Hi Rick-
    RE: FR910XT Shuts off sometimes while on bike

    Yup, it's an issue with the FR910XT - have you updated the firmware? The firmware from June should address this. I'd even guess that you probably have it mounted on your bike, and potentially even with one of the 3rd party mounts...

    Hi Marek-
    RE: Update running portion

    I have already updated the review in response to the 2.70 update - including the running section. At present, for a runner, the FR610 and FR910XT are definitely better options for you, primarily the FR910XT for the longer battery life. Though I prefer the FR610 as a strictly running watch (slimmer).

    Hi Anon-
    RE: Amazon France

    Unfortunately, I don't have any visibility into Amazon France - I wish I did! I know that Clever Training will ship there, but of course you've got the same 19.6% import fee that I have (though their shipping should be relatively cheap).

    Hi Dutchman-
    RE: Customizing profiles

    The first thing you'll want to do is to get into (and/or create) the profile that you want to modify. All modifications apply to whichever profile you've enabled.

    RE: Setting Ultra Trac

    To set that setting you'll set it first for Ultra Trac, and then you'll need to make the recording interval setting less frequent - called "Recording Interval". Unfortunately, I don't know what 'less frequent' is, since they don't provide any specific timetables, but I'd play around with different levels (i.e. every 30 seconds) and see how that improves it.

    RE: Volume on alarm clock

    Hmm, not off the top of my head

    RE: Battery life

    Yup, you can go into the alerts and remove the default 20% alert. I'm not in a place that's handy at the moment, but I do remember seeing that setting on there when I was taking pictures.

    Hope this helps! Thanks all!

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  56. Hello ray great as usual..
    One question as garmin implemented the temp feature in the fenix might it be possible to have the temp in the future as well in the 910 xt

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  57. Jean-Baptiste

    Hi Ray,

    Thanks for all your tests and your work !!! We are a lot of people wanting to know which watch is the best, the Fenix or the Ambit, what is your opinion ?

    Thanks !!

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  58. I guess the new firmware 2.70 still doesn't allow you to directly upload saved files to garmin connect? I didn't have any luck uploading my recent file when I attempted to after updating to 2.70.

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  59. Anonymous

    If Garmin adds footpod support and indoor (non-GPS) HR+footpod recording I'd buy a fenix today.

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  60. Anonymous

    Another great review.
    What are the chances of Garmin incorporating the long battery life into their running watch range?

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  61. Vig

    Another great review.
    What are the chances of Garmin incorporating the long battery life into their running watch range?

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  62. Xin

    How about the resolution during "50-hours" recording. The distance information is very useful during a normal 100K/100M race.

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  63. or_watching

    Hi.
    I see that on Oct5, Rainmaker posted that he could not repeat the Trails map install.
    Well, 2.70 must have reinstalled the original basemap, so that gave me an opportunity.

    Good thing I checked, because tomorrow I'm doing a hike in a place with a crazy maze of trails. My challenge is to not pull out the paper map.

    Anyway, I reinstalled the Northwest Trails map, it worked first time, just as before, described at Watchuseek ABC. Looks great with my Route on top of the trail maze background. (Great is a relative term you realize). I also see that gpsinformation.info succeeded with 100k Topo maps on the fenix.

    So, while I suppose the risk is non-zero, there certainly seem to be options out there for replacing the original fenix basemap with something more useful.

    Good Luck!

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  64. The Lorax,

    GC eats everything I throw at it from fënix, no problems.

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  65. Besides the above feature requests, which I agree with, another handy function for me would be to have one of the customised alerts for a drop in pressure i.e storm warning.

    I'm sure that this is very possible on an upcoming firmware upgrade...

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  66. Anonymous

    Firmware 2.80 is now available.

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  67. Interesting Garmin update on thread re HR dropouts:

    link to forums.garmin.com

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  68. Stephen

    Heads up. Bug in Firmware 2.8: auto save doesn't work for FIT-only activities. (Actually, the bug is present in 2.7 as well.)

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  69. what is the max number of points in a route - I was using a fenix today and it appears to only load part of a big gpx file I have

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  70. Anonymous

    UK Mapping Software for the fenix

    For anyone using the fenix for hill running (or general off-road running) in the UK you can create a route using the Ordnance Survey Getamap software and send it direct to your fenix (as long as Garmin Communicator is installed). It gives you access to 1:25,000 mapping and at £19.00 for a year it's a fraction of the cost of Garmin's Base Camp maps. Once the route is activated on the watch the compass changes heading as you arrive at each waypoint to keep you on track.

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  71. waterproof? I wore mine at the swimming pool (no pressing of buttons at all whilst in water) Not loads of water in it! I will have to send it back!

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  72. That's a bummer, Tom! Pretty sure Garmin will help you out without issues. FWIW I've just returned from a weeks vacation spending at minimum a hour a day in the pool with the kids, no issues wearing the fënix.

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  73. Anonymous

    Hi, thank you for this great review, very interesting !

    There is something that nobody seems to know: what kind of GPS chipset is inside the Fenix ?

    I don't think it's a SIRF chipset.
    Have you information about that ?

    Thanks

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  74. Rick

    Can you ask your garmin people if foot-pod support and more running oriented features are in work or planned for release soon? I'm going to buy a GPS watch for myself for xmas, and right now the fenix is out of the running without those. TIA

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  75. Rick

    That was a quick answer! :)

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  76. hi... i need your help...

    Can i Dive wth the Fenix???
    I understand that no more than 50 mts... 180´

    Or only i can swimm?

    thanks

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  77. Hello
    I really need your help
    I tried my fenix today, for the first time.
    I have used it for a mountain bike session of 5 hours.
    I was in GPS standard mode, with functions needed for mountain bike (speed, distance, ascension...).
    My fenix was 100% charged, but it stopped after just 1.5 hours of trip.
    Is it normal ? According to you, for moutain biking, what are the right parameters to have at least 8 hours of autonomy ?

    A big thank you for your help !

    Cédric

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  78. Anonymous

    Hi Ray! very good review! I returned my Fenix today after one week of testing.. Compared to my old Polar watch this high-tech superdevice isn't reliable at all, at least with regard to the atimetric functions..the displayed vertical speed is cofusing and not right at all and the same goes for the elevation gain..they still have a lot of problems to fix!
    Philipp

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  79. Rick

    So next up on the runner's list, I say we need:

    -> Switch to footpod for distance when GPS signal is lost, AND SWITCH BACK when a new signal is acquired

    -> Intervals

    -> Virtual Racer, or whatever the name is of the one where you race against a previous run

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  80. Rick

    Oh yeah, and this:

    -> Support for the Ant+ stick uploads that the 910xt uses

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  81. 2.9 has been released with footpod support, indoor training support, and seemingly a LOT of fixes.

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  82. Thanks Phil.

    Yup, I updated it the same day it came out with all the new features/fixes. I'd been playing with the update about a week prior so had some time to get that all set.

    What I didn't do is update the very first line of the post (I updated it lower down). Doh! Fixed.

    Thanks!

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  83. Doug Spaeth

    New Fenix user, mainly for hikes and confused about how to start a new hike track and how to delete previous ones. For example, I went out today and could observe altitude, heart rate, etc. in real time, but it looked like the totals were from yesterday and did not change as the Fenix was displaying todays hike.
    Help. Thanks.
    Doug

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  84. Juro

    Update 3.0 out. A bit disappointing - mainly altimeter calibration.

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  85. Juro

    By the way I went out for a ride with both Fenix and FR305 I am using as a bike computer and noticed 2 things: fenix's speed smoothing seems to cause a significant lag in displayed speed accuracy (total distance and average speed are the same) and "average cadence" is different by approx 15-20 (never really understood how average cadence is calculated though - leaving out or including periods with no pedalling?). Also fenix seems to calculate the activity time a bit differently esp. in case of frequent pausing.

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  86. DEJAINC

    Anyone else having calorie counting issues when using it in indoor mode?

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  87. Steve Knapp

    DEJAINC, yup, 5mi run, ~1900cal..

    Not fixed in the 3.0 SW. Hopefully on their list.

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    • Dejainc replied

      Good to know im not the only one. Looking at my FIT history the CAL figures for outdoor use seems within normal range, just indoor it goes crazy.

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  88. Steve Knapp

    3.0 also didn't fix the issues with displaying indoor data "by distance". Works in SportTracks, but not garmin connect or TP. Oh, and any HR under Z1.0 still displays as Z_._, not Z0.9 as on the others.

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  89. taner kirbac

    sync with dailymile.com is not working? any idea why?

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  90. Codrc

    Having just been realeased in the uk, any updates on the running side of things? Have a 910, but battery just not good enough for 100/150 milers. What are the thoughts now 3 months on?

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Yup, I've been updating it as they release updates. Lots of great stuff lately - definitely worth it for 100/150's from a battery and barometric altimeter standpoint.

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  91. Angie

    Oh please help me! I am trying to pick out a gps watch for a Christmas gift for my boyfriend and I have no idea where to start! I have been to MEC, Forerunners, and Atmosphere where I found zero answers to my questions! Thankfully one of the guys sent me to your website...

    He will be using the watch primarily for trail running but I do want to get something with some cool extras. He loves keeping records and tracking and analyzing his progress, and he would be ecstatic to have his own stats laid out on lap top. I literally had never seen a gps watch until today so bear with me...

    The ones that stood out to me were the Nike Sport Watch, a couple of different Polar ones, the Garmin Fenix and FR610, and of course the Suunto Ambit. I am wondering what the major differences are, as no one in the stores seemed to know and the reviews read like mandarin to me! I also noticed the Suunto Core and Quest - I am overwhelmed! I am willing to splurge, but at the same time I don't want to spend $500 on an Ambit if the FR610 is just as good and $200 cheaper.

    Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated - judging by your website you know very well what you are talking about!

    Thanks so SO much,

    Angie

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  92. Angie

    Thought I was sending an email...did not mean to post that here! Sorry :/

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  93. Hey Ray,
    I was wondering, what is your best recommendation for a HR Strap for the Fenix? I can't stand the Garmin Premium strap. I tried it and had massive chaffing issues. (I saw your post about the "band-aid fix", but I was hoping that there might be a better option out there than that) Anybody making a strap that you recommend? Wahoo? Thanks!

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    • Rainmaker replied

      I actually like the Magellan Switch Up HR strap. They do sell it separately. No recurring spiking or dropout problems (very very rarely). And no rippage of my chest.

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    • Anthony Tieuli replied

      Sweet! Ill check it out. Thanks for the quick response!

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  94. Kostantinos antoniou

    I really liked your review ! I will buy it ! I have never seen something like that !

    The depth of the analysis iscgreat ! You should work for them !

    Be well !

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  95. While not documented by Garmin, fenix supports detailed maps. Maps can be transfered in a standard way from Mapsource or BaseCamp. I have created simplified maps for fenix from OSM data, they can be downloaded here:
    link to gmaptool.eu

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  96. Looks like I found my running watch! Based on the most recent update I think it has everything I'd need. I also like to go get lost in the woods so having the extra mapping features and such a huge for me. I never use the virtual pacer or any of the stuff that's still left out so I think you helped make my decision! Great review that I'll be referencing in the future

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  97. Behnam

    As an ultrarunner, I'm using this watch for a month now and what has made me don't like it is mainly because it doesn't show the interval time accurately, but rather it rounds them off to the whole second. This is both in watch display and when you upload the data into garmin connect. I think the primary function of an watch is to measure the time accurately but this one does not?

    Let say my 200 meter interval times are round off to 44.0 or 43.0 seconds, and not 43.xx. This can bring up an huge error when you run lots of laps on a small track (let say if I run 5k or 10k on a 200 meter track, which would be 25 or 50 laps).

    Or is there any setting for that which I may not know?

    Another thing I don't like is you are not able to transfer your data to the computer wirelessly. I think it is possible in 610, if I understand it correctly. This a feature which you deal with it on almost everyday bases while running out the battery on your race day is once a while and you can use a USB battery for those days.

    And, of course, thanks a great review!

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  98. Learn Yee

    Hi DC, I am impressed with your depth of your review, it reminds me a lot when I got my Foretrex 101 many years back.

    What I see from Fenix is Garmin managed to compact many great features into such a small device. But personally, I don't think Garmin will create a units with all the sport premium features of 910XT or point to point routing as other GPSMap or E-Trex, at least for the next few year.

    Maybe in the next few years as electronic technology improves more, someone might be able to create a device with all combined features.

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  99. David

    Hi Ray,

    Did you get any condensation appearing in yours when going from warm environment to cold environment??

    I ask as I have experienced this and garmin's official response was.... "Condensation can appear inside of any electronic device or on any surface when you move quickly from a warm environment to a cold environment where humidity is present. It is often assumed that water resistant devices do not have humidity in them, though this is often not the case. Garmin, like many companies, creates devices with a level of humidity that is most conducive to manufacturing and overall device performance. All electronic devices, not just devices made by Garmin, can experience temporary condensation inside the device."

    Is this normal (I didn't think so)?!

    David

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    • Rainmaker replied

      No, it's not normal. Garmin has spewed that BS above more recently with the FR910XT as well. They now use it as their standard boilerplate response. The reality is, that if you're unit is seeing it you can usually get them to swap it out. Eventually, it'll cause the death of the unit (it almost always does).

      While I do understand what they are trying to say - the reality is that it hasn't been the case for almost every other device they've made, nor is the case for almost every other device on the market.

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  100. Marek

    Hi Ray,

    I wonder what did you mean under a statement: It can ... do 20-minute interval temperature data for up to two weeks at a time. For example, you could attach it out in the wilderness and take temperature readings every few weeks (again, not with today’s firmware, but down the road) ???

    Ability of tempe to work independently from the GPS unit might be a huge adventage (and partly it is - Tmax and Tmin readings), but ... how to get the each 20-minutes readings when they are stored just in internal memory of tempe unit (in case that we do not pair tempe with GPS unit)???
    Is it possible even right now, somehow (how???) or we shall be waitin' for FW update (when???) ...

    Tell me (us) the clue, if you can!

    Regards,
    Marek

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    • Rainmaker replied

      The ANT+ device profile supports using the pod in different ways, but the Fenix unit itself isn't taking advantage of those ways. Right now, Fenix is simply taking current temps (+ the Max temp). But a different ANT+ device could leverage it differently (for example, an App with the Wahoo Fitness dongle could be written to gather data differently).

      Hope that helps.

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  101. Marek

    Thanks Ray,

    I am just curious how did you get this information: 'It can … do 20-minute interval temperature data for up to two weeks at a time.' I looked carefully in manual, but it was nothing about 20-minute interval readings....

    Is it just your suspicion or some test were made by You?

    All the best!

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    • Rainmaker replied

      I had a talk with the ANT+ development team behind it. :)

      It's also documented within the ANT+ Device Profile (Temp Device Profile). Keep in mind Tempe is just a Garmin branding for a standard ANT+ Temperature Sensor device. So anyone can make one and/or integrate with it (i.e. Suunto or an iPhone app).

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  102. Hope this pic helps in calibrating the compass -

    link to wang.garminshop.biz

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  103. mike miller

    Thanks for the great reviews. Four questions. 1) Does the Fenix work with Garmin Training Center? TC show the Fenix as a device, says its uploading data, but then doesn't. 2) Is it possible to change the font, or the thickness of the font, on the Fenix. I would prefer thicker numbers. 3) When I press stop at the end of a run it says pause. Does that mean stop? 4) Can you change the alert tones making them louder, longer or different. Sorry about all the questions. Keep up the good work.

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  104. Mowses

    Hi Ray,

    thanks for all the good reviews.

    I do have a question regarding the fitness functions of the fenix. Taking only the sports functions into account what would be the most comparable Forerunner? The FR 10, 110 or maybe the 210?
    Thanks a lot!

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    • Rainmaker replied

      It's tough. Looking at the running-only segment. It'd say it's actually probably closest to the FR10. Not a perfect fit, but fairly close. The FR210 does intervals, which the Fenix doesn't. And the Fenix supports footpods, which neither the FR10 or FR110 do.

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  105. gpearl

    After having many issues with the prior software versions (seems like Garmin is mistaking customers for beta-testers...) my fenix has started fogging up inside whenever there is a change in temperature. For a €400 watch that is promoted for outdoor use this is ridiculous! Seems like I am not the only one (which is no consolation): link to fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net

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  106. Juro

    Mine started to fog as well, so far it's not a deal-breaker (disappears after 1-2 mins and happens occasionally only) but will definitely keep an eye on the issue... btw judging from a few discussion boards it seems Garmin is replacing the units that start fogging excessively?

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  107. Nikko

    Hello,
    Can you view your current GPS coordinates? Which format are they displayed in?

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Yes. I typed them all out above, under the section titled "Position formats are as follows"

      Enjoy!

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  108. Flint

    Hi Everyone, I have recently found this site (apologies if you already now about it) for Fenix maps. For those unaware of the site, these guys have done what can only be described as an AWESOME job of creating maps of the worlds countries, down to street level for the Fenix...

    link to gmaptool.eu

    Enjoy!

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  109. mike miller

    Help! Help! Help! Either my fenix is a dud or i am missing something. It takes ages to locate satellites and sometimes doesn't at all. Today it didn't find a satellite at all during my 10k morning run (a rather slow 52'10". Some days it takes 40 minutes, some 20, some 10, never less than 5. My 610 never took more than 2 minutes and usually less. should i return it to garmin. This can't be right.

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Hi Mike-

      Are you waiting before you depart to get satellites? If not, that's the problem. Once you start running, it makes it really difficult for the unit to get satellites.

      However, once it establishes it in the same spot once, it will usually pick it up pretty quick (seconds). Additionally, you could try a soft-reset, which may help if there's a hang-up in which satellites it likes.

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  110. Michael Scotti

    Which watch would you recommend for someone that wants to track their skiing... vertical, downhill, weather, and calories burned?

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Fenix would probably be the best watch-focused bet. That or the FR910XT. Primarily due to the barometric altimeter. You could also do the Switch Up, as it has one too.

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  111. Taylor Harris

    The TEMPE foot pod looks cool. Too bad this is not compatible with the forerunner watches. I would like to capture this data preferably in a combined foot pod that does both cadence and temperature.

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  112. Andrew

    Hi,

    Have you ran any of the recent updates? If so, do these updates improve the running functionality of the watch?

    Thanks

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Yes, the November ones have (I've included those updates inline already). The one update that went out on Thursday of this week didn't really change any running-related functionality.

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  113. Curiosity–I just recived an Edge 500 for my bike this Christmas, I love it a LOT. Was also getting into running and "gym" stuff and was contemplating a Garmin watch. From what I could gather the Forerunner 610 is one of the few (I think only one next to the 910xt) that does calorie counts based off of HR alone (as if I'm doing my back excersizes and/or gym work that is all I'll have to go off of). It's based on the FirstBeat stuff.

    Yet at $400 from Costco (with Premium strap and footpod) it's a lot–more than the edge! Would I be better off with the Fenix? I do hike/4x4 and generally love the outdoors. All I want it to do is footpod+GPS for when I run, Footpod + Treadmill, and be able to do calorie counts when working out. I think the Fenix might be a better bet? Swimmable and fact I DONT need cycling? Thoughts?

    I'm going to try my first tri (sprint distance) soon so hence the running, after a herniated disc (only 22.... but yay! not...), havent ran in 1.5 years, so slowly getting back into it.

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    • Phil Macedo replied

      Sidenote size is hard to tell but is the 610 smaller or larger than the fenix? I dont like how the 610 curves "up/down" so in one dimension it's actually longer... It's a bit goofy on me... Like traditional straps a bit better (hence again why i think the fenix might be better).

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    • Phil Macedo replied

      or Ambit, but that's pricer (though looks better from a cosmetic day2day watch standpoint)

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Virtually all of the Garmin devices use HR for calories. Here's how that all works: link to dcrainmaker.com

      For a tri, the Fenix would be better, though really, the FR310XT or 910XT is what you truly want (the 910XT would give you similar functionality to the Fenix).

      The FR610 is definitely smaller than the Fenix.

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  114. Georg

    Garmin has admitted that the fogging issue is due to a design flaw: link to blog.heartratewatchcompany.com

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  115. How to run an Ultra with Garmin Fenix: If running an ultra with the Fenix and the 16+ hours on standard settings isn't enough (every 15secs isn't frequent enough if you're running, the standard gives GPS fix every 1sec), get a lightweight battery charger (eg. for iPhone). I have a 73g cylindrical charging battery from Warren Buffet's BYD that cost me equiv. USD80 here in China. I think Amazon US sells something similar. The Fenix's USB charging bracket fits quite comfortably (even on my tiny wrists) and the Fenix operates without interruption when charging. Grabbing branches, trees or stair railings. Was not a problem when I ran the Hong Kong Vibram 100 on trails with 4,500m in elevation. Tape up the cable to your arm if the course runs through bushes and pack the battery into the front of your bladder pack or into pouch. The Fenix continues to operate when you stick in the USB battery charger and charges at a rate of about 1% every 2.5mins. Before race, suggest you practice running+gear and putting on and taking off while fatigued. FYI: after 5:43 of running with GPS (normal settings) and Barometer "On" I still had 69% (no +ANT Footpod, HR monitor or Temperature sensor). I ran in 15-18C. If colder, depletion could be faster. This curve shows Fenix battery depletion to be quite linear: link to forums.watchuseek.com

    I would recommend starting race with USB bracket on your wrist (to avoid hassle of putting it on when tired) and taking it off when you've got enough juice to finish. Then dump the bracket and battery in your mid-point drop bag. Of course, if you're doing a +30 hour race and need a 2nd charge, then keep the battery and cable in your pack.

    Beware of accidentally stopping the Fenix's GPS (if you have the default "auto save tracks" as "On") when taking the watch and charging equipment off and on. The buttons on the Fenix are relatively soft vs. Garmin FR70. I suggest taking off the watch at a Checkpoint, placing it on a quiet table and then removing the wires & battery to prevent a turning GPS off or a reset of some kind.

    A good watch, but some caveats:
    - If your daily running route is amongst tall buildings 30m apart, like I do in Beijing (when it's not smoggy), your measured route on the Fenix will "zig-zag" and you'll appear to be running at Kenyan pace.
    - It can take a while to get a GPS fix on this watch (was consistently slower getting a fix than my friend's 310XT). Do it at least 15mins in advance of a race start and try to stand in as open an area as possible. If you don't get the fix within 3-4mins, turn GPS off and then on again. Otherwise, you may not record a chunk of your race.
    - Probably don't want to use it as your every-day watch because the battery will deteriorate over time and will need to be replaced by a Garmin technician.

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  116. richard fraser

    Hi

    thanks for the fantastic fenix reviews. I agree; great products, but very difficult to use, get support for, and troubleshoot ...

    I'm interested in these comments in your review; "For example, the ability to have the hold up key start the timer. While the hold down key could be set to create a lap marker (my configuration). The only challenge with this is that you’ve gotta actually hold the button down for two full seconds before a lap marker is set, which may be odd at first."

    You talk about "my configuration". How did you set up a GPS marker as a lap marker point? I think that's what you are referring to in your review, but I cannot figure out how to set this up on my fenix (and do need that feature) - could you please publish a 'step by step how to' on setting up a gps lap marker as you show in your photo above...?

    thanks

    RF

    Reply
  117. Marcos

    Hi,

    Nice review!
    I wonder how come Garmin´s manuals are so poor.
    My contribuiton to you guys is this webpage that shows several Fenix screens as well the meaning of each field link to tramsoft.ch
    Also I find worth to mention that having to enter user info for each profile is a PIA.
    Not to mention you got to do the same when configuring data pages: Tracking, Indoor and Navigating. One config. for each mode...
    I´m still a litte bit confused about the difference between some fields:
    distance x track distance . Assuming that odometer is the summ of several tracks(activities) before general reset.
    Starting an activy is also trick because you are never sure if it happened or not. And the watch feedback is different when indoor ou wih GPS...
    Fenix could also have a small icon showing wich profile you are at.
    Thank you all.
    Regards.

    Reply
  118. Felipe

    Hi,

    Thank you for your great review.
    I am a marathoners and I currently own a FR610. I am very disappointed with the quality of the unit since only after a few months it has corrosion on the back, the strap pin falls out and the buttons seem to be falling apart (I am very careful, but I wear it daily)

    Looking at the Fenix, it looks like a nice replacement, specially since I like hiking too. Now that the recent updates take care of the watch main flaws it looks even better.

    Now, I have a tanita BC1000, is the Fenix compatible?
    Would you say that this watch is built better than the FR610?

    Thank you,

    Felipe

    Reply
  119. Marcos

    Hi,

    I went today for a mountain biking ride and the HR doesn´t show all the time when in Ultratac mode...
    is this normal?
    Running 3.1

    Regards,

    Reply
  120. Fred Wekx

    Hello

    From over here the Netherlands a small complain about the Fenix.

    It seems that the waterproof of it is not good . mine goes back 4 times to repair afther a normal swimming water goes insight .
    It seems if you look on the Internet many other users of the Fenix have the same problem .

    Also iff you contact Garmin about this complain they not respond on it . So did they solve the problem in the production or not ? .

    With kind regards
    Fred Wekx / Netherlands

    Reply
    • Andy replied

      Fred,

      They did fix the issue. They are currently testing a new waterproofing method and the fenix should be back in production Feb 15th. I just ordered a new fenix and the company had already returned all their old stock while waiting for new and improved models.

      -Andy

      Reply
    • Georg replied

      THE FOGGING-UP-ISSUE IS STILL NOT FIXED!!!

      I received my replacement on Friday last week (s/n 47,767). Went on a skitour on Sunday. When I started the fenix was underneath my jacket's sleeve. When I first looked at it approx. 1 hour later it was fogged up again...

      I contacted Garmin support for Austria today and they told me that my replacement was from the new batch which supposedly shouldn't have the fogging issue anymore - haha, my ass! They were clueless, too....

      They proposed another replacement but I don't see the point as they obviously haven't resolved the problem. Hence I will send it back to the shop where I bought it and will get the Suunto Ambit instead. Never had any problems alike, not even with a Swatch.

      link to fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net

      Reply
  121. Marcos

    Hi Guys,

    You find bellow a deeper explanation of Ultratac mode given by Garmin support personal.
    Notice that they contradict themselves on regarding the HR showing constantly.
    In my tests HR does not show constantly when on Ultratac mode.
    Also, I still have some doubts about the field "TIME" being or not affected by Auto-Pause and/or Ultratac because in other products and apps Garmin has even change the naming to "Elapsed Time" to differentiate it from TIME.

    " Thank you for the clarification. I did some more research and the UltraTrac mode does override auto pause and in effect is it's own auto pause. So as you record the track (One sample every minute) if you stop, the Ultratrac will kick in effectively stopping the recording and turning off GPS. The "Time" will be the total time from when the track was started until you stop and save the track. The "MovTime" is the amount of time the UltraTrac recording was "On" while you are actually moving. The "Distance", and "Track Distance" will be relatively the same unless you have some other route or navigation to a waypoint going. The odometer is a running total of distance traveled until you reset the odometer. The heart rate should still display and record while in UltraTrac mode although it is not the most effective way to get heart rate data. If you are using a heart rate monitor and don't need to worry about conserving battery life I would recommend using it with UltraTrac off. This way you will get a continual reading and accurate averages, as well as being able to use the "Auto Pause" feature. "

    Regards,

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  122. Joy

    Hi guys,
    Planning an island peak trek + climb next year. Thinking of taking Fenix with me. But given the battery life and how expensive it is to buy charging the watch in Himalayas I am wondering if anyone tried a solar charger and which one is the best for Fenix?

    Reply
    • Andrew replied

      I have used the goal zero charging system. It works really well and is extremely durable. I would recommend these and you can attach the panels to the outside of your pack as you hike. The panels can charge an external battery pack while you hike. And while you sleep you can hook the battery pack to whatever you need to charge (ie the watch).

      PS the battery pack has a usb port to plug your charger into.

      Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      Yup, like Andrew I've used other systems. I've used the Garmin branded one, which is just OEM'd from someone else. Works reasonably well.

      Reply
  123. Steven

    What do you think DC of the Fenix VS the 910XT for someone who runs, bikes, but also hikes, ski tours, and climbs. The fenix seems more targeted as an all-rounded, but you don't seem to positive with the fenix as a run/cycle watch.

    And do you think down the road the virtual pacer/racer will be added to the fenix?

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      Hmm. If you mostly run/bike, then I'd go FR910XT. If you mostly run/hike/climb/ski, I'd go Fenix.

      If you split them evenly, that's a bit tougher. It comes down to whether or not you'd use FR910XT functionality like advanced bike metrics, or on the trainer. Or, whether you'd use running features like intervals or Virtual Pacer/Racer.

      I could see them eventually adding new Fenix functionality, given the new functionality for skiing they added yesterday - but I'm just not 100% convinced we'll see all the typical running features ported over.

      Reply
  124. Cole

    I know this is a loaded question but here we go:

    Based on overall reliability, stability , performance, accuracy , functionality, over-all-good experience etc etc etc, would you choose the Ambit or the Fenix?

    Note I should have prefaced this with "if money weren't an object and the watch's use would include everyday wear, hiking, running, skiing, camping, etc. (kinda like an all around use type of feeling)

    Thank you for your in depth reviews and for going above and beyond what anyone else would do!

    Cheers

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      Overall, I'd go FR910XT because of the swimming and cycling aspects that the Fenix lacks.

      Reply
  125. ray

    Hate to ask the same question others have asked but I'm getting confused on all the things fixed through their updates....I have a Forerunner 410 I love, works awesome for me for biking and running. Do you think the FENIX is a good upgrade for me...I'd be using for running, biking (mainly road, some trail) and hiking (days at a time), I DON'T use the "virtual" features of the Forerunner or the interval feature much. What do you think? Thanks so much for all your time and hard work, you are my goto for reviews!!! -Ray

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      Hi! Based on your requirements that you don't worry too much about the virtual or interval features, then I'd say you're definitely more aligned to the Fenix.

      The only other item I'd note (may not be an issue) is if you use the Fenix indoors on a bike trainer with an ANT+ speed/cadence sensor, as the unit doesn't have a way to specify the wheel size. Other than that, I think the Fenix is probably a much better bet for you than the FR410.

      Enjoy!

      Reply
  126. Marcos Saad

    Hi Rainmaker,

    Despite of your excellent work in reviewing Garmin hardware I have to say I feel we are missing a discussion of the most important feature for a serious athlete : to be able to analyze your data. And in this area Garmin Connect simply sucks!
    I wish I had read about that before buying a fitness Garmin product.
    Compared to Polar Precision or ProTrainer Garmin is nothing.
    Not a single chart of accumulate time in the HR zones???
    How do you guys handle that????

    Thank you,

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      Most folks simply use free 3rd party products - such as the free versions of Training Peaks, Sport Tracks or others.

      I think if you compare vendor-provided products between Garmin and Polar, you'll largely find them a wash. Polar's website is beyond laughable, and Garmin's website is limited for most advanced users. Polar's desktop client is much better for most advanced users, but like Garmin's desktop suite, it's well past its prime.

      Both companies get away with it because they know users are going elsewhere. But both companies have also had a bit of a wakup with Strava, especially over the past few months, in the realization that Strava means users don't care about devices anymore - and once that starts happening, the next step is moving towards using phones - putting Garmin and Polar out of business.

      Reply
  127. Marcos Saad

    Hi,

    The free part of Training Peaks it´s worthless once all TIME in … HR Zones , Speed Zones, etc, are only available in the PREMIUM version that costs $100 a year…
    I haven´t check STRAVA yet but my suspicious are that it will be the same…
    Even the free Polar software version allows you to analyze accumulated time in HR ZONES.
    Any other idea?

    Thank you,

    Reply
    • Gunnar Christensen replied

      I have to agree with you that having been a long time Polar user, the one thing I missed when switching to Garmin products (and then using Strava and Garmin Connect) is the accumulated time in HR zones. It was really helpful to look at a weeks training and see the bar graph at the end of the last workout day and how hard your week was.

      I have since pulled the trigger on a Strava premium membership. Since I now use the Stages power meter, I find the power analysis on Stava is pretty good. I tried Training Peaks and never could get into the groove with it.

      Reply
  128. Paul Sheraton

    Great Review I love the site! im a keen mountain biker but have recently got into running ive spent hours looking at reviews as im looking for something I can use for both. Something I need is a device that I can upload GPX to routes too to use for navigation.

    I dont really want to have to buy two devices but I may have too I would like to think the most I would spend is about £400 any suggestions?

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      As a mountain biker, you may be better off with something like the Edge 800/810, than the Fenix. The Fenix will provide basic navigation, but you're not going to get some of the trail/topo type detail you'd get out of the Edge 800/810.

      But, as a runner, that does put a kink in things. If you don't mind breadcrumb, then Fenix may be your best overall bet.

      Reply
  129. Marcos Saad

    Hi Guys,

    Problem solved : link to goldencheetah.stand2surf.net

    Free software that allows us to see time spent per HR Zone per period.

    Regards,

    Reply
  130. Nikhil

    Hi,

    Thanks for the extensive review. Any recommendations on strapless heart rate monitors watches?
    the ones which can be like regular watches but giving out pedo functions, HRM, Steps, distance, calories, laps, GPS, connectivity and other workout options ??

    thanks
    Nik

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  131. cesar scarambone

    hello brother! I have a fenix. i'm having some problems to aqcuire the satelites when i'll run. every time I stop a the same spot to stretch, and while i'm stretching I wait to have the satelites. but sometimes it takes 5 minutes, sometimes more than 10 minutes to start, sometimes it bothers me and i start to run without the satelites. I already read here in an asnwer that once you strart to run, it gets more dificult to get the satelites (i didnt know that). but do you have any other tip to get it? I dont know, maybe start and stop the satelites few times in order to get it.....
    regards,
    cesar

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      Hi Cesar - Just to clarify, are you letting the unit get 100% satellite coverage before you start/move?

      Reply
  132. cesar scarambone

    I press the start buttom, and wait until the circle around the watch gets complete, wich i believe that says that it gets 100% of the satellite... but sometimes , to complete that circle it takes a lot of time.....

    regadrs,
    cesar

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      Yeah, it sounds like you've got full satellite - and then it loses it. Something's wrong. I'd first try resetting the unit (beware, might lose data, so upload everything first). And if that doesn't fix it, I'd ring up Garmin support - as it's definitely not at all normal.

      Reply
  133. Jorge

    Good review

    BUT THERES SOME CONFUSING ISSUES ABOUT ALTITUDE AND BAROMETRIC MESUREMENT

    Nowadays all of the brands are saying that barometric its Better and accurate To mesure the altitude than GPS satelites
    THIS IS FALSE
    The barometric pressure its not stable because changes during the day due To climatic changes on the flow of mass of air, its normal To happen.
    A low pressure Zone could came into a anticiclone ( high pressure Zone), or the opposite.
    This means that you can Be close to the sea (0 mts)= (1013mbar) and if your barometric device capture a LOW mass of Air coming ( depression) the result its going To Be a negative altitude...such as -45 mts( example). The same could happens in the mountains or else wHere; in one precise time you could be at an altitude of 1000 mts = 878 mbar , and even without moving From that particular place, if a low pressure air area arrive on the that zone, the altitude on the watch is going To change....even without moving.

    The BEST way for mesure altitude is using GPS satelites.

    Reply
    • ifor replied

      This is just an issue of getting the inital altitude setting correct. Any reasoneable barometric solution with a gps will at the least calibrate from an inital gps reading. you can get more sophisticated and calibrate from a settable home position so as to eliminate the inital gps altitude error. A phone based app system sould do an online lookup to get an inital altitude.

      Once in use the advantage of the barometric system is that you get very good relative data that enables you to get a good stats for total climb etc. For long workouts there is potentialy an issue with drift during the workout due to weather changes. A straghtforward linear adjustment from an end point calibration can be used to compensate for this if you realy are worried about the absolute altitudes.

      Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      Ifor's correct. For mountain areas, using GPS-based barometers really is pretty ugly. As he noted, almost all units on the market today utilize GPS correction for the initial reception (or just manual setting).

      I can show chart after chart of just how bad GPS-based altimeter data is when elevation corrected. It's really bad.

      Reply
  134. Jorge

    First of all, i just bought my Fénix after reading this article/post.
    And this is the best post that I have seen
    talking about the Fénix.
    By anyhow I Don't want To change the topic...i am Happy with my Fenix ;)))
    But since I am a lifetime user of GPS and barometric pressure devices (that we used To knock with our fingers To adjust the pressure) i think its usefull a little explanation on barometric issues.

    I am a luky guy that live just At 100 mts from the sea. Allmost all of my Life I have Been using GPS devices (when they still wore like a brick) for sea navigational purposes ( sailing and boat cruises). Also i have been using the barometric old boxes To predict the weather. In my mounteneering frequent trips I started to used long ago the GPS devices. In my recent activity (Trail running) also need it.
    And what i want To mean with this?
    Well, the Fénix or other device is made for Going in aventures that Will Take some time that spend some hours, in places with micro-clime temperatures, humidity...and frequent subsquent changes in the mass of Air above us. The tax of pressure variation with altitude its not constant: around sea level, pressure Get dow 1 hpa (hectopascal) at each 8,5 meters, At 5 kms, the same pressure
    (1hpa) its equivalent To An altitude of 15 mts.

    All of this: changes of Air pressure and mass of air, also humidity, temperature, winds (all of this frequent To happen in a Fénix Outdoor activity) makes Big diferents barometrics changes that Will produce enormous mistakes and errors in altitudes mesures.
    In my long date activities i only used Barometric pressure to forecast the upcomming weather ... And changes.
    Use this in mountains To mesure altitude its risky and dangerous.... and much more if you are orientering in bad weather with low visibility ( fog, rain, night) and you need To have precise data.
    My advive, that i do for my long training days in Trail running, that I need To Know the positive gain...its Gps mesurement. And that I can test if its correct because i live just by the sea level. Its not Allways precise, but its further better than barometric altitude mesurement.

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  135. cesar scarambone

    hello again, i dont know what happened today after running 10km, went to the pool with my children i was playing with the fenix (already dried) and it just stop to work, it just died. doesnt turn on anymore i've already tried to reset it and nothing happen. do you have an idea of what can I do about it?

    regards,
    cesar

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      Eek, not good.

      I'd definitely ring up Garmin Support at this point and have them swap it out for you. Shouldn't be an issue.

      Reply
  136. Cesar scarambone

    It came back to life... acctually it turned on after i reeboot it, and happened again the intersting is that it freezes when i try to acces the "Fit History" the it turn off, and after few time i do a reboot and it turn in again. Then when i try to go to the Fit History again, it freezes again....

    Regards,
    Cesar

    Reply
  137. Marcos Saad

    Sorry Rain, but...

    Before the Fenix I was a happy Garmin customer… (Street Pilot, II plus, 76, 60Csx, Montana 650).
    Besides my own I keep reading others problems and just cannot understand how Garmin manage to have such a lousy product.
    I´m seriously considering to give up and return to Polar…

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      Out of curiosity, what specific problems are you seeing?

      Reply
  138. Marcos Saad

    Hi Rain,

    First of all thank you for asking.

    In order of importance

    1) Calories count:
    a. Even with 1s time interval setting calories are always lower than expected by general sense. Worst when compared with my previously Polar life (625x).
    b. When Mountain Biking, because of batteries, I do not leave with 1 sec interval. I´ve tried several configurations but the calories count gets worst and worst if you choose Most often, Normal and Ultratac, in this order.
    c. Things get even worst if you are Navigating. Fenix gets lost on the HR recording and calories count. 113 calories for a 4,5h ride with AVG HR of 138bpm? During the ride HR was normal ( not disconnect as stated by Garmin support) because I keep a look on it all the time…
    2) Freezes when changing profile. Happened 2 times. I could not even reboot the unit… Then suddenly after X amount of time it was back to normal but lost all configuration of the profile I was coming from…
    3) And what Garmin support does is ask you if you have the latest firmware, and to reboot the unit. For God Sake.

    What really pisses me off is that they know how do it ( look others products…) and screw all that up on the Fenix and worst, assume a denial posture always suggesting that you should be doing something wrong.
    And we well know this ain´t true. It´s a matter of just listen what several of us are saying in the forums…

    Calories count and average heart rate CAN NOT be dependable of “interval” configuration or if you are Navigating or not but if so they should EXPLICITE state that in the manuals. The way it looks today is that only the “recordings” is affect…
    Otherwise “Ultratac” and similar configs are worthless for back countries activities , ultra marathons, and even long multi day hiking where you do need to manage your calories expenditures / intake…

    My best regards,

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  139. Marcos Saad

    Hi guys,

    Unfortunately I have just found another glitch in the Fenix.
    If you were NAVIGATING in a one way back and forward track(or course) all the data related to that will be compromised ( ETA, ETE, FINAL DISTANCE, BEARING, TWO MARK POINTERS, etc).
    It seems that instead of following the sequence of trackpoints loaded from a file he gets lost among the out(forward) trackpoints and the in(back) trackpoints causing it to keep jumping between them, I guess trying to head the nearest one instead of following the pre-determined path.

    Regards,

    Reply
  140. Marcos Saad

    Hi guys,

    Hi guys,

    This Saturday I´ve just found a huge bug in the Fenix, and the most dangerous…
    After downloading the activity I realized it only recorded trackpoints of the last 10K of a 24k ride.
    Total distance and time were correct so it was not a lost satellite reception nor any accidental activity reset or something similar.
    It simply didn´t record any data until a certain point.
    In practical terms if I need a TRACKBAK I would be in trouble.
    So be advise that by today´s firmware 3.10, the Fenix is not a reliable instrument for unknown rides, such as backcountry hiking and MTB.
    For an ABC wach this is the end...

    Regards,

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      Just to clarify, are you saying there's no data at all when you look at the track?

      Something definitely sounds wrong with your unit. As I did some pretty long tracks with it, and have never seen issues where chunks were missing.

      Reply
  141. Marcos Saad

    Hi,

    It exactly what I said. The first 14Km were missing.
    Garmin has asked me to upload the 3.16beta... let´s see how it goes.

    Regards,

    Reply
  142. Marcos Saad

    Hi guys,

    just an update.

    As far calories count 3.16beta still sucks…see my ride number from today.

    Road Cycling Moving Time: 1:49:11
    Avg Moving Speed: 27,7 km/h
    Calories: 696 C ??????

    As far the missing track points I´ve just found 3 files in the Archived folder that for some reason were auto archived. Let´s hear from Garmin...

    Regards,

    Reply
    • FenixUser replied

      Had the very same problem. Got a standard exchange.

      Reply
  143. Cristian

    Hi,

    I have a few short questions on this watch:

    1. Is the screen black & white or it can display colors? I saw a few photos with grey & brown dots (some map). If it is a color display, how many colors can it display?

    2. Can the firmware be officially downgraded as well? (eg. the watch has 3.10, I upgrade to 3.16, but I find 3.10 to be better so I wish to go back to 3.10). If so, the downgrade process is different in any way from the regular upgrade process?

    3. I seen the GPS module of the watch has a different firmware number. Is this upgradable/downgradable as well? If so, is it a different process?

    4. I read a lot of post about people complaining that profiles can be modified by endless menus on the watch itself. Is it possible to do it offline, on the computer, then upload it to the watch? (I can manage text files, XML, binaries only with the corresponding editor). If so, what are the actual steps?

    5. Did anyone manage to actually replace the internal battery of the watch (I know it is a re-chargeable one, but I do not wish to pay 150 euros for something that might end-up to be a trivial Lithium accumulator I can purchase myself)

    Thanks a lot!
    Cristian.

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      Hi Cristian-

      1) Black and white. Any color seen is merely a photographic variation thing.

      2) I don't know if the official process supports downgrading, but Garmin always has ways to downgrade units with support.

      3) The GPS module is capable of firmware updates as well. Happens via the Garmin Updater if/when it occurs (one occured for me during beta a while back).

      4) You can modify the XML files offline, but there's no seperate Garmin tool to do so. I'm not aware of anyone writing one either.

      5) No way to change out battery, like almost all GPS watches on the market today.

      Cheers-

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  144. Asaf

    Can someone please explain how to activate the new -"Added Indoor data page loop to profiles" feature in the 3.16 update? Can't find it anywhere...
    Thanks!

    Reply
  145. Stephen Crocker

    I can't find any figures for battery life when not using the GPS (the Suunto Ambit reports 30 days). Are there any similar figures for the Fenix?

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      Hmm, not off-hand, though for some reason I thought it was 4-6 weeks. I've asked the Garmin Fenix team to put together a fairly comprehensive battery life/settings combination page - and they seemed open to doing that and realized it made a lot of sense.

      Reply
  146. Cristian

    Thanks a lot for the info!!

    I am an IT professional, therefore I try to keep away from beta-quality software & hardware as much as possible, because I know the real meaning of beta.

    However, based on the existing data, what is the development roadmap Garmin has on the fenix, and most importantly, how safe is it to use beta versions of the firmware on the unit itself? Any documented bugs, bug repository to see existing issues?

    Thanks again for your time!

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      Checking out the Garmin Forums are the best way to keep tabs on bugs. Though, like any company forum, it tends to attract only those folks with issues - so that can skew results considerably.

      Reply
  147. Marcos Saad

    Hi,

    Regarding the "Training Indoor" , Indoor page configuration and ON Demand/HR ANT on I also have some doubts.

    1) Let´s say you are in a x profile: does “Training Indoor” overrule the GPS mode configuration whatever it is and show you the configured Indoor pages for that profile?

    The way I did was to have a Watch profile with all ANT sensors off, so when during no activity I can save battery.

    2) In this Watch profile If I turn the HR sensor on, will it consume more battery on the Time page or only when in the HR page view? (like the others on demand sensor)

    Then I have the following additional profiles for indoor activities:
    Strength (also used for Spinning): GPS mode on Indoor, HR ANT on
    Treadmill: GPS mode on Indoor, HR ANT on, Foot Pod ANT on.

    Thank you

    Reply
  148. Hi DC.
    Thanks for a great resource. I'm considering buying a fenix for the Ultrarunning I do, replacing my trusty Foretrex 401. I understand a condensation problem has been fixed recently, so if I order online from, say, Amazon how can I know I'm not going to receive a problem unit?
    Thanks.

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      Going with Amazon it's a bit tough, as I don't have view into inventory there. However, I reached out to Clever Training (where I have a 10% off everything you buy partnership) after your question, and they confirmed that everything in inventory has been there only two weeks, and they also went and manually checked every serial number and all are above 50,000.

      See the links above at the end of the review. Hope this helps!

      Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      And, to clarify, since you're UK based, you can order from CT and they have flat-rate $29 shipping for watches (+ the 10% discount is still valid). Enjoy!

      Reply
    • Rich replied

      Based on what you said in answer to this question (and I base a lot on that, from your reviews, I purchased a 910xt and a Suunto Ambit2) I ordered my new Garmin Fenix from Clever Training. Ordered it July 9, 2013, they shipped it July 12, I received it today July 15 and it is roughly 1500 numbers shy of 50,000. Fenix sn 48xxx is now sitting on my desk. I already feel taken by them. Should I begin to worry they shipped me the oldest one they had in stock???

      Reply
    • Calum Mackay replied

      For reference, I ordered my fenix from Italy.

      Shipped to me 26th June, serial 594xx.

      So does seem yours has been sitting a while, if you got a 48xxx shipping in July...?

      Given the known issues with water getting in, I think it would be a good idea to ask Clever Training about it.

      Reply
    • Ray Maker replied

      Hi Garfield-

      Can you give Clever a ring and see if they'll get it swapped out? Feel free to drop my name, though I don't think you'll have any problems.

      I'll check and see why some older ones ended up there.

      Thanks for the support!

      Reply
    • Ray Maker replied

      Just to close this loop a bit. I reached out to Clever Training, who had already in turn reached out to Garmin on behalf of Garfield.

      Here's what they received back:

      "We stopped all shipments of the Fenix on 12/13/2012 and eventually reworked all Fenix inventory that was on hand or in transit at the time. We resumed production on 2/1 with a serial number break of ###40383, but any unit shipped from Garmin in 2013 – even below that break – has the new front case because it was reworked."

      Thus, he's all good. Hopefully this helps out others as well.

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  149. Marcos Saad

    Hi Guys,

    Good news!

    Garmin tech support sent me a new profile to serve as base and it solved the Fenix´s problem of creating auto files that were automaticly archived in the Archive folder.
    Also, for the first time I got a calorie count that made sense to me but I can´t tell you if it is related to the new profile.
    I did the test in a MTB ride. Now I´ll customize this same base profile to my cycling need and see what happens with the calories count.
    If I also get better calories count I will delete all my current profiles and create new ones using the base profile Garmin sent me.

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  150. scott buchanan

    Garfield Southall (UK)

    Don't want to do anyone out of a sale but I too looked at using Clever Training to buy my Fenix but you need to be careful if your reasoning is to save money. I'm also in the UK (London) and although the BASE PRICE is pretty much unbeatable by UK standards you do need to factor in the postage, import duty, VAT and depending on who Clever use to ship a customs clearance fee as well. Worst case scenario was a delivered cost of £332 compared to the UK supplied one that I bought for £300ish (Performer bundle) or £320 with the Tempe.

    Nice bit of kit but hugely confusing!

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  151. Dan LaFrance

    Ive scoured the internet and I cant find anything for this: Is it possible to simultaneously track and navigate at the same time on the Fenix? When mountain biking, theres many times where you track your entire ride, but want to navigate a new section of trails.

    Thoughts?

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  152. Asaf

    Hi Ray
    Any chance you can explain about the new 3.16 update- does it include screen loop (auto loop, like in the forerunners)? if so, how do you activate this new feature? according to Garmin site they Added Indoor data page loop to profiles.
    Thanks
    Asaf

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  153. Mikko

    Just wanted to stop by and thank you for these superb in-depth reviews you are making!

    I'm very much into mountain biking / hiking / camping and spending time outdoors in general, and now I'm having hard time to decide if I should get Ambit or Fenix as my GPS guide since using my android for this starts to be too unreliable. Having looked into Suunto's new models I'm leaning towards getting the Fenix since I don't really like the way Suunto is going with their product marketing and development.
    Anyway, these reviews have given me great deal of information which I really couldn't have acquired elsewhere, so big thanks once again and keep these great reviews coming!

    -Mikko

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  154. Asaf

    Anybody knows how to reset the odometer? after pressing menu-setup-reset-trip data the odometer stays the same...

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  155. Osvaldo Barbosa

    Hi guys,
    I have just received my Fenix and after reading this in-depth review I have been wondering what's the best software to manage my routes like check them in a complete map with other sensor data. BaseCamp has the not complete map issue and the Garmin Connect requires internet connection but if you are off road you might not have internet around. So is there any software (garmin or not garmin) that can be a definitive way to manage my routes data?
    Thanks

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      Basecamp can be complete if you purchase the maps (or grab via Openstreet), which is probably the best method for offline use.

      Reply
  156. Chris Roy

    Hey everyone,

    A pretty basic question I know, but am I missing something or is there a way to set an hourly alarm like on a Timex Ironman? It's a nice reminder over the course of a day and the vibrate-only feature is an added bonus since it wouldn't disrupt things such as a meeting.

    Thanks.

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  157. Well, three weeks my wife and I took delivery of our fenix Performer sets . We bought them from fit sense.co.uk, who went out their way to get the latest stock from Garmin, and at an excellent price.
    We've used them extensively, and are slowly coming to terms with all the functions and possibilities. I have no hesitation in recommending the device. I still have some queries and will ask them in subsequent questions.
    Thanks again to DCR and all the contributors to this blog.

    Reply
    • Herman Munster replied

      Thanks for the heads up used Fenix price from Fitsense.co.uk at GoOutdoors.co.uk who beat it by 10% as they always do. Go is a big chain with lots of shops so great customer service as well ;)

      Reply
  158. Waypoints & Routes
    I previously used Fortrex 101 and 401 devices and here you create Routes which consist of Waypoints in sequence. I could start following a Route and the next Waypoint would show up as each one was passed as distance left and direction. I can't seem to emulate this. I can see the map, which shows the route as it twists and turns, and shows the waypoints as they approach on the map. The time left to destination applies to the finish of the route, not the next waypoint.
    Finally, I cannot see a list of the waypoints. All I see is Search Near and Search Name.
    I am doing a 100-mile run/walk next weekend and really need to programme the fenix with a list of Checkpoints which change over as I pass each one, with the distance to the next checkpoint clearly visible.
    Can I do this?

    Reply
    • acclaude replied

      DataPage :

      Next Ete
      Next Eta
      Next Dst

      and start following a Route:-)

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  159. Can I change an existing Profile? I'd like to add (eg) the Coordinates data item to the Hiking loop.

    Reply
    • Calum Mackay replied

      My fenix is arriving this week, but from what I read, not only can you change an existing Profile, but a better way may be to:

      1. Mount the fenix via USB
      2. Make a copy of the Profile GPF file with a new name.
      3. Edit that new Profile on the fenix

      I'm sure someone else will confirm; if not, I will update when I've got mine.

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  160. Herman Munster

    I've got the Wahoo Fitness app on my iPhone that will download Ant+ activities off my FR610 and upload to GC/Strava etc. It also has a Bluetooth capability. Anyone know if it can be used with a Fenix OR if this sort of function is in the pipeline? Yes I know that Garmin has this built into the Basecamp App but it can't upload.

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      Unfortunately not. The Fenix doesn't support ANT+ transfers (ANTFS) like the Garmin Forerunner watches do. :(

      Reply
  161. Could someone please help out a confused soul here? I can amend the Data Pages by adding fields etc; that's fine. I can also copy & rename a Profile. But how does that profile know which data pages to use?

    I can't seem to work out how the two are linked.

    Thanks!

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    • I should add that when I edit Data Pages I see groups of Navigating, Tracking & Indoor.
      Inside each are loops of 8 or 9 fields. I'm not sure how these relate to the profile in use.

      Thanks again.

      Reply
    • Ok, more work done today...
      I have managed to add loops to the current profile by putting them in the Navigating Data Pages; they show fine now. So, how would I use the Tracking Data Pages? Are certain Profiles linked to Navigating, Tracking or Indoor?
      So, the final mystery is why the Waypoints don't list. On the Foretrex I could select "GoTo" and then choose from a list of Waypoints, which would then show me direction and distance to that waypoint. How do I do that on the fenix?
      Also, the Waypoints option in the Menu just says Search Name or Show Near. In either case nothing is listed yet the route has 30-odd waypoints.
      Nearly there ...
      Garfield

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    • Calum Mackay replied

      I remember reading this question, thinking about the answer, and then forgetting where I'd read it, so not being able to. So am very glad you posted again, which reminded me :)

      The profile/data pages thing is a bit confusing, being rather over-engineered yet not well documented.

      As you know, a data page is a collection of 1, 2 or 3 data fields displayed together, where the data fields are chosen from a large array of possibilities, plus a few full-screen/with-graph ones.

      These data pages are combined into sets, with the data pages for the "active" set shown in sequence when you use the RHS up/down buttons.

      The fenix has 4 modes of operation, and each mode has its own unique set of data pages. Each set can have as many data pages as you want, I think. Only one set is active at any one time, depending on which mode of operation is in use.

      The 4 modes relate to the GPS state, and they are:

      1. GPS off
      2. "Tracking" - GPS on, not navigating
      3. "Navigating" - GPS on, navigating, e.g. routing to a Waypoint
      4. "Indoor" - GPS set to "Indoor" (Setup - System - GPS Mode)

      Again, each of the 4 modes above has its own set of data pages, through which you traverse using the RHS up and down buttons.

      Mode 1 - "watch" mode - is odd: its set of data pages is not configurable (about the only thing on the fenix which isn't).

      It displays: time, compass, altimeter, barometer, temperature, heart-rate and world-time (the latter only if extra TZ have been configured). You cannot change which data pages are displayed, nor which fields are in each.

      For modes 2, 3 & 4 above, you may configure a separate set of data pages for each, in Setup - Data Pages - .

      Which set of data pages is currently "in use" will depend on whether the GPS is on or off, and if it is on, whether it is set to Indoor or not, and if GPS on but not Indoor, whether you are currently navigating.

      I hope that helps - please reply if I've made anything unclear...

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    • Calum Mackay replied

      sigh, I knew I would forget something...

      ...finally, note that *each* profile defines its own sets of data pages for each "mode".

      You can have a different set of data pages for each of watch, track, nav & indoor, and all that is unique for each profile.

      Then change profile, and set up another set of data pages for each mode.

      This is hugely configurable, and a real pain to do on the fenix itself.

      Fortunately, someone has recently written both a document describing the numerical fields in the profile GPF files, *and* an Excel spreadsheet "profile builder":

      link to forums.garmin.com

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    • Thanks Callum, that's an amazing tool which I'll have a good look at.
      You've helped me sort the Profiles & Data Pages issues out - Thanks again.

      Just the waypoints problem and I'm sorted.

      It's a 100-mile Ultra this coming weekend, so I'll be using the fenix throughout and will report back next week on how I fared with it.

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    • Calum Mackay replied

      best of luck with the Ultra...

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Just a side note to say awesome stuff in this little exchange back and forth. Especially the link to the profile generator. Very cool.

      Good luck as well this weekend!

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  162. Thanks Callum, Rainmaker.

    Just a thought ... If I have the track recording mode set to UltraTrac, does the gps still respond instantly eg when homing in on a waypoint? i.e. it behaves as normal but only writes its location once per minute.

    Not much point having a gps or an UltraTrac mode otherwise.

    Thanks!

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    • Calum Mackay replied

      I haven't tried this, but I suspect it only takes one GPS reading a minute, rather than only writing it to the track once per minute.

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  163. Brandon

    Reading this and the Ambit 2 review, it seems like the Fenix is still the best option if hiking is your primary activity. Does that align with your experience?

    Have you heard any whispers about a Fenix 2? What's Garmin's release cycle been like? I'm trying to figure out if now is a good time to buy or not.

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Garmin typically has a 2-year release cycle. This summer would be one year from announcement, though units weren't really available until late August/September.

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  164. Matth

    Hi,

    Great review, as always!
    I'm just wondering, do you have a certain 'time scale' in mind until they add the workout and interval functionality as seen in other Garmin products? Do you even think they are planning on bringing it to the Fenix?

    Thanks!

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    • Rainmaker replied

      I don't have any details on their plans and whether or not they decide to add anything more to Fenix. I'd hope they'll respond to Suunto - but whether that happens in further Fenix firmware or something else down the road, I just don't know.

      Reply
  165. Calum Mackay

    new firmware out: v3.40

    link to www8.garmin.com

    Changes made from version 3.30 to 3.40:

    Added full support for GSC 10 Speed/Cadence bike sensor to allow calibration and display speed (options found under Setup > ANT Sensor > Bike Spd/Cad, Setup > Fitness > Bike Speed)
    Added 'UTC (24 hr)' option to alternate time zone list. This option displays UTC time in 24-hour format regardless of system settings
    Added support for 'Alt. Zones' to become a data page option

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    • Michael replied

      Could we get some review for the GSC 10 Speed/Cadence sensor? How does it work on Fenix? Thanks!

      Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      As Calum noted, they just added full support for the ANT+ Spd/Cad sensor. When I get home next week I'll poke around a bit at it and try to update the relevant sections. Thanks!

      Reply
  166. Asaf

    Anybody knows where do you enter wheel circumference for distance now with the new update (3.4)?
    Thanks!

    Reply
    • joerg replied

      wheel circumference can be set under Setup > Fitness > Bike Speed > Calibration > Manual
      There is an automatic calibration mode too, but I I didn't found out how it works (I expected it would work the same way as the Edge).

      I haven't found any settings yet that allow to record distance, only speed and cadence works.

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  167. Asaf

    thanks joerg
    unfortunately, in my watch at least, wheel circumference can not be set under Setup > Fitness > Bike Speed > Calibration > Manual
    since when you reach "bike speed" there are only 3 options: off, indoor and always on...
    any clue why is that?
    my garmin firmware is 3.4

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    • joerg replied

      Hi Asaf,

      sorry I was wrong. wheel circumference is under Setup > ANT Sensor > Bike Spd/Cad > Calibration > Manual. I think the 3 options "off", "indoor" and "always on" are used to control how the bike speed sensor is used:

      Off : not used at all
      indoor: speed is taken from the bike speed sensor.
      allways on: I did not try it. But I think speed is taken from the sensor although speed could be calculated from GPS. You can try it if you switch on GPS, stay where you are. If you turn your wheel where your sensor is placed and speed rises, speed is taken from the sensor.

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  168. Asaf

    Thanks! now working! (can see speed and calibrate the wheel size)

    ...But for some reason only speed and cadence working, while distance stays the same (zero), and lap speed seems to be independent of the speed/cadence... goona try to work it out later...

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  169. Joe Jet

    Awesome review! It's unbelievable what this piece of equipment can do.

    I was ready to order one until I read that it will not autolap based on position. Please tell me this has been added or fixed in a firmware update. I want to use the Fenix to keep track of lap times while riding and racing motocross. It needs to be able to provide laptimes automatically every time I pass the finish line.

    I am a pilot and the other functions such as automatically adjusting the time based on GPS position is very useful.

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  170. Larry Michienzi

    Great reveiw! thanks for taking the time!

    I love gadgets!! I also love training with data. I was one of the first people in my area to use a powermeter.

    Here is the question I have though. I do a lot of outdoors stuff. Climbing and some general adventuring stuff. These sports are really my focus! I train for this by running mostly and climbing specific training. I'm not really interested in competitive running per-say but I do like to push myself and monitor my improvement.

    Would it be better to buy the fenix or another garmin running specific watch?

    I should also mention I really like the look of this watch:)

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  171. Ewegene Tan

    Q - whilst setting my fenix on ultratrack to prolong the battery lifespan am I able to know the pace and distance I m doing at the time of use? I am asking this bcos this morning when I was out doing my runs, my fenix does not let me know my pace and distance(it only show me the time of my activity) like it use to when I set the gps mode on normal. Is this normal or what cld I have done wrong in my setting?

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  172. KOSTANTINOS

    After 6 months of use the lap button stucked in !!! Never swimed with the watch .... Now I have the warranty trouble...

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  173. Brigham Yates

    I just had to return my Garmin Fenix. It restarts itself all the time. So when I go hiking and look down to see my progress I never know because after a mile into the hike the watch decides to restart and all the progress is gone. Do you know when Garmin is going to get an update to the watch or maybe a 2.0 Fenix here soon? I really want to love the dang thing but as of now it blows.

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  174. Mark Annichine

    Regarding Brigham's post above--mine started doing this same thing for the first time late last week. I spoke to Garmin about it this morning.

    At first, I suspected it had something to do with a low battery. This was, as far as I can recall, the first time my battery level was ever as low as it was--34%-35%. The Garmin customer service representative suggested that this problem likely had nothing to do with the battery level however.

    The rep had me do a hard-reset and continue to keep an eye open for this problem to reappear. In an initial test done after hard-resetting, the problem didn't reappear right away. I'll go on with business as usual, and if the problem shows up again, I'll take further action.

    And since I'm typing, I might as well go on to say that overall, while I like the fenix, I'm not so sure I'd recommend it wholeheartedly yet (for any of you reading this for the purposes of deciding whether or not to buy it)--not at this price and with the following deficiencies (as far as I see it):
    1) No ability to customize the main watch screen sequence (i.e. time/date, temp, barometer, altimeter, etc...). In other words, when not tracking or navigating (during normal day-to-day watch use), I cannot change the order or appearance of the main functions (temp, barometer, altimeter, cadence (if foot pod sensor on), heart rate (if on), etc.). Nor can I add something practical like quick access to a stopwatch or timer while in this mode.

    2) No weekend-specific alarm. It allows me to set one-time, daily, or weekday-only alarms. Why not weekend-only? Why not "Monday" only, or "Monday, Wednesday, and Friday"....?

    3) No hourly chime/vibrate function. This is a VERY basic wristwatch function, and I cannot imagine why it is omitted from fenix. Yes, there is the ability while tracking and/or navigating to have the watch alert me every hour, but this is different. I mean, why doesn't my fenix have the ability to alert me every hour on the hour, all day, every day?

    4) Think/processing time! The unit actually needs time to process requests often--and for more than a split-second usually. Sometimes it takes three seconds to go from one screen to the next after I've pushed the appropriate button. In the meantime, I see an icon showing me that it's thinking/processing. I'd prefer faster response.

    5) The buttons aren't as responsive as I'd like them to be. There are times when I push a button and get no response. I recognize that this is also the same functionality that helps to mitigate inadvertent button pushes, but in my opinion, the tactile execution could be improved.

    6) It's the least comfortable watch I've ever worn. It's by no stretch horribly uncomfortable, simply "not comfortable". I often feel it digging into my wrist somewhat. Now that I've worn mine steadily for about a month-and-a-half, I've gotten used to it, but at first, it irritated the underside of my wrist, right where my wrist met my hand. It is the metal clasp that is the culprit. Perhaps this could be given softer, rounded edges. Perhaps it could go from being a straight piece to a slightly curved piece--not sure if that would work or not??? But one thing is for sure, if I were redesigning this watch, I'd work on making the clasp less obtrusive.

    7) The inability to upload to Garmin Connect wirelessly. Older units such as the Garmin ForeRunner 610 have this ability, and the fenix has the internal guts to make it happen, but for some reason, doesn't allow it. I must instead hook up to the USB boot in order to upload files.

    8) Lack of ability to change settings via an online portal. Instead, all profile settings must be done on the unit itself--a task more cumbersome than I'd prefer in the year 2013. For those of you who don't own one and haven't played around with one, there are (as many have said before me) a GREAT number of options and choices when setting up a profile. It amounts to A LOT of button-pushing and time. Pointing and clicking a mouse would be significantly more efficient.

    9) No dedicated support lines for fenix. In other words, in Garmin forums, there is no fenix forum. Even when I called in this morning to speak with customer support, I had to guess my way through the phone menu, as nothing pointed me clearly to support for fenix. It seems to me that fenix is being treated internally by Garmin as a sort of disliked step-child. That may or may not truly be the case, but it's my outside perspective looking in. I'd really like to see some dedication to the product on their part. Somebody looking to invest this kind of money in a wrist unit would likely feel more comfortable knowing that the company producing it will stand behind it for years to come.

    10) When tracking, there is not an option to alter the "Lap" screen. In other words, if I have my unit set to auto-lap at one mile, at one mile, there is a rectangle that shows up over top of the existing screen which displays lap information. That rectangle stays up for around 10 seconds, I believe. For longer runs and longer laps, this isn't much of an issue, but for times when I'm doing quarter mile laps (speed workouts), I often want to glance down and look not at my past lap but my current lap, but the lap screen covers it up. I have my "back" button set as a hot key to be able to tap it to create a new lap, so hitting this button will not remove that lap screen (like I think it would in the absence of using the back button as a hotkey). It would be nice to be able to adjust (along with all the other settings) the details of the lap screen.

    11) Auto lap is often off. I'm not sure why this is, but often, when I have auto-lap set at, say one-half mile, it will not vibrate/beep/lap until 0.52 miles. This is a problem that seems to get worse (to a limited degree, as far as I can tell) as the run goes on. In other words, for the first lap, it might vibrate/bee/lap right at 0.50 miles. For the second lap, it might be 1.01 miles. For the third lap, it might be 1.53. For the fourth lap, it might be 2.05. As far as I recall, I don't think it's ever been off by more than 0.02 to 0.03 miles per lap, but it's off nonetheless.

    By no means doI intend for this to be some purely negative review. The fenix does a lot of things well. Ray has done a tremendous job, I think, of really laying it out for all of us. Thank you, Ray. And others have chimed in along the way with things they like/dislike, I know. But this is my list for now of the reasons I wouldn't recommend this to a friend yet. Am I unhappy with mine? Not really. But after having this for almost two months, would I buy it again, knowing now what I know? Probably not until I saw some fixes of the above categories.

    If anyone has specific questions about any of the above, I'll gladly answer them more in depth; just ask.

    Thanks again, Ray--what a job you've done!

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  175. Hem Raj Bastola

    Dear, Rainmaker,
    Nice to read your review about Fenix. one thing I am wondering that measurement it shows in Feet, f. hight and distance in miles. can it be switched in Meter , Degrees Celsius and distance in kilometers. please let me know if you have any idea. because I am planning to take fenix.

    Many thanks for the review.

    Hem From Nepal.

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  176. richard

    is there a auto-scroll function for the data-field in my Fenix ? i hope that there will be auto-scroll function for my Fenix, so that i don't have to press this or that buttons to get access to the data field that i want to view during exercise (etc. trail running) ,,,,,, or will this function be add into the next upgrade?

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  177. Liz

    Is it possible to set your data fields to view pace in real-time, like as you are running? I am trying to figure it out with no luck.

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  178. Richard

    Thanks for all of your time and effort in this review! I constantly refer to this in order to learn something new and answer questions about my fenix. Thanks again!

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  179. Just as a heads up to Fenix owners, the firmware update from Friday has added the Virtual Partner feature to the Fenix: link to www8.garmin.com

    Additionally, it got VIRB camera support.

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  180. ScottS1W

    Thanks for the thorough review. I just placed an order with Clever. I use a Wireless PowerTap, Sail, and wanted a bit more water resistant watch. I will be interesting to see how this works out..... everything is a compromise. Nice work.

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  181. trent

    Rainmaker, question for you, after all these updates, to the fenix, how does it compare to the Suunto ambit 2

    I know its apples vs oranges, but curious, as the fenix has seemed to have a lot more firmware updates since it's come out, I was wondering how it now performs now for a sports gps watch, I know a lot of people say the fenix is better with hiking, and not sports. So i'm curious as to your personal opinion

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    • Rainmaker replied

      The two watches continue to converge quite a bit. For example, the Ambit 2/2s just got firmware updates yesterday that adds more functionality there - bringing it quite close to the Fenix.

      The Ambit 2/2s is definitely better for sports, and with the new changes on the Ambit 2/2s, I think they're very close on hiking. I've updated the comparison tables already with the new functionality, so you may want to have another look (remember to click 'expand' on them).

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  182. Max

    Dear all, great review, thanks for that.
    I'm a geologist working in West Africa and I've purchased a garmin fenix for my field and recky trips in the bush. I've been playing around with all the functions but there is something annoying: I haven't managed to find the way to let the watch on the day to day GPS off. What I'm asking is actually why is the time set to 00.00 when the gps is off ? Is there any specific manipulation to keep the time running when GPS is off ?

    Could anyone help me on that ?

    Thanks.

    Max.

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    • Rainmaker replied

      It sounds like you're simply in workout mode, as opposed to pressing back to go to the watch mode. No?

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  183. Max

    I don't actually really know. For example, I turn my fenix on, go outdoor and turn the gps on to get the time synchronised. Then if I go back indoor, I lose the satellite signal and the time displayed is 00.00 whilst it was displayed correctly outside. I don't really understand, I've run through all the possible menus and settings and I haven't even found a way to manually setup the time. Which is quite annoying for a watch.

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  184. daniel

    Hi,

    Do you plan to make an updates based on the new firmware of the fenix ?
    It's been a while when 2.90 was released and we are at firmware 3.50 now.

    Cheers,

    Daniel

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    • Rainmaker replied

      I've been collecting a to-do list on this one to update. It's a bit of a mess to update this review because so much has indeed changed.

      I've since learned my lesson and compartmentalized reviews much better so that when things do change it makes it easier to swap out single sections rather than have interweaving components.

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  185. daniel

    Thanks Ray,

    I will run my first Ultra in 2014, so I am still deciding between the 910XT/Ambit2/Fenix.
    Your reviews are just over the top and I rely on your publication.

    Thanks and keep up the great work.

    Daniel

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  186. trent

    Daniel, I had the fenix, it was running firmware 3.50, as I wanted it to use for trekking and hunting. It was a fantastic watch, however I noticed that when I was on a hunt the battery was at 94 percent when I went out. however after 3 hours of walking around, I decided to use the track back feature (Neat feature so I could find my way back) about 15 minutes, I decided to look at my watch and realized it was was turned off completely. No matter what I did it wouldn't turn on. Fortunately I knew how to get back as I've been at the place I go to many times, but it was getting dark. I think that this personally is a deal breaker. The next day when I was able to charge the watch, the battery said it was at 0%. For a watch that was in use about 4 hours if that, I find that an extreme deal breaker. I took it back, and ended up getting the Suunto Ambit 2, and so far, im more then extremely impressed at it, it might not have all bell and whistles as the fenix, but it has majority. And I think it can only get better. The track back feature works for me, while the Fenix died...

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  187. daniel

    trent,
    thanks for the reply. thats sounds pretty bad, but I assume it won't occur all the time.

    What I really need is a watch, which can at least keep running for 10 hours with a decent GPS update. I really don't like a 1 minute or 30 second GPS interval. What I see is that the battery endurance of the Ambit goes down pretty fast, if you are not using the 1 minute gps intervals.

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  188. trent

    That's true, it may be just a bad batch, however there have been a few people saying the same thing, that there's a bug in the software that once it gets below 70% it shuts off completely and thinks the battery is reset to zero

    Other people if you read the garmin forums say these are some issues with the fenix aswell

    I think, I repeated them more than enough in this forum...

    Briefly:
    - watch freezes randomly, especially after some hours of recording
    - track disapears randomly in the map, especially after some hours of recording
    - battery life is below promises (especially in Ultratrac mode)
    - track recorded is sometimes shifted, I noticed it occurs especially when the GPS lock was very fast.
    - fog issue
    - Ultratrac has no utility, just a marketing scam
    - altimeter auto-calibration sometimes completely wrong
    - bluetooth transfer of a track between 2 fenix didn't work
    - auto pause does not work reliably. (does not start any more if satellite reception gets lost)
    - avg. heart rate is not shown in fit activity
    - bread crumb is not shown on the map
    - speed sensor does not record (total) distance
    - distance of fit and gpx file differ.

    I must say, the fenix when I had it took an EXTREMLY long time to get a GPS lock aswell.. Compared to the Suunto Ambit 2 that I got. The Ambit 2 locks in after 30 seconds about. While the fenix in the city took roughtly 5-10 minutes at a time..

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  189. trent

    Also I sometimes found that even when I was motionless, the tracking continued to increase with Distance.

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  190. daniel

    Hey trent,

    Thanks for the in-depth details on the current fenix problems. I think I probably have to focus on the Ambit2 (S) then.

    Kind regards,

    Daniel

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  191. Thanks for the incredible depth of information on fitness related devices. I am having a bit of a struggle with my fenix and am unable to resolve with Garmin Tech Support. I noticed in your YouTube video regarding pace that you have an instant pace that is granular to the second. My watch seems to only display what I believe is instant pace in 5 second increments. (ie. 7:30, 7:35, etc) I believe that I have selected the display variable 'PACE' from the Fitness options. Any idea which combination of settings might be causing my problem?

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  192. LHRORD

    Trent, I'm on my 3rd Fenix replacement (as of Feb 2013, s/n 2QA01XXXX) and continue to have reliability and consistency issues. I'm wondering if it may be due to having an old version of the Fenix as they did have several defective batches. When did you purchase your Fenix and what are the first 5 digits of your serial #. I really like the Fenix but it's such an unreliable watch that I would rather pay $100 more and replace it with the Suunto Ambit 2 now that v1.5 includes the Track Back feature which was my key deciding factor for going with the Fenix to begin with.

    DC Rainmaker, Thanks for your excellent blog reviews; it helped me decide to go with the Fenix. Sadly, Garmin has completely given up on their Garmin Forums, it is a very sad state of affairs that it's almost unusable at times with so much SPAM. I have tried to provide feedback through all their customer channels and it hasn't worked, my last resort was posting a thread describing what I and others have been experiencing with the Fenix and it is crystal clear that Garmin employees do not bother reviewing their forums. Here's my last "desperate" feedback thread to them: link to forums.garmin.com!!!

    Could you ask Garmin, why have they abandoned their own forums? Thanks and keep up the great work.

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    • trent replied

      Hi Lhrord, I'm not sure what my serial number was, but I believe it was in the 05xxxx number, I got it back in late August, as I heard there was water issues with the previous models. That there was fogging issues. I ended up not having it for 2 weeks, actually, it constantly died on treks, or restarted itself. This to me was the absolute deal breaker. Since I've got the Suunto Ambit 2, I've been more then happy with the watch, it nearly has everything the fenix has. Would be great if they had the hunting capability or the map install the fenix can do. But I don't think i'd change even if they fixed all the issues the fenix has. I've tried the trackback feature on the Suunto and its fantastic. And the apps for the Suunto are pretty neat too!

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  193. Kotvik

    Hi, thanx a lot for so much infos that helps me buy my Fenix! Avesome device!.
    Please can you recomend me some settings for outside pool swimming? I am not sure with gos settings - normal, ultra or indoor and measure only time...not distance. After 30mins of swimming i just simply cannot count amount of pool.
    And please i dont want to buy Garmin swim ;)

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    • Rainmaker replied

      You won't get distance in a pool with Fenix, no matter how you slice it. So you're best bet is to just use an indoor mode for time-only, something with GPS off is best.

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  194. Surffshr

    Ray,
    Great stuff in all reviews. I'm wondering if you have heard if the Fenix is scheduled to work wirelessly with Garmin Connect at any point. Use the watch more to run then anything else, but love the utility of one watch. Getting back home in the dark on the water is very nice! However, I'm bummed that I can't use the smart bt to upload workouts. I'm returning to the place of purchase due to a button that has stopped working and trying to decide whether to exchange or simply pocket some $ and get the new 220 for running only. Thank you

    V/R
    Surffshr

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Yup, it's something we talked about last week at Interbike (Fenix being able to do uploads). They were going to look at it, and it sounded positive. It hadn't been on the radar, but they agreed that with the app work being already done for the 220/620, it seemed silly to not allow it to do it with Fenix too. Previously it was more of a limitation around the concept that the Fenix app as focused on Basecamp rather than the Fitness side.

      I'll circle back on that topic next week with them.

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  195. Sir
    stop with cycling, make walks now in my country (belgium) have a polar rs800cx with a separated gpx logger from polar. it have a 1 second track registration, with is good when i like to syncronise my foto's. Like the garmin fenix, but is this a good choice, can i registrate also evry 1 second a track so i can syncronise, and is this track seperated from the heart beat file so i can upload it to ride with gps
    Thanks for any answer
    sorry for my englisch

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Yup, the Fenix can record at 1-second rate, and will automatically include the HR data in it. You can then take the GPX file and match photos. In fact, you can use the Garmin Basecamp software to do that (you can see a bit of that in my post above).

      It produces two files (if configured), a .FIT file that you can upload to Ride with GPS that includes HR data. And then a .GPX file that you can also use for other purposes.

      Cheers!

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  196. Sir
    thanks for your reply i have already buy the fenix looks really promossing gone thest it in the days ahead,
    Greathings from Belgium
    John De Wit
    Ps i am 65 years young now, profit from the youth and you still are in maximum speed, things are getting slower later, but stil going strong !

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  197. Halfpint

    Hi DC,

    Is there a wat to adjust the time on my fenix? I can't seem to find even here on the net. Great review by the way.

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  198. Abe

    Hi Rainmaker,

    Thanks for the reviews...

    What would advise between the Garmin Fenix and the Polar RCX5 for someone mostly focus on running (outdoor and indoor) + swimming ...

    Abe

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  199. rabbit

    There have been a lot of fw updates with fitness features for the fenix; unfortunately no fw updates for a displayable elevation plot for tracks etc. with altitude datas in the tracks, no vdst/nvdst for tracks etc. with altitude datas in the tracks...

    This watch was initially advertised / promoted for mountaineering...

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  200. Tomer Levi

    HI,
    Thanks a lot for the review it helped me alot
    I have an important question regard open water swimm.
    I swam 4 km and the fenix tracked 13 km...
    Is it normal for the fenix? what setting are goods for getting more accurate distance?
    I dont understand what is the different between fenix and 910 or 310 XT in the open water swimm?

    Thanks
    Tomer

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    • Rainmaker replied

      No, the Fenix isn't accurate on the wrist for swim tracking. You could use the swimcap method (very accurate), or you'd need to look at one of the multisport watches that understands openwater swimming. Both the FR310XT and 910XT do, but the FR910XT gives more openwater features (see that review).

      Additionally, you've also got the Suunto Ambit 2 and Ambit 2s. The Ambit2 is the closest unit to the Fenix.

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  201. Shaun

    Hi DC Rainmaker.
    Thanks for a great blog. I notice the Fenix only supports the IOS basecamp app and has no direct compatibility with Android. Do you know if there are any plans to make the Fenix compatible with future Android devices which support Bluetooth 4.0 LE like the latest iphones?

    Thanks,
    Shaun

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    • José Afonso Santos replied

      With Android you can have raw access to the full Fenix file system if you have an OTG capable android & USB cable. Good for backing up your tracks, not much else.

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  202. MrPootch

    I was a happy Garmin customer for over 7 years. Now I start to hate Garmin! This product shouldn't be sold. The list it long:

    - Speed is useless as it jumps up and down at constant speed
    - distance is always different fora the same course
    - takes ages to find satellites
    - keeps adding distance while standing still
    - stops in auto stop mode while walking...
    - and most interesting: Skips a second every ten seconds in GPS mode. The timing is still correct but it drives me crazy ti the the seconds go like 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10...

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Many of those sound like you might want to simply do a soft reset on the unit to clear up any satellite issues. Also, have you tried calling Garmin customer support?

      As for distance - GPS tends to be accurate within 1-2%, so you're going to see variance on the same course, no matter which unit you have.

      For auto stop, you can configure the threshold so it's higher. It's really designed more for running than walking, thus you'll want to change the defaults.

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  203. MrPootch

    Thx Ray.

    I did it all! Soft reset, contacted Garmin, got a new watch... the issues remain the same!

    You are right about the threshold for auto stop, but it also stops many times because of no satellite connection where my FR210 always had a connection... one can't fix that.

    And the accuracy is within the 10-20% range, not within 1-2%! E.g. my standard loop of 12k can be anything from 11-13 k. The course recorded is always off the actual track I run. Into the Marathon in Frankfurt last week it showed 6k at the 5k marker...

    As mentioned the list is long: When using trackback or fit history e.g. it almost always hangs.

    Most funny "feature": I coupled a new HR monitor. The watch told me "multiple sensors found". And this message popped up within a split second over and over again so one couldn't use the watch any longer without resetting it...

    Impressed with what I read in your Ambit 2 review. The video where it has satellite within no time is like a dream comes true for a Fenix user! Garmin is fooling their users as the graph indicates the connection is almost their just to drop back the next second. And again, and again...

    What about the missing seconds? Did you experience the same? Drives me crazy looking at the watch thinking it is standing still just to skip a second the next moment to make up the time again. Maybe the unit is so busy using it's processor that it can't display the time correctly. Not display correctly, the measuring is still correct though...

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  204. Ent

    Top review. I have been using one for a year and found the following.

    1. Case leaks (first one sent back second one as bad)
    2. Compass accuracy so poor to be dangerous!!!!! This is common Garmin fault that hardly gets mentioned.
    3. Battery life extremely variable.
    4. Can run OSM mapping data one it that does make it handy for following tracks when bushwalking.

    Flawed unit that is a handy toy but not a tool.

    Cheers

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  205. Michael

    I agree with your comment about Garmin needing to collaborate with it's Forerunner team. I'm mainly a distance runner, but also like to hike and enjoy the outdoors. I owned a fēnix for about 6 months and found it so confusing in some of it's setup, operation, and handshakes with programs like Basecamp, that I finally just sold it recently. I don't doubt it can do a lot, but I can't spend weeks learning it's functions just for basic display and recording and sharing various route data. I'm also very surprised for the price technical savvy of Garmin, that it doesn't have some features like wi-fi or a higher resolution color screen. Some of these device's displays still look like calculators from the 1970's. That being said, Iove that Garmin is branching out with some activity-specific devices such as the fēnix, tactix, and quatix. Great review! I can't imagine how long it must take you to write a single one of these, and you have lists of them!

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  206. Funny, I would have assumed by now a year later that they would have added Bluetooth support for the HR strap. Which is too bad as you can see now the new devices coming out are all about bluetooth.

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  207. Chris

    I'm a woman with a small wrist. I so wanted the Ambit 2S for Ultras, bc skiing, and paddling, hiking, exploring. Just too big and bulky and took a toll (carpal tunnel sort of symptoms) after a few weeks, so had to return it. Tried using a cloth band underneath. Sadly, still no go.

    I'm wondering whether the comfort band on the Fenix might help in enabling a more comfortable fit. I believe this band was available on a Garmin I had years ago, and that worked well.

    It would be most helpful if reviews could include comfort level for small wrists ... on-the-run-over-a-span-of-time kind of use. Otherwise, wow, you sure covered it, dc. Many thanks.

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  208. Brian

    Thanks for the great review as always. Am I not remembering though that "creating workouts" was added to the Fenix? Maybe I am just thinking of the Suunto Ambit?

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  209. richard.h

    may i ask does anyone know how can i export a google map kml file into a gpx file then send it into my garmin fenix in order to navigate it in my watch?

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  210. Leg

    Hi new firmware, am I wrong or this way it starts to be interesting also for a runner?

    Fenix 4.01 Beta Software

    To download the beta software go to this link: ( not available via WebUpdater )
    link to www8.garmin.com...ls.jsp?id=6137

    Changes made from version 4.00 to 4.01:
    Added ability to determine speed, distance, cadence and steps in Indoor mode (when no Foot Pod is present). Enable in Setup > System > GPS Mode > Indoor. Auto calibration occurs in Normal GPS Mode when FIT Activity is set to Running
    Added a 'Ski-Snowboard' profile. Select this profile to enable a new alpine/downhill ski and snowboard experience
    Added support for Smart Notifications. Note: the Apple Notification Center Service (ANCS) feature requires an Apple iPhone equipped with Bluetooth 4.0 wireless technology and iOS 7 or later. Enable in Setup > Bluetooth
    Added support for Interval Workouts. Enable in Setup > Menu > Add Page > Workouts
    Added support for Workouts loaded from Garmin Connect (garminconnect.com)
    Issues with this beta software may be reported to fenix@garmin.com

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  211. pston

    I am glad for this new feature:
    to determine speed, distance, cadence and steps in Indoor mode (when no Foot Pod is present). Enable in Setup > System > GPS Mode > Indoor. Auto calibration occurs in Normal GPS Mode when FIT Activity is set to Running
    BUT…
    How do I save my Fitness data? I also have the HeartBeat strap. But although it does say it saves, no info shows up…

    Wil there be an updated MANUAL soon?
    This gets very frustrating. I am about to give up on fenix.

    PsTon

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    • Rainmaker replied

      That all sounds correct.

      When you say no info shows up, do you mean on the unit, or online? Meaning, if you plug your Fenix into your computer and head over to Garmin Connect (connect.garmin.com) and click Upload, does it find activities?

      Or, within the unit, if you go into the track history, does it show up there?

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  212. Pston

    In the unit....

    After 3 hours indoor training, for example, after pushing the stop button, i see it saves somerhing, very fast saving, split second. But reading my fitness record back on my watch it gives only a few seconds and 1 calorie instead of the hundreds I burned...

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  213. Ray, something occured to me this weekend...any reason that the Fenix couldn't replace the 910XT as a next multisport watch? It has all the right internals, right?

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Technically likely. But realistically it's from an entirely different product group within the company.

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  214. José Afonso Santos

    I have been able to upload/download tracks & waypoints on the move from/to the Fenix to/from the cloud using BaseCamp mobile 2.0 iOS app running on an iPad mini retina.
    But the procedure if far from "intuitive" ...
    1) get online on the iOS device (I have to use WiFi tethering from my Android smartphone because I have the wifi only version of iPad mini)
    2) pair/link the fenix and your iOS BT40 device as usual.
    3) once you see your fenix resident tracks & waypoints listed on the basecamp mobile's "device" tab then do "edit" the one that you want to upload but the, instead of renaming it, just tap "COPY" !... No questions are asked (copy to where? with what name? etc) nor any confirmation of transfer success is given but... then you go to your "My colecction" tab and that item you just "COPY"ed is there allready !

    To load an item (track/waypoint) from your myGarmin cloud collection into the fenix you just have to "EDIT"+"COPY" that item from the "My collection" tab and it will show up on fenix "My device" tab.

    At least now I have a method to clear up the log memory of my fenix before I return home to a PC with full BaseCamp sofware.

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  215. Brian

    Is there an auto scroll feature for data pages? I don't see anything in the manual about it.

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  216. Brian

    I just got my Fenix and I'd like to post a few comments:

    I upgraded from a 3+ year old 405, and my wife has a 110 and a 220 that I just got her a week ago.

    On the Fenix:

    Love:
    real buttons vs the 405s bezel
    customizable menus/settings
    Tempe sensor
    True Altimeter
    Waterpoofing and general "ruggedness" vs Forerunner series
    with the 4.02 beta update, will do "just about" (see below) everything my 405 does running-wise

    Don't love:
    Menus are complicated, but once they're customized it's not so bad
    Size is fine for me but it's huge on a woman's wrist

    Hate:
    I knew this going in but it is extremely frustrating that the only way to wirelessly upload activities is through an iOS device with BT 4.0. Wife and I both have iPhones 4 and an iPad 2, so totally out of luck there. That's fine for that, but why no ANT+ upload ability???? It has the internals for this obviously, so it would seem to be an easy add? It is unbelievable that this new device won't do something as simple as my old 405 (and FR60) does so well (ANT+ upload/download). Instead I am left having to plug in everytime I upload an activity, which I am convinced will affect my battery life in the long run (constant charging of just a little bit repeatedly). Please Garmin, PLEASE add ANT+ uploads in a future update (and add it to the new 220 while you're at it).
    DC - Could the Wahoo guys potentially add this like they did with the FR60 and 910xt?

    Thanks for the detailed review and I got both my Fenix and 220 through Clever Training. No complaints with their service, thanks!

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  217. durinVIII

    i'm looking for something or someway or someingeneral to connect with android phone...

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Unfortunately, Fenix doesn't yet connect to Android.

      Reply
    • durinVIII replied

      no, the problem is this: garmin didn't develop nothing for android becouse thersn't system ready for bluetooth 4 (BLE) but NOW thers a lot of devices ready!

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    • José Afonso Santos replied

      Full (wired) file system access is possible on those androids that support OTG USB cables.

      link to forums.watchuseek.com

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Just to clarify Durin, but you're incorrect. The Fenix uses Bluetooth Smart to transmit to iOS devices just fine - and in fact, is even doing iOS notifications.

      On the Android side, Garmin hasn't yet released the Android app for it. Thus, Fenix can't connect to something that doesn't exist.

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  218. Graziano

    Is it possible to charge the Fenix during a long trail using a portable USB battery like this
    link to powerseed.it . During the charge the Fenix will continue to work ?

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    • Afonso Santos replied

      Yes it is. I tried it today.
      The GPS keeps running, the batery keeps charging, unplugging the power pack does not disrupt the track loging nor removing the watch from its craddle.
      I run the cradle cabble inside the sleeve and stashed the batery pack in an inside pocket, but wearing this combo is quite awkward and unconfortable (because of the craddle protuberances), and pressing/using the orange button becomes more dificult..

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  219. sid

    Hy all.
    Can someone tell me what is the internal storage of Garmin 910, Suunto Ambit2, Garmin fenix?? How many workouts and how long recordings can be stored??
    I love everything about Ambit, but i read somewhere that it can record only 15h of activity with 1s gps fix?
    This is defenetly not for 2-3 day hiking trip or some ultraTrail.....The battery really dont matter, cuz you can charge it with mini AA USB charger, but memory....
    Need to make a decision soon between this watches , but I cant find any information about 910xt an Fenix?? How many hours can be recordet(1s interval)??

    60s GPS interval is useles for running....

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  220. Allan Tan

    Hi Sid - Re. Fenix Max Storage: I have loaded up a race organiser's 200km Alpine ultra route (sorry can't remember what the intervals were). Memory was not a problem when uploaded as a single route, but the Fenix slowed to a terrible crawl making it impossible to follow the route (might even have been some resets/crashes). When split up into 4 files it ran ok. So, I suspect you'll hit this laggy processing limit before you reach your storage limit. Suggest you split your tracks when hiking.

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  221. sid

    Hy Allan, thanks for replay.
    But we are not talking about the same thing here.
    I want to know how many hours of workout can be recordet on the Fenex, before it runs out of memory?
    Lets say that you go run some ultra distance and you will be runnig for 30h. When you have gps recordnig interval set to 1second, your battery will last for about 18h. You can charge the watch on-field,during the run, no problem.
    The problem is memory.
    I own Ambit now,and the memory gets full after 16-18h....so does the battery...Even if i charge it, it has no memory left..
    I hope you understand what Im asking :P

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    • Rainmaker replied

      The unit has 20MB of memory. A typical 1hr track file is in the range of about 20-100KB. Thus, for each 1MB you'd get at worst 10 hours. So with 20*10 = 200 hours on the low end, or about 1,000hrs on teh high end. Roughly. Ambit this is not.

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  222. cesar scrambone

    guys, is that a way to delete the fithistory from fenix all the runnings togheter? i couldt find a way... i know how to delete one to one, but i couldnt find the function to delete all of them.

    regards

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  223. David

    Hiya, the Fenix has been out for more than a year now and has seen several upgrades. Have the upgrades made the watch more stable or do people still experience the crashes? Thanks a lot, David.

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    • José Afonso Santos replied

      The crashes I had (and still have destipe being fully firmware updated at all times) are not due to any software related problem: they are caused by excessive batery drain when the watch is logging a track at maximum rate (1hz) and then an alarm goes off triggering the vibration motor, the buzzer and the light at the same time. If I have less than 50% BAT remaining this is guaranteed to crash my watch (and cut/ruin the track log).^
      Basicaly I had to give up using altitude warnings, proximity warnings, time to sunset warnings, etc whenever I am logging a track at max resolution. It is a shame but I still love and use my fenix for most of my outdoor activities.

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  224. Brian

    Jose - How did you configure it to turn on the light on notifications? I havent been able to do that for autolap, I am running 4.05.

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    • José Afonso Santos replied

      Setup/Display/Backlight/Autolight = {Off|After Sunset|Always}

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    • Kevin Doyle replied

      Does that put the backlight on permanently/permantly after sunset or just when a notification pops up?

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  225. Brian

    Kevin - Jose's comment suggestion worked for me. It appears to only turn the backlight on during "dark" hours "after sunset" whenever a button is pressed or if any sort of notification comes on-screen.

    Reply
    • Kevin Doyle replied

      Thanks for that - i'll try it out on my run home from work tonight.

      Reply
  226. TrailrunnerUSA

    Hey Ray, thanks for your amazingly helpful reviews. I'm primarily a trail runner and been doing some research before buying the fenix and out of all places, your site was the most helpful in deciding what to buy. I started with a long trail running thread at Garmin and learned about your site there. Here's my feedback on your site: link to forums.garmin.com!!!&p=250887#post250887

    I'm waiting until the Android Garmin app is released to work w/ fenix and also that Garmin confirms bt smart sensor compatibility. Was really impressed w/ your comparison matrix, I learned that Polar V800 would be an option for me if Garmin decides not support bt sensors. I'm looking forward to using your links for my future purchase.

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  227. Came across an annoying bug with the fenix last week. I switched on auto-lap for the first time, and then followed a route on the map screen, zoomed out to 80 yards. After a short while the scale of the map kept reducing until it was too small to follow. I use this feature a lot and it has never done this before, and the auto-lap was the only setting I changed. I'm out again tomorrow and will turn auto-lap off.

    How best do I report bugs to Garmin ?

    Thanks again for a great blog and community!

    Garfield

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  228. Hi folks,
    Here is a problem with the fenix i've been trying to sort for ages...
    On both my previous Foretreks I could see the distance to the next Waypoint (usually a checkpoint or similar). From here to that waypoint would be the track points that define the route. But on the fenix the NEXTDEST etc all point to the next track point, not waypoint. Any idea what's happening here?

    Here is a snippet of a GPX file which works fine on the other devices :-

    [L] DW002
    [L] DW002

    Flag
    Waypoint

    [L] DW003
    [L] DW003

    Flag
    Waypoint

    Thanks.

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    • Sorry, that didn't work with the xml tags. here it is without the

      rtept lat="53.29704" lon="-2.62504">
      name>[L] DW002 /name>
      cmt>[L] DW002 /cmt>
      desc> /desc>
      sym>Flag /sym>
      type>Waypoint /type>
      /rtept>

      rtept lat="53.29654" lon="-2.62781" /
      rtept lat="53.29340" lon="-2.62805" /
      rtept lat="53.29105" lon="-2.62809" /
      rtept lat="53.28588" lon="-2.62540" /
      rtept lat="53.28706" lon="-2.62376" /
      rtept lat="53.28775" lon="-2.62149"
      name>[L] DW003 /name
      cmt>[L] DW003 /cmt
      desc> /desc
      sym>Flag /syn
      type>Waypoint /type
      /rtept

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  229. Hi All-

    A heads up that effective immediately, the Garmin Fenix has dropped price by $100 to $299, from Clever Training. With the HR strap, it’s $349. Note that it doesn’t qualify for the 10% DCR coupon since it’s considered clearance (yes, that’s correct), however, it does qualify for free US shipping.

    Link that supports the site: link to shareasale.com

    Note that the Fenix1 does include the Bluetooth Smart integration (i.e. upload and I’ve also confirmed Live Tracking as well), as well as now the ability to get pace indoors without a foot pod. It won’t however get any of the swim/power meter features that you see on the Fenix2. It will get though any of the Fenix1/Tactix beta features converted to a production release likely around the Fenix2 release timeframe (March, roughly).

    Anyway, good deal for folks that were in the market for a Fenix watch but don’t need the swim/power meter features of the Fenix2.

    Cheers-
    Ray

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    • cody replied

      So will the running dynamics part of the Fenix 2 be updated in Fenix?

      Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      No, it's not being back ported.

      Reply
    • Bart Bouse replied

      I know you share some loyalties to companies because they allow you test test products prior to launch. However, are you able to tell us if this is not being back ported based on a real and quantifiable hardware limitation or simply a marketing decision.

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    • Rainmaker replied

      It's a mix. It sounds like there are some minor hardware changes that are preventing them from going to Fenix1/Tactix. And then some are simply marketing based. Of course, there are a lot of items that are coming, such as the mobile items like Live Tracking.

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    • Patrick replied

      Will the auto multisport function and the ability to build and load workouts be added to the Fenix1? I use and Edge 500 for the cycling portion of my triathlons but would like something for the overall time and for run training when my 310XT dies.

      Thanks for all the great reviews.
      Patrick

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    • Rainmaker replied

      No, it won't be coming back down to the Fenix1 (the multisport). Though, workout creation is there.

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    • Kris replied

      Ray - thanks for your awesome and insightful reviews. I just purchased a Fenix a month ago, and it's still returnable, so I'm debating getting the Fenix 2.

      What exactly is the hardware difference between the Fenix and Fenix 2? Is it faster, have more memory, etc? Or is it essentially the exact same hardware?

      Thanks!

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    • Rainmaker replied

      There were two tiny hardware changes made between the Fenix1/Tactix and the Fenix2. The first, most obvious, is the button layout. The second however, was a change to the accelerometer to be able to get (more) accurate swim data than if they had stuck with the sensors in the Fenix1/Tactix.

      Reply
    • JJ Li replied

      Will the Fenix 1 get the ability to acquire satellite data from bluetooth to speed up satellite lock just like with the Fenix 2?

      Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      Yes, it is in the latest Fenix1/Tactix beta.

      Reply
    • JJ Li replied

      Thanks for the response.

      My main purpose is to use the Fenix to record a GPX tracklog at a 1 second interval for geotagging and documentational purposes. Is there something that the Fenix 2 can do that the Fenix 1 can't? I read your review and it doesn't seem like there are any hardware differences so I'm not sure whether I can justify the expense of the Fenix 2. I just want to ask before I make the purchase. I don't want to deal with exchanges later.

      Thank you.

      Reply
    • JJ Li replied

      Sorry, I just want to clarify my comment. I meant to ask for my purpose, is there something that the Fenix 2 can do that the Fenix 1 can't?

      I know the differences in terms of sports. It would be great if you can also address any differences in terms of geocaching and tracklog.

      Thank you.

      Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      For non-sport purposes, it's basically the same. No shifts outside of that.

      Reply
    • JJ Li replied

      Awesome! Thanks for the response!

      One final thing and that is when do you think the current beta firmware will become final? Is the current beta firmware stable enough for day to day use? If I do use the latest stable firmware, then I won't have the ability to preload the watch with satellite data.

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    • Rainmaker replied

      I'd expect over the course of the next month or two they'll finalize everything. I suspect they'll be taking in any unexpected bugs on the Fenix2 side, and basically working to sim-update the Fenix/Fenix2/Tactix/D2/etc firmware at once on those corrections.

      Many people are using the beta firmware without issue. You can revert back if need be.

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    • Robin replied

      Hi Ray,
      Great review and lots of information.
      I'm trying to choose between fenix and fenix2. I'm no swimmer, I will be using it running, hiking and biking.
      Is there any difference in the interface and possibilities with iPhone (5) between fenix and fenix2?

      Thanks, Robin

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    • Rainmaker replied

      The vast majority of the changes related to multisport mode and swimming. For cycling, if you're not using a power meter there will be less differences.

      The Fenix1 will connect to the iPhone app, and will do live tracking and workload upload, but not sending of courses (or at least, it's not supposed to).

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  230. Cory

    Hi Ray, I'm a runner. I'm considering the FR620, Fenix, and Fenix2. I want Bluetooth upload run capability to my iPhone & iPad, a good battery life, and a waterproof watch. I don't care about swimming, and cycling metrics. And, I'd like to have Live Tracking and Ant+ HR on at the same time.

    Is the FR620 best for just a runner? How long is it's battery life at 1s GPS intervals? Thanks!

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Given you want dual ANT+ and Live Tracking, the FR220 or FR620 are really your only choices. Both get battery life of about 10hrs. And both are really just aimed at runners, no cycling stuff yet.

      Reply
  231. Gabe Raff

    Thanks for taking the time to answer these comments, it's really helpful. I'm a runner, begging cyclist and doing my first triathlon in a few months. My 410 has run its course and I'm looking for an upgrade. I'm not a pro, but do love the insight and fun the gadgets provide. Basically I'm trying to decide between the 620 and the Fenix2, both are the same price. I don't have a powermeter, but would want to use it for cycling too.

    Any advice?

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    • Rainmaker replied

      If you're doing tri's, then the Fenix2 is a better bet, since the FR620 doesn't have any swim metrics (pool or openwater).

      However, if you're just going to use it for run/bike, and not with a power meter - than the FR620 with the planned spring update to bring cycling functionality might be a better option. Hard to say at this point.

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  232. Gabe Raff

    Thanks. I'm not sure if I'll love the tri's or not, but seems like the Fenix 2 is the better bet. Maybe I missed it, but I don't know if there was anything in the 620 that wasn't in the Fenix 2, aside from the size. Am I correct? So many features to keep track of!

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      Check out the Fenix2 post a bit more on differences with the FR620, lots of discussion in the comments. Core item is that the FR620 can support ANT+ (sensors) and Bluetooth (thus live tracking) at the same time, whereas the Fenix2 can't.

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  233. First off. Thanks for the great review. Over the last six months, I think I've read every review and comment of from this blog from the last two years.

    I actually wrote about DCRainmaker here and here as an example to inspiring bloggers on how you develop a great blog with a loyal readership :)

    I managed to pick up a mint condition Garmin Fenix last week for £130. At the time, I had been swaying between the Garmin 310XT, Garmin 910XT, Garmin 220 and Bytron Cardio 60. I jumped at the chance of getting the Fenix so cheap.

    I had problems with it the first few days with not locating a GPS signal. It kept giving the message "Updating GPS Firmware", which made it a pain going through menus as the message would show every few seconds. I was trying to resolve the issue at 2am in the morning so didn't want to go outside to get a signal. I resolved the issue by deleting the file in the RemoteSW folder and then running the Garmin WebInstaller program. After deleting the file, the installer told me that I had to install the file. Doing so resolved the problem, so I imagine my file had got corrupted in some way. I read somewhere else that this can be resolved by standing outside and getting a signal (something to try if you are having the same problem).

    I am currently using version 4.14 beta. The interval option works great. I added my interval routine via Garmin Connect and it transferred the training routine to the Fenix instantly via USB.

    The lack of interval training is what first discouraged me from getting the Fenix as I was mainly using it for running. The 4.01 update last year added interval training, so I think the Fenix is a great option for anyone who is looking for a versatile running or triathlon watch. I do a lot of hiking in the summer so I was pleased to get a watch that also has many hiking and navigation features such as an altimeter, compass etc.

    I have found that the vibration alert for intervals does not seem to be working. Vibration and tone alerts seem to be working fine during regular tracking, but it did not vibrate every mile when doing intervals. I have looked at all the menus and cannot see an option to add it for intervals; therefore this could be a bug. There have been over a dozen software updates over the last few months, so if this is a bug, I suspect it will be addressed in a future version (so I'm not too concerned about it).

    Today, I unfortunately experienced a big problem with the watch. Me and my friend were doing a slow-paced nine mile run. He was tracking the run using his Timex triathlon GPS watch and I was using the fenix. Everything seemed to be working perfectly, however at around 4.87 miles, it stopped tracking. I only noticed this at around mile seven when I realised it hadn't vibrated for a while.

    I had not touched any buttons during that time. From what many people are saying online (including Ray), if the GPS signal is lost, tracking will simply stop. This would not have been as much of an issue if it beeped or vibrated when it happened. Unfortunately, it did not.

    My hope is that this is a software issue, which means that the issue can be corrected in a future update. However, comment 41 by Ray above mentions this issue and that comment was published in October 2012. This makes me wonder why it has not been fixed until now as it is a very big problem.

    So far, I have only did two runs using the watch. The interval run yesterday went perfectly. The run today seemed to track just under seven miles, though as you can see from this screenshot, the Fenix states that I ran nine miles today in nine seconds. One second miles: Can you beat that?

    Regardless, I am optimistic about this error being fixed as Garmin have been updating the beta software frequently (which another reason I was convinced to try the Fenix).

    In the UK, the price of the Fenix has dropped to around £250 (without an HRM). In the USA, the price is a more affordable $299. It's a great price for a watch that can do running, hiking, cycling, mountaineering, fishing, skydiving and much more. It is comfortable to wear, has solid battery life and has a lot of great features. It is also easy to start and stop tracks and autolap etc.

    Thanks again for the review Ray. Keep up the good work :)

    I will try and keep you all updated about the issue of the GPS signal being dropped. If any current Fenix owners have the same problem, please leave a comment (particularly if you have a solution!!).

    Kevin

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    • Kevin Muldoon replied

      Here's an update for anyone who finds themselves in the same situation as me.

      I contacted Garmin regarding the issue and they responded fairly quickly. Replies have been a bit slower since then. Ultimately, their solution is for me to reinstall version 4.00.

      It appears to be software related. Can you send us the system.xml file from your unit located in the Garmin folder?

      Thanks,

      Fenix Team

      I sent them the system.xml file. They replied:

      The system.xml appears to show that it was possibly not software related. Could you help describe how often you find the watch in this state where the GPS has stopped? I think what happened was that the unit hit a low power shutdown. We have seen this before if users have any alerts setup that use the tone/vibrate feature. Do you notice this error when the watch is only at 50% or lower? Also do you notice any unexpected battery drain?

      Thanks,

      Fenix Team

      Obviously, a reply like this is a little frustrating after taking the time to write a long detailed reply that explained what had occurred.

      In my reply, I stressed that battery was at 99% when I left the house and it didn't drop below 84% during the run. I also confirmed that no buttons were pressed.

      I was using the vibrate and tone feature to alert me every mile that had passed. I pointed out that if the vibrate feature can mess it up during a ninety minute run, their estimate of fifteen hours of battery is misleading. Still, I don't think that the vibrate feature has anything to do with this issue whatsoever.

      Hi Kevin,

      Sorry for your difficulties. If you would like to get back to the latest production version please download the .zip file at the link below.

      Once you’ve downloaded the .zip file, unzip the GUPDATE.GCD file to the \Garmin directory of your fenix. Remove from the charge clip, allow it to restart and the update will be validated and then load.

      link to dropbox.com

      You may be asked warned about backdating to a version less than what is on your device; however, you can proceed through this by choosing ‘YES’.

      Fenix Team

      In the end, Garmin have told me just to revert back to version 4.00. To be honest, I half expected that they would tell me to do that from the start. However, I get the impression that they aren't listening to beta testers.

      Additionally, I don't know how they jumped directly from the position that it was not software related to the position that I need to downgrade back to version 4.00.

      I'm a bit annoyed that downgrading is the only solution. Downgrading means no support for intervals, no support for any other workouts, no possibility of iOS notifications etc. The interval training I had set up on Garmin Connect can no longer be sent to the device. I am now presented with the "Device does not support Workouts" error message.

      Without interval training, I do not believe Garmin is a suitable running watch. It is very limited now. Unfortunately, I strained my hamstring last week. So not only can I not run before my first marathon (which is frustrating enough!), I cannot test the watch to see if it is working correctly.

      If there are other Garmin Fenix users that have experienced problems with losing a GPS signal, I would love to hear how you resolved the issue and whether it was a hardware or software issue (because Garmin are contradicting themselves on this).

      Kevin

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  234. Bart

    I have a Fenix running 4.14b. Clearly there are several issues with the beta software as can be confirmed by searching the Garmin forums. The only issues I have recently experienced are the inability to come anywhere near accurate indoor distance calculation without a foot pod and the hugely inaccurate calorie count indoors with a foot pod. My serious concern at this point is the Fenix is a dead product. There is absolutely no incentive for Garmin to further develop or fix the Fenix. It doesn't appear that they care to anger Fenix owners and it makes them no money whatsoever to further develop it. Their sole focus, from the Garmin group, will be on the Fenix 2. Evidence of Garmin's overall lack of care for customers using older non-current products is available on the Garmin forums as well. For instance, the new Garmin Connect has nearly rendered useless several models including the 205, 305, 405, etc. My opinion is that, because of the increased pressure on fitness watches from new entrants in the market and smart phones, Garmin's stategy to survive in this market is to render useless in the fashion of Microsoft and Apple their old products. Unfortunately, we will never see the success and longevity from any other Garmin product like we did from the 305, the very watch that spawned a revolution as well as DC Rainmaker.

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    • Kevin Muldoon replied

      I haven't tried the indoor tracking as yet.

      Unfortunately, I have to agree with you that it looks like Garmin is not going to support the Fenix much longer due to the release of the Fenix 2. I hope we are wrong. Companies need to realise that if they support a product, customers will continue to support that brand.

      There is a small glimmer of hope that they will continue to sell Fenix as the entry level product to the Fenix range. This would hopefully mean more beta updates and, fingers crossed, a stable production release that adds the additional features introduced in the beta software.

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    • Rainmaker replied

      I don't know, everything that they're doing seems the opposite of what you're saying.

      They've released beta versions for the Fenix1 of new features, they've opened up an e-mail address to triage issues on those features. They're still doing it, this week in fact, despite the fact that a new product is there.

      In fact, if I look at every sport watch ever made in the history of GPS devices from any company - no team has added more features post-release than the Fenix1 team. If you look at my review above (which was updated last summer), it's already far out of date for new features that are there. Let alone comparing it to things that were added in the first year.

      If you want to blame Garmin for not updating other products (plenty to pick from), I'm there with ya. But, one really can't say that on the Fenix side. Because there's overwhelming evidence to the contrary. And remember, look at the review, I was the harshest critic there was when it came to the Fenix originally.

      Their plan is to take these features from beta to stable production over the coming weeks and months, on the Fenix1. (Said in that I just got off a call with the team 10 minutes ago).

      Just my two cents....

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    • Kevin Muldoon replied

      Though were these updates not necessary because the device was so buggy in the first place? Every single review of the Fenix says the same thing about it being a good looking device that fails because of it being buggy.

      So one way to look at it is that the Fenix team have supported it a lot post-release. Another would be that these beta releases are simply addressing problems that should have been addressed before the watch was even released. From what I have read, Garmin used their customers as beta testers in man ways.

      I am, however, very encouraged to hear that they are hoping to make these features stable within the coming weeks. I am happy to wait a few months if it means that the features will be added later.

      Once concern I do have is the warranty. The watch only has a one year warranty. In the space of two emails I was told that it was not a software problem and then told the complete opposite. It's all well for me to wait a few months and see if the next stable release fixes the problem the watch currently has; but what if I find out the watch actually has a hardware problem. Do Garmin have a reputation for taking faulty products back after the warranty has expired?

      I appreciate the update about the the next stable release. Here's hoping it fixes the problems that people are having with the watch. Apart from the issue I had with the signal being lost, I love the watch :)

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    • Martin replied

      Garmin replaced my 205 not once, but twice outside of the warranty period. The fact that they support their products so well is why I didn't look at another brand when upgrading(just bought the Fenix 1 b/c of the price drop).

      Reply
    • Kevin Muldoon replied

      I'm currently talking to the UK repair team as the Fenix beta team didn't reply to my email.

      I have not been able to track a run correctly over the last few weeks. Yesterday it tracked a one mile run as two miles and today my three mile run was tracked as twenty nine miles - and apparently it only took me sixteen seconds.

      On my run today, the watch automatically switched off and on over thirty times. They still believe that it is software related, but I'm not so sure.

      They promised me yesterday that they would call me this morning, but did not. They did, however, send me an automatic email reply acknowledging the fact that I send them my files to look at. I'll need to chase them up tomorrow. Support seems like it is good, but I am disappointed with how the watch is so buggy (even more so after downgrading to 4.00).

      Just upgraded to 4.15. Will try that tomorrow and see if that tracks my run correctly.

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  235. Joe

    Hi Ray,

    Thanks for the great review, and all your reviews. Because of your reviews, I've bought. . .well, let's not talk about how much I've bought.

    I had a question regarding my newly acquired Garmin Fenix 2. Is it the same size/shape as the Fenix 1? I'm wondering if screen protectors and charging cradles from the Fenix 1 would work for the Fenix 2.

    Thanks!

    Joe

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Yup, externally the cases are identical. The screen is slightly curved on the Fenix2 though, so that might be troublesome to the screen protector. But chargers/etc I use interchangeably.

      Thanks for the comments, I appreciate it!

      Reply
  236. richard

    dc rainmaker i m wondering if u can answer my qustion...I have installed garmin express into my pc , but i just couln't use the " link to connect" function for some unknown reason, so that i couldn't set garmin express to automatically upload activity from my fenix to GC ... i am wondering is there any another software that will automatically uoload activity from garmin device to GC( beside Garmin Express) ??

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    • Rainmaker replied

      Hmm, that's odd. I'd have to defer to Garmin support on that one, as I'm not super deep on troubleshooting Garmin Express since it's fairly new (and, kinda fidgety). But, they've been iterating versions pretty quickly, I believe one last came out Friday.

      There's no other automated means besides that (you can manually upload of course), or use the older Garmin Communicator web plugin.

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    • eden replied

      mine is automatically uploading., check your anti-virus maybe its blocking ur watch to be read by your pc. and check also ur setting in GE.
      may i ask what is ur software version?
      mine is still in 2.10 but there is a 4.00. how can i update it to 4.00?
      dc rainmaker, can u help?

      Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      It should work on either version. I'd definitely recommend contacting Garmin Support.

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  237. Max

    Hello Rainmaker, before you buy Garmin fenix and tempe sensor, I have a technical question:
    the software rounds up or truncates the decimal ?

    1- Rounds up
    Example
    Basecamp shows 15.4°C - display shows 15°C
    basecamp shows 15.5°C - display shows 16°C

    2- Truncates
    Example
    basecamp shows 15.9°C - display shows 15°C

    I hope it's understandable

    Thanks

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  238. Richard

    question regarding fenix 1 memory :

    When I connected my fenix 1 to the computer, the pc said there is about 24Mb available space in my watch...but on the other hand , I read your review on fenix 1 that suggest there is only about 20Mb free space in the watch
    ....so which one is true?... 24Mb or 20Mb? If 20 Mb is true ..What will happen when I used all that 20Mb in my watch? Will it continue recording activities normally ?

    Another question I want to know is about the 'low memory signal' in fenix 1...when exactly will the ' low memory signal ' appear ?...my watch has about 4Mb left (out of 24Mb) on the watch...but the message didn't appear , is this a bug ? should I send my watch back ?

    Thx for reading my questions...hopefully Rainmaker, u can give me some advice ....

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    • Rainmaker replied

      They may have changed things around a bit since my initial review on how space is optimized.

      As for low memory, I don't remember ever hitting a low-memory point to be honest, so I can't much comment on when exactly it fires. Thus, it may fire at 1MB left vs 4MB or some other number.

      The Fenix will warn you when memory is full than you need to delete some activities to continue recording. If you use Garmin Express, it'll automatically copy all the activities to Garmin Connect, so you have a backup there.

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  239. Martin

    Ray,

    Has there been any indication by Garmin that the slow activity saving will be resolved in the Fenix 1 as it just was in the Fenix 2? Not sure if that has ever been communicated to you. Thanks!

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    • Rainmaker replied

      I don't know. However, another beta update was released yesterday, so may be worth giving a whirl. Much of the codebase is shared.

      Reply
  240. Sara B.

    Can anyone help me find the HR graph data field set-up? I feel like I've looked and looked and can't figure out how to set it up. I'm sure I'm just overlooking it...

    Thanks!

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  241. Adrian

    Have the firmware updates to the F1 given it the ability for smartphone notifications(i.e. text, email, social) similar to the F2?

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  242. Oscar Roig

    Hello Ray,
    I'm trying to replace my beloved FR305 with something more up to date. I only run, pavement or trails and I'm looking for something with a quick GPS lock and a long battery for running ultramarathons. Spme things like intervals and the good stuff that the 305 has would be welcome. Ideally I would go for the Fenix2 but since my budget is tight I'm looking at the Ambit 2R, which has ways to stretch the battery, or the Fenix. I wonder how the Fenix stacks up today with all the updates it has seen since based on your initial review doesn't sound like a good deal.

    Thanks a lot and keep up the good work.

    Reply
    • Rainmaker replied

      It's made a lot of progress since my initial review. I'd actually really just look at the Tactix review, which has all the exact same features these days except tidal tables and the green backlight. Same functionality otherwise though.

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  243. After a ton of experience including an 18 hour run last weekend I want to share some about the Fenix pertaining to the 18 hour run.
    * I am currently on the most recent firmware.
    * I played around with ultra track some, but decided to go with normal tracking mode.
    * I left the watch set to record most often in auto mode (it recorded every second).
    * I had it set to only write .fit files. The fenix will only write 10,000 waypoints to a gpx file before it overwrites. This would not be enough for my run. .fit files are only limited by the watches overall memory availability.
    * I turned off all external ant sensors
    Observations:
    * Battery lasted for ~10.25 hours.
    * Battery meter stated ~20 percent remaining when the watch just shut off (luckily I saw it shut off, so I did not lose much time)
    * Upon shutdown I plugged the watch into a portable charger in my vest and it turned back on. It picked up at the same spot it left off, so no real data loss (was very unsure what it would do in this case and happy it saved the data)
    * Watch very quickly went from 20 to 95% charged. After 30 minutes I pulled it off the charger. Battery life dropped to 60% very quickly. I plugged it back in for a while and it was back to almost full charge and this time it only dropped to 85%. At home I fully charged it and everything appears normal. Sitting at 98% after a few days in watch (no gps) mode. My theory is that the battery meter on the watch does not work properly and it prematurely says it has more charge than it really does. I believe that once it hits 99 or 100 it is good to go, but at 95 it is not really charged.
    * At one point I lost sat reception for around 30 minutes. I was in pretty heavy tree canopy.

    Overall I am very happy with the fenix. Outside of the battery meter I feel it is just as stable as the 910xt (previous watch). The three big advantage over the 910xt are 1) ABC functionality 2) Ability to put custom maps in addition to the very blank base map it comes with (this is not an official Garmin capability, but it can be done - if interested shoot me a comment on here and I will let you know how) 3) Superior charger dock. I had issues with the 910 clip staying in place, Fenix locks on to its base, you know it is charging.

    One of the areas the 910 is better is battery life (it has a bigger battery). Ultra-track may be the solution to this. I will be testing this out more on an upcoming backpacking trip.

    I have done a lot of tinkering around with this watch, if you have any questions about it feel free to ask.

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    • Brian replied

      Justus - Interesting comment, I had a similar experience with my Fenix recently on a Grand Canyon Rim to Rim to Rim trail run, that took about 17 hours (just under!). I posted my comments in the Fenix forum at Garmin's site, linked below:

      link to forums.garmin.com

      "Fenix vs Grand Canyon in a Rim to Rim to Rim Trail Run"

      Excerpt:

      The reason I upgraded to the Fenix (from a Garmin Forerunner 405) was mainly:

      - 100% waterproofing
      - Enhanced battery life (15+ hours versus 8+ for the 405)
      - Enhanced ANT+ support (mainly the Tempe sensor for external Temperature readings)

      All of the above would allow me to use the device to record activities that I planned as I transitioned from marathoning, and into some other type of adventures, such as ultra trail marathons, and a planned Rim to Rim to Rim running of the Grand Canyon.

      Well I got to test out the ability of the Fenix against Rim to Rim to Rim (R3) back on 5/18/14. This post will set out to score how well the Fenix handled the punishment of such an event, mostly the 15+ hour nature.

      First, the basics:

      Fenix 1, purchased 12/2013, running beta Firmware version 4.17 (the latest tested FW available as of 5/18).
      Normal GPS mode (i.e. no Ultra Trac)
      ANT+ connected: (all Garmin branded) HRM, Tempe, Footpod (later, see below)
      No Bluetooth enabled
      Full Charge over the night before
      Alerts set every mile lap, beep only (no vibration)
      Special alerts set for every 5280 ascent/descent

      Here is how it went: (continued at link above)

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  244. After reading all the details, it took a while to find out if you can use this for open water training in the ocean.
    After looking at the table which has what it can be do and not do.
    So it looks like you can swim open water and it will record distance?

    Great review Thanks Mark

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    • Rainmaker replied

      You can use it, but you'll need to do so in your swim cap, otherwise the distance will be off. The Fenix2 however supports openwater swimming on your wrist (as it's more of a triathlon watch).

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  245. Karl Schuttler

    Hi.

    I am trying to update my unit and it says not enough memory. I have nothing saved on the unit except one route.

    Any advise please.

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  246. Pston

    I blew up my fenix with a rotten carplug while finishing my south down trail in england. Everything lost. 3 months past my 1 year guarantee, but clever training provided a completely new watch. Great service...!

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  247. stephen drew

    I have a Garmin 1000 and Fenix 2. Is it possible to switch the HR monitor straps ?. Are they pre-programmed for the specific device?. Is it possible to get a spare strap and synch it to the Fenix 2?

    Thanks

    Steve

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    • Rainmaker replied

      You can pair any ANT+ strap to any device, or to multiple devices concurrently. No problems there.

      Reply
  248. stephen drew

    Thank you DC Rainmaker. I was not performing a New Search and that's why it was not picking up the new HR monitor

    I have one more question please. My Fenix 2 pairs with all the Wattbike sensors on my home Wattbike but not the gym Wattbike, which is the same model. Would this be because the gym is in a basement?, or is it likely something else?. Thank you

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    • Rainmaker replied

      I suspect it's because the Wattbike at the gym has a different firmware level than yours at home. I believe you can double-check that through the menus.

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  249. Martin

    Sorry if you've already answered this, but can you/anyone tell me if the Fenix 1 is supposed to switch to the accelerometer in the event of a signal loss? I don't think mine does, unless there is a setting that I'm not aware of. Thanks!

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  250. Ho Bo

    Thx for this great review.
    I bought the fenix first for ski touring. It works great there.

    But now, I want to use it to monitor and record my heart during indoor training, with constantly showing the heart rate on the screen.
    I'm not using any other sensors, even no footpod.
    Is this possible?
    I put the fenix into indoor mode, the hrm sensor is connected, but I simply can't start a session nor keep the heart rate always on the screen.

    Thx

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  251. Guy Montag

    I sway between the Fenix, FR 910XT and FR 620. I had a 310XT with battery down to few hours - i sold it on ebay.
    The fenix 2 features (powermeter, swim metrics) I don't need. I usually used the 310Xt for running, bicycle tours and hiking (battery lasts very long). The navigation features are not so interesting - I use an Android map with OSM or other free maps for that. Recording gps is usually more reliable on a special device like the Garmins.
    From battery life it would be the FR 920XT - but does the fenix (1s recording) also last like the fenix 2 (about 15h - DCR did not retest and jsut stated it would be hard to have real word tests on that for fenix 1).

    Any feedback for battery life on fenix 1 is welcome as well whether it si usefull as running watch and for bicycle tours (just record the track and speed).
    I have the HRM belt and foot pod from my 310XT.

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  252. Bam Beckham

    Hi, I've just bought my Fenix 2. Previously I was using simple Suunto training watches. So this is my first time using navigator watch. I'm sorry if my question a bit late to ask. Just asking if the Fenix 2 can connect to Blackberry smartphone (Torch)?

    Thanks
    Bam

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  253. kariche

    Hello,
    First, thank you for this comprehensive test, sorry if my English is not good, I'm french.
    I have the Fenix ​​and I can not find Auto Save, Auto Start? thank you for your rest.
    I watch update, Version 4.70

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  254. Jørgen

    Hi kariche.

    Try to see the bottom of page 9, in the English instructions. Section "Track Settings".
    Is this what you are looking for?

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    • kariche replied

      Thank you Jørgen ! is mistranslated in French !

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  255. Jørgen

    After updating to software version 4.8, compass calibration works for the first time.
    The compass also worked before calibration, so it was not a big problem.
    Impressive Garmin still comes with updates, to an "outdated" product (thumbs up).

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  256. Bart Bouse

    So after numerous problems with the Fenix I got in February, I sent it back to Garmin. By example, six of the last eight times I used it before I sent it back it froze, died, or wouldn't connect to a foot pod. I got the refurb in the mail yesterday. It came with firmware 4.2 loaded. I immediately loaded 4.8 as I wanted to be able to sync with my iphone 6 over the Garmin Connect app. I left it connected to bluetooth at 11:00 p.m. last night with the hopes of wearing it today to finally check out the notifications, etc. even though I'm not terribly interested in using it as a day to day watch. It had 70% charge at this time. 8:00 a.m. this morning, low battery warning showing 3%. Ray is familiar with my rants about this piece. I think I'm done with the Fenix. It clearly appears that the second won't be any better than the 1st. It's charging now and I may take it for a run after work. However, I'm not excited about it. With smartphones for navigation and other better options on the market for gps watch, I simply can't recommend the Fenix to anyone.

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  257. Francisco Rubio

    Seems that Fenix 1 , received several firmware updates!
    link to www8.garmin.com

    Full functionallity on Android?

    Somebody out there that could tell me if i should still buy Fenix 1 , instead a FR220 ?

    Reply
    • DC Rainmaker replied

      They are really two totally different watches. Both have similar Android upload compatibility, but differ in other areas like Live Tracking and concurrent ANT+/phone connectivity.

      In general, if you're looking for a great all around GPS running watch, I'd go FR220 (or the new Polar M400) instead.

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    • Francisco replied

      Thanks Ray for your time.
      Yes, i know that are 2 different watches , but Fenix 1 Performance Bundle has a really good price 250USD vs FR220 289USD.

      I'm using a FR305 , i'm not a triath.. , and i ocasionally use de bike.

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  258. Enrico

    Hello Ray,

    Do you happen to know if the newer style cadence sensor from Garmin (the separate pod version) is working with the Fenix?

    PS i just recently discovered your site and i love it.

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