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The Week in Review is a collection of both all the goodness I’ve written during the past week around the internet, as well as a small pile of links I found interesting – generally endurance sports related. I’ve often wondered what to do with all of the coolness that people write, and while I share a lot of it on Twitter and Facebook, this is a better forum for sending it on to y’all. Most times these different streams don’t overlap, so be on the lookout at all these places for good stuff!
So with that, let’s get into the action!
Sports Tech Deals:
There’s still tons of deals out and about, including some renewed/bigger Apple Watch Series 6 and SE deals, if you’re looking to squeak in a deal before the end of the year. Most of these deals will end on/about Christmas.
These are the just-released AirPod Pro 3, with optical heart rate sensors in them. These are my daily-driver headphones these days, and even more notably, the heart rate accuracy is incredibly good in these.
This is the first major sale for the Apple Watch SE 3, which came out just 2 months ago. It's essentially Apple's 'budget' offering, yet it still has all the same software features as a higher-end Apple Watch Series 11, as long as the hardware permits.
This is the first time we've seen the Apple Watch Ultra 3 on sale, and given it's $100 off, that tends to be the typical sale price for the holidays/Black Friday for the current/just-released version.
This is last year's model. And sure, the Action 6 came out 48 hours ago, but honestly, the initial rection hasn't been kind there. I just started testing it, so more to come very shortly.
Look, don't buy this drone. This is the drone that never should have left the napkin at the lunch table at DJI's HQ. The unit breaks easily (as I, and many others found out), and doesn't really do anything super well. Literally, buy any other DJI drone except htis one...you're welcome.
This is a great little drone as your first drone, especially for sports usage, where it'll do an astonishing job following you (running, cycling, etc...). And, you can crash it a gazillion times without any problem.
This is the activity tracker that both of our oldest daughters have used for years (age 8 & 9), as well as most of their friends now. They/we all like it. Check out my full in-depth review for all my thoughts. That said, the new Bounce 2 came out two months ago, and while my review isn't out yet, it's a far better product. But, quite a bit more too. The TLDR on that review will be that it's the best kids smartwatch/tracker to date (for both parents and kids), but obviously will cost you $100 more.
⚡This is a very solid deal, and is still one of the best bike computers Garmin has ever made, especially when you look at the battery side of things (it lasts far longer than the Edge 1050).
⚡At $249, it's pretty much impossible to beat this deal in terms of bike computers. There's no competitive option that beats it on features/battery/etc at this price, or frankly anywhere near it. Sure, it doesn't have a touchscreen, but it's not as bad as it used to be (I did a stint on it this winter for a week or so, and was fine).
⚡⚡This is the lowest price we've seen on the Garmin Edge 540 Solar to date, which has gained virtually all of the new Garmin Edge 1050 features as well. And notably, lower than the Edge 540 without solar (which is kinda silly, but hey, win for us!).
This is the lowest price we've seen on this to date. The Enduro 3 is simply the Fenix 8 with a MIP/Solar display (but without the scuba or voice calling features). It gets all the Fenix 8 features and updates otherwise.
⚡⚡⚡ This is a fantastic deal. By far the lowest price we've seen this! The Epix Pro has a flashlight which the regular Epix lacks, plus the newer Garmin Elevate Gen5 optical HR sensor with ECG support.
⚡⚡⚡ This is a fantastic deal. By far the lowest price we've seen this! The Epix Pro has a flashlight which the regular Epix lacks, plus the newer Garmin Elevate Gen5 optical HR sensor with ECG support. Note: Availability on this deal fluctuates, just keep checking back, I'm sure it'll pop back again (it always does).
⚡ If you wanted the battery life of a Fenix MIP series without the cost of a Fenix 8, this is basically your best deal. Plus, unlike the base Fenix 7 series, the Pro series includes the flashlight and Gen5 HR sensor with ECG.
⚡ If you wanted the battery life of a Fenix MIP series without the cost of a Fenix 8, this is basically your best deal. Plus, unlike the base Fenix 7 series, the Pro series includes the flashlight and Gen5 HR sensor with ECG.
⚡ The Fenix 8 keeps getting all the new software features of the Fenix 8 Pro that was launched two months ago. Setting aside that Fenix 8 Pro which gained LTE & Satellite Messaging, this is otherwise the most capable sports watch on the market.
⚡ The Fenix 8 keeps getting all the new software features of the Fenix 8 Pro that was launched two months ago. Setting aside that Fenix 8 Pro which gained LTE & Satellite Messaging, this is otherwise the most capable sports watch on the market.
As a general rule, the Fenix E is the watch that literally nobody is buying, and makes no sense at higher prices. The hardware is simply the Epix Gen 2 with Fenix stamped on it. That watch is going for $400, though I expect we'll see it down to $300 over Black Friday. However, one *KEY* difference with the Fenix E, is that it includes all of the software features of the newer Fenix 8, whereas the Epix Gen 2 doesn't get all the new software features. Otherwise, save your $200.
⚡ This is (by far) the lowest price on the Forerunner 265, which was recently replaced by the Forerunner 570 (but at nearly twice this price). What's fascinating about this sale price, is it's well beyond the usual sale prices for Garmin for this product. This pricing is 100% an Kansas-themed 'Hello!' to COROS and their just released COROS Pace 4 at $249.
The Foreurnner 55 is a great option if you simply don't want to spend a ton, but still want a super-capable runners watch (and general activity/sleep tracking watch). I've heard a lot of you get it for teenagers that run, as a great/inexpensive way to track their runs, and still be a good everyday watch.
This is the lowest price to date on the Forerunner 965, which is logical given the Forerunner 970 came out this past spring (which essentialy adds a flashlight and some other running metrics/features).
The Garmin Inded BPM is Garmin's medically certified blood pressure monitor. It integrates directly into your Garmin Connect account. I use it on occasion as a comparison for wearables, and it works just fine (obviously it's already medically certified by the FDA, so I say 'works' here in the sense of usability/functionality/etc...).
The Instinct 3 series came out earlier this year, with both an AMOLED and Solar variants. The big upgrade over the previous editions is the inclusion of the flashlight in all sizes, and a massive ugprade of sports features.
The Instinct 3 series came out earlier this year, and the Solar edition in particular has 'unlimited' battery life in certain scenarios. The big upgrade over the previous editions is the inclusion of the flashlight in all sizes, and a massive ugprade of sports features.
This is Garmin's radar without the light, so it's a bit smaller as a result. Same radar tech though, and compatible with Garmin/COROS/Hammerhead/Wahoo bike computers.
This is Garmin's standalone radar+taillight option, and $149 is pretty much the standard sale-price. Even despite all the new radars out there, this remains the most accurate option on the market. Now, only if Garmin would just re-release it with USB-C. C'Mon Garmin...maybe next year?
This is the first time this product has been on sale, since launching last spring. I'd argue it could have used a $100 off sale...but hey...they don't consult me.
⚡ This is the lowest price we've seen on the newest product in the entire Garmin Holiday 2025 sale lineup. This is basically a blend of a Forerunner 970, Venu 4, and Fenix 8...but super thin. It's argueably one of the best deals here at $599, though, Garmin is still clearly trying to figure out the right pricing to drive purchases.
⚡ This is the first time we've seen the Vivoactive 6 on sale, which is essentially a Venu 4, but without the voice/calling/ECG features (and a few other tidbits). It's probably one of the best deals in Garmin's lineup (sale or otherwise).
⚡ This is the lowest price we've ever seen for this. This is my defacto satellite communicator when out of coverage area, and I've used it on a number of major treks over the past two years when well outside of cellular service, both in a 24x7 tracking mode for friends and family, but also there in case of emergency. Would strongly recommend for anyone doing anything in the wilderness.
This came out last fall, and is the second time this has been discounted, but now to the lowest price to date. The key difference with the new Plus model is that it adds the ability to send photos and voice messenges via satellite. I've used it a bit, and it's pretty cool because it makes it a lot faster to just say something rather than type it out, but the $499 price seemed excessive. $399 makes it slightly more palatable.
This is GoPro's budget option, which includes a full color touchscreen on the back as well. The main benefit is it's super small, but note it's not quite in the same quality ballpark as their higher-end cameras. If you want size and GoPro ecosystem on a budget, this is an option. But with the DJI Action 4 just $20 more than $199, that offers notably better quality.
This has become one of my favorite drones, given it's tiny size (fits in my running shorts pockets) and ease of use. Plus, you can crash the crap out of it (hundreds of times for me and my wife) without any issues. This combo includes an extra battery and fast charger.
This is a solid deal on a solid drone, and one of the two main ones I use when taking videos of myself hiking or running. This includes the two extra batteries as well as the fast charger (so 3 batteries total).
This is one of the best 360 action cams on the market, alongside the GoPro Max 2 (both have their pros and cons, check out my full comparison guide linked).
This is the go-to sales price for the NEO 2T, though has become more frequent over the past year. It's still an incredible trainer, and is the top-end non-moving trainer from Garmin/Tacx.
⚡ This is the lowest price we've seen to date on the Tacx NEO 3M, and finally takes it down to a semi-logical price (compared to it's competitors). This is a good buy, and obviously, given it's only a year old, I definitely don't expectany sort of new version of this anytime soon (the last NEO series unit was about 5 years between versions).
This simulates the up and down motion on Wahoo KICKR trainers moving your bike up and down. Also, there's virtually no product except SNAP, that Wahoo likes to put on sale more. Wouldn't be a sale around here unless this thing was discounted.
⚡ This is a very solid deal for this bike, and the lowest price to date. I actually like the KICKR BIKE SHIFT more than the higher-end KICKR BIKE V2/Pro, mainly because it's both quiter, and seems to be more resillient to issues (less complex design).
⚡This is actually the lowest price we've ever seen on the KICKR V6. Wahoo says we won't see a new top-end KICKR this fall, with them instead focusing on the new KICKR Bike Pro, KICKR CORE 2, and all their new bike computers/radar/etc...
DCRAINMAKER.COM Posts in the Past Week:
Here’s all the goodness that ended up on the main page this past week:
Here’s a not-so-small smattering of all the random things that I stumbled on while doing my civic duty to find the end of the Internet (also, this is really the last two weeks, as I didn’t quite hit publish on last week’s collection):
1) EU approves Google & Fitbit deal: Notable conditions include not being able to use health/fitness data for targeting of ads for EU users only. I suspect once this is approved we’ll see the likes of Apple & Garmin go hard on this point for non-US users in…well..ads (since neither company sells their health/fitness data).
2) Stryd starts to define what their running power actually is: This is a long time coming, and while it seems super nuanced – it’s not. One of the core issues I, and many others, have with running power is the actual definition of it. Nobody agrees upon it, which is the core reason why you see major differences between Stryd, Garmin, Polar, and others – they all define definitely what or isn’t included. Sorta like if making a cake, one company says the icing should be included while another company says only cake but not filling either. Roughly. Will this increase popularity of running power? Of course not. At this point the only remaining chance of that happening is Garmin introducing truly native running power support (including things like structured workout support, being wrist based, etc…). Simply because they have the market share to make it work where others don’t – not because their algorithm is better or worse than others.
3) Westin ends New Balance workout clothes/shoes for guests partnership: While I never took advantage of this during my travels (mainly cause…when would I ever not travel with a pair of running shoes/clothes?) – I did appreciate the concept. Will be interesting to see if in a future COVID-free world if something like this comes back or not.
4) Behind the scenes on Garmin commercial production: This is the second time the company has shown some behind the scenes bits – but this was actually super fascinating, specifically how they used a private YouTube livestream to allow people at Garmin to remotely provide feedback (from a boat no less!).
5) DJI faces host of restrictions in the US: While the company isn’t on a ‘blacklist’ as some on Twitter suggested, it will make it more challenging for the company to source US based parts. But at this point won’t prevent US consumers from buying products.
6) Garmin introduces CIQ payment notifications: Essentially if an app requires some sort of payment, you’ll now see a new notice. However, Garmin Connect IQ still doesn’t have any method of actually buying an app in-house. Obviously that makes life immensely more complicated for Garmin, but at the same time, it makes it far less messier for end users.
Sports Tech Device Firmware Updates This Week:
Each week I quickly highlight some of the new firmware, app, software, and website service updates that I see go out. If you’re a sports technology company and release an update – shoot me a quick note (just one-liners are perfect, or Tweet it at me is even better) and I’ll make mention of it here. If I don’t know about it, I won’t be able to post about it. Sound good? Oh – and if you want to get a head start on things, this page is a great resource for watching Garmin, Wahoo, Polar, and a few other firmware updates.
GoPro Hero 9 Firmware Update: Increases wireless offload speeds by 30%, improves HyperSmooth 3.0, support for older mic adapter and more
Polar Vantage V2 Firmware Update: Adds training targets based on power, last lap training views (woot!), and ZonePointer for Power & Speed zones, and a few other goodies
Nearly bought a set of Powerbeats Pro until I realised they are an Apple product and use their nonsense cables rather than USB like the rest of the world. Disaster averted!
Are you going back in the water to test out the RIVAL firmware update?
I’m not sure I’ll jump in right now. Maybe if I need to test something else I’ll do it as a combo dish.
I’ve got some data sets from earlier this month actually that I need to update that include the OWS fixes noted in that firmware update (these are on the most recent beta now production).
So I did try the GH5 a bit, and used it for something (I can’t remember what). I found it was a bit finicky for my liking, specifically having to set the mode each time on the back display panel.
That said, the main limiter there for me is simply that I leave one GH5 almost always mounted as my main A camera, so I try not to dork with it much. The second one is the floater for b-roll/b-camera.
I found that an interesting article on running power linked above, that uses simple language to tackle the emotive initial challenge from most folks; that directly measured mechanical power is the gold standard and the only sort that matters, so why bother with all of these imprecise estimates. For running, metabolic power is more relevant it seems, as there’s not a linear relationship between mechanical power and metabolic power, as is the case for cycling. Perhaps Stryd should explicitly start calling their power ‘metabolic power’ and be really clear why; the arguments in this article are helping to win me over from being a running power cynic.
Trying to keep an open mind about Running Power. If nothing else it is a pleasant switch from other contemporary topics. Since there isn’t much licensing of the concept between device makers the state of things seems scattered and provisional. Looks like Ray’s first article on it was in 2017 so it has been lurking around more years than I remembered.
There are a variety of estimated numbers that people have grown accustomed to using and over time. Wind chill comes to mind. People do generally trust wind chill and adjust their outdoor clothing selection. Having a similar number that accounts for the impact of wind on running effort would be handy. Calorie burn is also an estimate. Apparently at a precision level that few are concerned about & simultaneously not trusted enough that people pay to get Running Power.
Part of the concern is that people want their numbers to be directly comparable to a rival’s numbers. We probably don’t get that with Running Power with the current state of technology. In the US at least, a squishy placebo that gets more people to exercise consistently is a win.
If you lack the scientific background to understand the Stryd paper, here’s a very good interpretation by Alex Hutchinson: link to outsideonline.com
My take-away from Alex’ article is that Stryd as a specialist company is doing things differently and better than, say, Garmin. Unfortunately since running power is more complex to understand a running power meter is probably never going to be as popular as a bicycling power meter because it’s a much tougher sell to prospective buyers. It needs more explanation than the simple number as is the case for bicylcing, or it less suitable for easy comparision with your sporting buddies.
BTW Alex Hutchinson is the author of the very interesting book “Endure: Mind, Body, and the Curiously Elastic Limits of Human Performance”
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No Beta for Edge 830 Units, only 1030 plus.
Here’s the Edge 830 link: link to www8.garmin.com
Cheers!
thanks, you are still faster than Garmin itself, no sign at the Forums horizon for that one.
Don’t know if this still is a problem
New firmware 1.5 locks your streaming bitrate to 800kbps. Down from 2500-4000kbps.
link to community.gopro.com
Nearly bought a set of Powerbeats Pro until I realised they are an Apple product and use their nonsense cables rather than USB like the rest of the world. Disaster averted!
Are you going back in the water to test out the RIVAL firmware update?
I’m not sure I’ll jump in right now. Maybe if I need to test something else I’ll do it as a combo dish.
I’ve got some data sets from earlier this month actually that I need to update that include the OWS fixes noted in that firmware update (these are on the most recent beta now production).
Do you use (have you tried) the LUMIX as a webcam? Or do you use the GoPro 9?
hero 9; and haven’t updated the firmware (yet), so my live streams aren’t affected luckily.
So I did try the GH5 a bit, and used it for something (I can’t remember what). I found it was a bit finicky for my liking, specifically having to set the mode each time on the back display panel.
That said, the main limiter there for me is simply that I leave one GH5 almost always mounted as my main A camera, so I try not to dork with it much. The second one is the floater for b-roll/b-camera.
I found that an interesting article on running power linked above, that uses simple language to tackle the emotive initial challenge from most folks; that directly measured mechanical power is the gold standard and the only sort that matters, so why bother with all of these imprecise estimates. For running, metabolic power is more relevant it seems, as there’s not a linear relationship between mechanical power and metabolic power, as is the case for cycling. Perhaps Stryd should explicitly start calling their power ‘metabolic power’ and be really clear why; the arguments in this article are helping to win me over from being a running power cynic.
Agree. People who use running power are effectively using it as a placebo.
Trying to keep an open mind about Running Power. If nothing else it is a pleasant switch from other contemporary topics. Since there isn’t much licensing of the concept between device makers the state of things seems scattered and provisional. Looks like Ray’s first article on it was in 2017 so it has been lurking around more years than I remembered.
There are a variety of estimated numbers that people have grown accustomed to using and over time. Wind chill comes to mind. People do generally trust wind chill and adjust their outdoor clothing selection. Having a similar number that accounts for the impact of wind on running effort would be handy. Calorie burn is also an estimate. Apparently at a precision level that few are concerned about & simultaneously not trusted enough that people pay to get Running Power.
Part of the concern is that people want their numbers to be directly comparable to a rival’s numbers. We probably don’t get that with Running Power with the current state of technology. In the US at least, a squishy placebo that gets more people to exercise consistently is a win.
Physical power = metabolic power… In terms on calories used maybe, but not physiological load, which is why we have normalised power
DCR froze his bits off to make that RIVAL firmware update possible, amirite?
Indeed. I tested the beta back a few weeks ago. Seems to really help for swimming (still pretty mixed beyond that though).
Sometime since the last time I charged it, Polar OH1+ got a firmware update.
Way back on 11/23: link to support.polar.com
(editing works great!)
Nice catch! Will have to get mine updated!
Hi Ray.
Looks like the Garmin inReach Mini deals may have expired.
Amazon and REI links are for pretty close to full $350.
REI has KICKR Core in stock.
link to rei.com
If you lack the scientific background to understand the Stryd paper, here’s a very good interpretation by Alex Hutchinson: link to outsideonline.com
My take-away from Alex’ article is that Stryd as a specialist company is doing things differently and better than, say, Garmin. Unfortunately since running power is more complex to understand a running power meter is probably never going to be as popular as a bicycling power meter because it’s a much tougher sell to prospective buyers. It needs more explanation than the simple number as is the case for bicylcing, or it less suitable for easy comparision with your sporting buddies.
BTW Alex Hutchinson is the author of the very interesting book “Endure: Mind, Body, and the Curiously Elastic Limits of Human Performance”