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I’m surprised Stages can stay in business with one-sided only meters in play given P2m and 4iiii are undercutting their prices with superior products. The “unconvinced” bit just seems daft.
I suspect they’ll have to drop prices by Interbike again, likely to match 4iiii, or with a slight premium (i.e. $429) just because of being slightly more established.
I view 4iiii & Stages (both left-only variants anyway) as basically the same from a functionality standpoint. Obviously, P2M is a totally different ball-game, and in my opinion worth the it to be able to capture total power.
I have two P2M (one classic, one type-S) on my two drop-bar bikes that I ride 90% of the time, but plan to get a stages for my mountain bike so I can at least capture some metrics from the times I go off-road, which is more often now that the kids are interested in mountain biking.
Ray, I considered 4iiii superior to Stages because of their new “3D Precision 2.0.” But perhaps Stages already does that.
While 4iiii may do ‘interesting stuff’ with that ‘3D’ moniker down the road, right now I don’t see it as anything other than marketing spin. Meaning, they all just transmit the same metrics over ANT+ & BLE.
In fact, technically speaking Stages also does their own homebrew high speed Bluetooth Smart option too that 4iiii doesn’t do.
Ray, I remember there was a crank arm based power meter manufacturer who planned to offer the units solo and the end user would have glued them to the crank arm himself. Think it was Stages – do you have any information if that may still be in the pipeline or if that option will never be available…?
That was 4iiii, but they’ve since switched to a program where you send in your cranks and they install it on yours.
Hi Ray, good update, thanks. Any dates on your review on Rotor’s 2Inpower? I need another PM and wondering whether to wait to see what that’s like or just add to my P2M stable. Tx
At the moment it’d be totally dependent on when they get a unit. I know they were aiming to start shipping by the end of April. It sounds like that might be a bit…tight. We’ll see.
So let’s assume they get something to me the first week or so of May, then my guess is 3-4 weeks after that for testing, so early June?
Any update on the 2INpower review? As a Q-ring user, I am intrigued by the INPower software and optimizing Q-ring position.
Add me to the list of those who’d love to see a full review of the Rotor 2INpower.
I’m a happy user of the INpower system (bought mainly b/c I’m riding Q Rings, and I liked the fact that everything is nicely hidden away in the BB).
Have thought about upgrading to dual-sided. Have considered P2M, especially with their promo at the moment, but would love to hear some feedback on the 2INpower too.
Disappointed and a bit surprised that there wasn’t a new Edge announcement from Garmin. The 810 is getting a bit long in the tooth. Guess I’ll have to keep my fingers crossed that the recent 5.10 firmware fixes the dodgy bluetooth connectivity on the current hardware.
Hi Ray,
Another site mentioned that Stages will be offering spindles compatible with Race Face Cinch cranks. Do you know which model of Stages crank would go with this? It sounds like the L/R cranks would be pretty significantly mismatched with this solution… (I am assuming you use Stages on the power side, and your original crank on the drive side.)
Hmm, I’ll poke and get clarity. I saw that note as well, though they didn’t mention it during out discussions (nor did I see any press release from them about it, which they’re usually pretty good about). Not saying it’s not true, but will check.
All the BB30 crank systems use the same spindle tooth pattern. The differences are where the teeth are located in relation to the crankarm. I know the Cinch and Cannondale Hollowgram systems are rotated vs. each other and not cross compatible. It will depend on whether the SRAM BB30 cranks match the Hollowgram or the Cinch orientation unless Stages chooses to make two BB30 versions.
I have been running the Verve infocrank with the new firmware update and magnet free. It works really well on my Scott foil (BB86). Very impressed
Hi Ray, I am hoping you can clarify something for me.
When I zero a offset a power meter from say a Garmin head unit, does the offset happen at the power meter or at the head unit? The situation which I am sure you know all to well… When riding with two or more head units and one power meter do you need to zero offset both the head units or just one and it effectively does it for the others? Thanks for your help.
If you recalibrate your Garmin it only changes the way the head unit perceive the power meter output it does not / cannot change the power meters settings.
I asked the same question while at Verve’s office in Perth WA
Hi ray
Curious what your thoughts are on the Nikola Pedals? Have tested them? Are the a worthy contender?
Thanks.
Eeks, haven’t even heard of them. :-/
Hey Ray here is a link–super curious what your thoughts are and if there is legitimacy to the 25mm lateral motion in the spindle.
Thanks!
Hi Ray. I have a newly installed Infocrank. For some reason I seem unable to set the crank length to 165 on my Garmin 1000. It just says 172.5 Automatic. . Infocrank say it is a Garmin issue, Garmin say it is an Infocrank issue. It certainly is my issue.
Any thought on the topic would be appreciated. I thought the 1000 supported different crank lengths. I seem to recall setting them for my Powertap pedals and my Stages (I am a power meter collector :)), but those options no longer seem to be on the sensors pages.????
Tim curious on your thoughts on the P1 pedals and what you liked or disliked? Are the reliable and consistent?
Thanks
Karim
Karim, between a friend and I we have 6 sets. No problems with 4. One developed a problem where it killed batteries in a few hours. Replaced immediately by the manufacturer. Another has developed a problem where it underreads 5% or so on one side. Again replacement done easily.
I like the ease of moving from bike to bike, and we get 60 hours riding from the lithium batteries which is OK.
On the minus side, for me anyway, the clip out force is quite strong, even on the loosest adjustment. I have filed the cleats to make it easier, but have had several sticky slow speed moments.
Best powermeter when using Polar V800 watch and doing triathlon?
I’m here a small big problem with my 6800 stages
On the road my ftp is 350 watts
And tacx 300 watts
for example
On the road 10 minutes at 264 watts 127 bpm avg
On tacx 10 minutes 233 watts 157 bpm avg
I do not know which FTP to use
this is on road
Not quite sure which Tacx unit your using – but one thing to look at is the rated accuracy.
Also, using the FTP is tough, because for some people they can have a higher FTP outside – while others have a higher FTP inside.
Instead you’d want to compare two file sets side by side to see where they differ.
All of this numbers are from stages
this is on the road