Thoughts on the new Boston Marathon Qualifying Standards

The running world’s been all abuzz after yesterday’s changes to the Boston Marathon qualifying times, which are slated to take effect in part later this year and then in full the following year.  At a glance the changes shorten the qualifying times by five minutes across the board – while also introducing a new registration system that allows folks with faster times to register ahead of those with slower times.  But, before we get into too many details…let’s take it one step at a time.

The Time Reductions:

First up are the time reductions of five minutes across the board.  Out of all the changes, this is the most obvious – but in my opinion not the most impactful.  These reductions simply aren’t drastic enough to make a meaningful impact in the total Boston Qualifying field.  They will simply change the makeup of the qualifying field, not meaningfully the quantity of qualified applicants for it.

You may remember my pretty detailed analysis of Boston Qualifying standardsbqtimes and times back from this fall.  If you haven’t read it yet – I highly suggest that as a quick primer to this whole discussion. The result of the analysis of years of data showed that the qualifying times simply aren’t keeping up with advances in runner times.  Further – and most importantly – there really does exist a gender and age gap when it comes to qualifying times (beyond the obvious increments in qualifying times).  One that makes it statistically easier for women (proportionally), and additionally makes it easer proportionally for both groups as they grow older.

Many were hoping that the planned cuts would more drastically look at some of the qualifying times – especially on the younger women’s front, and bring them in line with what historical and gender/age grouped marathon times show would be appropriate.  Of course, that’s in addition to cutting the men’s times. 

But that didn’t happen.

Instead, they implemented the across the board cuts of five minutes.  What this does is somewhat obvious – it effectively cuts the younger men’s groups (lowest of which covers M18-34) by a proportionally higher amount than the already disproportionate other groups.  Now – some newer readers may think this might be about me (Ray) qualifying.  I assure you…that’s not the case.  My marathon qualifying times are still jiving with the new standards by a fair bit (obviously now expired, but that’s fine, I’m not planning on running Boston again soon).

The challenge here isn’t as much the fact that they cut everyone by five minutes…it’s that they didn’t cut deep enough in other areas.  By doing so I don’t believe they made a meaningful enough change to really allow folks to predict whether or not they’ll actually get in once they run a BQ time.  Of course I believe this means that most folks will look at the new qualifying times and simply assume they now need to be five minutes faster.  Which won’t be the case.

The Graduated Registration System:

In addition to the change in qualifying times – they’ve also introduced a change in registration dates.  Instead of the typical ‘open season’ registration date of the past where everyone and anyone with a BQ time can register starting on a given date – they’ve shifted to a system where faster runners get to qualify sooner.  On face value, that’s not such a bad thing.

Here’s a quick chart of what this looks like:


As you can see, if you’ve exceeded the qualifying time by 20 minutes, then you can register first.  This first grouping actually harkens back to the ‘original’ Boston Qualifying times of sub-2:50 – effectively putting folks with qualifying times in that range automatically in.  But it also will likely heavily favor older age groups and women’s groups where the qualifying standards aren’t quite as strong as the qualifying times being posted.

I suspect we’ll see the biggest influx of registrations in the ‘minus 10 minutes’ category.  That’s where the women will largely triumph (at least based on the numbers), but also where many of the non-elite but still ‘fairly fast’ folks tend to hang out.

Then we have the ‘minus 5 minutes’ category.  This is where, quite frankly, Boston will sell out.  I simply don’t expect us to make it all the way to the ‘All qualified runners’ stage.  There are just far too many folks that beat the qualifying times by 5 minutes or more – across all age groups, but especially all age groups outside M18-34.  As a resultant of that, I suspect you’ll see the biggest shift in numbers coming out of that group.  I’m not saying that’s necessarily a bad thing, but it’s just the reality of how it’s going to go down.

Assuming for a moment that there are any slots leftover after the T-5 folks register – those slots will go to the general admission stage for people who qualified with under five minutes to spare (a lot of folks, by the way).  Entry will be held open for five days, at which point the fastest runners of that group will be given acceptance notice.

What you’re seeing is a shift from a ‘guaranteed entry’ by running a given BQ time, to a Russian roulette style entry.  In order to ensure entry, you really need to be T-10 – simply meeting the basic BQ bar isn’t going to be good enough.  While I do suspect some T-5 folks will get in, it’ll likely be restricted to only those that get lucky before it sells out.

The Qualifying Date Changes & Implications:

The last change I want to cover is the one least mentioned.  This shift involves changing the qualifying calendar window.  Historically, the qualifying window has been from roughly 19 months prior to the Boston Marathon event itself (April).  Thus, if you ran a qualifying marathon in the fall, you’d be able to enter and run that spring at Boston.

Now however, registration has shifted to early September – prior to virtually every major fall marathon out there.  Even more, the qualifying window has been shifted slightly in one direction – but substantially in the other.

Using this year as an easy example, with the race in April 2011 you could qualify on any marathon between September 2009 and April 2011 (in theory anyway, if it hadn’t sold out).  Of course, in practice this year it really meant September 2009 to October 2010 because of the sell out.  But prior to this year, you could legitimately qualify with a marathon the same year as Boston itself.  There were/are even marathon’s that dubbed themselves ‘Last Chance for Boston Marathon’, as you used to be able to qualify that late and then run Boston literally just a few weeks later.

Now, the entry period has been adjusted.  Instead, it’s a 12 month window from September to September.  Thus, looking forward, qualifying times for the April 2012 marathon will only encompass September 2010 to September 2011 (realistically, August 2011).  Of course, since the majority of marathons are run in the Fall, with a smattering in the spring – what you see is that most folks will go into Boston potentially not having run a qualifying marathon time in some 19 months.  This compared to the past when you’d likely run a qualifying time within about 6-7 months of Boston itself.

While Boston as an event for most has always been a bit of a celebration of your accomplishment more than a ‘race’, I’m curious to see what impact this will have on finishers times.  One one hand, the shift in registration system will result in significantly faster runners (i.e. the T-20 folks) who are more likely to be running fast times all year around anyway.  Yet on the other hand, you now see opportunity for folks to qualify…and then basically ignore training for a year and a half.  I’m not sure that’s necessarily a good thing.

The irony with the ‘Last Chance’ marathons is that the past 2 years made them somewhat obsolete (from a last-minute qualifying perspective), yet now these changes actually make those marathon a legitimate last-chance prior to the warmer summer season that generally lacks marathons.  What comes around goes around I suppose.


While I think that the time reductions were indeed a good start and necessary, I don’t think they realistically went far enough in the right categories to make an impact on registration day.  While I realize it’s not popular to advocate for cuts in times, one has to recognize that the current system just wasn’t feasible anymore.  Next year would have otherwise resulted in registration selling out in mere minutes…if that.

Further, while I appreciate the graduated registration system – I’m not sure it really helps runners to predict whether or not they’ll actually be able to enter come registration time.  Unless you have a T-10 qualifying time, I’d be highly hesitant to say for certain you’ll be able to register. And finally, I don’t think the newly effective qualifying window realistically is in the best interest of the event from a performance standpoint.  I would have preferred to see registration open  following the fall marathon season (i.e. the Monday after Thanksgiving) – thus pushing qualifiers closer to the running of Boston itself.

Of course, it’ll be very interesting to see how this all shakes out in September and then what changes BAA makes as a result of it…as I’m sure the winds of change are brewing.


Hopefully, you found this post useful. The website is really a labor of love, so please consider becoming a DC RAINMAKER Supporter. This gets you an ad-free experience, and access to our (mostly) bi-monthly behind-the-scenes video series of “Shed Talkin’”.

Support DCRainMaker - Shop on Amazon

Otherwise, perhaps consider using the below link if shopping on Amazon. As an Amazon Associate, I earn from qualifying purchases. It doesn’t cost you anything extra, but your purchases help support this website a lot. It could simply be buying toilet paper, or this pizza oven we use and love.

Post a Comment

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked.
If you would like a profile picture, simply register at Gravatar, which works here on DCR and across the web.

Click here to Subscribe without commenting

Add a picture



  1. JRG

    Thanks for the first good and solid analytical piece about this. There is a lot here that I agree with as an 18-34AGer hoping to BQ soon.

    I am curious how realistic it is to expect an entry at T-5 or even the end of T-10. I am not sure how many more T-20 entrants will register as the race is becoming more elite, and how many more will pull the trigger at more uncertainty.

    I understand the aim here but don’t necessarily agree that this is more equitable than having an event sell out too quickly.

  2. SSB

    good analysis. I think the changes are good even though the qualification time I had from the time I ran it wouldn’t cut it now (but it was my run split from an Ironman). With more people running there is a bigger pool of people who are competitive and ‘elite’. Times that used to win local races don’t anymore. I used to joke that I didn’t want anyone else to start running because they might beat me. That’s what happens when people start taking sports more serious than they did before. With more and more people hiring coaches, using training plans etc, the field is bound to get faster and it should make qualifying mean even more to those right on the cusp.

  3. Not to split hairs but the standards have been increased by 6 minutes (5:59). Notice the asterisk on the baa announcement –

    *Unlike previous years, an additional 59 seconds will NOT be accepted for each age group time standard

  4. I’m not sure if the BAA made it clear or not, but for runners who are 20+ minutes under their required qualification time, are they allowed to continue registering once the 10+ and 5+ can register?

    Looks like my hopes of a BQ have been made even harder. 3:05 won’t cut it. Gonna have to go for 2:55 or better, which for me is likely out of reach.

  5. Ray – really wish the BAA would have contacted you to do the original press release (-:

    Thank you for breaking it all down in a clear and concise manor!

  6. Ray once again I agree completely with all points! And as A M18-34 who just qualified a few weeks ago with a time 1:16 seconds under the previous “BQ Qualifying Time” I am pretty bummed by the new registration system. It sounds like the race will be even more skewed towards the age groups that already have it a bit proportionally easier than others.

  7. One thing that would be great to see is that actual breakdown of ages that run in Boston, over 50 is only around 15% of those running marathons so their impact is really very little. Also, average times are a bit misleading to judge where cutoffs should be. A median value for races may be a better visualization so people can get a sense of how many less people will be available to sign up at T-20, T-10, etc. or even how many people will get cut by the 5 minute cut in times.

    While I agree with a lot of your reasoning, a race you “qualify” for should be something out of reach for much of the racing world. Its heartbreaking that some people will never get to run in that race, but I may never get to race in Kona. Simply getting in because you were faster on the internet doesn’t sound like an achievement.

  8. As a 27 year old male and new runner long distance runner, I feel like I get the most screwed. I thought 3:10 was a lofty goal, but to cut 5 minutes off and need to finish sub 10 from that to have chance at getting a spot may just become impossible.

    Saddly, before this Boston seemed obtainable unlike say the Olympics; now for my genetics they are about the same.

    Maybe if I wait until I am 50 I can get it.

  9. Unless I missed it Ray, you didn’t mention in your analysis that the 5 minute across the board time reduction doesn’t kick in until the 2013 race. At least that’s the way I’m interpreting this.

    “For the 2013 Boston Marathon, in addition to the new “rolling admission” process for registration which will be in effect for the 2012 Boston Marathon, the B.A.A. will adjust the qualifying times by lowering them by five minutes from the times which have been in effect in recent past years.”

  10. great analysis here. i was kind of hoping for a more drastic cut for my AG, as well as women in general.

    as far as the registration time goes, wasn’t it in september in 2009? i vaguely remember registering for boston 2010 in september…

  11. Great analysis on the BAA’s changes! I’ve been reading your blog since a friend forwarded me a link on your Boston Marathon sellout back in Oct.

    I’m in the 18-34 age group so am very affected by this chage. Qualified for the first time in Nov. 2010 with a 3:08 and now face the (very) realistic possibility that my qualifying time will not allow me to run the race I’ve been dreaming of for two years in a row.

  12. Anonymous

    This is worst news for younger runners. It is much harder to cut 15 minutes off a 3:10 time than off a 3:45 time, for example. Since the decreases aren’t proportional, but are just fixed minute amounts, the cuts will only increase the bias toward older, female runners. I guess they must buy more merchandise?

    (Even proportional decreases would not really be fair; the faster you are going the harder it is to run a further 10% faster, for example.)

    The change in the registration time is clearly a shot against their competitors, to try to marginalize the fall marathons. There is no other reason to move it before these marathons.

  13. Great breakdown. I am not a natural athlete, but still had a dream that a BQ was within reach if I really worked hard enough. Now I doubt that goal and it’s very sad.

    It takes all kinds, but Boston only takes the best kinds…

  14. Good job. A couple of other things. I think the overall quality of runners is getting worst. I’ve been running Boston for 24 consecutive years. When I started you had to run a 2:50 to qualify. Didn’t matter how old you were or your gender. Now a days I can qualify with a 3:35, what’s up with that? I’m still running right around 3 hours so I will get that day 1 entry and being a streaker means I really don’t even have to worry about it. But come on 3:35!!!

    As far as gender equality. The BAA wants a 50/50 split, but look at any marathon out there and you will see more like a 65/35 split. The BAA is just way to PC. I do know one thing, just follow the trail of money. They want as many of us older runners in the race because we have more disposable income. That’s how they keep the city of Boston happy. We spend money when we get to town. And the older we get the more money we have to spend. But in contrast the BAA only recognizes the over 40 age group as a whole.

  15. Good break down of all the details.

    Bad news for me. I think I have to resign to the fact that I will never qualify for this race no matter how hard I train for a BQ time. I thought that possibly, just possibly that I could work hard (and forget the whole swimming and biking thing) and take 26 minutes off my marathon time. Now I have to take 31 minutes off of my marathon time???

    I just don’t see that EVER happening.

  16. I’m confused about one thing – you say: “Assuming for a moment that there are any slots leftover after the T-5 folks register – those slots will go to the general admission stage for people who qualified with under five minutes to spare (a lot of folks, by the way). Entry will be held open for five days, at which point the fastest runners of that group will be given acceptance notice.”

    However the BAA website states: “If the field is not filled at the conclusion of the two weeks, then registration will remain open and qualifiers will be accepted on a first come, first served basis until the maximum field size is reached.”

    To me, this means that qualification time will not be a factor during this last period of registration, but you seemed to indicate that the faster runners of that group would be “in”.

    Am I misunderstanding something?

    Greta post – thanks!

  17. Never mind! I misread the BAA… now I’ve got it. The first come first served is only after T-5 qualifiers have had their chance to register. (as if there will be any spots left then – HA!)

    Sorry about that!

  18. Great post and analysis! Where did you get the data? I see you gave credit to MarathonGuide.com but I don’t know how to get the data from the site. I am interested in knowing how many marathons it took Boston runners to qualify for the race. A quick search did give me the answer. Any idea?