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Troubleshooting your heart rate monitor/strap HR spikes

For those who train with heart rate monitors often, you probably know all too well know the tell-tale sign that your little device is lying to you about your heart rate.  It starts off fairly innocently with a gentle rise in heart rate (HR).  But before you know it your HR is blistering through the 150’s, 160’s, and right on through the 200bpm glass ceiling.  Sometimes you might even reach into the mid-200’s.

After you finish your activity and get back to your computer, you’ll probably see something like this – a major HR spike, followed by more normal HR activity:

Heart Rate Monitor Graph Spikes

Frustrated, you poke at your HR monitor some, perhaps browse the Internets a bit – but in general forget about it, until it happens again.

Well, let me help ya out and explain why and what it’s doing.  And…I can probably even help ya fix it too!

Proper Wearing Methodology:
Let’s first start with how to put the strap on.  As the most important thing to do is ensure you’re wearing it correctly.  On the Garmin ANT+ straps, you’ll want to ensure the Garmin logo is right-side up, and the electrode side of the strap is against your bare skin.  Which side is the electrode side?  Well, the side with the little bands, not the shiny side.  I’ve circled these in the pictures below:

Garmin Classic HR Strap:

Garmin Classic HR Strap Electrodes

Garmin Premium HR Strap (also called soft HR strap):

Garmin Premium HR Strap Electrodes

And for all you Polar folk, their coded HR strap:

Polar T31 Coded Strap

(Minor side note, as you may know, none of the Garmin ANT+ HR straps will read HR underwater more than an inch or two away from the watch, as I showed in my 310XT review while underwater.  However, the T31 coded straps from Polar will work underwater with their respective Polar units – just ensure it’s noted as T31 coded.  Also note that you cannot mix Polar HR straps/units with Garmin HR straps/units.)

Now, one last important item to note is that it goes UNDER your shirt against your skin.  It should not be worn over your clothing.  Also, the ANT+ folks note that from a placement standpoint “the strap is worn on the ribcage, below the pectoral muscles or breasts”.

All good and you’re still having issues?  Onto the next section we go…

The root of all issues:
So assuming that you’ve got it all correctly ‘installed’, let’s look at what typically causes the spike in HR (if it’s over 200bpm, it’s likely not legit unless you’re a seven year old).

1) No moisture, dry air: During the winter months the air is often fairly cold, and fairly dry.  This means that you’re less likely to have moist skin (due to even just skin perspiration), and even less likely to be generating any sweat right from the start of the workout.  This in turns lowers your conductivity ability from a readings perspective.  Which, means you often get incorrect readings.  Simply introducing any moisture at all will usually remedy the situation – at least until you begin sweating enough to let that do its job.  We’ll talk about moisture additives in the next section.

2) Synthetic shirts (quick dry/tech shirts): While all of us love not being suffocated in cotton shirts, an unfortunate side effect is that those synthetic shirts (normally called quick dry or ‘tech’ shirts) produce additional static electricity buildup that messes with the readings.  This is most common when your skin and air are both rather dry, and very little moisture is present.  In almost all cases, simply applying moisture will immediately resolve this issue.  You can try rubbing the strap or your shirt with an antistatic agent – the ANT+ folks recommend simply a bounce dryer sheet, as that can help in some cases.  As a side note, some of the Polar straps actually have an antistatic component built into them that helps to alleviate this problem to some degree.

3) Wind on the bike: One fairly common issue especially in the spring/fall when you’re wearing simple bike jerseys but the wind and lukewarm air temperature keeps you relatively dry, is that when you go down hills fast, or simply the wind hits the right way, you’ll get incorrect readings.  This is often caused when the wind funnels down the front of your bike jersey and either induces additional static buildup as noted before, or introduces false readings through vibrations.  I can’t count the number of times where it seemed my HR was directly correlated to how fast I was descending – despite the fact that I was working less.  In this case, your best bet is either getting more gel to increase conductivity, or simply twisting the HR strap around towards your side a bit – that usually resolves is for me.  I don’t recommend trying to lick the strap while descending at 40MPH…many things can go wrong there resulting in you licking the pavement instead.

4) Electrical Interference (powerlines, train lines, etc…): This isn’t typically reported on the Garmin’s, but more the case on the Polar’s.  The Polar’s use electromagnetic signals to send the data from the coded strap to the watch, which can be interfered with by high tension power lines.  The Garmin’s on the other hand use the 2.4Ghz frequency and don’t have the power line issues typically.

The fixes:
The good news here is that there are a ton of easy fixes that you can quickly try out to

1) Sweat: This first one is a bit obvious – but will explain why the problem often goes away after just a few minutes of activity.  Once you start sweating it introduces moisture which in turn improves conductivity.  This in turn makes the HR strap happy and you get better readings.  So basically…work harder. 🙂

2) Licking it: This is the simplest option – and quite honestly what I do 99% of the time.  I just give it a big lick.  By ‘it’, I mean the two sensor pads on the back of the strap.  This will usually ‘tide me over’ until I start sweating enough to keep everything all happy.  And don’t worry folks – a HUGE LONG thread on BT the other day confirms that everyone else does it too.  See, here’s my lick-job:

My awesome spit bubble on my Garmin HR Strap

3) Heart Rate Gel: If you suck at licking, then you can instead use electrode gel to improve conductivity.  This is what’s typically used in medical situations such as an EKG where you’re trying to get a better reading/conductivity.  I actually use the gel mostly during the winter because I’ve found that many times on easy runs I’ll never actually produce a sweat due to the cold, and thus after a short bit of time my lick-job (as noted above), will actually vaporize.  The HR gel is designed to last considerably longer on your skin/strap. This stuff is incredibly cheap, and the bottle will last you a long long time.  Here’s my bottle I bought two winters ago:

Electrode Gel for HR Monitors

You can pick it up usually as your local running store, or online for about $5-10.  P.S., one little tip for those cold winter days (I know, it’s getting warmer now though), is to stick it in a sunny window sill, that will make it nice and warm when you put it against your skin:

Making it nice and warm in the window

4) Changing the strap position: Depending on what may be causing your exact situation, one option is to simply change the position.  Try sliding the strap to the right, left, or up/down.  Some folks even wear it on their back with great success.  In fact, when I’m having a day with lots of issues descending on the bike and the HR being erratic – I’ll simply slide the strap around my side a bit, so the contact portions of the strap kinda straddle my chest and back.  Works perfectly!

5) Replacing the batteries: Finally, last but not least – sometimes it’s just the batteries getting old.  You can pickup the simple coin replacement battery at virtually any drugstore, and even most grocery stores these days.  It only takes a few seconds to open up the back door of the strap and swap out the battery.  I usually have at least one spare battery in my tri bag at all times, just in case.

Wrap Up
Hopefully this will help you get through those pesky heart rate reading errors and get on with your workout.  If you have any related tips to fixing strange HR readings, feel free to leave them below in the comments!

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328 Comments

  1. Greg

    I have a Suunto smart strap (my 3rd), which recently started misbehaving in various ways as many have described. This seems to be an issue with most brands. I have tried all the suggestions given, and they have all worked ok, but not for long. Until I thought to try something different, and so far it has worked perfectly. Put a drop of olive oil in each contact point where you snap in the sensor module on the belt. There is lots to see on the net about greasing electrical contacts, so I figured I’d try oil. So far, I have not had an issue. Hopefully this may help someone.

    • Alex

      Hi, just a derivative or upgrade: I own and have owned more than 5 belts, majority of them Suunto Smart Belts. After years of occasional frustrations with erratic HRs I went down the rabbit hole, applied some physicochemical backgroud and tried WD40. Applied to both of the contact pins between the sensor and the belt. It works. Repeatibly. Full stop. There is a rationale behind: corrosion, by sweat, oxidation etc. Disclaimer: if your battery is weak, it goes without saying, it does not work ;-). If your belt is really worn down, you have earned a new one (not sensor!).

      Enjoy looking at your HRs. Until you can (in case Suunto kills Movescount PC/Mac and just sells your data to TPs, Stravas etc).

      Alex

  2. Judson

    My Garmin HRM strap spikes an anoying HR into 240s when I remove it after I’ve ended an activity, and has continued to read a spike over 200 while it and my 945FR lay on the counter, strap contacts facing up. I believe it’s from being sweat-saturated. If I power cycle the watch or wait 1-2 minutes it corrects, or reverts to an accurate watch reading (“–” if I’m not wearing it). The unwelcomed erroneous result scores a daily high HR over 230.
    It’s happened with used and new batteries.

  3. Spike

    Mine is less than a year old, when it began to play up i washed it in warm water with some mild washing liquid and it did seem to fix it but now i realise it hasn’t. I do nearly al my training based on heart rate on the same lap around home so i know exactly how fast i can run up a gradient as stay within say zone 2. Looking at my runs now if i run on perceived effort up any number of the inclines on my route the HRM is reading ~7-8% higher than it did, which is a lot when you’re nearly 60 like me. It can show me being in Zone 5 just plodding up a hill at comfortable talking pace.Its not erratic I should add, its just over reading as if it has a gain error.

  4. Yvonne dullon

    I have just gotten a garmin . Wet the strap etc but nothing recording for me..static at 70.. .my partner had tried it and it works perfect for him any help please

  5. Brian D.

    Just a note to say the link to the gel on amazon goes to a not found page. Looks like they don’t sell that one anymore

  6. Tried all the suggestions on my Garmin 235 heart rate strap and nothing has worked long term. I’m wondering how to tell if it’s the watch or the heart rate monitor that’s on the way out?
    Going to try the olive oil suggestion from the comment below. Pray for me. ?

  7. Dan

    Hi I have a Garmin 520 about 4-5 yrs. Never had an issue with it or my Garmin strap(lets say 1,000 rides) until a few weeks ago and my 520 started giving me a progressively higher reading. That kind of freaked me out, I’m 68 and self-conscious about my heart. However, It’s an on and off thing but persistent. I replaced the strap. So brand new strap and same thing happening. Now I’m looking at the monitor itself. I’m getting ready to send it to the factory. I have to consider have I developed an arrhythmia? I went to the doctor My ECG is normal. Doing a stress test next week. This sucks. Can a Garmin 520 monitor go haywire?

    • The problem with an ecg is that’s it that moment in time. I’ve had a fib and many ecgs were fine. You could ask them to put you on a portable ecg for a few days then ride and see if the Garmin triggers the high HR and see if the portable ecg shows anything??

    • Dan

      Greg Hilton, Hi thanks for your input. I wanted to give you an update and I am even more mystified. I went to a cardiologist, He also performed an ECG/EKG. I also wore a cardiac holter for 24 hours and rode as hard as I could to cause a spike and at that time my Garmin would not register one. So my 24 result was normal. I tried 3 different straps and 3 different Garmins (Borrowed).
      They all showed my HR was maxing at 245, but it followed a pattern. I would have a plateau after 20 minutes and if I stopped and waited 3-4 minutes for it to normalize it would not return. Heres the mystery, When the device is spiking my felt pulse with 2 fingers on carotid is normal. I mean when riding it feels about 110-120bpms and I don’t feel dizzy or SOB or weak. The only indication is the device.

      I also wondered if Garmin has a max setting for HR.

      So I bought a Kardia mobile ECG device by AliveCor. It registers all 6 heart rhythms with a connected Kardia Mobile iphone app. I’ve run at least a dozen ECGs under different set ups

      Theres at least 3 good ones recorded when my device was spiking at 245bpm. The last Kardia ECG read 93bpm while I was looking at 245bpm on my Garmin device. My felt pulse also felt like 93bpm. I sent that 30 second record to a Kardia cardiologist. He rated it as a normal heart sinus rhythm. Mind you 245 registered on all 3 Garmin devices with 3 different straps

      I was ready to go to another cardiologist. Clearly something is tripping the Garmin devices. However, Now I’m not always getting a spiking reading when I ride now. I figure he’ll also have me wear a holter 24 to 48 hrs. im afraid I won’t be able to trigger a spike and Winter is almost here. I have not been able to trigger it indoors. That’s a mind F**k don’t you agree?

    • Matt

      I have had similar issues when I have had connector issues. I wire mine up with ekg connectors. When the connection is loose or when I have had wire breaks it spikes to the max reading (245 bpm on mine). Ensuring a good solid connection with the unit and strap, band isn’t loose, and contacts are wetted would be my best guesses based on personal experience. I agree that a resting test would be good to have as well.

    • hiya Dan,

      Agree on the mind f**k! I have the older “two lead” Kardia and it has picked up Afib whenever I thought I had it as well as very high heart beats.

      Sounds like you are doing all the right things, but no idea why 3 straps and devices always give you wacky high HR!! Can you borrow an optical HR from someone to wear on your arm perhaps??

      oh and when you said 3 different Garmins and 3 different straps, do you mean different headunits?? Als when trying other straps are you using the same HR capsule with those 3 straps?

      Also when I was in A Fib I can feel a fast heartbeat and my cardiolgist could tell it was erratic.

    • Nathan

      Hey Dan, I thought share my experience as it’s very similar to what you’re going though… and i can totally relate to what a mind f**ck it is. I was pretty regular runner about 5 years ago and I started using a Garmin HR strap at that time. To my surprise, the first time i used it I had spikes up to 245bpm. Like you I didn’t have any dizziness, and my HR would feel appropriate at the time. I could be having a chat my mate beside me while the Garmin HR strap was reporting 200bpm – i obviously wouldn’t be able to chat like that if it was really 200bpm though. I then tried to work out what was going on but as it was intermittent and wouldn’t happen on most runs it was difficult to pin down. I had two Garmin HR straps and the same thing would happen on either strap intermittently while running so i could rule out a particular issue with the individual strap or monitor. I then saw a cardiologist who did heaps of tests which all came back normal. As they couldn’t find anything unusual in the stress test or other tests i then had to be wired up and wear a heart rate monitor for 2 to 4 weeks (can’t remember exactly but showering with the wires was a real pain) while i tried to capture an event while exercising. During this time i would have events on my Garmin HR strap but to my surprise, when the cardiologist checked the results it didn’t show anything abnormal. I then had the Alivecor product you mention (this is 5 years ago though so perhaps an earlier model). I captured a heap of ECG’s while my Garmin HR was spiking. At times the Alivecor ECG printout would report it as “Normal” and at other times “Possible atrial fibrillation” which freaked me out at the time. When the cardiologist reviewed the data he was really quick to confirm it was all normal though and HR was in the normal zone. Definitely no Atrial Fibrillation thankfully. He did note on one of the readouts a thing called Bigeminy which he said was “benign” in my case and not something i should worry about, but he felt that perhaps the Bigeminy was causing the Garmin HR strap to give an incorrect reading and was at times doubling my bpm due to this. He said not to bother wearing the HR strap so i didn’t use it for many years. More recently though I started using it again as i wanted to train in HR zones while running and rowing and so the mind f**k has started again for me. I went for a run yesterday and my HR reading sat at about 200bpm during a very easy run (my mate was sitting on about 130 or 140). I do have the reassurance that the cardiologist gave me the all clear but it still plays on my mind. I only saw your post as i was searching for Polar HR strap reviews. My plan at this stage is to buy a non-Garmin HR strap and see if I also get spikes on that (probably should have done this a long time ago). If not, i might try the Alivecor monitor again either with their cardiologist interpreting it or a second opinion cardiologist on my end.

    • Dan Mitchell

      Hey Nathan, Thank you for the shout out. I appreciate the positive feedback. I’m sure you and I aren’t alone. Theres nowhere else to find info about this. A big shout out to DC Rainmaker. It can be a time consuming and expensive enterprise to discover everything is normal, not to mention anxiety.

      During one of my last rides in Dec. a friend and I switched our Garmin straps and monitors. My devices on his bike continued to show normal. His devices on my chest and bike showed spiking HRs. We stopped I waited 3-4 minutes till HR returned to normal (learned during earlier rides). We rode another 1 1/2 hrs at sometimes high HRs (145-155)and no further spikes.

      Considering our mutual experience. I have to conclude rather then errant straps. It must be some aspect of heart rhythm is triggering the spikes. If its not A-Fib or tachycardia or some other disease process. It must be this bigeminy rhythm. Garmin devices must be picking this up either strap wise or device wise. Since its not reported with another type of strap. There might be some quality of the Garmin product doing this.

      Im ready to go strapless, but as you Im thinking another kind of device. Im hooked up to Strava, I need distance so as long as my alternate device gave me good info. I would ignore the Garmin HR readout.

      As a back up. I take baby aspirin (80mg) a few times a week. Lets keep in touch and would love to hear from other athletes having HR issues. Thanks again, Dan

  8. Jason Masters

    Is it possible to check if a HRM is working prior to exercise? For example, should it register testing heart rate correctly if you do all the stuff re wetting the contacts on the strap etc?

    • Yes, almost all devices will show your current HR prior to starting. Though, whether or not it tracks properly in those first few mins as you warm-up you won’t know till you start.

  9. Rod

    I’ve had several Garmin HR monitors over the years and they are always troublesome, high spikes, freeze ups etc, tried all the tricks, cleaning the strap contacts, new batteries, even baby oil on the battery contacts (like the cure for Vector 3 pedal problems) all without any improvements. I now have moved over to a Wahoo HRM and have never had a single issue. A superior product in my opinion.

    • Dan Mitchell

      Rod, Dan here appreciate the comment. That has been my friends suggestion as well (try another brand). I’m doing the indoor trainer mostly with lower HRs and am not triggering any anomaly BPM. Will keep in touch.

  10. ROD S MARCH

    I have struggled for years with erratic data from Garmin chest heart rate sensors and read your article link to dcrainmaker.com several times trying to find solutions. I recently stumbled across your review of the Polar OH1+ optical heart rate sensor and immediately ordered one. What a great product! It has completely solved my heart rate issues. No more chest straps for me. Suggest you consider adding an addendum to your “troubleshooting your heat rate” article from 2010 and mention the OH1 as another “fix” for heart rate sensing problems. Thanks for your great work.

  11. Martin Arundel

    I found a good post that shows a test for the strap. Forward to around 5:30. Ok it needs a multimeter
    but its the only test I have seen on the web that can identify a faulty strap
    link to youtube.com

  12. JC

    I tried changing the battery, wearing the belt around my waist/back, and cleaning the contacts with dish soap and water. One of those three things worked! Thank you for your help.

  13. CrimpOn

    Looking for advice on how to wear multiple chest heart rate monitors at the same time. RR data from Polar H9 and Wahoo TiCKR do not agree, each Bluetooth connected to a different Android phone. I want to wear them plus a Garmin HRM-Dual at the same time while using a recumbent bicycle.

    Does it matter if the cases touch? Do the cases have to be exactly in the middle? Any tips on how to accomplish this sincerely appreciated.

  14. James Weeks

    3 new HR monitors and I can’t get any of them to work. Brand new, 2 Garmin one Polar. They all work on other people, just not me. This started about 6 months ago, never had a problem before. I’m thinking I have an electrical problem. Anyone else seen this before?

    • Dan Mitchell

      James Weeks, That’s not enough information. Are you talking chest straps? Head units? What models? Is the strap paired to the head unit? Battery check? What previous experience? Did it just happen suddenly? Why would you think its your heart rhythm/electrical activity?

  15. CriimpOn

    After the glowing report on Garmin HRM Dual, I purchased one and had to return it after I could not get it to work with ANY Android heart rate app. (must have tried 10). Called Garmin support and a VERY nice woman asked, “What Garmin apparatus are you connecting the HRM Dual to?” I own no Garmin equipment. “Oh, dear, the HRM Dual will connect ONLY to Garmin products. The product that connects to smartphones is the HRM Pro ($130 vs. $60). Which Garmins do you have?

    I also had trouble with a Polar H9 because I was licking my tongue off on the wrong part of the strap. (I believe people often comment “RTFM”) Once I started using electrode gel in the correct spots, it works like a champ. Some people have dry skin and it takes a long time to get a good connection without water or gel.

    • Unfortunately, that women is very much incorrect. The entire point of the HRM-DUAL is for 3rd party products, which often use Bluetooth Smart, as all of Garmin’s products already support ANT+.

    • CrimpOn

      So now I am even more puzzled. I used two different smartphones and every “HRV” Android app I could find. The phones/apps easily connect to and read from the Polar H9, Wahoo TICKR, and a CooSpo I found on Amazon. Got no response from the Garmin HRM Dual. I was careful to put electrode gel on both the large and small sensor areas on both sides.

      I bought the Garmin because the H9 and TICKR gave wildly different results and I wanted a third device for comparison. I can try it again (maybe I got a dud?) It’s only $60.

      Thanks for the information.

    • @crimpon

      Are you trying to read your HEART RATE, or your HEART RATE VARIABILITY?

    • CrimpOn

      I want both: heart rate reported by the monitor and the actual RR intervals (all of them). I have been using the Android app Self Loops to collect the data and output it in a .csv file that I can analyze. Have no interest in the “magic hrv calculations”. Just need the raw data.

      This all started when I discovered that the TICKR often detected about 25% more heartbeats in a given length of time than the Polar H9.

    • CrimpOn

      I remain puzzled. Based on “the entire point”, I purchased another Garmin HRM Dual and tried to connect it to 6 HR/HRV applications which work perfectly with Polar H9, Wahoo TICKR, and CooSpo: MyWorkouts, SelfLoops HRV, HR & HRV Logger, hrv Expert by CardioMood, Elite HRV and Kubios HRV. Tried three Android devices: Sony Xperia XZ2 Compact, Moto E, and Samsung Tab S6 Lite.

      Every app on every device “found” the Garmin HRM Dual. But not a single one of them retrieved heart rate or RR interval data. NOT ONE. Maybe these apps are faulty, but they work with other heart rate monitors just fine.

      Since the Garmin help desk tech is very much incorrect. HOW do I use the Garmin HRM Dual in the same manner as I am using the Polar, Wahoo, and CooSpo? i.e. wear it and collect HR/RR data on an Android app?

    • Dan Mitchell

      @CrimpOn, DC Rainmaker is correct. Im puzzled why Garmin tech support would say otherwise. Also if devices are reading connectedness why not the HR signal? I wonder if your Garmin strap would pair with a Garmin head unit. I can only think a manufacturing defect if it does. There are straps which only connect with Garmin products. I wouldnt keep buy another dual strap until you can locate the issue.

    • CrimpOn

      This seems inconsistent
      “DC Rainmaker is correct” and
      “there are some straps which only connect with Garmin products”
      (which is what the Garmin Help Desk said to me)
      I have tried 6 Android apps which work with 3 different heart monitors on 3 Android devices. Yet not a single app can read HR and RR data from the HRM Dual.
      What I WANT is for someone to point me to an Android app that will connect to the HRM Dual and create a .csv file of HR and RR data. Does that seem too much to ask?
      Having purchased the HRM Dual two times, I will not be buying any more of them.

      Thank you for participating. (Sometimes I come off more confrontational than I intend.)

    • David W

      I have several Garmin HRM Dual heart rate monitors. I have had no problem at all looking at HRV in the iOS versions of HRV Logger or HRV4Training. Both work flawlessly. I have also connected to Strava, Wahoo Fitness, Zwift, TrainerRoad, and Sufferfest on iOS and Windows 10 over BT with no problems. Also worked on both Ant+ and BT with my Edge 1030, FR945, Wahoo Bolt, Stages Dash L50, and Hammerhead Karoo 2. The heart rate BlueTooth data interface is governed by standards and works with all devices. I have no idea why you are having problems with an Android phone. My only comment is that I know people that use them with Android devices and they never mentioned any issues.

    • Dan Mitchell

      Hi @Crimp On, I had checked on DC Rain Makers statement with Garmin and the newer Garmin HRM straps are interchangeable with other devices.

      I’ve been using a Garmin head unit with Garmin strap for 10 yrs and I found the head unit would only sync with a Garmin strap.
      Its possible the HRM strap could sync with other products, my apologies. I did find this Garmin notice that even some Garmin straps no longer sync with older Garmin devices.
      I looked at the wide array of Garmin straps and all I can say is I miss the days when you could buy a HRM strap for 20$.
      link to support.garmin.com

    • CrimpOn

      I appreciate that you guys tolerate my ignorance and questions. I am just SO frustrated. Emailed Garmin and they said (a) follow the directions, and (b) check the app web site to see if it is compatible. SelfLoops says this: “Requires a Bluetooth low energy heart rate monitor (Bluetooth Smart, Bluetooth 4.0). For example Polar H7,H6, Wahoo Blue or Tickr, Viiiiva.” SelfLoops worked “out the gate” with Polar H9, the 2020 TiCKR, and CooSpo (Chinese knockoff?).

      Did it all again: restarted 2 phones and 1 tablet. Put on HRM Dual (up side up), slathered a liberal application of Spectra 360 conductive gel, “paired” the Garmin with phone (have no idea why that is needed), opened SelfLoops app, searched for bluetooth monitors, found only one, “connected”, and NO DATA. NONE. Unpaired Garmin and moved to next Android device. Same thing.

      It bothers me that the HRM Dual is not compatible with Garmin Connect. Honestly, I cannot see what else I can do. What I need is an app that will capture and output the raw HR and RR data. Don’t need fancy “training”, maps, etc.

      I am hoping that someone will notice this thread and say, “Here’s how I got a Garmin HRM Dual to work with an Android phone app, without ANY other Garmin equipment at all.”

    • CrimpOn

      All is clear now. Garmin HRM Dual does NOT transmit HRV data over Bluetooth. Says so clearly in DC Rainmaker’s review of the HRM Dual and of the Polar H9.

      I really am “dumber than dirt” for buying it in the first place.

      p.s. I have a suspicion that it does not transmit HRV over ANT+ either, but I’m giving up now.

    • Greg

      Interesting that the farming website says it should work! Grounds to return it as defective and get a refund??

      link to buy.garmin.com

      If you click hrm comparison it says the dual

      Transmits real-time heart rate and supports HRV via BLUETOOTH® technology to compatible devices and apps

    • So I tested this a bit yesterday for fun. On ANT+, it’s definitely transmitting HRV, no issues there.

      On BLE however, the HRM-DUAL doesn’t seem to transmit HRV for any of the apps I tried, though interestingly, the newer HRM-PRO does actually do so just fine.

      I’ve got an e-mail drafted that I’ll shoot over to ask what’s up, as other people have in the comments section indicated their HRM-DUAL is working with certain HRV apps via BLE. So I’m wondering if there’s been a firmware update somewhere along the way. Good to know on the Garmin specs saying HRV is supposed to work for BLE.

    • David W

      I don’t know what actual data the HRM Dual sends. But it works just fine with HRV logger. And the app creator was quoted as saying that it was approved for use with the app.

    • CrimpOn

      I tried one last time using the two Samsung Galaxy tablets. ANT+ Tester says they both support ANT+. Neither myworkouts (HR only) nor SelfLoops HRV (hr & hrv) got any data from the HRM Dual. “See” it just fine. But neither HR nor RR data.

      I appreciate that you guys have taken the time to investigate my problem. Whatever is wrong has got to be my fault, and I am simply at a loss for what else to try.

      On another note: Can someone direct me to advice on how to wear three heart rate monitors at the same time? I have been doing two as (1) directly under the sternum, and (2) underneath the first one. Is there a reason NOT to wear one higher on the chest? I know it may not be as comfortable and would definitely interfere with many types of exercise, but would it not work?

      Thanks

    • As one who often wears two, I haven’t seen any difference between them in placement. I usually wear one below the nipple and one above the nipple. No issues and usually identical readings.

      If I do three, it tends to be two lower, and one upper. The only real issue you face there is simply that the straps don’t slide and overlap at all.

  16. okrunner

    Still a very relevant article. Crazy readings from a Powercal bluetooth strap this weekend that I had not seen before. Honestly, I don’t use the Powercal often. I hit 240 bpm which I thought was pretty great for 52 years old. Conditions were just perfect for problems. Readings were erratic for 40 minutes or more. When I went back and looked at my gps plot, the problems started immediately upon turning into the wind on my ride. Cool dry Spring conditions with about a 25 mph head wind. Perfect storm. The wind already sucked and crazy heart rate readings didn’t make me feel any better.

    • Dan Mitchell

      @okrunner I wouldn’t panic just yet. Time to wonder WTF if its replicated and with other straps. Come back if it does.

    • okrunner

      Dan,
      I haven’t had a chance to use the Powercal again since the weekend. However, I’ve ridden Zwift three times since using an old MioLink and it certainly doesn’t appear to be my heart, thankfully. The MioLink appears spot on indoors. Might try the Powercal with Zwift tonight instead of the MioLink to see if there is a problem with the Powercal or it was just environmental. I think it was the conditions. I have a basket of heart rate monitors so it’s no big deal if the Powercal is not the fritz. I leave the MioLink by the Zwift setup and don’t use it anywhere else. I usually ride outdoors with a Wahoo Tickr Fit. I have a Viiiva and a Garmin strap and maybe others. I’ve never really compared accuracy among them but assume the straps are generally more accurate than the MioLink, Tickr Fit, or my couple of Garmin watches. Maybe I’ll pair the Powercal to my phone tonight and compare to the MioLink riding Zwift. Thanks.

  17. Larry

    I’ve had a Garmin HRM-Dual since August 2020 and use it for both running and cycling. It worked as expected for a couple months, then I started seeing an initial “cliff” pattern at 175 bpm — for roughly 9 minutes. See example picture from a 60 minute run. I see this pattern often, but not always, when running. The frequency of this happening has increased over time (but maybe is related to it having been winter here). Oddly, it never seems to happen while cycling, either indoors or outdoors – although I confess I don’t ride outdoors in the winter.

    I always use Spectra 360 gel, by the way. So, in my case, it doesn’t seem moisture is the problem.

    Being 68, like other here, I consulted my doctor, assuming the data was correct.

    Then it occurred to be perhaps the Garmin was faulty. This was after months of fearing I had heart troubles.

    I replaced it with a Wahoo TICKR, and so far it seems to behave more sensibly. I am using the Garmin strap (I like it better than the TICKR strap), so the strap isn’t the issue.

    And then I found this post. Which makes me now understand the phenomenon is common.

    In any case, it doesn’t seem the problem is as “simple” as a faulty Garmin device.

    • Dan Mitchell

      Hi Larry, I too am 68 and had my Garmin 521 show HR plateau at 240 multiple rides starting last Oct 2020. If I stopped and waited a few minutes it often would not come back on that ride. I too did the cardiologist route. I wore a holter and no results.
      I borrowed other monitors and got replacements straps, but the high HR continued. I started to take baby aspirin and also bought the 6 lead Kardia Mobile. It connects to an app which takes a 30 sec graph of all 6 heart rhythms. Well worth the 150$. Its medical grade and hospitals use them to monitor heart patients. That device showed no anomalies.

      I too took off for 4 months during winter and my indoor training was much lighter and HR quiet. When I started to ride outdoors again the high HR went away, not to return so far.

      Heres the thing Atrial Fibrillation, Tachycardia and Atrial Flutter can all be fairly serious heart conditions and dont really just come and go. Also one should feel some affect of a fast beating HR. I never felt anything. Another rider here told me about a heart bigeminy. Its a quick pre firing spike on a heart rhythm graph. It can be benign or a precursor to a heart condition. I’ve learned to read these HR graphs and I haven’t seen it on my graphs which are cited as normal.

      I highly recommend buying a Kardia Mobile and study google HR graphs for how normal HR appear vs other heart conditions. Its not really complicated. You’ll feel less anxious and well you can always start taking a baby aspirin a few Xs a week. Cheers, Dan

    • Larry

      After a bit more data collection and research, I now believe my “plateau” or “cliff” phenomenon is a classic case of “cadence lock” — although I am aware most people believe this only occurs with an optical HR.

      I run with a Garmin Forerunner 35. I cycle with a Garmin Edge 530. The problem only occurs while running, and never occurs when cycling – even if I use the FR 35 (where it doesn’t measure cadence).

      I have the problem with both a Garmin HRM-DUAL as well as a Wahoo TICKR. I have the problem regardless of placement, front or side. I always use electrode gel. The “plateau” happens for roughly 9 minutes at the start of a run, then disappears, Reviewing the data it is very clear that the HR being reported is the same as the cadence (170-180). It is also very clear the readings being reported for HR are false.

      Curiously, when I leave the strap off and enable the FR 35 optical HRM, the phenomenon does not occur.

      It feels like the issue resides within the FR 35 watch and not the other components. There are some blog posts who have observed and claimed the same thing, with pictures that look identical to mine. In these cases, the commenters usually insist the phenomenon only occurs with optical HRMs.

      Is it possibly the case that my FR 35 is defective in some way ? I don’t have another watch to try. If I use my Edge 530 during a run it does not happen, although this device is not designed for running.

      Thanks for any comments or suggestions.

  18. Denis

    I’ve HRM Dual and from yesterday I got weird problem. It still works on my Garmin watch either via ANT+ or Bluetooth, It still works via Bluetooth on two other phones and via ANT+ on my wife’s Samsung phone.
    But it suddenly stopped working on my OnePlus 7T for no reason, I can connect to it but see no pulse, just like many Iphone users wrote in Zwift thread(but I can’t see HR data in any monitor app I’ve tried which worked fine). The only thing which happened prior that is that I accidentally accepted prompt to add my monitor on my watch.
    First I thought that maybe firmware was updated but I compared with the screenshot of what firmware version I had originally and it’s the same.
    I have a feeling that my HRM-Dual got connected to way too many devices and that caused that glitch.
    Do anyone have an idea how to remedy this or experienced a similar problem? (And no I didn’t reset my HRM Dual as decided to try all software tricks first).

  19. Olly

    Hi!
    As I’m facing issues with my HRM-TRI recently (hopefully it is HRM strap and not heart) I wonder if I could connect and record two HRM straps on my FR935 to analyze their data later on. Or do I need to record HR data on two devives, e.g. FR935 and EDGE?
    Best,
    Oliver