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Great post and very helpful! I’m surprisingly almost the exact same on the 310xt. YAY! I had a quick question regarding your cadence drills. Have you blogged on this before? I’m trying to increase my cadence, but I’m struggling. When I run fast, I can get it to low to mid 90s, but that’s as high as I can get it. I’ve noticed from some of your summaries that you can get it close to 110. I’m wondering how. Any tips / references would be really helpful! Thanks so much.
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Great post. Two questions: On the 310XT, do you use the autoscroll feature or do you cycle manually through the screen during running?
When you do intervals, do you upload a training program with the intervals as auto-laps, or do you know your program by heart and do you press the lap button after the interval?
Another great post Ray. You read my mind on this. Thanks.
Hey Adam-
I havne’t yet posted anything on run cadence. I’ll have to see if I can convince my Coach to do a guest post on it perhaps. In short though, I’m supposed to do short 30-60second higher cadence sets every 10 minutes during my run, using a small clip-on metronome.
Hey Caspar-
I just cycle through manually. For some reason, the autoscroll feature drives me crazy from a control standpoint. Perhaps I’m just a control freak. ;)
I turn off autolap, since i use the laps as a way to control information about each set I’m doing – and sometimes those sets are multiple miles. So for me, I know my program by heart and then can just correlate those chunks after the fact.
Thanks Mark!
Good info post as usual. Interesting to see you don’t like the autoscroll?!?
thanks for the feedback! i also don’t like the auto scroll because I’m not looking down at my watch constantly, and when I look down, there are a few things i really want to see. do you ever program your workouts so the watch tells you when to switch gears?
and it would be great if you could get your coach to do a guest post. I think that information would be so valuable, and there’s very little out there on it!
Hi Adam-
I haven’t programmed it to switch gears on my bike, but I do program it for HR zones on a race – and when to switch. For example, in a 70.3, I may switch zones a few times. Here’s what I do:
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As for not liking autoscroll – it’s not that I don’t see the benefit of it – I really do. It’s just that for me, when I look down, I want it to be on the screen I use most, and not one of the other screens.
I’m thinking of getting a Garmin FR60, and using the GPS in my Iphone to upload routes from runkeeper–thereby just superimposing the HR data. Will Garmin let me do this (e.g., KML or GPX files?). It seems my polar 625 will never be supported (hello CL).
Hi Chris-
Yes, you can ‘merge’ the two together. In fact, my girlfriend does this today with two similiar sources, a Garmin 305 and Computrainer data files. However, you can’t do it on Garmin’s site, it does require you to use some other piece of software, such as Training Peaks (which does it), or Sport Tracks, which I believe can do it.
Great post!
What do you think of pre-loading the course into the Garmin? It has occurred to me, but I haven’t yet tried it. I believe one can (in some devices) load up the course @ a goal pace and compare against it. I’ll have to dig in a bit more.
Hello Rainmaker
as as usal you blog is excelent.
i do have a Question which i could not find out,
I use the 310 XT but I use it as well for my stationary bike (when I am traveling) and on my mountainbike, so i found out that you can configue 3 bikes , which is great but i could not foind a way to configre the datafields different for each bike..
As i do have the powertap only on my tribike it does not make sense to see it on the mountain or stationary and so on.
do you know how to configue the datafields for each bike?
marc
marc@steingrand.com
Hello
You wrote
>>> And last but not least, the virtual partner screen. I can tweak the default target pace on the fly if I’m trying to maintain a different pace.
I have Garmin 305 but cann’t find this feature. How do you do this setup?
You should be able to hold down the up/down arrows on the right side for a second or two and it’ll change.
>>> You should be able to hold down the up/down arrows on the right side for a second or two and it’ll change.
If I do this, my 305 VP screen has just changed to another screen (I did this in started Quick workout mode).
Could you, please, explain more detail how can I do this right?
Great post. That’s a great idea using both the Power 30s and 3s fields to keep you honest and get quick feedback. Hadn’t thought of that myself. Now I just need to see if the 800 has both those fields.
I think Lap Pace (or whatever it’s called) is a much better option than the current (or what I call “instantaneous”) Pace. The current Pace display tends to float around a lot because it’s calculated based on only the last few location samples, and is highly susceptible to GPS error (Pace is Time/Distance, and when the distance sample is small, GPS error (±10m) becomes significant and the result can be unstable). I realize you can do some smoothing, but it’s still too jumpy for me.
Lap Pace, on the other hand, settles in to a very stable value after the first minute or so of the given lap. If you’re 1/2 mile into the current lap, and you’ve taken 4 minutes, you’re going at 8:00/mile, and at that point, GPS error is insignificant in that calculation.
So for me, I have AutoLap turned on for every mile, and I display Lap Pace. You could make your AutoLaps shorter if you’re really concerned about detecting changes in your pace, but I think that’s overkill.
Hi,
On the 910xt I have pretty much the same fields selected but in a different order.
– First screen is the “general” one: Total time, total distance and calories
– Second is “Last lap recap”: Last lap time / distance / pace / cadence
– Third and fourth are “current lap”
– Lap time / Lap distance / Lape cadence (with only three fields I have Lap time in big)
– Lap pace / Instant pace / heart rate / Cadence
(I have the food pod so current pace is pretty accurate I think)
– Last is virtual partner.
What I like is that the last two screen (current pace) are close to VR so i navigate easily between them when i run and I can see all the info I need. The first two are less useful (except in interval training where I can quickly see how my last lap was).
I have the same question as Marc if you could give me tha answer i would appreciate it
Regards
Hello-
Unfortunately, there’s not a way to configure different data fields for different bikes. Fwiw, they did add this in the Edge 510/810.
Hi I have just had a Garmin 410 and want to see the partner to a specific pace but can’t find how to adjust it and I want it to show completed mileage on the screen whilst I’m running can you help ? Thanks Emma
Hi,
just bought forerunner 310xt. At the moment im setting data fields and am wondering why there is no such option as hear rate average last lap. So is there any hint how to get that info from 310xt ?
This data would be important for me to see if im still ok to speed up or i will crash if i try to put out more speed.
I can not use power meter because im inline skater.
Are you on the latest firmware? If so, I suspect that’s all they did there unfortunately (don’t have a unit charged up handy at the moment).
Thanks! great info!
highly appreciated.
Thanks, great info, I appreciate it!
Great information. My question is the best data field for avg pace for the current lap. I have the 305. For example if I’m running 3 x 1 mile repeat at marathon pace (8:30) with 2 min. recoveries. I can use avg. pace for the first mile, but the 2 min. recovery then messes up the 2nd mile. If I use pace, it’s all over the page. I’m going to try lap – pace to see if that works.
So maybe garmin can add “current lap- avg. pace”.
Hello
Concerning the Garmin forerunner 220, is there a way outdoor to have speed/pace with GPS and cadence with footpod: ie that footpod doesn’t override GPS when GPS is on?
Thanks
That’s the way it works. When outdoor GPS will override pace/distance unless GPS speed = zero (i.e. in a tunnel).
And cadence will still come from footpod.
Thanks for all the detail! This was very helpful in setting up my device to show the screens I want. I do want to point out that you said: “Note, it’s funny that on the 310XT there’s Total Ascent, but not Total Descent…which the Edge has”. This is no longer true, as my brand new 310XT (Merry Christmas) has a Total Descent.
Again many thanks.
It is still true, but is a very special bug. Total descent is not always among the choosable field always. If I remember well, you can choose it if you use 4 fields per page, but not for the double sized fields like in case of 2 or 3 fields pages.
Hello Ray
Do you still use the same screen layouts on the newer edge 810/1000 ?
Yup!
Hi,
New to the Garmin 800.
How do you set the unit up to record splits of say, every 5 miles when you are out riding an 80 mille circular route?
Thanks
Greg
by the way really helpful stuff……
You can setup auto-lap to automatically create a lap every 5 miles.
Thanks. I hadn’t realised that laps meant splits.
Different terminology. Set up and done.
Thanks for the help.
Where can I find the formula garmin uses for those data fields?
Last weekend I added to my display Pwr – IF on garmin500 and realized that it is for the whole activity so no use for me. I tried also Pwr Zone but was wondering about the decimal i.e. is zone 3.7 so am i still in zone 3? I’ll figure it out next time I’m on the trainer.
Next I’ll try Pwr % of FTP and would like to know if it’s using Pwr instant, 3sec, 10sec, 30sec… per of last lap?
I typically pace using Pwr-10sec. I’m looking for same short term feedback without doing math. I noticed halfway in a 180km bike ride my ability to do division diminishes…
3.7 would still be in zone 3 (7/10ths of the way through Zone 3).
Power % of FTP is instant power.
Is there a way to get Pwr 10sec % FTP ?
I find that instant Pwr & Pwr 3secs are too jittery. If I use those to pace during multi hours rides, I tend to overshoot up/down.
I typically use Pwr 10sec as I found i can avoid the overshooting issue.
It would be interesting to understand the use of respective Pwr value for pacing.
Example: watching Pwr 3sec is preferable when climbing steep hills …
I don’t think that’s offered on any Garmin device.
I train using intervals. I will do a 2:1 for 6 miles, but when I look at the data it shows me each individula interval. How can I get it to show me my pace each mile as opposed to my pace for each of those interval segments?
I noticed that your distance display is in miles on your edge 500. I recently purchased an edge 500 and can only display feet wondering how to change the units.
Once you go about half a mile it’ll switch over (maybe a bit less than that).
Ray I try to keep my fields on my 510 down to 5-6 so that the top fields are a larger size. Do you think it’s important to have speed as a field on the screen during a 10-20 mile time trial? Do you know anyone who uses only power/cadence/HR? Theoretically the speed should be irrelevant if I am pacing from HR or power?
It depends a bit if your targeting a specific speed – or rather something like pacing towards a given power level.
Ray, any plans to update Garmin field selection given all the new FR and Edge devices?
Same question
Oddly enough, I still actually use the same settings these days. :)
But, I might do it just for the sake of having an updated post (that’s quick and easy for me…).
I’m looking for the cheapest GPS watch that will display distance, average pace, and lap pace. I would also like to be able to set the lap to .25 miles instead of 400 meters. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks!
I just got the Garmin Forerunner 310XT. I’m setting up the data fields and every time I choose a data option it randomly changes the data screen next to it. And when I change the random one it changes the previous screen and so forth. Is this normal and is there any way to stop this from happening? Thanks.
Great post.
I have an Edge 520, I find it can be overwhelming with the choice fields and different combinations of screen layouts etc. I find it best to design my screens in a spreadsheet which I keep updated – it’s then an easy translation into the device.
Is there a way on the 500 to change the display when using a route? I don’t care about the virtual partner stuff. I want my map page to be more like my page 1. Is there a way to change the data fields in the route mode?
Any chance we could get an update? I still use this as a good reference but would be good to have the newer fields as well as your latest opinion on what’s best
This is great … but old. Have you posted an updated list of Garmin Edge data fields?