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The Favero bePRO Power Meter In-Depth Review

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In many ways, the bePRO power meter is the little unknown underdog that snuck onto the scene earlier this summer with a very simple declaration: We’re here, we’re new, we’re cheap, and we’ve already started shipping. How ‘bout them apples?

The unit retails for €749EUR globally, with the local price simply based on the current exchange rate.  So for US folks, that’s approximately $835USD, for those in Australia it’s $1,196AUD, and for those in Uzbekistan it’s 2,185UZS.  Note that this is for the dual-leg system (two pedals).  Whereas they also make the bePRO S version, which is a single pedal for 499EUR.  For this review, I’m reviewing the dual-system.  The single leg system simply doubles the left-leg power, but otherwise works identically.

These prices are notable because this is the cheapest dual-sided system on the market today actually shipping.  Sure, there are others that have promised shipping soon or planned to ship in the recent past – but nobody else is actually shipping a product in this price range today.

Favero, the manufacturer of the bePRO, sent me a unit back in July to try out, and I’ve had it on my bike now for about 45 days through a wide assortment of weather and conditions.  As is always the case, once I wrap-up with the product review here shortly, I’ll box it back up and send it back to them.  Just the way I roll.

With that – let’s get into the unit.

Unboxing:

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To start, we’ve got a fairly large box, sorta like a skinny shoe box, but longer.

Inside facing upwards towards you, you’ll find the two pedals.  As you can see, the pods are permanently affixed to the units.

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Next, we’ll remove the upper layer of the box, where you’ll find the second elevated tier.  This includes tools that’ll be used to attach the pedals to your bike.

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If we work our way down to the bottom of the box, we’ve got a slew of parts.  So I’ve taken them all out and laid them on the table.  Here’s what we’ve got inside (roughly from top to bottom):

A) Two pedals
B) One alignment tool (long skinny/flat black tool)
C) One pedal wrench (black, looks like a wrench)
D) Long hex wrench
E) Two cleats and shoe installation screws
F) Two pedal alignment tools (silver, round and long)
G) USB charger with two micro-USB cables, crapton of adapters for different countries
H) Manual and other paper stuff
I) Table not included
J) Small sticker/card with ANT+ ID numbers, serial numbers (sitting atop left manual page)
K) Four alignment stickers (on photo just below cleats)

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Phew – lots of stuff!

Grouping things together for a better look, here’s the installation pieces in one pile:

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Then we’ve got the power adapter (universal), plugs, and extra long micro-USB cords:

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Then the cleats:

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Finally, the pedals themselves.  Each pedal is identical.  Note that there are two different bePRO product options though.  One that has a single pedal, and one that has two pedals (sorta like Garmin Vector & Vector S).  I’m only testing the dual-pedal system.

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While the pedals can screw into virtually any crank arm out there, it does take a special tool to do so correctly.

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With everything unboxed, let’s briefly look at how it compares.

Weights & Sizes:

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Perhaps the most common question is whether or not the bePRO pedals change your ‘q-factor’.  No (in case you were wondering).  The above is an example of the bePRO sitting atop a standard Look KEO pedal; they’re identical (the photo skews things slightly).

Never mind the fact that your q-factor actually changes if you go from road to mountain bike, or that somehow some imply that as humans we’re all destined to have the same q-factor despite varying sizes (or the fact that we tweak every other aspect of the bike down to the last millimeter, but almost never q-factor).  Yes, I’m highly cynical of q-factor concerns since there are actually no real published scientific studies on the topic (that cover longer timeframes than just a single point in time snapshot).

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But of course, none of that matters (and my tangent can be saved for another day) – since the q-factor here is identical.

As for weight, here’s a few common competitors.  In a nutshell, the 156g of the bePRO pedal is the lightest of the ones here. I didn’t weigh the Polar/Look KEO pedal, but officially it comes in at 199g per pedal.  Obviously, I’m only showing one pedal – simply use those advanced calculus skills to double the number seen for total weight.

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Note that all of the images above include all mounting hardware required for a base installation; it’s possible some bikes may require an extra washer or two per crank arm (less than a gram).  If that concerns you, don’t eat that next potato chip.  It’ll work out.

Installation/Configuration:

Now, I’ve gotta be a bit more blunt than usual here.  When I first opened up the box and looked at all the installation parts, I basically muttered a string of expletives.  I wanted something that’d be quick and simple to get going – and in looking at the box or parts, it looked like a complete cluster-duck.

But here’s the thing I found out – in reality, it’s actually not that bad.  The first time you’ll probably be a bit confused, but once you do it once it makes total sense.  And now I’ve moved it between numerous bikes without issue and can do it easily in less than 5 minutes.  Here, let’s start.

In my case I was using an updated PDF copy of the manual, hence the laptop:

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First, you’re going to grab one of your long silver tubes.  These are used as braces for applying the alignment stickers to the cranks.  You can see I’ve screwed it into the crank arm.  However, I forgot to put in the thin (flexible) black tool you’ll see in the next photo.

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So, in my case I un-screwed it and put in that piece first, and then simply twisted in the other side. Captain Obvious notes that if you do this correctly, you shouldn’t be able to turn your crank arm very far.

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Next you’ll grab your four-pack of stickers.  These are simply used to allow you to align the pedals later on.  After you finish installation, these stickers serve no purpose on your bike.

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Now, here’s something I’ve learned in re-installing the stickers multiple times: You’ve only got four of them.  Thus if you have two bikes and want to install it somewhere else (a weekend getaway onto a rental bike), you’re hosed.  Instead, you can simply not push the sticker on very hard, and once installation is done, just peel it gently off and put it back on the sticky paper.  Forever stickers!

See, you just stick it in the little rectangular window:

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Now, do the whole thing on the other side again:

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With your stickers set, remove all of the tools you just had and throw them back in the box.  You won’t need them again.  Next, grab your pedals, the lock nut (usually on pedals already, but just in case), and a spare washer.

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Then, somewhat gently screw it into your crank arm.  The manual implies doing this by hand, but realistically that’s a pain in the ass.  Instead just use the hex wrench to do it quickly, but don’t tighten it.

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At this point in the manual, Favero would like to remind you that if you screw this up – it’s totally your fault:

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Next, you’ll take your pedal and loosen it (yes, loosen) until the line on the pod lines up with the line on the sticker.  Roughly like this (minus the wrench, didn’t have the right photo on the plane):

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Finally, you’re going to do a two-handed maneuver.  This involves both the pedal wrench and the hex wrench.  You’ll simply pull them in the directions that the arrows on the pedal wrench tell you to.

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There is no need for a torque wrench here, just screw it down until it feels tight.  Pedals will automatically self-tighten and settle out over the next few rides.

Repeat for the other side:

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And done.

You’ll simply go ahead and pair your head unit to your bePRO using either the search function (for a power meter), or by entering in the ANT+ ID manually if you want:

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With everything physically installed, we’ll move onto using the system.

General Use Overview:

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By and large the bePRO system is pretty easy to use and pretty straightforward.  They recommend that prior to each ride you do a simple ‘calibration’ procedure (aka Zero Offset), from your head unit.  This is simply just waking up the cranks and then pressing the calibrate button on your head unit.

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The process only takes a few seconds to complete, in which case you’ll get a calibration value (0 hopefully) returned.

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In addition to this they also offer a ‘Dynamic calibration’ option.  This is sorta similar to what Garmin does with Garmin Vector, but just with a little less finesse than Garmin does (in large part because Garmin owns the head unit and can thus make this process neat and tidy for their own power meters).  This process actually just changed slightly in the latest firmware update.  Previously you used the calibrate menu to trigger it, but now you backwards pedal 10 times.  Beyond that the steps are the same.

With the dynamic calibration option you’re aiming to correct for any tiny little shifts to how well the pods fit against the crank arm.  As some of you know, certain power meters require a bit of settling in, and bePRO is one of those.  That means that you want to get in a few rides, with some varied efforts (i.e. short hard sprints) to try and get things all settled.

What the dynamic calibration does is to recalibrate the pedals based on that.  To do a dynamic calibration after backwards pedaling 10 times you’ll start forwards pedaling at an 80RPM cadence.

You’ll need to continue pedaling at 80RPM (+/- 5RPM) for another 30 seconds, where the bePRO units will continue transmitting your cadence values.  Previously you received a calibration value, however now you do not.  That value was actually kinda useful in figuring out if things were still shifting a bit.

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What I’ve found in changing the pedals to/from different bikes four times now, is that it takes on average 2-4 rides until things settle with the bePRO power meter.  That’s roughly in the ball park of some other power meters, such as Vector and Quarq.  As noted above, I’d highly recommend doing some short sprints (i.e. 15-20 seconds) at whatever max power level you can spit out.  Ideally if you’ve just installed the pedals inside, just do these on a trainer.

(Tip: As a general rule anytime I make pedal/bottom bracket/crank changes on a bike, I do a few short sprints on a trainer to validate everything is good and sound.  My reasoning being if I’ve totally screwed something up, at worst that part would break and I just semi-harmlessly fall to the ground inside going 0MPH, versus in a sprint going 30MPH on asphalt with traffic/etc.)

Note that you can do this process both inside and outside.  I’ve done it both places.  Do note however that if you do it outside, during the time period where you’re doing the dynamic calibration, it will not transmit ANY ANT+ power stream to your head unit, so you’ll get a little time gap like this:

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No big deal of course (and kinda logical), but just to be aware of later when analyzing your files (it’s also been noted in the latest edition of the manual).

Next, we’ve got battery usage and consumption.  The unit has rechargeable batteries within each of the small pods.  Those pods are charged via micro-USB port, just like most cell phones (non-iOS).  The bike comes with a dual USB port charging cable setup, which works well:

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It has nice long cables for each one, making it super easy to get to the right spots on your bike.

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Now in theory the system is rated for 30 hours per pedal.  And at first I was on-target for that, no problem.  In fact, I didn’t charge it once from the end of July till almost the end of August.  Great!  But then I found a snag: Movement.

See, during that one month period I didn’t travel with my bike, rather, it left the DCR Cave/Studio and went for a ride and returned to the same spot and then waited for me to ride it again.  But then I went on a roadtrip, and with that there was the train ride down, lots of driving, etc… Before I knew it, I was re-charging my batteries again.

And then a mere 4-5 days later, I was doing it again.  It appears that there might be some bug in the unit not properly falling asleep when moving.  Though, even then it doesn’t really account for the massive gap in battery performance in doing it again just a few days later (i.e. that’d be way more travel than I did).  Since I’ve stopped travelling with the bike, I haven’t seen any battery issues since.  Perhaps it was just a one-off, I’ve noted it to Favero and they’re digging into it a bit, though it may be tougher to replicate.

Compatibility with head units:

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The bePRO power meter is compatible with any ANT+ head unit that supports power meters.  This would be most of the Garmin Edge units above $200, as well as the PowerTap (Joule), Sigma and O-Synce head units.  Along with many other devices and apps out there.

It should be noted that it does not support Bluetooth Smart at this time, which is a bit odd in that many sensors and power meters are now shifting towards dual (concurrent) ANT+/Bluetooth Smart.  So the bePRO would not work with the Suunto Ambit 3 or the Polar M450/V800/V650 units.

Still, for those devices that it does support, the pairing process is pretty simple.  I’m using a Garmin Edge 810 here for simplicity’s sake, but you can use any device you’d like.  First up, you’ll search for the unit:

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Then, once you find it you’ll want to set the crank length on that bike/sensor.  To do so you’ll go into either sensor or bike settings (depends on the bike computer).

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With that set up, you’ll want to do at least one calibration here per the earlier section.  After that, the unit is ready to roll.

While riding you’ll get metrics such as power, cadence, torque efficiency, and pedal smoothness.  Because this is a crank region based power meter, you will not get speed (that will instead come from GPS or a speed sensor).  Within the settings, the unit will also transmit current status:

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Note that the bePRO units do NOT support Garmin Cycling Dynamics.  Garmin makes that fully private and is only available to Garmin Vector & Vector 2 devices, not 3rd party devices.

Below is a compatibility table.  There are essentially a few key items that are required in order for the bePRO unit to be fully supported.  They are:

A) Ability to set crank length
B) Ability to display left/right power
C) Ability to display Torque Effectiveness and Pedal Smoothness (optional)

This is actually the exact same listing of requirements for the recent PowerTap P1’s.  And in general I find that the P1 and bePRO units act exactly the same with respect to behaviors on different head units.  Below, the compatibility table for the bePRO:

bePRO Compatibility

Display UnitCompatibility Status
Garmin Edge 500Fully functional, can set crank length via bike profile
Garmin Edge 510Fully functional, can set crank length via bike profile
Garmin Edge 520Fully functional can set crank length via bike profile in FW 3.00 and higher"
Garmin Edge 800Fully functional, can set crank length via bike profile
Garmin Edge 810Fully functional, can set crank length via bike profile
Garmin Edge 1000Fully functional, can set crank length via bike profile in FW 5.10 and higher
Garmin FR910XTFully functional, can set crank length via bike profile
Garmin FR920XTFully functional, can set crank length via bike profile (Beta Firmware 5.28 now available)
Garmin Fenix2TBD
Garmin Fenix3Fully functional, can set crank length via sensor settings
Garmin EpixFully functional, can set crank length via sensor settings
Garmin VIRB XEFully functional, can set crank length via sensor settings
Polar V800Not supported, BLE-only device - bePRO is ANT+ only
Polar M450Not supported, BLE-only device - bePRO is ANT+ only
Polar V650Not supported, BLE-only device - bePRO is ANT+ only
PowerTap Joule 2Not compatible.
PowerTap Joule 3Not compatible
PowerTap Joule GPSFully functional, can set crank length via sensor settings
PowerTap Joule GPS+Fully functional, can set crank length via sensor settings
Suunto Ambit2TBD
Suunto Ambit3Not supported, BLE-only device - bePRO is ANT+ only

Again, I’ll update this from time to time, but it’s also worthwhile searching the comments section, as oftentimes readers will update compatibility items from time to time there.

Power Meter Accuracy Test Results:

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The bePRO pedals actually found their way back and forth on two different bikes.  First was my triathlon bike – a Cervelo P3C, and the second was my primary road bike – a Giant Defy.  Both of these bikes are setup fairly similar in terms of power meter counts.  Each has a rear PowerTap G3 wheel on it.  And each has a different crank based power meter in test on it (the PowerTap C1 on the Cervelo, and the Verve InfoCrank on the Giant).  For the purposes of these tests, I’m mostly going to use the road bike data, since the PowerTap C1 unit was an earlier prototype and I try not to mix prototype units within production reviews.  Don’t worry, a PowerTap C1 production hardware/software unit should hit posts soon.

From a data collection standpoint, virtually all of the data used in the analysis was collected using product Garmin Edge 520/810/1000 units.  In all cases the bePRO was using the Edge 810’s, since the Edge 520/1000’s don’t yet support crank length for non-Vector power meters (firmware update coming shortly).  Meanwhile the PowerTap G3 and PowerTap C1, as well as the Verve InfoCrank were captured using the Edge 520/1000 (since crank length was irrelevant there).

With that, let’s dive into things.  I’m going to pick a few random rides that talk to specific conditions (i.e. temperature changes), sprints, stable power, cobbles, etc…  The goal being to ferret out any oddities that I might see.  You can download all the ride data at the end of this section.

I’m going to first start with my 2nd ride, to show a little bit of the settling period.  Favero recommends that you re-do a dynamic calibration after a high intensity ride.  This is because of slight shifts in the attachment of the pedal to the crank.  These aren’t usually visible to the human eye, but they are there (just like Vector and others).  What this means is that you may see a slight offset, such as below:

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You can see that all three power meters agree very well, it’s just that the bePRO is running a few percent higher.  Now some could argue that’d be normal – and, a portion of that would be true.  After all, the bePRO is closest to your foot and thus would have the least amount of ‘loss’.  Below, I’ve zoomed in on a section (which changes the scale), note that we’re only talking about 13w on 260w here.

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If we look at the Mean/Max data, which helps to visualize max power outputs over a time graph, you’ll see they align spot-on perfectly. Again, a tiny pre-settling offset – but really, very impressive.

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Next, we’ve got a ride I did with the Verve InfoCrank in the mix.  So now we’re on a different bike, and I left things settle a couple rides on that bike.  Nonetheless, you can see things are basically exactly on top of each other – there’s virtually no appreciable disagreement there.

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If we zoom in, we see the same – especially true on some of the sprints that I did.  For example, here’s zoomed in on a sprint.  This is with a 10s smoothing factor to make it a bit easier to see.  You’ll notice that all three units do almost exactly the same thing.  You see itty-bitty variations, which is normal because of the 1-second recording rates and transmission differences.

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Here, I’ll pick another sprint.  In this case, I’ve reduced again the smoothing rate down to just 3-seconds, and all three still look stunningly close.  I specifically choose one point at the top where they were wider apart (standard delays), yet the next second they’re all within 18w (at 650w – or 2.7%).  That’s totally normal variance for three power meters measuring in dramatically different places on the bike.

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And the cadence data here? Just as good.  You’ll always see slight difference in cadence data on stop and go activities like this, because of the way power meters differ in updating cadence when you go from 0RPM to 90RPM.  But you can see that once I’m pedaling all three of them completely agree.  The only exception being that sometimes coming down from sprints you’ll see the PowerTap G3 be a bit wobbly, but that’s because it has more of an estimated cadence than truly measured.

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And again, here’s the Mean/Max graph for that ride too:

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Lastly, we’re going to look at a mountain ride I did.  I want to include this because the temperature drops as I climb.  For this ride I ascend about 3,000ft over the course of a fairly short time period (35mins):

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And thus the temperature drops about 20 degrees:

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Yet still, everything aligns right on top of each other:

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Let’s zoom in on the climb as well (I never stopped during it):

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The key item above is that you don’t see any drifting on the bePRO.  You’ll see that in general, the bePRO records the highest power track, but that’s mostly consistent throughout the climb.  You see a few bumps of more variance in the last 2-3 minutes of the climb, but I’d be guessing that’s probably to do with me being on steep gravelly and potholed roads and I believe I was only clipped in one pedal just in case I had to bail (so my contact with the power sensor in the pedal wasn’t clean).  Thus I’m not really concerned there as I haven’t seen any issues with cobbles or the like in and around Paris.

And finally, if we look at cadence on that climb, it looks pretty darn good.  Though there are two brief seconds for a few seconds where there’s some variance.  It’s not clear to me if I did something different in those moments that might have triggered that (i.e. being unclipped briefly for one-legged or what).  So it might be a bug that’s since been fixed in the latest firmware.

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Overall, I’m not seeing anything on the accuracy front that’s of any concern.  It’s consistently been spot-on with other power meters that I’ve thrown at it.

Now one interesting item I saw on my very last ride before publishing was a condition where one-legged pedaling on the right side caused the power for both units to drop.  However, Favero confirms they also saw this bug and have already fixed it in a firmware update that was just released.

Here’s a Dropbox link with all raw ride data.

Power Meter Durability:

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I’ve noted numerous times in responses to comments since receiving the units that my primary concern has been with the durability of the unit, in terms of how well it’d stand up to wear and tear.  Not so much the pedals themselves, but rather the pods that sit in between the pedals and the crank arm.

To begin, we’ll start with the micro-USB port covers.  These are kinda crappy.

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They easily fall off when poked, and Favero seems to even implicitly acknowledge that.  After all, they included a spare set of the doors/caps within the box.  I’ve never had them pop off out on the road, but did have one pop off/out while on a trainer when I clipped in just the wrong way.  They also readily fall out when trying to open/close them for charging.

When I asked Favero about this, they noted that the battery covers aren’t needed to protect the port itself.  Rather, the port is internally waterproofed to IPX7 standards (so 30 minutes at 1-meter deep).  Thus the port cover mostly serves to keep dirt/sand/etc out of there to keep a good connection.  Still, it’s not ideal.

My next concern was around the plastic siding on the pods.  It doesn’t seem crisp and I found it easily got damaged over the course of my time using them due to clipping in/out.  My concern here being that this could lead to water leakage inside the unit should cracks develop (a seemingly likely scenario after months of usage based on the trend I see).

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I also went back to Favero on this as well.  They noted that in actuality the plastic is pretty much just cosmetic.  The pods themselves are fully sealed in a hardened resin.  They provided a photograph (below) of what one looked like prior to the pod casing being added (below shows it sanded down a bit as part of a test they were doing).  They noted that this fully waterproofs the entire pod itself, and also makes it completely enclosed.  In fact, once the resin is added the unit’s electronics are actually unreachable.  Then entire pod is then laminated as well.

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So I’d say that mostly solves my concern about water getting into the pod (though it doesn’t solve the aspect around how pretty it might look after many months of usage).

Lastly, for lack of another spot to stick it – a few readers had purchased bePRO units earlier this summer and expressed concerns around the lack of support in August (Favero essentially went on vacation for two weeks, leaving customers with no support mechanism).  I enquired about this as well, and the company straight-up admitted it was a screw-up and that they’ve learned from it.  Here’s what they had to say:

“It’s true, we had not sufficient time to organize a proper support during these 2 weeks of August.  Actually, [employee name] respond to many emails and phone call even [on] vacation. When we went back to work, we saw so many requests (bePRO reservations for next production batches, information requests, some support on installation, …), for sure we will keep support active even during holiday.”

So it sounds like they’re putting in place the required staffing to ensure continuous support year-round.

Power Meter Recommendations:

As a general rule of thumb, when purchasing a power meter you should focus on your specific requirements.  Meaning that if you ask a bike shop “Which power meter is best?” and they give you XYZ brand, then you must fire them as your power meter consultant.  Rather, they should be asking you about things such as do you swap bikes?  Do you swap wheels?  What type of pedals/cleats do you use?  What type of chainrings do you use?  And so on.  That allows them to identify a specific power meter type that might be best, and then from there a specific product.

Now, within the context of pedal based power meters, the bePRO ranks fairly highly on my list.  The pedal based power meter world as of today consists of the following players:

– Garmin Vector/Vector 2
– PowerTap P1
– Polar/Look KEO Power
– Favero bePRO

There are no doubt products announced by other companies for products in the pedal or pedal connectivity region (i.e. Brim Brothers, Watteam, Limits, Look-specific offering), but only the above four companies have actually shipped something to consumers today as of the date of this publishing.  That’s an incredibly important distinction in a segment of the industry where delays are often years in the making.

So given those four players, I think it’s fair to say the best value for the money in a pedal based power meter at present is the bePRO.  Whereas my favorite in terms of portability, durability and general ease of use is the PowerTap P1.  And then the most metrics comes from the Vector/Vector2.  But I still think at this juncture the Vector/Vector2 and the Polar offerings are overpriced.  If perhaps Garmin or Polar did some form of rebate or price drop down to $999, then things might change.

Note I don’t believe it’s worthwhile to look at single-pedal offerings (i.e. Polar Power Essential or Garmin Vector S), given the prices those companies are charging for single-pedal.  There are far better deals from Power2Max, Quarq, and PowerTap for crank/chainring based systems.

Finally, as usual I’ll be doing my Annual Power Meter Buyers Guide the week after Interbike (so that’s two weeks from now).  This will encompass a bit of a ‘state of the industry’, futures, and thoughts on power meter purchasing.

Summary:

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Overall I think the bePRO power meter is a great value today.  It might not be the prettiest power meter out there, but it’s the best priced pedal based power meter on the market.  It’s reasonably easy to install after you do it once and understand what’s going on.  Further, from an accuracy standpoint, metrics look very strong.  I haven’t had any issues in shifting temperatures (mountain climbs), nor rain (or shine).  The pedal body itself hasn’t posed any problems and performed well, and I’ve been able to use it successfully without any incidents.

While I do have concerns about long term exterior durability, bePRO seems to have architected the internals of the product to stand up, even if the outside shows more wear than I’d like.  Further, their 2-year warranty (required in the EU) should help ease any concerns there.  However, the unit today only supports ANT+, which could be a deterrent for some that are using Bluetooth Smart head units.  But I suspect that won’t be a blocker for most.

Of course, the power meter market is moving very quickly with new entrants announcing products frequently.  While Interbike is next week, I don’t expect to see any earth shattering news there at this point – most of the major power meter players have made their announcements.  But of course, ya never know.

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bePRO single-sided pedal (left power pedal, right empty pedal)
bePRO dual-sided pedals (both left & right power pedals)

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  1. David Tunney

    Your compatibility table seems a little screwed

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  2. Your compatibility table may need a little refinement, Ray.

    More seriously, do you have any feeling for whether they’re going to offer different pedal types? I like their approach (and the fact that they’re both shipping and accurate), but I really enjoy my Speedplay pedals. Are folk signing exclusive deals, or the manufacturing system just too specific to expand out?

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    • EvilEuro

      I’m not sure if it’s 100% true, but I believe the reason Garmin, PowerTap, and now BePRO have all gone with the Keo pedal is because it is no longer patent protected. So it’s open to be developed on and / or has “generic” pedal bodies which folks can get to develop their powermeters.

      Again, I’m not 100% sure on this, but I believe that to be the reason you’re not seeing anyone developing on Speedplays, Shimano SPD-SL’s, or the Time Xpresso platform.

      So if you want pedals, it’s go Look or keep waiting for Brim Brothers to finally release their powermeter, which to date I think is the only one that’s supposed to be released on a Speedplay platform.

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  3. Trav G

    Well that just complicates things for me!
    As usual, great review Ray thanks.
    Assuming one was to keep the stickers on both bikes, the pedal swapping should be near-on as painless as the Powertap P1’s ?

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    • Not quite as painless. The reason is with the P1’s you’re just using any old hex wrench and you’re done. So if travelling, just a hex wrench and the pedals. Super easy.

      Whereas with the bePRO you need not only the pedals, but also all of the tools (two rods, thin connected piece, wrench, hex wrench). Also, there’s no settling period on the P1’s.

      Again, hardly show-stoppers, and one has to decide whether paying the extra $400-$500 is worth that savings (+ Bluetooth Smart).

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    • Antoine De Groote

      If it weren’t for incompatible cleats on the P1 to a global standard like Look or Shimano, I would get that powermeter, as it is a no-brainer if you switch bikes often. But I don’t like the idea of being dependent on cleats that work only with that particular pedal. And they are not very easy to get either.

      So, I have a quick question concerning the settling period. If you tend to switch pedals quite often, let’s say after 1 or 2 rides, does that mean you won’t get accurate data from the bePRO because it takes a couple of rides to settle?

      Thanks!

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    • gabor

      Just to make sure. P1 and BePro uses the SAME cleat, made by Wellgo/Xpedo. Also it seems to me that the pedal body of the P1 is made by Xpedo.
      I use my P1 with no problem with Keo cleats, but once I stepped out of the pedal, and after that I tried the original (P1, made by Wellgo) cleats. More clear release from the pedal, so it seems better. But you can expect the same compatibility/incompatibility issue with BePro, so it should be no reason for the decision between P1 and BePro.

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    • Antoine De Groote

      Very interesting and great point! Didn’t find that out yet, despite reading several reviews. This does change my point of view to this matter.

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  4. Sylvester Jakubowski

    Broken chart attached.

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    • Should be all fixed, was some weird formatting error. Thanks!

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    • Sam

      It’s fixed, but what drive train is that?

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    • Antoine De Groote

      If it weren’t for incompatible cleats on the P1 to a global standard like Look or Shimano, I would get that powermeter, as it is a no-brainer if you switch bikes often. But I don’t like the idea of being dependent on cleats that work only with that particular pedal. And they are not very easy to get either.

      So, I have a quick question concerning the settling period. If you tend to switch pedals quite often, let’s say after 1 or 2 rides, does that mean you won’t get accurate data from the bePRO because it takes a couple of rides to settle?

      Thanks!

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    • Yes, that’s correct.

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    • Antoine De Groote

      Thanks.

      Allow me a follow-up question. Do you have any evidence or numbers on how big the error may be during the settling period and if it in this case numbers would be always too high or always too low?

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    • Yup, I detail the exact specifics in the first three or so graphs in the accuracy section: link to dcrainmaker.com

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  5. With two months of use the wear on the plastic shell is a red flag for me. Sure the unit is sealed and they alleged it is cosmetic only, but it is enough to keep me away. Especially if this is just normal clipping in and out wear?

    Do you miss the clip-in a lot? :)

    I train, race, and ride over 7k miles a year in various midwestern weather conditions. That includes crit racing, crashing, bike travel, ect…. What happens when one clips a pedal, does the plastic shell explode?

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    • I don’t think I misclip that often, odd though.

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    • Eli

      With the plastic shell right on top of the filler epoxy then it would just wear away a bit of the black external plastic. There is nothing to explode as there is no air space under it. Also if you clip a pedal while riding there is no way that plastic part gets hit as the bike will be leaning causing the pedal to be the thing that gets hit.

      The damage Ray has is probably from rolling the bike unloaded and the crank arm hits the ground. (Say roll the bike off the curb) My crank arms have lots of scruff marks on them around the pedal axel from that

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    • Mike Watson

      They do make it clear in their paperwork that you should have 2mm of clearance, if not then you should install shims on the cleats

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  6. Specialist

    There are a couple of papers on Q factor:
    link to ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
    link to ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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    • Indeed, but none of them seem to cover anything more than a single point in time snapshot. And interestingly, by reading the abstract on the first it’s basically saying it doesn’t matter.

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    • Eli

      Single point in time? As in training on a different q factor would change the results?

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  7. Benjamin Gordon

    How sensitive is the pod to alignment with the sticker? Hopefully just ‘eyeballing’ it is close enough. Also note that Favero has additional stickers for sale in their shop, as well as lots of other replacement parts.

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    • The manual seems to imply eyeballing is close enough. I didn’t take out a ruler to validate.

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    • Benjamin Gordon

      That’s good. Thanks a lot for another fantastic review!

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    • Since except small constant offset Favero’s PM tracked others so nicely I am curious if that offset can be that smal error in eyeballing 😉

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    • The manual doesn’t specify any tool to ensure the two lines match, and we’re talking at most a centimeter there, so not sure why one wouldn’t eyeball it.

      Additionally, the point of the dynamic calibration is to handle the slight mechanical shifts that will occur (just like Vector).

      Favero didn’t seem to have any issues with how I did it (likely because it matches the manual).

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    • That’s a lot of faffing to install very carefully aligned stickers, to then just eyeball the final alignment of the pod to the sticker – which may move anyway with use!

      Sounds like you could just eyeball the pod alignment toward the centre of the crank, without using the stickers, and get as good results?

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  8. Michael

    Great review. Should “lights” be replaced with lines

    Next, you’ll take your pedal and loosen it (yes, loosen) until the line on the pod lights up with the line on the sticker. Roughly like this (minus the wrench, didn’t have the right photo on the plane):

    Michael

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  9. Lutz

    Thanks for the review, fits with what I exerience so far.

    You sure the dynamic calibration does calibrate actually something via software? For my understanding it just checks if the installation angle of the pedal is still within tolerance (the white lines). If the angle changes (e.g. if the pedal gets loose) then dynamic calibration ‘fails”?

    Pretty impressive pic of the pedals without housing! I’m a bit relieved 😉

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    • Yes, it calibrates it (and bePRO has confirmed that). It’s just unfortunate that they removed the ability to see those numbers.

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  10. Lutz

    Thanks for the review, fits with what I exerience so far.

    You sure the dynamic calibration does calibrate actually something via software? For my understanding it just checks if the installation angle of the pedal is still within tolerance (the white lines). If the angle changes (e.g. if the pedal gets loose) then dynamic calibration ‘fails”?

    Pretty impressive pic of the pedals without the housing! I’m a bit relieved, as mine starts to show scratches too 😉

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    • Yes, up until the most recent firmware you actually got a two-digit number back for each pedal (in the form of a four-digit number). It was really cool because you could see the drift. As long as you were between 16 and 88 (I think that’s the top number, off the top of my head) for each set, you were good. They got rid of that unfortunately though in the last firmware update, which makes me sad. Now it’s just pass or fail, and you can’t see the drift anymore.

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  11. I think watching the video before doing the installation would make it a LOT easier: link to youtube.com.

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  12. Grega Juvancic

    Nice to see the PM market expanding, but this is yet another system based on Look pedals/cleats.
    I changed to Speedplay 2 years ago (have had the same cleats on my shoes and no problems and ever since, as opposed to Look and changing cleats every 2-3 months) this is the only system that exists for me from now on 😀

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    • JRA

      It just shows how popular the Look based cleat systems are vs Speedplay. I’m not of fan of Speedplay, but to each their own.

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  13. Geoffrey Taylor

    Hey DC great review as usual. Do you think that Powertap will drop the price on their pedals now that their is another competitor out there? I know that would be pure speculation but just wanted to pick your brain.

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    • Lolwatts

      BePro are 55% of the price of P1 & Vector 2 (comparing RRP)

      I am a little surprised that more hasn’t been previously made about how much of a “price-shock” this could be. Perhaps because they were so out of the blue and from an unknown brand, and with unknown reliability/accuracy…..
      ……but now a very favourable DC Ray review.

      I see this putting more pressure on Garmin due to the install process, but if Garmin drops surely Powertap P1 would follow.

      I wonder if any rushed response is being planned for Interbike?
      I sometimes think how a more price aggressive response to stages launch announcement might have reduced/neutralised their market dominance.

      Would love to have inside knowledge on how the power market calculates their pricing policy, and how changes to competition impact it.

      I think we might be moving to a more profit-through-volume model at some point, when market dominance is the all important factor.

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    • It depends a bit on the market. For example, your 55% is comparing EUR prices of both products. But in the US market, the bePRO is basically $849, vs $1,199 for the PowerTap, so it’s about 71% instead, or a 30% difference….or $350.

      I think there’s probably also aspects I probably should add into the review on support for US folks, which would likely mean sending pedals back to Italy should something go wrong. Versus many other brands having various local/semi-local channels for replacement.

      That said, yes, I think at some point you’ll see prices drop. I think Garmin is probably in the spotlight for the most out of whack prices right now. And I’d take a gamble they’ll do their usual pattern which is to rebate them a bunch, and then probably ‘stick’ the rebate after the rebate period. i.e. doing something like a $350USD rebate to get them just below the P1’s, and then after the rebate period that becomes their new price. Either way, $1,499 isn’t sustainable for Vector once word continues to get out about other options.

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    • David lusty

      Very US centric post from a guest European there Ray. The flip side is that we in Europe have local support for a change. It’s also nice that Europe isn’t getting screwed on price for a change!
      From your reviews I would consider the P1s but the fact that these are almost half the price in the UK makes it a no brainier since they work identically with Ant+. Sure they may scuff, but I could buy a spare set for Sunday best instead of going for the more resilient P1 :)

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    • True, totally different prices there – I was surprised to see how much the P1’s were here (EUR).

      There is however is PowerTap support here in Europe – as there is for most other companies. So I can’t really think of any US/CAN power meter companies except 4iiii were you’d have to send stuff back and forth across the pond (SRAM, Garmin, Power2Max, PowerTap, Stages, etc… all have support facilities here in Europe).

      Don’t get me wrong – it is a good price for the units. But I just don’t actually think it’ll drive price changes by itself. That’s going to take 1-2 other smaller company options (like PowerBeat) to make further inroads for the larger pedal based PM pricing.

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  14. Ian dg

    Do they work on carbon cranks. all my bikes have carbon cranks. ty

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  15. Leendert

    Great review DC, many thanks,

    “Now, within the context of pedal based power meters, the bePRO ranks fairly highly on my list. The pedal based power meter world as of today consists of the following players:

    – Garmin Vector/Vector 2
    – PowerTap P1
    – Polar/Look KEO Power
    – Favero bePRO”

    What about the XPEDO THRUST E pedals; on Bikester.nl they are for sale for €1099,–

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    • Are they actually shipping though? Looking at the translated site I can’t tell (it says in stock, but sometimes sites source from 3rd party sites, so it might not truly be correct). They’ve been claiming to be “Shipping soon” for the better part of 2-3 years now.

      I’ll see if they’re at Interbike and poke there.

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    • Leendert

      I m not certain, but I expect Bikester to have their stock notice spot on (merely gut feeling though).

      I already ordered the BrePro a month ago, purely based on your first reports; it’s in backorder now. Hopefully get them soon; anyway, the pedals will first be put on my CX for some serious winter (gravel) riding. I m not to concerned on the wear you encountered and in the end you can change the sensor yourself. The sensor doesn’t come cheap at €340,–, but still a nice option.

      And for the weight weenies; the first time less weight comes in cheaper :-))

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  16. John

    So when you eventually destroy the plastic exterior of the pods with your shoes the hardened resin will then be exposed? Yikes

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  17. Erik Wolla

    Ray, do you know if the bePRO support non-round chainrings?

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  18. JR

    You said it supports only ANT+ today. Is there any indication it will support bluetooth later day?

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  19. Borut Lunder

    Excellent review.

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  20. Martyn

    Great review. Any idea if the pedals operate independently of each other? I.e. Could you use right on one bike and left on the other? Or is the right pedal similar to Vector where all the data is transmitted through the one pedal?

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    • Andrew

      They will really have to be similar to the Vector – with ANT+ the head unit only connects to a single device, so one pedal will be the master. I figure they will also be pre-linked, so you have to keep them as a set and likely can’t replace just one if you break / misplace one pedal.

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  21. Andy C S

    Their assurance that the plastic exterior is really only cosmetic doesn’t really do much for them. They’ll need to get that sorted somehow and I’m amazed they didn’t reach that conclusion themselves.
    It took you about one month to make them ugly enough you – a specialist in all things PM – had concerns.
    What will the average consumer think?

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  22. Chip

    Ray, curious to your thoughts on these compared to the P1s. Do you think the P1s are worth a couple hundred bucks more? Easier install, less settling, likely won’t show as much wear, etc.
    Thanks.

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    • Don Rhummy

      You clearly did not even read the article. He addressed the P1 vs BePro.

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  23. AbQ

    Why is the ability to set crank length on the bike computer important for a pedal based system? The power (Watt) is measured on the pedal where your foot pushes. So it is a direct measurement (no correction is needed i.e. crank length). Only for measuring torque the crank length is needed. Or am i missing something?

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    • Andrew

      Nice question, I think I can answer some of it. For ANT+ pedals are handled in the same way as crank power meters – the data is still sent as a torque value for the crank, and the power is calculated from this on the head unit, so for this they need the crank length. I wonder if there might also be a need to know the distance between the pedal meters to aid in the calculation and/or so that the arc they move in is known?.

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    • Mike Hensen

      Ray mentioned this before, can’t remember which post, it has to do with radial velocity and cadence as part of the power measurement, leading to lower or higher readings based on arm length

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    • Paul S

      The pedal doesn’t measure watts. It measures newtons, the force tangent to the arc that the pedal is traveling. To convert that to power you need to know how far away from the center of motion (the crank spindle) the force is being applied.

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    • Krzysztof Kajetanowicz

      Apparently bePRO has released PC software that allows you to set crank length and update the firmware on the power meter.

      So, I gather that the software inside the power meter will convert torque into watts for you. No head unit needed, unless you have no PC and no access to one.

      This is good news for all Garmin 310XT users, I guess.

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  24. PeterE

    “just peal it gently ” …I think you meant peel. :)

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  25. PeterE

    I guess durability is not an issue given what’s underneath, but I would be worried about wearing off the alignment line on the body over time.

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    • David lusty

      Am I the only one that can see the alignment line is just a centre line on the crank?
      If it worries you I’d have thought you could easily make a replacement sticker aligner device that just has a slot for a sharpie, that way you could refresh it daily without worry.

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    • jurcsi

      i think Peter thought of the alignment line on the pedal and not on the crank…

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  26. Andrew

    While the setup process does end up being simpler than it first looks (cluster-duck – nice one!), the whole mess with stickers seems unnecessary. The whole point of the tools & stickers is to find out the centre-line of the crank for aligning each pedal hub. So lets say they take the long black tool, fill-in the hole at each end except for a 2mm wide slot. Then you take a permanent marker pen and draw a line in the slot on the tool. As a result of this you now have a useful guideline for the next time you want to swap the pedals between bikes (and don’t need to repeat the tool setup process to position the stickers as you would now). Maybe the mark wears off over time, but that’s no great drama.

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  27. John

    Ray,
    you say there are only 4 shipping, But isn’t Pioneer shipping as well?

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    • Pioneer is crank based (albeit dual-sided).

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    • S Kay

      John

      Perhaps you overlooked.
      ” The pedal based power meter world as of today consists of the following players”

      The are many other crank, the powertap hubs….see DC’s last year’s review and subsequent reviews.

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  28. LRead

    An aluminum alloy shell for the electronics would make much more sense. Now if they make the shell ( plastic or alu) consumer replaceable, that would be even better.

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  29. peter whelan

    Anyone know if these pedals will work with the Wahoo Reflekt?
    thanks

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    • Not the RLKFT, but the RFLKT+. Within that, it would support total power correctly, but I don’t think the Wahoo platform fully supports exporting of left/right data. It came up on a recent conversation with the PowerTap P1 pedals, and Wahoo took it as an action to get that working correctly within their platform.

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  30. Wal

    I dunno. I’m always leery of a product where the warrantee is voided by something as simple as turning a spanner the wrong way which, let’s face it, is reasonably easy to do on a rotating, counter threaded part. If the error is so foreseeable then why not engineer the product so that it won’t be irreparably damaged rather than put the onus on the consumer?

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    • Viva

      I guess it’s not that easy. Keep in mind, that most torque tools also get damaged if used in the wrong direction.

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  31. PaulM

    Any issues with using standard Look Keo grey cleats rather than the supplied versions?

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  32. Pierce

    How does the bePro give a reading on pedal smoothness? I see on their web page it’s a PS%, can this feature be used/monitored to improve stroke efficiency?

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  33. Kgreene

    Thanks for the review Ray. Do I understand correctly that the BePro needs 4-6 rides to settle after moving it from one bike to another? You mentioned that this timeframe is similar to other PMs, but my Quarq is fine when moving to another bike. It only requires settling when I (very rarely) swap chainrings. I’m enticed by the BePro but it sounds like it’s not yet very efficient for multiple bike use.

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    • For Quarq, it’s for chainrings as you noted – so not as impacted by bike moving as just new-install. Vector is bike moving. And bePo is bike moving, but not 4-6 – rather the 2-4 I mentioned.

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  34. Kgreene

    Thanks Ray and sorry for misremembering the number of rides BePro takes to settle. There’s just so much info in your reviews!

    I’m looking forward to hearing about others’ experiences with this PM.

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  35. Ronan Kernan

    Would they be compatible with the Magellan Switch Up?

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    • It’s been a super-long time since I’ve used the Switch/Up, but I don’t believe it supports crank length. So you’d be fine if you had 172.5mm cranks, but not if you had something else. Also, I don’t think it supports left/right (but fine for total power).

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  36. Rónán Kernan

    Thanks for that, I’m on 172.5mm cranks so that should be fine. Will calibration still be possible through the Switch/Up?

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    • Yup, still the same procedure there. Again, I haven’t used the Switch/Up in a long time, so I can’t be 100% sure it’ll work there. But in theory it should.

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    • Ben

      Great article thanks.

      Similar to the above question would I be ok with a Garmin 520 if riding 172.5 cranks? If not any idea on how long we might be waiting for that firmware?!

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    • Yes, no issues at all for the 520 with 172.5’s, since that’s the default.

      The firmware update sounds like it’s in the range of days away, but that’s of course pending no issues being found.

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  37. James Gill

    Thanks for a very in-depth review! Did you have any issues with the pods getting in the way of your shoes attaching to the pedals etc?

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  38. Tim B

    Hey Ray, further to the comments about Q factor not being too much of an issue, racing both track and road where there was a fair bit of difference in both was never an issue. Just like changing from the road to the mtb.

    Do you have any photo’s with your bike shoes in the pedal?
    I’m interested to see the room after a shoe is clicked in. I was looking at my set up today and have concerns that my shoe would collide with the pod.

    Thanks and great review. I just love your page.
    Tim

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    • I don’t have any photos handy. I get back to Paris on Wednesday, so if you drop a comment then to remind me, I’d be happy to take a photo.

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    • Tim B

      Any luck with those photos with shoe in pedal Ray?
      Thanks,
      Tim

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  39. Moritz Haager

    So here is my concern. Taking 2-4 rides to settle in takes the draw of result swapping PMs between bikes out of the equation for me. If I take just my pedals on vacation with me to use in a rental bike I might not have 2-4 rides to wait for accurate power measurements.
    On the other hand there powertap pedals would be great if they were actually available. My LBS says it’s unlikely that we world be able to get them until next summer here in Canada. I’m not sure that the place of the P1s on your currently shipping list is entirely justified.
    BTW I actually perfect the look of the Bepro to the powertaps but to each their own.

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  40. Thomas L

    Thank you for a great review! (as always!).
    Does the bePRO work with oval chainrings (non-round chainrings) ?
    I cannot find this information on the bePRO website.

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    • Lukman Nuhakim

      Bepro is a pedal based power meter. It is independent of the type of crankset, chainring, wheelset, bottom bracket or groupset.

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  41. Alan Laycock

    Hey DC, you mention having a Headunit that can change crank length, is this essential or will it just result in a more accurate power reading?

    Thanks.

    Great review!

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  42. Moritz Haager

    Hi Ray,
    Is the settling in thing with these pedals a function of the hardware or software? Could it be remedied by using a torque wrench to standardize tightening, or some other trick?
    Thanks
    Moritz

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    • So the shift is a natural thing that happens in virtually all pedals, really no matter how hard you try and torque them down. You just put out a heck of a lot more force than a torque wrench can (in a sprint). However, how each company handles that is complicated. I don’t know why PowerTap (for example) can correctly track that tiny shift, but Garmin and bePro are unable. I’m not sure if it has to do with design of the spindles, or perhaps is software driven. I’ll poke some people next week at the ANT+ Symposium and see if I can uncover some clarity, that conference is usually a good place to geek out and ask the engineers oddball questions like that.

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  43. Nenad

    Thanks for great review.

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  44. Thomas L

    Favero/bePRO and oval chainrings.

    FYI – just received this info from Favero:

    Dear Mr. Thomas,
    thank you for your enquiry.
    At the moment bePRO doesn’t completely support the oval chain rings; the power output may suffer some little variation.
    Anyway, seeing that the variation is repeatable, the new version of the software bePRO-Updater will allow to balance this gap and obtain a more realistic value.

    At your disposal, we remain.

    Best Regards,
    Marco Fornasier
    FAVERO ELECTRONICS srl
    via R.Lombardi 64 – 31030 Arcade TV – ITALY
    Tel.+39 0422 874140 fax +39 0422 874141
    http://www.favero.com

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  45. David Griffiths

    Hi Ray,
    Thanks for your great review. Purchased bepro as a result. I’ve now got my pedals. However with my brand new giro empire slx shoes the sole of the shoe collides with the pod. Have you had similar issues? Thinking the only solution is to put some sort of spacer beneath the cleat? If this works I’m not sure sure about clearance with overshoes.
    Anyone suggest a solution?
    Thanks,
    David.

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  46. Philip

    I would love to see a pic of the pedal with a shoe attached.
    Because i’m thinking about ordering a pair but i’m kinda afraid that i’ll abrade my shoe and the sensor every turn since my shoesize is 12.5(US) and my forefoot is relative wide. (i bet it wont feel great on my feet as well if it does this all the time on a 6h+ ride…)

    Greetings from Austria,
    thanks,
    Philip

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    • Stig F

      Send bePro an email on the issue and inform them what shoe you are using. They confirmed to me that there would be no interference with the sensor using my S-Works shoes.

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  47. Tim B

    Hey Ray
    How did you go with photos of shoes clipped into the pedal?
    Thanks,
    Tim

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    • Leendert

      sidi scarpe hydro gore-tex eur 45 us 10.5

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    • Oops, sorry, and here were mine (took these a few weeks ago but brain-farted on posting pic).

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    • And one more…

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    • Leendert

      Like Dom already suggested, I put a sliced inner tube section around the pod, and it works fine; there’s enough room for it around the pod.

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    • Leendert

      I put the sliced inner tube section around the pod, and it works fine.

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    • Leendert

      in place

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    • James

      Nice hack Leendert! What tube size/dimension did you use?

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    • DavidN

      Hi, great idea to use inner tube. Can you confirm how well this is working, in terms of protecting the seemingly fragile plastic pod outer?

      I am trying to decide on these or P1’s.

      Thanks

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    • Leendert

      Sorry James,

      I only noticed your question yesterday; I looked for the box of the inner tube, but can’t find it at the moment. Neither is there a notification on the piece of tube that’s left. I will be able to look for the box at my other home next week.

      Leendert

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    • Leendert

      David,

      the idea came from Dom and it works flawlessly; I have the inner tube around my first pair of BePro pedals for 2500 km on the CX (did some gravel racing with it as well). The pedal/pod looks brand new.
      The P1’s will set you back for 1299 euro’s in The Netherlands. Furthermore for the weight weenies around us; well some folks spend hundreds of euro’s on gear that’s a 100 grams less in weight…

      Leendert

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    • Leendert

      Late reply, sorry 😐

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  48. Jeffrey

    Hi Ray,

    Great review as always. One question, for users of oval chainrings, what type of pwoermeter would you recommend?

    Thanks,

    Jeffrey

    Reply
  49. JR

    Does anyone have an idea how long the order queue is at their own shop?

    Reply
    • Lars

      Not the length of the queue, but mid September when I made a reservation the returning mail said: “The expected current lead time is of 60-70 days.”

      Reply
    • Leendert

      Hi JR,

      I made a reservation via the bePRO web shop on the eight of august and received a reservation code at the beginning of this week; so the waiting list is indeed around two months in my case.
      link to powermetershop.de state they can deliver in 3-7 days.

      Reply
  50. Dom

    With regards to durability of the pods, and having only seen pictures of it, I’m guessing that you could protect them by covering them with a sliced inner tube section. Just a thought.

    Reply
  51. Stig F

    Hi,
    just wanted to mention one thing. I am normally riding with the Look Shims to increase the q-factor a bit. My knees are straighter throughout the pedal stroke (no flex at 0 degrees) with these shims. I asked bePro if the shims would have an impact. They came back to me and told me that they conducted a test and their is no problem to use additional shims. The look shims are 3 mm, so I assume that is what they tested. My impression is also that they were very keen on answering my question, so thumbs up for their support on this issue.

    Reply
  52. Just as a super-quick FYI – Clever Training now has the bePRO pedals in stock. As always, you can support the site via Clever Training and save 10% on your order using coupon code DCR10MHD

    Here’s the two links:

    bePRO single-sided pedal (left power pedal, right empty pedal): link to clevertraining.com
    bePRO dual-sided pedals (both left & right power pedals): link to clevertraining.com

    Enjoy!

    Reply
    • Matthias

      Any update on the European equivalent of CT? :)

      Reply
    • Stepan

      Europe? Pleas?

      Reply
    • nenad

      Coupon code DCR10MHD does not work.

      Reply
    • Weird. On it and talking with CT to fix, will report back shortly. Sorry!

      Reply
    • Jochen

      Has anybody experience with the duties and custom charges for the shipping to Germany after buying the pedals at CT?
      Thanks!

      Reply
  53. Martyn

    Does clever training deliver to UK?

    Reply
  54. Henri

    Is there some problems in compatibility with look cleats?
    (as powertap have)

    Reply
  55. Out of stock already?

    Reply
    • Right now Favero/bePRO is operating on a 90-day lead time for new orders…which…is crazy long. While CT had purchased some initial bulk for all the earlier orders, they certainly didn’t purchase 90 days worth (nobody would unless it was a new GoPro or a new Garmin). :-/

      Reply
    • Krzysztof Kajetanowicz

      “Previously you received a calibration value, however now you do not. That value was actually kinda useful in figuring out if things were still shifting a bit.”

      Update: you do get the value displayed by the firmware, once you’ve hooked the pedal(s) to your PC.

      Reply
  56. Paul Fitzpatrick

    Just received my set of BePros from Cyclepowermeters website

    They look great, although the unit was bigger than I was expecting in the flesh.
    Set them up on my turbo bike (single speed, no brakes etc) with 165mm cranks. Set is up pretty straight forward actually. When I first tried them, the calibration was simple and Power number matched the Tacx Flow readout almost exactly.
    Next morning though, after using the Favero updater tool to change the crank length setting to 165mm, I am suddenly only showing about 30W output and some wildly out Calibration numbers. :(
    2 questions if anyone can help
    1) Should I just refit and try again
    2) How do I set Crank Length within Garmin 800, I go into Bike DetaIls and there is only wheel size etc, despite having latest firmware.

    Cheers

    Reply
    • I’d change it on the Edge 800 – I bet that’s your issue. Ensure you have the bePRO paired/on, and then go to the bikes details, more page and set the crank length.

      Does that show up?

      Reply
    • Leendert

      Paul,

      maybe to obvious thinking of me, but don’t forget the static calibration before each ride.
      Furthermore, at bePRO, they ‘re very keen to help you out; just sent them an e-mail via their support site. My experience two weeks ago is that their response is prompt nowadays (contrary to what several customers experienced during last summer holiday).

      Leendert

      Reply
    • Paul

      Thanks L,
      Static calibration seems fine now, and rereading I notice I am trying to trigger the dynamic by going into the calibration menu, rather than just back pedalling. Will give it another try over weekend.

      Reply
    • Paul

      Thanks DCR,
      I am obviously being an idiot, and hate to use a forum like this to air my Garmin issues, but despite having the BePros paired and calibrated, as soon as I go into Bike Details all I can see is Name, weight and Odo. I even filmed it on the following link to share. Is it a Garmin issue, a BePro pairing issue, or most likely, user error. :(
      link to drive.google.com

      Thanks

      Reply
  57. Art Vandelay

    Thanks for the review DCR.

    Going to splurge on a power meter this Xmas. I think pedal based power meters fit my needs best but cannot justify the cost of the left and right Garmin pedals. So between a single pedal Garmin system and a two pedal bePRO system, which would you recommend?

    Thanks in advance!

    Art

    Reply
  58. Keith

    Any word on the life expectancy of the batteries as its a sealed unit and alas cant be replaced :(

    Reply
  59. Xavi

    Good review as always. I want to buy a powermeter but I doubt between Stages and Bepro. For me it’s not important the double measurement of Bepro for each leg. Which one have better precission and durability?

    Many thanks in advance.

    Reply
  60. Roman Komarov

    Hello. Is compatible with the power meter bePro kranks ROTOR?

    Reply
  61. Roman Komarov

    I’m interested in another question. Will the chainrings bePro oval rotor Qring ?

    Reply
  62. Andy Hayes

    We have these and are very happy with them and can help update the compatibility table.

    My wife has a Garmin Fenix 2. Everything works fine here. You can set the crank length using the device and you get all the data (including left and right) except the peddling dynamics (that nobody know what to do with anyway)

    I have an Suunto Ambit 2. You can’t set the crank length using the device but you can do it using the app from your PC (assuming you have an Ant+ dongle). You also don’t get right/left split. But it works with total power just fine.

    Reply
  63. Mark

    I’m looking for a pwoermeter and the pedal systems appeal as they seem bike interchangeable. This BePro is the best value for money (read cheapest) and I only want a single sided system. Ray – are you happy with the device so far? I’d really like a one sided Powertap P1 but can’t find any information about this happening – was there anything at CES?
    Thanks for any help and for your blog – its been exceptionally useful since I discovered it a couple of years ago!!

    Reply
    • I haven’t used the device since a few weeks after the review (it kept working fine though).

      There’s no current plans for a single-sided P1, because honestly they can’t keep up with demand for it as a dual-sided system.

      Reply
    • Mark

      Ray,

      Thanks for the uber speedy reply! I guess I should also have asked if you had seen anything at CES that would make me want to hold off on a BePro for now – did you see any new (and imminently deliverable) pedal based power meters? I know that LIMITS have their system but without opening that can of worms to far I cannot see that as a realistic proposition in terms of delivery and ultimately customer support.

      If the answer is BePro then it’ll be an email to them to ensure compatibility with the ridiculously bright Empire SLXs I was given by Santa!!

      Thank you!!!

      Reply
    • Nah, nothing new power-wise at CES. For the most part we don’t see new power stuff announced there, rather, at Eurobike/Interbike, and semi-close to Sea Otter (April).

      Reply
    • Mark

      Just an FYI for anyone interested in these. If you want to use the pedal with Giro Empire SLX shoes you will need a 2mm shim between shoe sole and the cleat to ensure the shoe doesn’t foul the powermeter pod. Favero confirm that a 2mm shim or thicker renders the shoe compatible.

      Reply
  64. David Seaton

    Hi Ray,

    Quick one. Any idea on how long it takes before these batteries reach the end of their charging life and then whether at this stage, you can have the internal rechargeable battery replaced? If the answer is not, that could be a major disadvantage!

    Thanks,
    David

    Reply
    • Leendert

      From the FAQ section of the bePRO wesite link to bepro-favero.com

      Can I replace internal battery?

      The internal battery is projected to guarantee the functioning for the entire product life, without the need of replacement. Each battery is individually tested before being assembled to the product. So the answer is no, you can’t replace the battery.

      Which is battery life cycle?

      The Li-Ion battery is projected to guarantee an autonomy equal to 80% of the initial after about 600 cycles of charge/discharge. If you charge the battery once a week, this will happen after more than 10 years of use. During production process, each battery is tested individually.

      Reply
    • David

      Thanks!

      Reply
  65. Leendert

    It works on my Forerunner 920XT; able to set the crank length.

    bePRO Firmware Release 1.010 (05/11/2015):
    – improvements on ANT+ communication
    (set crank length)
    with new Garmin bike computers

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  66. David Das

    Hi Ray,

    So I had a runaround trying to get these but, after a few months I managed to get hold of a pair. They’re great but I have a question – I’ve used them for a few weeks now [probably around 10 rides] and I noticed that both are out of alignment with the stickers. I’ve since done a dynamic calibration, and still get a zero value for the quick calibration, but does it mean I have to re-install them to maintain accuracy?

    Thanks!

    David

    Reply
    • Leendert

      As long as you get a power notice after dynamic calibration, you re good to go. It can compensate for a certain amount of misalignment (page 8 Use and Installation Manual) (link to bepro-favero.com).

      What is static calibration? When should I perform it?

      Static calibration is a procedure common to all power meters and consists in an initial zeroing. We suggest to perform static calibration before each training session or after pedaling for a few minutes so as to adjust the pedals (mechanically and thermally). An incorrect calibration can distort the power readings. Possible mistakes consist in calibration performed with shoes engaged or with crankarms not vertical.
      What is dynamic calibration? When should I perform it?

      Dynamic calibration allows bePRO to precisely check the mechanical alignment of the pedals. It should be performed after each new installation of bePRO on the crank arms and can be periodically repeated to ensure maximum precision.

      Dynamic calibration failed. What should I do?

      We suggest you repeat the procedure to make sure that it is not an isolated error. One of the most frequent causes of failure is an excessively irregular pedal stroke or too far from the nominal 80 RPM.
      If the second attempt also fails, then the bePRO installation angle is incorrect: check that the bePRO line is aligned with the label on the crankarm and if it is not aligned remove bePRO and repeat installation.

      Reply
  67. David Das

    That’s good to know – thanks! Both dynamic and static calibration work fine and I hadn’t noticed any big variation in power, so all is well. Apart from my faintly disappointing power output :-)!

    Reply
    • Leendert

      “Apart from my faintly disappointing power output :-)!”

      buy the book “training and racing with a power meter” by Hunter Allen and Andrew Coggan and start using GoldenCheetah and/or WKO4 and/or the online TrainingPeaks platform including the app. Just read the book and start playing with your power meter; it’s so much fun, even with a disappointing power output, because you will start noticing why it was disappointing or why your legs felt so good that day. Don’t loose yourself in details reading the book, everything will fall into place if you read the book and use the powermeter conjunctively.
      The best advice from the mentioned book is: Use the power meter on and record EVERY ride; also the 1 mile rides.

      Reply
    • Geoff Watson

      Anyone using these with:

      a) Specialized S Works 2015 shoes or
      b) Sidi Wire shoes

      I’m interested in compatability or the need to put a spacer between the shoe and cleat.

      Thanks!

      Reply
    • Geoff Watson

      And I posted that in the wrong place. Sorry

      Reply
  68. Helmut

    You did mention Sigma as header unit but it’s not in the list. Are 2 bePRO pedals working with the Sigma ROX 10? Thanks for the great report and best regards
    Helmut

    Reply
    • Tõnu

      Yes. You get power and cadence from the pedals and can do the static calibration from the ROX.
      What you can’t do, is set the crank arm length in the ROX. I had to connect the pedals to my computer for that.

      I have bePRO pedals and Sigma ROX 10.

      Reply
  69. VD

    Could someone post a side view picture from their pedals. I would like to know how big gap there should be between the lock nut and the pod. I have different size gap on right side than left side. Is that normal? And this is with the updated lock nut (not same in this reviews pictures).

    Reply
  70. Hugh

    Thanks for the detailed review DC!

    Update on wait times. I reserved the BePro S on 2/15 and was told a 90 day wait time, but got my reservation code today! 3 weeks!

    Reply
  71. Richard van Dijk

    Hi Ray, great review and thnx for that.
    I still in doubt between the Bepro and the Powertap P1. The price difference in the EU is driving me towards the Bepro but I still doubt because of regular changing between bikes for short periods.
    Not because installment issues but more on the fact that in the weekend I only do a max of two rides on a bike.
    Is the Bepro than a good option and producing reliable data? (in regards off your remark that they need some settling period).
    Or is the P1 simply a better option for my short use of different bikes.
    Thnx,
    Richard

    Reply
    • If you change bikes often, then I wouldn’t go BePro, I’d go PowerTap P1’s. Both for the installation process, and the settling piece.

      Otherwise, I don’t see too many issues with going with BePro, and continue to get good feedback from folks on them.

      Reply
    • Richard van Dijk

      Thnx Ray.
      I think you are right. It Is a shame it will cost me 450 euro more ?.
      I think the price of the P1 will not drop soon to the level of the BePro’s.

      Reply
    • Unfortunately I wouldn’t expect the P1’s to drop in price anytime soon. Right now they’re running about a 3-5 week backorder for new units. Obviously, we’ve got WatTeam coming onboard and starting to ship – but realistically I expect them to be backordered as well – likely well into the fall.

      So, if demand outstrips supply, prices will stay high for dual-pedal.

      Reply
  72. Matthew Loggie

    I normally would add grease to the pedals during instillation but there is no mention of doing this in the write-up. Would you recommend against putting some grease on the spindle of these pedals? Thanks for your help!

    Reply
  73. JR

    New updater sw and firmware available: link to bepro-favero.com

    bePRO Firmware Release 1.013 (24/02/2016):
    – improvements on radio communication between pedals
    – improvements on power balance calculation
    – improvements on power and cadence measurements in particular situations

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  74. Mark

    Having benefited from Rays review and advice I thought I’d add my early experience with a single sided unit:

    1. Installation is a breeze. Seriously, if you’ve every done any spattering on your bike this is super easy. Just be careful not to cross thread but thats true of any pedal. The instructions are very clear. I have recently changed the crankset on my bike and the pedal switch to the new cranks took maybe 5 mins.

    2. Software works well but I couldn’t find a Mac compatible version.

    3. Static and dynamic calibration is easy and the power output matches a lab test I had done (which was done on an SRM machine).

    4. I’ve not noticed any significant wear to the pedal body over the last months use (about 4.5 hours/week) but so far this has been indoors on my turbo bike.

    5. I do wish Favero were more generous with the number of stickers that come with the pedals. I have 3 bikes that I plan to shift them between over the season and replacement stickers are ££. I have tried to reuse a sticker with some double sided tape but this was a bit suboptimal!

    Reply
    • Leendert

      Mark,

      I have putted a line with waterproof marker on the crack, using the installation tool with a home made template.

      Reply
  75. Lukman Nurhakim

    Just got my Bepros a week ago.
    They work wonderfully.
    BUT, like any other keos pedal platform, mine is starting to CREAK! Argh! Its the same pedal plate contact creaking and its driving me insane. A bit of grease or lub on the pedal plate might do the trick, but since when do you ever need to lube a Dura Ace pedal?!

    Argh!

    Just so that anyone plans to but the Bepros, thia is something you should factor in. Creak, creak, creak.

    Reply
  76. nenad

    Hello Ray,

    What will be your recommendation for me, Garmin Vector 2S Pedal Set or bePro S Single Side Power Pedals? BePro is 150$ cheeper than Garmin, so whether it is worth saving the BEPRO. I will use it with only one bike.

    Reply
    • I don’t see a huge different when you’re talking single-sided, so I’d probably save the money.

      Reply
    • nenad

      Thanks your advice. I’ve just ordered the Vector 2s because it was in stock. I used the Clever Training site, hopefully you get your commission.

      Reply
    • Awesome – thanks for the support!

      Reply
  77. Ben

    Hi all,

    i just got my BePro last week. i did some ride (external and HT) and i have a question.

    When i m on my Htrainer (Tacx Satori Smart), i have something strange.

    Satori is providing the power, so i can compare Bepro and Satori.

    under 200W both are align
    from 200W to 300W i have +/- 20W of difference
    same over 300W

    do you have some issue with Bepro giving low value ?

    Maybe Taxc Satori is providing wrong data but i can’t believed that i have such difficulty to stay over 300W :(

    tks

    Reply
    • Krzysztof Kajetanowicz

      AFAIK the Satori’s power output is based on an algorithm, as with every low-to-medium-priced smart trainer. It’s not a power measurement per se. The Satori only knows your wheel speed and the resistance applied, after all. In this context a < 7% difference between a genuine power meter reading based on a strain gauge and an algo doesn't seem high at all.

      To have a trainer that directly measures power you'd need to spend at least $1,200 on a direct-drive trainer with a strain gauge, I think.

      Reply
    • Leendert

      Ben,

      It could be the following issue.

      link to home.trainingpeaks.com

      Leendert

      Reply
    • ben

      interesting thanks. i will do more test

      Reply
    • Note that the Satori (like most trainers) really needs to be calibrated each ride to be accurate. Especially about 10-15 mins in, after it’s warmed up.

      Reply
    • Benjamin

      So i follow your recommendation:

      calibration of Bepro ( static & dynamic)
      Calibration of Tacx before the session and after 15mn.

      result power data are now very close !!! less than 5W of difference over 300W :)

      thanks for your help

      Reply
  78. David Das

    My BePro’s [dual-sided] read approx 20 watts above my Cycleops Fluid 2 trainer, and riding with others with various power meters last week on a training camp, this seems in line with theirs.

    Just a couple other observations from the last 3 months’ of usage:

    – I’ve just left the stickers on the cranks, so it’s dead easy to install and you don’t need to use any other tools bar a standard allen wrench and their pedal spanner. That’s all I took with me to Tenerife last week. 2 minutes to install each pedal, for 60% of the price of P1’s. And they’re lighter by around 120-150g

    – I’ve used them in crappy weather here in the UK, on the turbo, and in glorious sunshine. They work every time and there is absolutely no wear on them [although the cleats are beginning to get a little worn]. I’ve got a pair of standard Look cleats to switch over, but as yet haven’t tried them so not sure if they will fit as perfectly.

    – They occasionally lose ant+ connection with my Garmin 810 [although Trainerroad still picks up the signal when this happens]. I’ve yet to update to the latest firmware release but will be doing so soon!

    – Battery life seems about right – 25-30 hours

    – They do shift a little bit after riding, but they’ve calibrated every single time with the Garmin, so it’s consistent

    – I’ve had no creaking

    In short, I love ’em!

    Reply
    • Ben

      Thanks for your feedback :)

      i will continue to investigate and push more on my pedals :)

      Reply
  79. LBR

    I wasn’t sure I understood the comments about shoes and the sensor. Are people saying that there is a problem that the show hits the sensor and therefore is uncomfortable or adjustments have to be made to the cleats to accommodate?

    i.e. are the pedals too close to the crank?

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  80. Geoff Watson

    The size of the ‘pod’ means that shoes with a flat sole (across their width) may touch the pod when clipped in. That’s a big no according to Favero’s instructions. I have Specialized SWorks and have had to put a 2mm spacer under my cleats so the shoe doesn’t touch the pod. I also have a pair of Sidis and they have plenty of clearance without need for a spacer. If you mail Favero they’ll advise if your particular shoes may be an issue. Don’t let it out you off though – the pedals are really good value and work a treat.

    Reply
  81. LBR

    Geoff

    Thanks. What sort of spacer did you use or mean?

    Reply
  82. Geoff Watson

    They are actually 3mm, not 2mm. They are ‘leg length shims’ from bikefit.com.

    Reply
  83. Moritz Haager

    hey Ray,
    Did you ever get an answer to the question i posed here earlier as to why there is a settle in period for all the pedal power meters except the P1s when switching between bikes? Is it a hardware or software issue?
    Thanks

    Reply
    • From what I’m hearing, it’s mostly algorithms that take into account slight shifts of the hardware.

      Reply
    • Moritz Haager

      Thanks Ray. Given that information, have you or any other owners noted whether there has been an improvement in there drift when moving the pedals between different bikes with updated firmware?

      Reply
    • I haven’t used them since the review, as they were sent back to Favero (per usual on products I test). However, maybe others can comment.

      Sorry!

      Reply
  84. chris

    With the part you were talking about the battery drainage when you were transporting the bike, I have found on the firmware updating software that you can get the pedals to enter “shipping mode” that puts them into low power consumption mode.

    The software is on their website here: link to bepro-favero.com

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  85. David

    All, how do you find the pedal spindle thread depth into your crank arm?

    Mine are installed to campy record 2013 (one from latest version) and the spindle does not go as far into the crank thread as my Looks did.

    See attached. I was meticulous during install, I found that at the tightening stage I had to undo the pedal circa 90% of a turn to line the pods and stickers up, prior to engaging the lock ring.

    Reply
    • JL van Nieuwenhuijzen

      David,

      encountered the same on my bikes (the 90% turn I mean for one of the peddles, as well as the thread depth on both my Ultegra en Sram Red crank); no problems what so ever for 2500 km per pair so far. That includes the 50 km of cobbles of Paris Roubaix; though my power and weight are not that high: 1350 Watt max en peak 5 sec around 1200 Watt and 70 kg weight.

      Leendert

      Reply
    • Chris

      David,

      I have mine installed on Campy Chorus carbon cranks but have found no issues with them over the two months that I’ve had them.

      I live in London and ride out regularly to the North Downs in the Kent/Surrey area, so they are going up hills with an 85kg man stamping inelegantly on them!

      Reply
  86. Ron Bott

    The CleverTraining site shows the single side pedals as “Manufacturer Backorder”. Anyone have any knowledge about an average wait time?

    Reply
    • David Seaton

      See my comment way further down below….!

      Reply
  87. Chris

    Looking to go low budget. Do you think the one sided option would be as good an investment as the double sided?

    Reply
    • Chris

      You’re going to be paying €450 the cost of both for the single sided option. Then when you later decide to get the second pedal, you’ll be paying that same amount again rather than one hit of €750 for both.

      Reply
    • Chris

      Does having both really give you THAT much more advantage than just having the one?
      I.e. What are the pros and cons of one vs two sides?
      This info should do wonders in making up my mind…
      Thanks in advance

      Reply
    • Chris

      I suppose it all comes down to data. How much data do you want?

      Are you ok with data only from the left or right leg, or do you want data from both legs? If from both then the economics tell you that its €150 cheaper to go for both at once.

      Reply
    • Lukman Nurhakim

      I have 55%-45% L-R pedal balance and that makes a difference between a true 280+W FTP compared to a false 310W FTP reading by a leg sided power meter.

      Reply
  88. Seb

    Hey Guys,
    I’ve been reading the comments about the firmware and crank length and upgrades.
    I’d like to share what happened on my side.
    I own a Garmin Edge 520, update to the last 5.30 FW
    I managed to upgrade the pedals FW to 1.013

    My issue is that it seems I can’t set the crank to 170mm. At least the setting can’t seem to stick to the pedals.
    I can change le length from the bepro FW app and the app says the setting was applied but once I turn my edge on, do a static calibration it goes back to default 172.5mm.
    Also I never managed to change length from the garmin itself, I go tho the menu, enter the length, then approve and the edge displays an all empty screen.

    I’ve been exchange several emails with Favero’s support but no luck so far and the guy seems lost for the least.

    I don’t know if some of you had the same issue with crank length but I’d advice anyone who uses something else than 172.5mm cranks to stay away from the bepro.

    Reply
    • JR

      Never had any problems setting crank length to 170. bePRO’s software and edge 520 both works.

      I advice anyone who uses something else than 172.5mm cranks to get bepro’s and enjoy.

      Reply
    • Seb

      Hey JR;
      I’m happy to read it works for you, could you please tell me which FW you use on Edge and Bepro?

      Reply
    • JR

      5.30 on Edge and 1.013 on bePRO

      Reply
    • seb

      I just factory reseted the Edge but it didn’t change anything and I still get this empty screen after entering the length.
      Anyway, JR thanks for taking time to reply

      Reply
    • JR

      It seems there is a bug in firmware 5.3. You are not the only one according to Garmin forums and it’s been reported to Garmin. I tried on my device and it indeed gives blank screen when trying to edit the crank length.

      I edited it when I had earlier version so that’s why it’s right for me with this newer firmware also.

      Unfortunately Edge overrides the crank length which is set by bePRO’s software.
      You could downgrade your edge to 5.2 or wait for new update.

      And this has nothing to do with bePRO, bug is with every power meter which needs to crank length to be set.

      Reply
    • JR

      And if you want to downgrade to 5.2 here’s how:

      1. Go to link to gawisp.com and download Edge520_520.gcd
      2. Plug in Edge to your computer and copy downloaded Edge520_520.gcd inside Garmin/ folder on the device and rename it to GUPDATE.GCD
      3. Disconnect edge from computer and turn it on, it will give a warning stating you have a more recent firmware installed, but ignore it and install the 5.2 version.
      4. Done

      Reply
    • seb

      I followed the downgrade procedure and it worked fine.
      then I was able to change the crank length.

      Thanks a lot for your help.

      Reply
  89. Lukman Nurhakim

    Hi Ray,

    Pls pls pls push for Bepros to have the spindle hack for Ultegra pedals, just like the Vectors 😀

    Reply
  90. Thomas

    Does anyone have experience switching from Shimano SPD SL til Look cleats?

    I am reluctant to buy the BePRO since I have heard that the Look pedal system is not nearly as good as the SPD SL. I have heard that especially the Look cleats wear out much faster than the Shimano SPD SL cleats!

    Any experience?

    /Thomas

    Reply
    • I actually made the switch a few years ago. I’d agree that you go through cleats faster on Look cleats than Shimano SPD’s, but at the same time, we’re talking about something that only costs about $10-15, so even if you had to replace once per year, that’s about 3-5 gel packets. :)

      Reply
    • Thomas

      Thanks mr. DC :-)

      Which would you recommend? Sounds like replacing the cleats is not an argument for not switching to Look.

      BR,
      Thomas

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    • There’s a lot more options today for Look KEO pedal power meters than Shimano SPD’s. By the same token, I wouldn’t really let the pedal type (between these two) drive your decision. I didn’t find any real differences when switching.

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    • Lukman Nurhakim

      Actually the Keo pedals tend to SQUEK and can drive you crazy. The squek comes from the cleat and pedal metal plate contact.

      SPD SL never have this problem and doesnt require you to grease that contact to avoid squeking.

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  91. Thomas

    Thanks for answering.

    Guess I will move on and try the BePRO!

    Thanks,
    Thomas

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    • Chris

      You going for the one or two sided? And if I may ask, why?

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    • Thomas

      Sorry for the late reply!

      I will go for the 2-sided. Why? Hhmm – I haven’t really considered going with the one-sided version. I think the difference of €250 will make up for the extra data from having a left/right sided version. Guess I am curious how my balance is and then I am probably just a techy kinda guy who thinks the more data available makes more fun :-)

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  92. JL van Nieuwenhuijzen

    link to buy.bepro-favero.com

    I use Dom’s inner tube solution, but its nice anyway.

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  93. Ivar Koster

    I have the Bepro for a couple of weeks. I have ridden approx. 20 times. Everything worked fine except for two times where I had problems linking the BePro with my Garmin. It just couldn’t connect.

    One time it was during a training, which wasn’t too much of a deal. Waited a couple of minutes, rebooted the Garmin and then it was there again.

    Second time it was more frustrating. This was my first-ever time trial. While waiting my turn the Garmin shutdown automatically because I was idling for too long. I was able to startup the Garmin 10 seconds before the start. Then it couldn’t find the BePro anymore. I tried to restart my ride a couple of times (loosing time and data) but could not connect to the Bepro.

    I’m not sure if this is a known issue? I’m also not sure if this is a Garmin Edge problem or a Bepro.

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    • Krzysztof Kajetanowicz

      Hey Ivar, I may sound like Captain Obvious but just to be sure – you did wake up the bePRO?

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    • Ivar Koster

      As far as I know is moving the pedals is enough to wake them up.

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  94. ben

    Hello All,

    here my comments regarding my Dual bepro.
    i bought them mid of March and from that i did +/- 1 000km with bepro. (training, full week of training with my club and triathlon). i use the Bepro with a 520 from Garmin

    as it is my first power meter at the beginning i was not really sure about measures … and i was not able to compare and to be sure that figures were accurate …
    after 2, 3 rides time understand how to calibrate properly, mount properly pedals on the bike … all was OK and now i trust my Bepro @ 100%. i had a change to compare with an other friends using P1 and value are really the same. so perfect.

    regarding the batteries, nothing special all is ok. on the garmin 520 you can see the power level( full, middle …) so you know when you need to plug them.

    regarding calibration, since last 2 rides all was perfect. but from few weeks the weather in paris is cold and i think that the temperature variation from my flat and outside is making trouble during beginning of the session.
    So after 10mn of ride if figures are strange i do a dynamic calibration and all is ok after that.

    link between my Garmin 520 and Bepro is perfect no cut …

    during a my triathlon, i setup the garmin without automatic shutdown, and i did Bepro calibration before the swim :)
    like that when i take my bike all is ready, i just need to pedal and Bepro turn ON and BASTA !!!

    until today i m really happy with my bepro :)

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  95. peroni

    Very happy so far with Bepro S.

    From my experience a dynamic calibration is in order every 2-3 weeks to keep a high accuracy. It’s an easy and quick process.

    I often forget to charge the battery but I went on for nearly three hours since the battery low message and power was still working. Edge 500.

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  96. Quentn

    I’m using the bePro now for two weaks and I’m having terrible issues with the power output, which is consistently too low. Especially at high cadence. First I had issues with the crank length, it resetted itself always to the minimum value (144,5 mm), which I noticed when I connected it to the software. But even now this is solved (if I connect it to the software the normal value of 172,5mm is visible in the parameters), it still returns way too low values. For example: 150 Watt average power in a roadrace of 700 altimeters, 41,5km/h avg.. I really dont know what the problem is here. I am using a garmin fenix 3 and I always set the cranklength at the beginning of the ride on my garmin.

    On the other hand, sometimes it returns normal values on training, I think. (180 Watt avg on a 30km/h ride)

    Does anyone has the same issue? Kinda desperate

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    • JR

      Just to be sure a few questions.
      Do you do static calibration with Garmin before every ride?
      Have you done dynamic calibration (backward pedaling for 10 rounds, then 80rpm for about 30sec)?

      If both yes then I would try to reseat the pedals and make sure they are tight enough, couple sprints and dynamic calibration.

      Are you sure you have right amount washers between crank and pedal?

      Have you contacted bePRO support, they are really helpful and nice.

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    • Quentn

      Thank you for the quick response!
      I performed approx 30 succesful static calibrations (almost every ride), also did the dynamic calibration succesfully. Above that I performed the static torque test two times als successfully.
      I’m using a Sram Force crank and I placed two washers at both sides (to be sure).
      Shoe does not make contact with the sensor.

      The odd thing is that it works properly on training (mostly, although values are still a little bit low compared to other riders) but during races the results don’t make sense at all. The only difference between racing and training is that my cadence is higher during races: 85-90 during racing compared to 75-80 on training.

      I contacted bePro a couple of times, but they weren’t able to supply me with any solution.

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    • Quentn

      To be complete: It concerns the bePro S.

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    • JR

      You should ask from bepro support that if you really need two washers. Looks to me that you need only one per side, but I have never seen those cranks live so can’t be sure.

      You need to do the static calibration before every ride, and if the temperature changes a lot then you should do it again after a about 10min of riding again (if the outside temp is something like less 10c and you are holding the bike inside).

      What is static torque test? Never heard of it.

      Try with one washer and go for a ride, it won’t break anything. Analyze the result.
      Remember the dynamic calibration.

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    • Quentn

      Thanks again for the reply.

      Static torque test is a procedure where you need to hang a known mass between 5 and 10kg on the pedal and read out the static calibration value on your bike computer when you move the pedal. It is to be sure that the measured force is a correct.

      Repeating a static calibration 10 minutes in a race is a bit harsh.. :p

      However, I will remount the pedal with one washer and see what it does, but I doubt it will improve..
      I already asked bePro for a possible warranty.

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    • JR

      Where did you get the values for the torque test?

      Obviously you should do the calibration during warmup and not in the middle of the race.

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    • Quentn

      You read the static torque values from the static calibration, with that number you can set a correction factor in the parameters.

      I remounted the pedal today and still, at high cadence the power just drops… It has to do with the cadence.

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  97. seb

    Thx for the good review, I changed my choice (was Vector) to the Bepros …. I used clevertraining.com for buying, all the best from Germany!

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    • Jochen M.

      Hello Seb,
      as I live also in Gemany but didn’t have the courage to order my bePros via Clevertraining – can you please describe when you recieve the pedals what you had to pay for the duties and how long the shipping lasted?
      I ordered mine at powermetershop.de (sorry Ray, you’d need a shop in Europe to work with them together) – they were one week “on the road” before I received them today.
      Thanks in advance
      Jochen

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    • Thanks for the support Seb!

      And thanks for the attempt Jochen (and for being a DCR Supporter)!

      There is Clever Training Europe, but the bePro units aren’t quite in stock there yet. It’s on the short-list to get them listed an up.

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    • David Seaton

      I ordered mine from powermeter24.de. However, in saying that I ordered them at the end of January and they still haven’t arrived! However, at least 2.5 months (or more) of that was BePro themselves as they were on back order. Apparently they’ve arrived in Australia but they don’t send registered post so you can’t track your parcel’s location. The reason I bought from them was they recognised the fact that the product was being shipped internationally and so I didn’t have to pay VAT/GST – so that was another 19% off and it comes in at under $1000 AUD so no import duties or taxes (to be confirmed upon arrival in case customs play funny buggers!). This is for the dual sided BePros.

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    • Nikki Metcalfe

      I ordered from Powermeter 24 on 11th March got to early part this month they were still not in stock, requested a refund and ordered from Bikefast also in Germany received within 4 days, refund received from Powermeter 24 too, I’m happy now

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  98. Greg

    Does anyone using bePro power meter in version for two legs with Fenix 3? Currently I’m using this set, but I’ve noticed some issue with L/R pedal smoothness metrics. In GC this parameter is presented as number, but in external software like Golden Cheetah I see on chart that this metric has zero values for both legs for few kilometers, then values looks OK, and after next few kilometers drops again to zeros. During whole activity other metrics looks OK. Did anyone notice similar problem?

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  99. Ivar

    During a criterium/race I accidentally scraped the pedals on the ground because i started pedaling too soon in the corners. The pedals are slight damaged. This isn’t a real problem for me, but I do have concerns about the impact of the meter.
    Will this influence the accuracy? And how do I tell? As far I can tell I don’t noticed any weird readings, but I’m not sure how to check this.

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  100. Wojtek

    Charging before installing?
    Guys (BePro owners) – do you think, there is any reason why “recharge completely” is after “install” in the installation instruction? Can I charge the pedals in advance? I am sitting for the next 7 hours @work, so it might be good idea to charge my newly arrived pedals. Any reason not to do it?

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    • Ben

      In my mind no problem to charge before the installation.

      I have the bepro (2 sides) and for me it should be equal to charge before or after installation.

      Ben

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    • David Seaton

      Mate, when mine arrived they were fully charged. Have you checked that they are not fully charged already?

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    • David Seaton

      But as Ben says, there is no logical reason for this. I think it’s too literal. You can charge before or after, shouldn’t matter,

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    • Wojtek

      Actually I don’t know. I will return home around 7 p.m. and I would like to install and try it immediately. Right now in the package they seem to be totally of. I believe, I need to connect it anyway to activate. And the instruction says in the 4th bullet to recharge completely…

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    • Jochen M.

      When you unbox the bePros, they are in a shipping mode. The loading then wakes them up – that’s the simple reason for the chronological order for the mounting process. After the loading step they are “awake”, everey movements starts their “action mode”.

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  101. Nikki Metcalfe

    I’ve just installed the BePro which I found easy to do, completed the Dynamic Calibration whist on the Turbo, I then did warm up which seemed fine power was L/R 49/51 which is what I would expect to see, however my first ride on the road after a successful normal calibration 0 showed my power as L/R 95/5 , I don’t know where to start to correct this, any help gratefully appreciated

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  102. Ben

    2 thinks

    Did you check that the pedal is again in the correct alignment ?
    Did you change the clips under your shoes ?

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    • Nikki Metcalfe

      Yes, checked both pedals are aligned correct and yes I changed the cleats to the ones that came in the box.

      Will re calibrate tonight and try again

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    • nikki metcalfe

      So when I double checked everything it turns out the right was not aligned properly, so i have adjusted it and its all working fine now

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  103. wojtek

    Guys, and what you did with cadence sensor? Have you had any? I have GSC-10 installed and I would like to leave it on the bike for speed and distance purposes (especially for the trainer during winter) It has however also cadence sensor. bePRO suggest to remove it or disable it. But it seems not to be possible to disable just cadence from GSC-10 on a 920xt…

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    • Chris

      Havnt bought my Bepros yet, in fact im not even sure if want the one or two sided set yet, but I was wondering the exact same thing….

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    • You can simply leave it on. It’s better that way, as there are oddities sometimes if you have a combo sensor and one of the values is zero.

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  104. Mark B

    Hi Ray,

    Bit of a specific question. I’ve been using my BeProS for some while now just fine – ant+ dongle to computer and with a Mio Cyclo 505. The latter has just had a software update and now won’t display power from the BePro although it does show the cadence (which is accurate). Power stays at 0. The BePro works with a mates Garmin 520 and still with my computer. The5kruneners dual BePros work with his updated Mio 505.

    Does this sort of thing happen with this tech? (sadly I suspect the answer is yes!). Any ideas given your wealth of experience? If I end up having to replace the Mio I think I’d have to go to the Wahoo Elemnt as it balances cost/features/mapping…

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  105. Jochen M.

    I’m using the bePros with an Edge 1000 and a Suunto Ambit2. The crank length (180 mm) is set via the Edge, and it is visible in the Favero-Windows-tool. The power values in the watch are much higher (about factor 1.5) than the ones in the Edge – is there any possibility to make something wrong or even to make a setting in the Suunto?

    Btw, I tinkered a bit to protect the electronics – if I succeed adding two pictures you can see my tube guard and my shoes.

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    • Jochen M.

      … and the shoe

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    • Colin Smith

      The shoe in the image posted by Jochen M. looks like it has a big chunk missing out of it?

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    • Jochen got hungry mid-way through the ride…just took a bit for a snack.

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    • Jochen M.

      It’s difficult to see – sorry for the bad photo: I just removed 2 mm in depth to improve the clearence between shoe and electronics on my old training shoes (no problems with my racing shoes: there is enough space).

      I didn’t like to follow Favero’s instructions with the shim as this costs money, I had no time (holiday trip “ante portas”) and to enlarge the distance between foot and shaft is also not perfect (seat post alignment for every shoe change).

      Ray – I fear my teeth are not strong enough for that work. With a Dremel it’s a piece of cake – and I prefer chocolate for myself…

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    • Colin Smith

      Thanks for the feedback. I did not fancy taking chunks out of my S-Works shoes, but a bit more research reveals I should be OK. And will press the Buy It Now button on Friday.

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    • Geoff Watson

      My S-Works shoes could touch the ‘pod’ of the pedals when pushing hard. I had to fit a spacer. Favero confirmed to me the S-Works are not compatible otherwise.

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    • Colin Smith

      Thanks Geoff. I completely misread your earlier post. So that is a pair of Bepros, one pair of 2mm spacers and170mm cranks. (I was buying a new chainset anyway)
      .

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  106. Geoff Watson

    I actually used 3mm spacers but 2mm would be enough with S-Works shoes (2015 version)

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  107. Mark

    So I had been having difficulty getting my BeProS to talk to my computer (Mio 505). I used to get cadence and power then both units had upgrades and I got cadence only.
    After much faffing I found that the powermeter was sending data fine but the computer wasn’t able to read it despinte reading other powermeter data. I contacted Favero…

    ..THEY WROTE SPECIFIC SOFTWARE TO MAKE MY UNITS TALK. AMAZING.

    Seriously their customer service totally rocks. They said they will tweak the software for the next release but just made me a custom firmware in the interim. Anyway, that’s the sort of thing that people reading this thread and considering buying one of these needs to know.

    #superhappy

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    • Colin Smith

      Cleats issue solved. Looking forward to using these pedals in place of my Quarq Riken. I have an issue with my Quarq which Quarq UK don’t accept, so going to send it back with a do not return until you tell me it is fixed or they send me a new unit.

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  108. Simon

    The bePRO looks like a good alternative for a pedal based power meter, is it available in USA?

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    • Peter

      I had the same question. I didn’t want to buy directly in Italy and deal with international shipping fees and customs. I only found very few shops in the US that have bePro. I got mine here: http://www.wattattack.com. Seems to be a fairly new shop, but everything went smooth and the customer service was pretty good. To find all the shops in the US, just google it.

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    • Well, I’d argue the best option for getting the bePro unit in the US is using Clever Training. 😉 – link to clevertraining.com

      The link on the sidebar gets you straight in, plus you’ll save 10% using the DCR coupon code DCR10MHD. And there’s free shipping, not to mention (most importantly), that it supports the site here. The downside is that it’s currently backordered. I’ll try and find out how long.

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    • Simon

      Thanks for all the info. Too bad they are out of stock. I didn’t want to wait so I ended up buying at Wattattack. They have both, the bePRO and bePRO S in stock and when I told them about the discount you mentioned, they matched the price. Shipping was free also. For the first installation I had to rely on the manual, but the bePRO seem to work good so far. I am pretty happy overall

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  109. Can I ask if anyone has tried validating against a well known lab based ergometers when in hyperbolic mode (i.e. power independent of cadence). I tried the Vector S and found it completely unreliable at different power outputs and cadences in the range of 100-300W. I cycled for 2mins in each interval @ 100,150,200,250,300 @ 75-95rpm. I found % error to vary from around 50% @ low powers to around 15% @ higher powers. The problem was that I couldnt apply a correction or bias to the readings because they were so variable.
    Pedals were connected via a torque wrench (35nm) and a crowfoot adapter also to make sure no slipping.
    Has anyone tried this before and think of a very good reason this method is not a good one? Also have you done anything similar with the bePRO? Often manufacturers will say it doesnt have to be accurate just reproducible – but it you have your numbers set from a lab test and use other power meters on stationary trainers such as the wattbike you kinda need to have excellent accuracy – especially when they quote +/- 2% accuracy.
    I feel manufacturers should release devices to independent labs for verification and also publish the methods they used to test accuracy? What do you think?

    thanks

    alan

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    • I think you’re mixing up accuracy testing using standard usage with trying to use in a specialized mode on a specialized lab machine.

      Companies don’t test against hyperbolic modes, because honestly nobody uses them with other power meters (since those units already have PM’s built into them). To put a finer point on that, you’re the first person ever to ask about it (on any unit I’ve ever tested).

      That said, I do (as do many companies) agree that general accuracy testing should be more formalized among companies.

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    • I can see your point of view but the lab based m/c had already being calibrated via gold standard in the lab – so we knew power data was valid and reliable. The problem lies when you have a lab based test to set power zones and then your power meter is no where near these readings – 30-40W out is too much even if your FTP is 400W and especially if your FTP is around 250W. I am still investigating the issue and will post more information and data on your forum at a later date.

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    • Power is power no matter what mode is being used. When ergometer says it is XXX watts and PM says it is YYY watts and the difference is 50% something is wrong. Assuming it is not an ergometer (I think they are called ergometewrs for a reason) It seems to me that you are implying that accuracy of PM (pedal based in particular) is dependent on pedaling/usage pattern and that should not be the case.

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    • Totally agree – equally if the bias changes over different usage it renders the PM useless. I was hoping to hear from manufacturers of ergometers (i.e. Lode for example) that may come up with a logical reason why my methods were flawed – so will be contacting both garmin and Lode over the next few weeks. The only issue I see is it was a vector S but im sure my left/right balance is not that bad.
      If I get hold of a pair of bePRO’s I would like to run the same test procedure.
      Recently James Hopker replaced the cranks on a Wattbike with SRM cranks and did a reliability study – it came out quite favourable overall. These are the sort of studies that should be done to validate manufacturers PM’s. They used a calibrater and used well trained and moderately trained cyclists in the study to check for differences in power depending on pedal stroke fluency.

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  110. Mal James

    I ordered Bepro dual pedals back in January, got to say the delivery was very slow. After 3-4 emails and a request to cancel my order they arrived the beginning of May.
    Am I happy with them? Yes I am. I have never cycled with power and still learning, however, they were relatively easy to install/calibrate etc. I read that shoes could rub on the pods, I checked this on installation and yes they do. I have Specilized Comp shoes and because I was keen to use them straight away I made a set of shims out of an old number plate, using the Bepro cleats as a stencil. Seems to be ok with no known issues.
    Performance, like I said its all new to be, but the information is fantastic, I can monitor my balance, cycle to a % of my FTP effectively making improvements instead of HR and blowing out of my arse! I can see how effective my workouts are and see improvements in my fitness and power. Overall, these are a good product and a fantastic price compared to others on the market, read all the reviews and this will assist in your installation and limit any known issues.
    Negative side, just the time it took for me to receive my order, they said 6-8weeks and it took just over 12! But by complaining and requesting to cancel they also sent me a set of cleats, plus 10% off my order price.

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  111. Robert

    Great review. I have been looking for pedal based PM for months now, and still have not decides. bePRO is my favourite, due to the lower price.

    But I have a problem regarding future pedal based PM. Is there any PM announced that would be for SPD Pedals / MTB shoes/cleats?

    I have all my shoes an SPD cleats, and on both road bikes MTB pedals (for road bike), so when I am not on my bike, I can walk like a human being :) (when I stop for a coffee, or water supply).

    If I buy this pedal based PM, I also have to buy new road shoes. And not just one, but three (winter, summer, and between).

    Although there are different sorts of PM (crank, body, …) I still prefer to have pedal based PM, so I can easily change between bikes, and they can be both sided measurements.

    Any ideas, suggestion?

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    • Márcio Coragem

      the only solution for your case is to use an Look to SPD adapter.
      Google it and you will find some info.

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    • Robert

      Thanks. I did not even know that is possible.

      But anywhere I look, I only see reverse option, from SPD-SL (Look) to SPD.
      Does SPD to SPD-SL (or Look) even exist?
      And in that case I supose the saddle must go up a bit, right?

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  112. Lukman Nurhakim Noordin

    I am speculating that Bepro will come out with a spindle adapter that can be used on Ultegra pedals… Just like what Garmin did with their Vector2

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    • Colin Smith

      Fitted and set up pedals on Sunday. Short ride Monday to work. Power seemed low against RPE. first thing I noticed was left leg % was around 5% less than right, or at least when I looked at my Garmin. not unconcerned. Get home, no internet connection. So unable to analyse. Next evening, club 10. Battery low light comes on. Mmmm.., I charged the units for 6 hours and checked fully charged by unplugging and plugging in charger lead on Sunday evening.

      So, rode the 10, power down by 25-30w @ HR FTP. A bad day at the office? My time was 30s less than the last 10 I rode. Looking at the data at home,and spot checking the right leg, this was roughly around 160W, left leg 260W. But L-R was showing as an extreme L-45% R-55%.

      Something not right, ‘weak’ left leg, shows up on TP as right leg to add to what appears to be inconsistent data. I have now sent a couple of FIT files to the shop I purchased from, for them to consider and awaiting a reply. To add to the fun, this morning on start up I could not get Garmin to find the sensors. I gave up, and rode for 10 minutes, then; up popped: Do you want to calibrate? YES/NO.

      All does not seen well in the camp at the moment.

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  113. wojtek

    Battery life – 1 month since purchase, thereof 17h of training – still no recharge needed. Seems fair for me.

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  114. David

    Hi

    Ray notes a bedding in period; in my experience this is correct and will manifest poor power balance results , as you describe. Mine began at 60/40 and now I am 49/50 or 50/50 average over a ride.

    Have you updated the firmware?

    My low battery came on my garmin last night after a dozen rides I think.

    I have some reservations with mine (spindle length into crank pedal threat) but I am v pleased generally. I have no issues with the pod being damaged. I think version 2 could be amazing (if say they could remove need for lock nut and iron out bedding in period)

    David

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  115. Shane

    Hi got new set of bepro in useing a garmin edge 500 cal abating is done and power meater is found but still no power figures coming up on screen ??

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    • Colin Smith

      Shane, I assume from your post you have done the static calibration and got a reading of zero. (if using the Edge 500 and you use a HR monitor either turn it off on Garmin or simply put your HR on). I then assume you jumped on the rollers / turbo and yet you are not seeing any power? Are you seeing cadence? Have you tried pedalling backwards to start the dynamic calibration? Checked you’ve got the correct flashing LEDs? Plugged your pedals in your laptop and set up crank length?

      Beyond that, sorry I haven’t a clue.

      Meanwhile….

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    • Colin Smith

      My pedals need to go back. Right power seriously lagging behind my left. Done all the re-installs, calibrations etc. Disappointed to say the least.

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    • Shane

      Hi Colin got sorted had to plug peddles into laptop never new about that seems to be working now thanks for your help

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    • Colin Smith

      User Error!! It transpires that the left pink W box is the total power and the right pink box is the right pedal power. So all is well. Though I am still a bit concerned about power at endurance and recovery zones, as the numbers just seem a bit low. And secondly, getting the pedals to wake up in the morning. It took 5 minutes yesterday before my Garmin ‘found’ the pedals. Yet this morning, within seconds of the Garmin turning on.

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  116. Shane

    Hi fitted my bepro pedals few days ago and noticed that after a few rides the pods were after moving from the aliment sticker is this normal ??

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    • Yes and no. It’s normal in that you’ll normally see a very tiny bit of movement, but if it’s a fair bit, then that means they weren’t cranked down tight enough earlier on.

      In either case, definitely re-calibrate.

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  117. Chris

    So this is how I save up for any and all cycling related expenses…
    I put 10c away for any and every km I do on my bike. I have now saved €632 for my Bepro pedals. Tonight my wife said that I can order them and she will give me the rest. Only thing is after all those Km’s and hard earned 10c’s I still can’t decide if I should go for the single or double sided meter….. €751 is still a lot of money’s not my book… Now the question is this… How much will I really be losing out on if I just got the single sided as apposed to the double sided meters…. Any serious insight welcomed…
    And thanks in advance :)

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    • David

      There’s quite a few articles about two-sided PM’s on the web – reading them may help. For me, the one metric of left/right balance has been really important, to the extent that it’s made me realise all my niggles and injuries over the past two years have been on my left side [after seeing a L/R imbalance, then lower torque efficiency on my left side], and have now booked a bike-fit conducted by a physiotherapist. Hoping it will be better than the heavily data-focused Retul fit, which I didn’t rate.

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    • wojtek

      Read Ray’s comment #35 in link to dcrainmaker.com
      I asked almost the same question and got precise answer. I bought the double sided version.

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    • Colin Smith

      One of the ‘advantages’ of purchasing pedal, wheel and spider PMs; you gain ‘spare’ components that can be sold, transferred to the winter bike etc. So there is an intrinsic value in that. Can’t do that with left crank PMs, you just end up with a redundant component.

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  118. Florian

    Hi Ray, I’ve had the bePRO (two sided version) for 2 weeks now. After my last 100 km ride I noticed a powerspike going up to about 3500 W (measured balance for this spike: 83% right, 17% left) towards the end of my cycle (see attached picture). I am pretty certain it wasn’t me putting out that much power. I noticed that my Garmin Edge 1000 head-unit recorded a sudden temperature increase of 5°C (13°C->18°C) one minute prior to that spike. Have you experienced power spikes like that with the Bepro or any other powermeters? If so, have you got any explanation why this might happen?

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    • I’ve definitely seen it on other power meters, though determining the cause and who is at fault is usually incredibly difficult. I’d say it’s unlikely that it was temperature. In most cases it’s usually a failure related to an accelerometer data point (cadence). So I usually look to see if something funky happened in cadence in that area. Or, if there was oddities in road conditions.

      In general, if I see something only once (i.e. once in 3-5 months), I wouldn’t fret about it. However, if it’s something happening every day/ride/week/etc, that’s more of a problem and might indicate a defect in the peddle.

      As for how to fix your issue, you can use FitFileTools.com or Golden Cheetah to remove the spike (both free), and then simply delete from Garmin Connect and re-upload the fixed file.

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    • Florian

      Hi Ray,

      Thanks for your quick reply. Cadence seems normal around the power spike. I will monitor the power spike issue. Favero support said they never heard of the described issue. They also said it might be due to radio interference. Funnily enough the power spike occurred just when I cycled passed a commando training centre.

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    • Indeed, could definitely be radio interference. Many cases of that out there (though still rare, but enough to be known).

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    • wojtek

      I had a similar case once. see here: link to s31.postimg.org
      But it was during a triathlon, so I think it was some error caused by jumping on the bike after t1 (with shoes already attached to pedals)

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  119. Chris

    After much research, saving and sleepless nights, I have just clicked the buy-it-now button on the Bepro….

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    • Robert

      I have also done muchn research, and still having sleepless nights in trying to decide if I should buy :)
      Please report if the PM will work well. From where did you purchase? Directly from Italy?

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    • Chrs

      I’m in the Netherlands and got mine from Germany as they promised 2-3 day delivery time and where €2 cheaper to.
      I’ve been following this thread since day one and there have been only good things said about the Bepro … But I’ll post my findings!

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    • David

      I did loads of research and I would have been happy (ish) to spend more on the Powertap pedals, however I decided due to a) Look keo cleat style b) stack height c) weight d) cheaper price. I did not consider Garmin’s ultimately.

      Mine have been on two bikes and subject to the initial 2-3 ride bedding in performed perfectly (with Garmin 800). I use Sidi shoes (43) and there is no issues with rubbing the ‘pod’, my main concern pre-purchase.

      I would prefer a longer spindle (into crank arm) and I wonder if they could in V.2 do away with the lock ring /alignment line (a la powertap)- if they did, surely this would be the best product in the market full stop.

      Take your time with setup and watch the videos on you tube.

      Any questions let me know. Oh I charged and updated firmware before fitting.

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    • Robert

      I am from Slovenia, and would prefered it to buy from Italy directly, so I would probabably receive the best possible support regarding software and hardware if needed. But they have 41 EUR of shipping costs, and this to the neighbour country!!! So If I do not get free shipping, then I will probabably buy from Germany (if I even buy).

      What I am mostly afraid is that my shoes will rubber the sensor pod. Currently I use SPD pedal system, and will move to SPD-SL or that is better said Keo Look system, but I worry about rubbing the sensor pod.

      For changing the pedal system I must purchase new shoes. Mavic shoes are the most interested for me. I have ordered Mavic Ksyrium Haute Route shoes and if that does not work out then Mavic Ksyrium Ultimate II. My shoe size are 46 2/3, or 11,5 UK size. Also because of the big feet I worry about the rubbing of sensor pod.

      Does anybody have Mavic shoes and has problem with rubbing? Or even just big feet and rubbing problem?

      I also have Pronation feet, but I do not know if that influence anything.

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    • Florian

      Hi Robert, I have Mavic Ksyrium Elite II (size 42 2/3) and there is more enough clearance between the shoes and the pods.

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    • Oleg

      David, Any feedback after month of use bePro?
      Why you did not consider Vector?

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    • David

      Oleg

      I have been using since May ’16, first on my training bike and now on my summer bike.

      I am happy with my Bepros. The P1s and Vector 2s were a lot more expensive (c. 900UKP vs less than 600 UKP). The Garmin’s seemed to get very mixed reviews and I did not like the appearance of the pods. The Powertap P1s would have been my second choice (but issues with increased stack, non-Look cleats and weight).

      The Bepros work fine, batteries last ages, they are light and are 100% look keo cleat compatible. I think the cleat release tension adjustment is a little crude compared to my Look Keo 2 Max pedals and I still think the spindle should be longer. Power data seems fine but I only have my Tacx Bushido to compare to. My pods remain unmarked.

      I have no regrets at all. Riding with power as a metric is a revelation.

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    • Oleg

      Hi David, thanks for your opinion. Your good experience with bePro makes me choosing them. I also find Garmin pods ugly, but had to collect more positive bePro long term reports, before I buy them.
      Did you ever had left pedal not transmitting anymore or pedasl loosened? How often you do dynamic calibration?

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    • Davi

      Oleg

      No problems with left peddle. The first time I fitted them there was minor alignment movement, but no loosening, the second time I really did them up hard and there has been no loosening or alignment movement and I spent a week in the Pyrenees with them!

      I had some communication pre purchase with favero and they were excellent (regarding shoe comparability).

      I suspect the P1s are easier to swap bikes and maybe more refined but their cost and other issues lead me to Bepro.

      David

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  120. Ivar Koster

    I also have size 46. With my Sidi ‘s I have no problem getting the 2mm clearer. I have some broader triathlon shoes where I installed a 2mm spacer on. Also no problem with touching the pods.

    I think Favero has a list on their website regarding shoe compatibility.

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    • Robert

      Unfortunatelly I did not found the list of compatibal shoes on their website. I found only clearance information between cleat and sensor pod. Does anybody have a link?

      2mm spacer is a solution but it is over 20 EUR (more than twice the price of cleats!!!) and would not like to buy if not needed. And then I would probably need two sets (other for my winter shoes).

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  121. jared davidavich

    Soliciting some quick advice from any bePro and other PM users:

    Time for a power meter to step up my training. I want L/R data to help with some lengthy ankle pt, and partly because I like data…I suspect my form goes a bit with fatigue and harder efforts, hopefully this helps. The L/R estimate from spindle PMs would probably work, just ok, and there is a lot of positive talk about Quarq and Power2Max, but I am leaning heavily towards the bePro because it seems to offer more in every category (Infocrank also on the radar, but spendy).

    Additional data aside, bePro is a onetime cost, portable, and I get new pedals (not particularly attached to my speedplays anyway). Quarq and P2M would require new cranks and bottom bracket, so total cost is $1100-$1350, and the Infocrank is compatible, but still $1300-$1400 (almost double), less data, and lesser crank arms.

    Really do not want to give up my Praxis bb and cranks (really amazing company and products, check them out), not overly concerned with the pod durability, they pass the Ray consistency and accuracy test, and weight does not matter.

    Anything I am missing here? Any compelling reason to consider one of these other three? (I have already eliminated every other contender for some unforgivable flaw). I appreciate any and all feedback.

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  122. Oleg

    I’m considering between these (found for 729€) and Vector 2(939€) , which gives you Cycling Dynamic data( how can I use it?).
    Which ones would be better and smarter to buy, then? Can somebody advice. This will be my first power meter. And may be I will have to install it on rent bike, when I travel.
    Thanks for great review Ray

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  123. Chris

    Has anyone had an issue with the BePro left pedal not registering? I went for a ride on Monday and halfway through my ride the left pedal stopped working, then, after fiddling with the computer the right stopped to… Been in contact with Favero and they had me do a test where I needed to hang a weight of the pedal with the bike suspended on two chairs while doing a calibration test. You then enter the values into a formula I got a value on the left pedal to be -1 and the right pedal 5,6.

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  124. bas

    Hi, my experience with Bepro in last half year is just bad. I had continuous issues with getting a steady power output. Had to calibrate and reinstall numerous times. Every 2 or 3 rides. Finally the left-pedal sensor broke down, which shouldn’t be possible according to BePro, and they are blaming me for it. Now they are asking EUR 200,- for fixing it, while it should be a guarantee issue. Pfff, worthless.

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    • Colin Smith

      I bought the BePro pedals and TBH I am regretting it. Pedals are reading around 10-15% less than my Quarq. Bepro’s explanation; it is the Quarq that is wrong. Of course it is! Just as wrong as the powertap I had and the Wattbike I sometimes use (using HR FTP as the comparator). Still trying to resolve this one.

      Back to Bas comment. Check out your consumer rights. If you bought these in Europe you are protected by European consumer rights, which in essence means if the pedals are less than 6 months old the onus is on them to prove the fault was caused by you, not the other way around.

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    • Oleg

      I’m looking for pedal based power meter and was choosing between Garmin vector and bePro. Have not heard any bad experience with bePro. Are the so bad as yours? Garmin is 300€ more expensive and has ugly transmitters.

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    • bas koning

      Thx Colin, will give it a try.
      Oleg, for me the big issue is the stability of the Bepro system. Installation on itself is just a ‘trick’ and fairly easy, but if you have to redo it every 2 weeks it’s irritating. Also my bike mechanic couldn’t get it stable. And of course I am hugely dispappointed by their customer service.

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    • Oleg

      Bas, there are not so many people complaining about bePro, but I don’t want to one of them. This makes me thinking about more expensive Vector 2 ( actually there are also miss and hits, besides 200€ higher price)

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  125. Chris

    My left pedal stopped working. I sent them back to Favero even though I didn’t buy directly from them. They replaced the sensor under the warranty and I should have them back by Monday.

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  126. Erwin

    Will the BePRO upgraded to BLE to be compatible with Polar V800?

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  127. Ab

    Bought L/R version in 2016/04 with the O’synce Navi2Coach. Never had any problems and consistent data (3000km). Had to set the crack length (170mm) and Navi2Coach only allows static callibration. In short….happy user.

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    • Colin Smith

      Ab, if you do not perform the dynamic calibration, then you have not completed the set up process. Data might be consistent but you do not know if it is accurate. But if you have nothing to compare it with, then how do you know?

      Copied from above:

      With the dynamic calibration option you’re aiming to correct for any tiny little shifts to how well the pods fit against the crank arm. As some of you know, certain power meters require a bit of settling in, and bePRO is one of those. That means that you want to get in a few rides, with some varied efforts (i.e. short hard sprints) to try and get things all settled.

      What the dynamic calibration does is to recalibrate the pedals based on that. To do a dynamic calibration after backwards pedaling 10 times you’ll start forwards pedaling at an 80RPM cadence.

      You’ll need to continue pedaling at 80RPM (+/- 5RPM) for another 30 seconds, where the bePRO units will continue transmitting your cadence values

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    • Ab

      Hi Colin,
      Thanks for explaining. Indeed I don’t know if my values are accurate. However values when climbing seem correct. The reason to start using a power meter (bePro is my 1st) is to monitor power gain/loss. With the bePro I can work on pedaling skills (balance/efficiency/smootness). The navi2coach doesn’t allow dynamic calibration. However it is reliable and I am fed up with Garmin bugs.
      I wonder what deviation static only calibration has compared to dynamic?

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    • Oleg

      From messages above, I see that Favero support as much reliable, as Garmin.
      But taking in account fact that we buy PM for long time, may be it wise to buy Vector 2 for just 200 Euro more. They me be also upgraded in a future to Vector 3( though don’t know what can be new). So divide 200Euro to 5 years Garmin may be better choice, than bePro.

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    • Chris

      I can’t imagine Garmin being even remotely as supportive as favero… Favero even gone as far as writing software especially for one person who’s computer did not support Bepro… Can’t see Garmin doing that… How often with bugs on Garmin computer you can’t even reach them and trying to talk to them via support forum is like talking to a wall… Garmin support is useless… And I’ve had to deal with both gar,in and favero first hand…

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    • I’d say it’s probably a wash.

      The Garmin Vector team is well known as one of the most responsive teams out there (even on the forums actually, unlike other teams on the forums). And my guess is that the reason bePRO had to write custom software, was because they didn’t think of that edge case- which more than likely Garmin would have covered due to normal software compatibility practices.

      That said, as readers know – I’m definitely not a fan of purchasing Vectors at these prices, so…fwiw.

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    • Oleg

      Ray, even if Vector 2 is just 200 Euro over bePro?
      What would be your choice then?

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    • Jochen M.

      Hi Ab,
      why do you think navi2coach is not able to do the dynamic calibration? This is – as far as I understand – a function of the bePros. Just as Colin described it (and it’s written in the instruction, too).

      Once I had a problem with the dynamic calibration when I couldn’t ride long enough with the 80 rpm in the traffic but I could rerun. This was the only time I was cursing about because in this case no power was transmitted to my garmin.But a new try solved the problem.

      In the bePro Software you can read out how many times the static and the dynamic calibration were done. Give it a try!

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    • JR

      That is correct Jochen. You can even do dynamic calibration without head unit.

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    • Wojtek

      Don’t get it. How do you want to upgrade Vector 2->3? If garmin starts selling Vector 3, it will stop updating v2 (or they will stop updating even earlier, as they already did with 920xt). So the only way to “upgrade” to v3 is to buy Vector 3. So if you spare 200€ on buying bepros instead of v2, you will have already 200€ towards upgrade…

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    • Oleg

      Well, updat e from Vector 1 to V2 was just by replacing pods. It could be same with V3.
      You may think about saving 200Eu for upgrade, only if you intend to change your PM soon. I would lke to keep it as long as it lives, that’s why I’m looking which one works longer.

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    • Ab

      Hi Jochen,
      Thanks for the dynamic callibration tip. I checked the manual of bePro and found the chapter (16) :-O. This makes the navi2coach/bePro an even better combo (for me).

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    • RE: Price

      It just depends. If you plan to use the added Vector Cycling Dynamics features, then go forth! Otherwise, the bePro’s give you essentially the same thing for lots of ice cream less.

      Note that dynamic calibration is gone these days on Vector – so…doesn’t really matter anymore what head unit you use.

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    • Oleg

      Ray, thank you again for your time.
      I know how busy you are.
      At this moment seems that only few people know how to use Cycling Dynamics, I personally have no idea.
      This is will be my first PM, only used virtual power with Trainer road. I have some time before I get back home to make up my mind.

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  128. bas

    (quote Ray): ” The pods themselves are fully sealed in a hardened resin. They provided a photograph (below) of what one looked like prior to the pod casing being added (below shows it sanded down a bit as part of a test they were doing). They noted that this fully waterproofs the entire pod itself, and also makes it completely enclosed. In fact, once the resin is added the unit’s electronics are actually unreachable. Then entire pod is then laminated as well.”

    But if the sensors are so well protected, why do they give such a big warning sign when installing the pods ?

    I think (and that’s my real-life experience) that the sensors are vulnerable and not as good protected as Favero claims they are.

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    • The resin/case protects the pods from outer damage, but during installation, you’re actually interfacing to the interior portion, where the concern is torque in the wrong manner.

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  129. Lukman Nurhakim

    Anyone has corrosion or rust issues with the pedals?

    After less than 2 months of use, the springs, bolts and anything metal on the pedal body is already starting to corrode. Im quite dissapointed with this. Thats why I feel that they should come up with a spindle adapter to work with Shimano Ultegra pedals, just like what Garmin did. The Ultegra pedals are just beter pedals.

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  130. Grant

    Can anyone tell me how many revolutions at <60rpm you need to pedal to activate the power meter?

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    • Colin

      Activating the pedals? Black magic! Make sure pedals are charged first. Ride bike for several minutes could be as much as a 5-8 minutes. Certainly with mine sometimes, when they go to sleep, they do not like being woken up. I that doesn’t work, then assuming you are using a Garmin and the menus are roughly the same. Go to Settings / Bike Settings / ANT+ Power scroll to search. Your Garmin will mostly likely revert back to the previous screen. But moments later the Calibrate YES / NO screen should pop up. Scroll to YES and that should be it. You can check it is connected by scrolling to About in the ANT+ Power menu. You can also enter the device number manually in to your Garmin. Device number is written on the box.

      If using the first time then next you are supposed to do a dynamic calibration.

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    • Hmm, something is wrong there. Either on your Garmin or on the bePro. It shouldn’t take more than about 1 pedal revolution to wake-up (in my experience). Maybe two if you go too slowly.

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    • David Das

      Yup, I wake them up before I get on the bike – just spin them backwards with my hand and they come on, then do the static calibration. Having said that though, there’s been a couple times when, having stopped at the club coffee stop for about 45 minutes, I’ve forgotten to wake them up and they take a while before they start showing power again when I’m riding.

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    • Chris

      I agree Ray, mine wakes up almost instantly regardless of pedaling backwards of forwards… I guess mine are “light sleepers”.

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    • Jochen M.

      Just taking the bike out of the cave is enough for mine.

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    • Grant

      Thanks for all the replies, they came on instantly (pretty much) during my race. The reason for the question was I didn’t want to be spinning pedals in transition and the manual didn’t give the info.
      I have to say I am loving these pedals, so Ray thank you for an awesome review and putting me onto these!

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  131. Quentin Goossens

    Hello,

    I’m using the bePro S now for a few months with an Garmin Fenix device.
    However when I also connect it to my Edge 800, I get a lot of issues with the power output at high cadance.
    Dynamic calibration does not fix it.
    Anyone encountered a similar issue when connecting two Garmin devices?

    Quentin

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    • Grant grant

      Unfortunately I only have 1 garmin device so not a prob I have encountered

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  132. Hal

    Just purchased the dual pedal version on Clever Training here in the states. This will be my first power meter purchase. Was going to get new pedals and a stages ultegra and this solution is about the same price. The thing that pushed me over the edge to a pedal based solution, is with stages / 4iii / Crank Based solution, I am locked into a vendor and a specific model for my crankset. I am connecting these to a Mio / Cyclo 505 and don’t really care so much about the L/R power numbers at this point. Will update this post with my experience sometime next week.

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    • Hal

      So the BEPRO pedals came in early (came in on Monday when originally tracking showed Wednesday). Installation did seem complicated at first but it was pretty easy. Only thing I am not 100% sure about is I used one of the washers on my Ultegra Cranks, but I may be able to get away without using one at all.

      Anyone else used washers or not on Ultegra?

      The pedals were already fully charged from the box as I plugged them in and they had the repeating three light blink for about an hour then they went dark. I then removed my wahoo cadence sensor and put the bike in the trainer. I had no problems syncing the pedals to my Magellan/Mio 505 and I immediately had power and cadence coming in. I did the manual calibration followed by the calibration on the Mio/Magellan and all seems well. I did about a 20 minute light session between 60 and 200 watts. I will ride tonight on a hard but brief training ride so I am excited to see what I get. Thanks DCRAINMAKER and Clever Training!

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    • JR

      I have confirmed from bepro support that ultegra cranks needs one washer.

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    • Hal

      So first ride was a learning experience. About 5 miles into the ride the right hand side rotated about 180 degrees so the line was no longer aligned (I noticed this at a stop light). I had no way to fix this while out on the road so I had to live with it. The mis-alignment effected things dramatically – the first 5 miles I averaged about 200 watts (which was a warmup) and for the next 30 miles I rode hard (avg 25 mph) and averaged about 120 watts.

      So, I can pretty much throw out that data. Once I got home I easily re-aligned the pedal and made sure I got it really tight this time (I was a little scared to put too much force in tightening but this time I crank on it pretty good).

      Another note is I found I prefer the instantaneous power rather than the 3 second power on my Mio 505.

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  133. Thomas Ladefoged

    Does anyone have experience with using the BePro pedals with the cleat shims..???

    link to buy.bepro-favero.com

    I need the cleat shims in order for my shoe not to touch the pod – will this matter? Is this reason enough to find another power meter solution?

    Best Regards,
    Thomas, Denmark

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    • Patrick Richard

      Personally I plan to shave the side of the soles of my Specialized Comp Road shoes which are made of nylon.

      A couple of passes on the bench grinder, and a touch up with a black china marker should do the job.

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  134. Patrick Richard

    Just placed an order with Clever Training. Should ship in 5-7 days, and be delivered to Canada 5-7 days after that. I hate waiting… :-)

    I’ll give you my review of the installation process from a guy with 10 thumbs perspective.

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    • Thanks for the support Patrick! Enjoy!

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    • Patrick Richard

      So, got my pedal this past Saturday, and installed them almost instantly.

      Installation is dead simple with only one caveat, reported by many others; you need to tighten the lock nuts more than you would expect. I guess I’m not well calibrated, and can’t gauge 35-40 Nm. So, after initial installation, dynamic calibration, and a 25 km test ride on Zwift, I tried another dynamic calibration which failed. I then observed that the pedals had rotated about 90% from the mark.

      Reinstalled the pedals, putting some muscle into tightening the lock nuts, dynamic calibration, 60 km ride on my Tack Ironman trainer, including some climbing, some high speed, some time out of the saddle. Redid a dynamic calibration which passed. I checked the alignment on the pedals, and I’d say they haven’t moved at all. I stole Leendert’s inner tube hack to protect the pods.

      I had to modify my shoes (Specialized Comp Road; size 45.5) to provide the clearance required. I tried doing this with a bench grinder but that was tricky with the cleats installed. I ended up taking a utility knife to the soles, which was easy since they are made of nylon. Carbon fiber would not have been fun to work with. If/when I change shoes, or cleats, I will insert a spacer, as suggested.

      I would say that engagement is not as easy as with the Look Keo pedals I was using before these. However, there is no clicking while riding, which can do a lot to maintain sanity.

      It looks like I have a significant L/R imbalance, except when riding out of the saddle. The imbalance is less when I ride at a lower cadence, 80ish, and higher gear. I think some of the imbalance can be traced back to side effects of a stroke I suffered in 2011. Nevertheless I will try to mitigate it.

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    • Patrick Richard

      Hey Ray,

      Actually, I’m the one who should thank you; I got a good deal on a product I would not have heard of without you, and a further saving compare to the PowerTap P1s I was going to buy.

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  135. Shane

    Why is my power meter picking up other power this happens if I’m waiting five to ten min before race is there any way to stop this thanks

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    • I’m not sure I understand what you mean. What you describe is impossible from a power meter standpoint. Are you perhaps talking about your Garmin or other head unit?

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    • Chrs

      Sounds like he means his computer is picking up other meters… I think…

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  136. Shane

    Yes my garmin 500 picks up multiple power meters is there a way to stop this happing

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    • Validate your firmware is fully up to date. If so, then do a reset of the unit. That should fix it.

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  137. Shane

    Ok I’ll try that but should my garmin not be able to pick up my power pedals and not other power meter

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  138. Kwen

    Have my dual BePro’s for 6 months now, I’m very happy with them. Installation pretty simple, stickers not really needed but had mine installed within 15 minutes. Had two touches with the asphalt with them (one crash), but no issues. Casing is pretty strong.

    Pro’s:
    – Price
    – Battery up-time very long
    – Rain proof (several of my friends repeatedly(!) have to send their Stages back for repair after heavy rain)
    – No pods or other ugly protuberances
    – L/R data on dual pedals (helping me fix a big L/R inbalance)
    – Pedal smoothness / torque effectiveness nice data to have (together with a Wahoo Elemnt in my case)
    – Great for bike-renting holidays

    Tips:
    – tighten really tight, I made the same mistake as others, it came loose the first ride.
    – don’t back-pedal too fast when dynamic calibrating, just do 50-60 rpm. Otherwise, it won’t start calibration

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    • Grant

      I have to Agree with Kwen, Ive had mine 1 month, the single “S”version. Perfect on my TT bike once I got the backpedal speed correct to calibrate
      When I moved them to my training bike, had an issue where they became misaligned because they were not tightened enough, so lost data for a 100mile ride :-(. but easily fixed.
      If anyone knows the correct torque they should be tightened to that would be useful
      Overall I’m very happy with them

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    • tfk

      yep agree with the make them tight comment. used mine for over a year on and off.
      one issue for me was catching the circular bit with my cleat when pushing down on the right side (poor technique). touching the circular bit is a bad idea as that seems to mess up the readings. use the less floaty cleats if this applies to you

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  139. David Das

    Well, everything was going fine with my Bepros until last week. I did an ftp test and the numbers were jumping around and over-estimating the power like crazy and the cadence was jumping around too, which ended up with the test being a total [and exhausting!] waste of time.

    I did a dynamic calibration which seemed to start returning the numbers back to normal. Then when I went out for a ride the next day, on coming back the average was showing a number that was lower than usual, with the same jumpy cadence. So I plugged the pedals into the computer and noticed that the right hand pedal had one less dynamic calibration than the left. I took the pedal off, re-installed it and ran another dynamic calibration and it seemed to work.

    I went out on Sunday and the power readings and cadence were back to normal. However, when I went out yesterday, the right-hand pedal was not working properly, showing virtually no power, and as for cadence, well it was reading 93, then 48, then 89, then 37 etc. I have just taken it off again, re-installed, did a dynamic calibration and it’s still not showing any power. It’s aligned [as it was yesterday when I checked], but just not working.

    Has anyone had any similar experience to this? I’ve just emailed Favero and explained the situation to them too…waiting for a response from them, but if anyone has had something similar happen and there’s a quick fix, I’d much rather do that than potentially have to send the pedal back!

    Thanks in advance

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    • Chris

      I had mine about a week and the left pedal died during a ride and the while fiddling to get it going both died then the right side came back. Tried everything until favero recommended some test involving chairs and a 10 kg weight. Sent them the results and they had me send the pedals back to them in Italy. About three weeks later they sent me new pedals… Been ok since then. Apparently and issue with the left hand sensor…

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  140. David Das

    Thanks Chris,

    I got in touch with them and they sent me the troubleshooting guide. I did a number of checks and got to looking at the advanced information, where it showed that the right pedal had a maximum exerted force of 171kg versus the left of 109kg. They said it should be no more than 20kg difference, so they asked me to send them back. Just waiting for DHL to pick them up! Hopefully will all get sorted asap.

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    • Chris

      David Das! You might wanna try your luck as I did. Since I had to send mine back at a fair cost and incoveniance I asked bepro to chuck in a pair of cleat spacers for the trouble, they did;)
      First I thought extra cleats, but the spacers cost more and are harder to get hold of that a set of cleats… Happy days…

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  141. Christian Holmstedt

    Thx for the review.
    After reading as much I could find online about Power Meters I finally made the jump and got a set of bePRO S pedals. So far I’ve only used them a few times and overall they seem to work great, with a small problem.
    I have them linked up to a Bryton Rider 310 computer (comparable in features to a Garmin 500). Static calibration is not a problem while the dynamic calibration seems a bit… unclear, but it seems to be working. On the Rider 310 there is nothing that indicates a calibration success but the power numbers appears after a while and I assume it is ok. Connecting the pedals via USB it is possible to see how many successful dynamic calibrations have been done.
    Now on to the problem.
    When coasting the power and cadence data does not drop down to zero and this shows up on Strava as a flat line.
    Have anyone else, or You, seen this? It could be an issue with the Rider 310. I am waiting for feedback from both Bryton and bePRo about this.

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    • Christian Holmstedt

      Time for a brief update.

      The problem is now gone. The latest firmware for the Bryton Rider 310 fixed the problem.
      For those interested the version is : R024.003.0014

      These pedals are great.

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  142. Patrick Richard

    Yesterday I did an FTP test on Zwift, and at the same time I had my power meter data showing on my Edge 520. I was expecting wattage values in Zwift, from my Tacx Ironman, and on the Edge 520, from the bePROs, to be very close one to the other.

    What I got was bePRO values about 33% lower than the Ironman. That was puzzling, to say the least. Now, I don’t have calibrated legs, and lungs, but I believed the Ironman numbers. Since Ray proved, as demonstrated above that the bePROs provide good data, I was left with a number of alternatives to explain what I was observing:

    – I had a bum set of bePROs
    – I had somehow messed up the configuration
    – Since I had not ridden 2-4 times since installing the pedals, the settling was affecting the values
    – I’m sure there are other possibilities

    Testing for a bum set of pedals when you have only one other instrument, the Ironman, is impossible; is A good, and B bad, or is it the reverse.

    So, I decided to recheck the configuration, which is pretty much limited to checking that the crank arm length is correctly entered. It was… Honestly, I did not think that a couple of millimeter in crank arm length would have produces the large discrepancy I had been observing.

    Then I thought that maybe Zwift was misrepresenting the data from the Ironman, so I fired up TTS4, and started riding while maintaining a steady wattage. In interestingly, my highly calibrated Eyeball Mk1, gauged the difference between TTS4 and the bePROs to be about 1-2%.

    The only difference between the two runs is that before the FTP test, I forgot to calibrate the bePROs. Maybe I’m missing something, or maybe my tests are anecdotal; but it looks like you really, really have to calibrate, even if you always get an offset of 0.

    I set my Edge 520 to remind me to calibrate every time the bePROs wake up. To do that go Menu :: Settings :: Sensors :: Power meter :: Sensor Details :: Calibration Prompt.

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  143. Wojtek

    How many washers did you use with 105?

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  144. carlos

    Any issue using B-Pro with Q-rings? Some power meters just can’t.

    Regards.

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