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Hands-on with the Garmin Epix GPS mapping & multisport watch

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Today Garmin introduced a full color mapping GPS wrist watch that doubles as a multisport watch – making for the first time they’ve merged the multisport world with their historically separate handheld mapping units.  This new unit – the Garmin Epix – employs a touch screen (as well as regular buttons) to allow you to navigate on full color downloadable maps as well as Connect IQ apps.  But more importantly to this segment here, it’s a fully functional GPS sport watch containing every single feature of the FR920XT and just announced Fenix3 watches.  It’s effectively the ultimate single Garmin GPS device containing everything minus the kitchen sink.

I’ve had some very brief hands-on time with a prototype Epix unit to get the run through on the key features.  Expect a much deeper review in a few months once it releases.

(Note: Garmin has also announced other products today including the Garmin Fenix3 GPS watch, the Garmin Vivoactive GPS smartwatch, and the Vivofit2 activity tracker.)

Main Features:

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The first thing to understand is that it has every single software function of the Fenix3 (which in turn, has every software function of the Forerunner 920XT).  There are some hardware differences though, mostly positive, but one negative (no WiFi).  On the positives, first is that the Epix has the larger 1.4” full color touch screen.  The main point of this enlarged screen being to display maps like above.

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These maps can be purchased as part of an Epix bundle, or downloaded separately from either Garmin.com (paid) or free 3rd party sources (just like the Garmin Edge series).  So you definitely aren’t limited to Garmin’s semi-costly maps, which is great news.  That moves right into the next piece, which is storage.  The unit contains 8GB of storage for maps, which should be plenty for just about any expedition out there.  You can’t extend the storage, which is likely due to the increased 50m waterproofing and difficulty they’d have otherwise properly waterproofing a micro-SD card port.

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Because the Epix carries with it the expanded navigation feature set of the Fenix3, it has a much higher focus on hiking and related activities.  This includes features not found in the base FR920XT, like the Sight ‘N Go capability as well as the TracBack functions.  Further, unlike the FR920XT you can control the zoom levels and change it as required on the fly.

For the triathletes in the house though, you weren’t left behind.  As noted above, it carries with it all of the triathlon-focused functionality found in the new Fenix3 and the FR920XT (for those who haven’t read the Fenix3 post yet, all you really need to know is that there’s nothing new tri-specific software-wise that’s not in the FR920XT already).

The included multisport functionality means that you can take the watch out into openwater and track swims just as easily as navigating in the offseason in the mountains with Topo maps.

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The same goes for activity settings, sensors and profiles – all of that is retained from the FR920XT.  While the watch is no doubt bigger (in every way) than the slim and sleek FR920XT, it doesn’t feel much different than the older FR910XT from a size standpoint.  So if the FR910XT didn’t bother you, I doubt the Epix will either.

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Now, there is one hardware feature that strangely isn’t found in the Epix watch – which is WiFi.  Despite being available in all other recent high-end Garmin units, it didn’t make the cut for the Epix.  Fear not though, you’ve still got USB as well as Bluetooth Smart.  So you can still transfer routes and what-not via your phone, just like with the Fenix series.

And finally, just like every other new Garmin device over about $200 these days, it supports Garmin Connect IQ.  This means you can download Garmin Connect IQ apps, watch faces, widgets and data fields to the Epix.  There’s already a number of companies (big and small) working on apps, which I’ll dive into in a post later this week.

Product Comparison Tool:

Now, it’s probably getting a bit confusing with some of these recent models as to how the FR920XT, Fenix3, and Epix all differ.  In many ways, they’re basically the same base functionality with the material aspects of the watch and navigation capabilities being the major differences.  Here’s a nifty little somewhat over-simplified overview of the differences that I whipped up:

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But, for those of you who are more spec oriented, here’s the full rundown of specs.  Note that my charts don’t fully cover materials yet (like the glass front, bezel, and band types), so this is more from a technical feature set level.  Also note that for the Epix series there are two models.  The first is at $549US without detailed maps, and the second is at $599US with the TOPO US 100K maps.  Keep in mind though you can easily download free maps from the interwebs, so I wouldn’t let that bother you too much.

Function/FeatureGarmin Forerunner 920XTGarmin Fenix3Garmin Epix
Copyright DC Rainmaker - Updated June 9th, 2016 @ 10:59 amNew Window
Price$449$499$549
Product Announcement DateOct 1st, 2014January 5th, 2015January 5th, 2015
Actual Availability/Shipping DateEarly Oct 2014February 2015May 2015
GPS Recording FunctionalityYesYesYes
Data TransferUSB/Bluetooth Smart/WiFiUSB/Bluetooth Smart/WiFiUSB/Bluetooth Smart
WaterproofingYes - 50mYes - 100mYes - 50m
Battery Life (GPS)UP TO 40HRS IN GPSUp to 50hrs in GPSUp to 50hrs in GPS
Recording Interval1s or Smart1S OR SMART1S OR SMART
Satellite Pre-Loading via ComputerYesYesYes
Quick Satellite ReceptionGreatGreatGreat
AlertsVibrate/Sound/VisualVibrate/Sound/VisualVibrate/Sound/Visual
Backlight GreatnessGreatGreatGreat
Ability to download custom apps to unit/deviceYesYesYes
Acts as daily activity monitor (steps, etc...)YesYesYes
Can control phone musicNoYesYes
Has music storage and playbackNoNoNo
ConnectivityGarmin Forerunner 920XTGarmin Fenix3Garmin Epix
Bluetooth Legacy (pre-4.0) to PhoneNoNoNo
Bluetooth Smart (4.0+) to Phone UploadingYesYesYes
Phone Notifications to unit (i.e. texts/calls/etc...)YesYesYes
Live Tracking (streaming location to website)YesYesYes
Emergency/SOS Message Notification (from watch to contacts)NoNoNo
Built-in cellular chip (no phone required)NoNoNo
CyclingGarmin Forerunner 920XTGarmin Fenix3Garmin Epix
Designed for cyclingYesYesYes
Power Meter CapableYesYesYes
Power Meter Configuration/Calibration OptionsYesYesYEs
Power Meter TSS/NP/IFYesYesYEs
Speed/Cadence Sensor CapableYesYesYes
Strava segments live on deviceNoNoNo
RunningGarmin Forerunner 920XTGarmin Fenix3Garmin Epix
Designed for runningYesYesYes
Footpod Capable (For treadmills)YesYesYes
Running Dynamics (vertical oscillation, ground contact time, etc...)With HRM-TRI or HRM-RUNWith HRM-TRI or HRM-RUNWith HRM-TRI or HRM-RUN (Gen1 only, no Gen2 Running Dynamics)
VO2Max EstimationYesYesYes
Race PredictorYesYesYes
Recovery AdvisorYesYesYEs
Run/Walk ModeYesYesYes
SwimmingGarmin Forerunner 920XTGarmin Fenix3Garmin Epix
Designed for swimmingYesYesYes
Openwater swimming modeYesYesYes
Lap/Indoor Distance TrackingYesYesYes
Record HR underwaterWith HRM-TRI/HRM-SWIMWITH HRM-TRI/HRM-SWIMWITH HRM-TRI/HRM-SWIM
Openwater Metrics (Stroke/etc.)YesYesYes
Indoor Metrics (Stroke/etc.)YesYEsYes
Indoor Drill ModeYesYesYes
Indoor auto-pause featureNoNoNo
Change pool sizeYesYesYes
Indoor Min/Max Pool Lengths17M/18Y TO 150Y/M17M/18Y TO 150Y/M17M/18Y TO 150Y/M
Ability to customize data fieldsYesYesYes
Can change yards to metersYesYesYes
Captures per length data - indoorsYesYesYes
Indoor AlertsYesYesYes
TriathlonGarmin Forerunner 920XTGarmin Fenix3Garmin Epix
Designed for triathlonYesYesYes
Multisport modeYesYesYEs
WorkoutsGarmin Forerunner 920XTGarmin Fenix3Garmin Epix
Create/Follow custom workoutsYesYesYEs
On-unit interval FeatureYesYEsYes
Training Calendar FunctionalityYesYesYes
FunctionsGarmin Forerunner 920XTGarmin Fenix3Garmin Epix
Auto Start/StopYesYesYes
Virtual Partner FeatureYesYesYes
Virtual Racer FeatureYesYesYes
Records PR's - Personal Records (diff than history)YesYesYes
Day to day watch abilityYesYesYes
Hunting/Fishing/Ocean DataNoYesYes
Tidal Tables (Tide Information)NoNoOnly with Garmin Bluechart g2 maps (extra)
Jumpmaster mode (Parachuting)NoNoNo
GeocachingNoVia GPS coordinatesYes (but not paperless geocaching)
Weather Display (live data)YesYesWith Connect IQ
NavigateGarmin Forerunner 920XTGarmin Fenix3Garmin Epix
Follow GPS Track (Courses/Waypoints)YesYEsYes
Markers/Waypoint DirectionYesYesYes
Routable/Visual Maps (like car GPS)NoNoYes
Back to startYesYesYes
Impromptu Round Trip Route CreationNoNoNo
Download courses/routes from phone to unitYesYesYes
SensorsGarmin Forerunner 920XTGarmin Fenix3Garmin Epix
Altimeter TypeBarometricBarometricBarometric
Compass TypeMagneticMagneticMagnetic
Optical Heart Rate Sensor internallyNoNoNo
Heart Rate Strap CompatibleYesYesYes
ANT+ Heart Rate Strap CapableYesYesYEs
ANT+ Speed/Cadence CapableYesYesYes
ANT+ Footpod CapableYesYesYes
ANT+ Power Meter CapableYesYesYEs
ANT+ Weight Scale CapableNoNoNo
ANT+ Fitness Equipment (Gym)NoNoNo
ANT+ Lighting ControlNoNoNo
ANT+ Bike Radar IntegrationNoNoNo
ANT+ Trainer Control (FE-C)NoNoNo
ANT+ Remote ControlNo (can control VIRB though)No (can control VIRB though)No (can control VIRB though)
ANT+ eBike CompatibilityNoNoNo
ANT+ Muscle Oxygen (i.e. Moxy/BSX)No
ANT+ Gear Shifting (i.e. SRAM ETAP)No
Shimano Di2 ShiftingYesComing in updateNo
Bluetooth Smart HR Strap CapableNoNoNo
Bluetooth Smart Speed/Cadence CapableNoNoNo
Bluetooth Smart Footpod CapableNoNoNo
Bluetooth Smart Power Meter CapableNoNoNo
Temp Recording (internal sensor)NoYesYes
Temp Recording (external sensor)NoYesYes
Compatible with Firstbeat HR toolsYesYesYes
SoftwareGarmin Forerunner 920XTGarmin Fenix3Garmin Epix
PC ApplicationGarmin ExpressGarmin ExpressGarmin Express
Web ApplicationGarmin ConnectGarmin ConnectGarmin Connect
Phone AppiOS/Android/Windows PhoneiOS/Android/Windows PhoneiOS/Android/Windows Phone
Ability to Export SettingsNoNoNo
PurchaseGarmin Forerunner 920XTGarmin Fenix3Garmin Epix
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DCRainmakerGarmin Forerunner 920XTGarmin Fenix3Garmin Epix
Review LinkLinkLinkLink

If you’d like to compare in other models – like the now older Fenix2, you can do that within the product comparison tool/calculator over here.

Here’s a handful more photos I have of the device.  Keep in mind that at the time I shot these (early January), features and functionality was fairly limited as it was/is still early in the beta cycle.  Down the road once I have a final production device I’ll include more photos and videos.

Also note that because it’s beta, things typically change a little bit.

A few initial thoughts:

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The strategy that Garmin has started to roll out with is to effectively establish a common base watch (the FR920XT) and then add higher end differentiating levels beyond that (the Fenix3 and Epix).  Each higher level encompasses all features of the lower level units.  This is somewhat different than the past where separate Garmin divisions would create different offerings that resulted in frustrated consumers having to pick between a fitness watch and an outdoor handheld unit.  Now, you can effectively get a single device that contains it all.

Of course, to get it all…you’ll certainly be paying for it.  With a starting price at $549US, the Epix certainly isn’t cheap.  But it is cheaper than having to buy a FR920XT at $449 and then another navigation device for yet another $300-$400.  So I suppose viewed in that lens it’s….a bargain?  Now with all these devices the piece I’m actually most excited about is the app component with Connect IQ.  Having seen some of the initial apps including a ski resort app (lift/slope/run information), a personal safety app, and a weather app – these 3rd party companies are definitely going in the right direction.  And that’s before we get into some of the cooler sensor gathering apps like Moxy and what I suspect we’ll see for other unique sensor types over the next few months.

As noted earlier, the Epix will be available in Q1 2015, though expect that to be as close to the bounds of Q1 as possible (i.e. March).  And of course, because my time with the Epix was far more limited than normal – I have no idea if it’ll have any hardware teething issues.  With a touch screen display, that’s always a concern – especially since this particular model hasn’t been recycled from any other Garmin product lines yet.

As always – feel free to drop any questions below and I’d be happy to track down the answers.  Thanks for reading!

Pre-Orders:

Note: You can pre-order the Epix through Clever Training today, as well as various accessory bands.  The units will ship as soon as Garmin starts shipping, which is currently slated for Q1 2015.

Welcome to CES 2015! Don’t forget to check out all my CES 2015 coverage, as well as my continual updates throughout the day on Twitter.  It’s gonna be a crazy busy week!

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1,071 Comments

  1. Mloc

    I hope this doesn’t mean they don’t intend to fix the navigation aspect of the 920xt

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  2. Fareed D

    Darn it..just bought FR920XT as my own birthday present a month ago.

    If Garmin can improve the navigation feature of 920XT it wouldn’t be too bad though.

    Again nice review Ray.

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    • Graham

      Yes, I’m in exactly the same boat. I doubt that Garmin will patch the 920XT navigation, because that would erode sales from the Fenix and Epix. :( I’m wondering if I should sell and upgrade. I will wait for Ray’s full review of the newer models.

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  3. wolf

    Text says no wifi, comparisaon tool say yes for wifi…

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  4. rabbit

    comparison tool : waterproofing 100m for the F3- is it correct?

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  5. Francis C

    Wow. Fenix3 is starting to look good. Just got my 920 XT too. How come it can do HR while submerged? Ugh. Must resist temptation….

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    • Francis C

      Answered on a different thread. HR is NOT supported while submerged. Typo.

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  6. Paul

    Weight?

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  7. Mans

    Too bad, no gym epuipment support. Was looking to update my 910, but also dont want to throw out the support for my concept2. (not gonna update the erg). Is there any mac software around that allows you to record ant+ signals (using a garmin usb stick)

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    • There will be some gym equipment support via Connect IQ. I’ll demo that in a post on Wednesday.

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  8. Peter

    Great! Do you have any information about battery life as day-to-day watch and in navigation mode (in relation to the color screen)? Thanks

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    • Andreas Stenberg

      I am also quite curious about the battery times as a day-to-day watch, maybe even more so for the F3. Any updates on this?

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  9. Jan S

    Anyone knows if there will be a quick reelase solution for this?
    I might drop my order for a 920.

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    • Frederik

      I’d also like to know if there will be a quick release solution, for this one and/or the Fenix.

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    • At this point there are not plans for a quick release kit for either the Epix or Fenix3, but Garmin is saying they are listening to feedback there.

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  10. Ed

    Thanks for the review! Something that I’ve always wondered about Garmin’s fitness devices that come with navigation (like the Epix and the Edge for example): how do Garmin’s maps compare, to say, Google Maps when it comes to navigation using bicycle trails? Same question for the free online maps you gave instructions on how to use in another post.

    I have no doubt that Garmin provides excellent street navigation. I’m really curious about how much it “knows” about bicycle trails.

    Really, what I want to know is, if I get an Epix or an Edge with the intent of using it to replace my handlebar mounted iPhone navigation system, am I going to be happy or disappointed?

    Thanks, and keep up the good work!

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    • Tim

      Garmin and Open Street Map / Open Cycle Map on device “navigation” has been a little tough to use if you are particular for an exact type of trail / road. For example if you only want paved bicycle trails, I haven’t successfully achieved this with an Edge. I always end up with random mixes of Paved Trails, Roads, and Unpaved trails.

      There are options to avoid highways and avoid unpaved roads, but I don’t believe the routing on the device is ideal for directing you from Point A to Point B.

      My personal use was mostly pre-loading a course, “navigating” it and once in awhile using it’s maps to get me back on track… but rarely hopping on my bike and telling it to take me somewhere.

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    • Gunnar

      Ed, concerning navigating with a Garmin, I think you’ll find it much better in the long run when compared to an iphone. I’ve used a Garmin 705 since 2009 on my trips abroad and just pick and choose maps for the area I’m visiting through open street maps (see Ray’s post on importing OSM’s to a Garmin device). I get 15 hours of battery life while navigating with the edge 705. Not something that is going to happen with the iphone.

      However, I also now carry a 310xt in my back pocket (for wireless uploads of my work outs via iphone and wahoo ANT+ dongle) and a Pebble watch on my wrist for music control and phone message alerts. The Garmin Epix looks like it will streamline my gadgetry to just one device…..nice.

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    • Ed

      Tim, Gunnar,

      Thanks for the info!

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  11. Jonathan Barton

    Does the epix (or fenix 3) finally restore turn alerts (vibration or audible) as a feature? If so, are these alerts custom or do they only include turns on roads? i.e. Could I feasibly use this watch to avoid bringing paper directions on either a road or a trail run?

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    • Paul Stansel

      Very interested in this too. When trail running I hate to have to look at my wrist all the time 😉

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    • I’ll have to double check that.

      But, there is a cool app I’ll show on Wednesday that allows you to get full directional support on trails from a massive database online of trail routes/hikes. Pretty cool.

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    • Jonathan

      Ray, I took a look at the komoot app. It looks interesting, but the website and Android app both seem…unfinished. That coupled with the limitations of Connect IQ make me disinclined to trust this or any other app for what I consider fundamental functionality.

      I hope that you will look into the support for courses and turn alerts when you do your full review and write up.

      I think there is a small but fervent group of users who prefer to be able to keep their paper maps and directions in their pockets, while using their watch for primary run navigation. It seems like courses/routes with turn alerts should be able to be put onto the Fenix3/epix since they work with Basecamp, so that’s a good start at least. Otherwise, the 310XT still manages to be the best running watch at any price, for me. I sure would like all those fancy extra features though…

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    • Paul S

      I tried the iOS app since I can’t use ConnectIQ yet. I live in what they call a beta area (North America), but the maps seemed fine. They show all the trails I know and a few that I didn’t know about. But when creating a tour it’s too fond of out and back. They should improve that into creating loops. Still, looks nice and I may use it.

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    • David

      Turn Alerts is the main thing I was looking for. I already had the 920XT, which has no turn alerts. When the Epix was first announced, I thought to myself “Of course there must be turn alerts. It contains complete street maps after all, doesn’t it? Well, my logic was WRONG!!!! NO TURN ALERTS!!! I’m sending back the Epix, immediately. What is up with Garmin? This should be the easiest thing to add. They put turn-alerts into my now ancient FR610. If my 610 still worked, I’d go back to that.

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    • David

      I found out today that the 920 does support turn alerts with the use of third party tools.
      RideWithGPS
      JaVaWa RTW tool
      Worked out great for a test ride that I did today.

      Doesn’t solve your problem. But maybe those tools will allow the Epix to give turn alerts.

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    • David

      Third-party software? You mean “third-party PHONE-software,” no?? The point is that I want to be able to use the watch by itself. Lugging around a phone is not my idea of fun when I’m running. And, if one is going to lug around a phone anyway, what’s really the point of the watch? The phone can monitor most of the same metrics, only more accurately. I think most of us are waiting for this Connect IQ Komoot app to materialize, but it has been so long in coming that as of this moment lthis seems to more of a pipe dream than anything else. Hey, if you do find third-party software that can be installed on the watch, please let me know.

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    • David

      No, perhaps I wasn’t sure of your expectations.
      Since the 920XT has no maps, the only way to get turn alerts is to load a course. To create that course, you can use Garmin Connect (no turn alerts), or you can use RideWithGPS.com to create a .TCX file which will have turn alert data in it. Then you can use JaVaWa RTWtool to convert the .TCX file to a .FIT file which you can load directly into a 920XT, and get turn alerts.
      I assume you could do the same thing on the Epix, but I don’t know. Obviously it is not as good as having the Epix do the routing and generate its own turn alerts.

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    • David

      Thanks for the instructions. I will give it a try. It’s a complicated process, but certainly the process is worth it for the added functionality. And, yes, I agree, the Epix most likely will work in the same way. But, if I can get my 920XT to perform the task, then the Epix for me will be superfluous. I’ll send it back and save quite a bit of change and bulk. The watch is quite large. Tolerable, but large. Thanks again. I’ll let you know how it turns out.

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  12. Paul S

    Can the activity tracking stuff be turned off? I’ll have one of these on my wrist next winter, but I have no interest in step counting and would rather not have it bother me if it doesn’t think I’ve been moving enough.

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    • Gary P

      Paul

      On the 920xt you can turn off activity tracking. It seems the Epix and Fenix 3 are built on the same software as the 920xt so it would be logical to assume you can turn it off on these two units too.

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    • Paul S

      Good, thanks.

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  13. vic

    Wow, the ultimate sports watch! My only concern is whether ConnectIQ will be able to attract the right developer community, compared to the Apple and Android developer communities.

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  14. Dack

    I understood that the Fenix2 had a limitation in multisport mode of only supporting outdoor/GPS based swims and not pool swims(I could be wrong there). Do these 2 new watches, EPIX or Fenix3, have this limitation or are they exactly like the 920XT where you can put together your own activity profile with pool or outdoor based swimming included?

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    • Both of these are exactly like the FR920XT and support indoor pool swims as part of multisport mode.

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  15. Rob

    Shame that early 920xt buyers were unaware at the time that they were buying a base model from a range. If anything we felt we were very much getting the top of the range (of the triathlon-oriented product line) flagship model. Some would be happy but I bet there are a lot like me who will be saying “damn it!” right now. It is not that I am unhappy with the 920 but would have probably thrown a few more bucks (and found a way to explain it to my wife) for the extra features. Oh well…

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    • amadeus303

      Agree… I love everything about my 920xt, but I would’ve at least considered the Epix. I still use an older Edge 500 on my bike for outdoor rides to get simple metrics (while the 920xt stays on my wrist to record everything), and when previewing a race course, I still take a turn-by-turn printout with me. I just don’t need turn-by-turn nav frequently enough to justify buying a more robust bike computer for $500+. However, for $100 more than what I paid for the 920xt to get mapping functionality? That’s a much more compelling argument…

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    • scowill

      I don’t know about following a route off a watch. My first Garmin product was the Edge 1000. Naively i thought it would be similar to the Tomtom in my car.
      Very steep learning curve and a LOT of time invested in plotting routes to follow in Basecamp and Connect. Also learning the inherent limitations of the whole system and how this might cause routing problems and the workarounds, including the device settings to have.
      I’ve used my 1000 often when hiking and am considering buying the £300 OS mapping card 1:25k for the UK. In bad weather with rain on the screen and me wearing gloves, using the touchscreen is sometimes frustrating, it may lock or not respond. Don’t get me wrong, i do love my 1000, what i am saying is ‘would i be able to replace it with a watch sized screen’ i don’t think so.

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  16. Paul Stansel

    Does anyone know if the HRM strap is the same as say the one from the 620? Wouldn’t mind not having to buy a new HRM.

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  17. Gunnar

    Oh, and the poor Leikr watch buyers (if there are any….)

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    • atlantis

      didn’t knew that. thx. based on a first look at it, I don’t know if garmin has the edge (!), though.

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  18. Rob

    Ordered my Fenix 3 Sapphire with metal band. Looking forward to it!

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  19. Heather

    Garmin why no 24/7 HR monitoring???? Accurate of course : ) Would be the ultimate, all around, do everything but cook your food for you watch, sigh. Still waiting for this elusive combination, sigh again.

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  20. Aspirina

    Darn, waiting for my CT VIP email so I can preorder this beauty….

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  21. amadeus303

    Ray – any chance the Epix band fits on the 920xt?

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  22. Greg S

    Does it pinch zoom and give vibrations for turns like an edge? I am looking for something for running where i can change course and explore but know where I am and how to get home

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  23. Jeff S

    The epix looks very nice, but I’m concerned about one thing: the lack of wifi. Assuming I head out for a weekend of hiking (I live in Switzerland, it’s what people here do on Sunday’s), and I don’t bring my USB cord but do bring a laptop or something capable of transferring to the unit, how long might it take to transfer a map of any considerable size to the unit?

    Does anyone have an off-the-cuff estimate for transfer speeds over BLE (I’m assuming that USB is quick, hopefully I’m right)?

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    • Greg S

      BLE is slow! Not sure if the same as with my android wear, but moving over 1gb music via BLTE takes almost 1.5-2 hours

      – Greg

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    • I don’t think there’s going to be an option to transfer maps via BLE anyway, just USB (for the reasons noted above about being incredibly slow).

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    • Bob Croucher

      The USB would be the fast way to download the maps. That’s how it’s done on the Edge computers.

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    • Tisztul_A_Visztula

      Come on! There are USB cords of 10cm or so, not speaking about its weight advantage vs that of the lightest laptop.

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  24. Josh

    as someone who typically likes to get the latest and greatest in technology, I’m struggling to understand why I would want to return my 920 for a unit that is not only thicker, but also substantially heavier, and costs more. I do think that the maps are cool and being able to see the weather is cool, but as someone who is using the device almost strictly for road racing, I think the 920 is about perfect for me. I had a fenix 2 very briefly sometime ago and found the weight and thickness to just be way too much, and found the plethora of problems with the 620 that many others did to make the 920 a justified upgrade. I am still within my window to return the 920, but in all honesty the light weight is really one of my favorite features. Because I have young children, I am always forced to run with my iPhone 6 in case schools or my wife need to reach me. I am more than happy to hear opinions of others as to why it would make sense to return the 920 and go for the Epix. I do agree that the plastic of the 920 is a downfall of the unit, and I really would have loved a unit that was a solid color, but I don’t know that I’m willing to sacrifice size to get that.

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    • Tim Grose

      Seems to be only worth swopping for this if the extra features are of interest and the extra weight (albeit not that much it seems) is not an issue. From what you have said then seems no. I quite like the idea of an Epix for the odd run I do where I like to explore a bit and/or am somewhere new. Then again my phone does maps and probably better given the bigger screen and internet access (well in some places) but it’s a pain to stop and get it out of my back pocket and then hard to run and hold it. Think will wait for Ray’s more detailed review. Also buying Garmin maps isn’t generally that cheap. As a UK user will need to check prices for OS maps especially as I already have a full set from Memory Map for my phone/iPad/laptop.

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    • Kevin

      For some sports the difference in thickness would indeed be very noticable. I do a lot of kayaking, SUP and other watersports. Thicker watches tend to scratch and be scratched when moving boats and boards around. For swimming, if you’re in the pool or crowded race then thicker watches tend to hit other swimmers etc. Between thickness and wifi I would be incline to prefer the 920XT over the Epix, and I had actually bought it, I would be glad I had.

      The Fenix3 / Epix does have Ocean and hunting data, haven’t found it useful yet, but haven’t really tried either.

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  25. Peter K

    Very interesting that the Epix post has ~30 comment and the Fenix3 has ~150… Wonder how closely comments reflect sales ect?!

    Baring memory size is there any reason Connect IQ couldn’t add the mapping and navigation functions of the Epix to the Fenix 3 and 920xt?!

    Any word on when IQ App Store will land? Looking forward to seeing apps and new watch faces on the 920;-)

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    • I suspect it’s actually more just a case of me having a much stronger triathlon follower/reader base than hiking base.

      For mapping on the FR920XT and Fenix3, it’s primarily lack of processing power for maps.

      Connect IQ rolled out data fields and watch faces as of this morning, getting exact date for apps.

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    • David Lusty

      When you say rolled out Connect IQ do you mean to the public? If so how do we access them?

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    • David Lusty

      Looks like we go to link to apps.garmin.com and wait for content which I assume will arrive shortly from third party developers :)

      Reply
    • Paul S

      The release notes for the latest Garmin Express, released (at least for OS X) yesterday, says “• Added Connect IQ Store support”. So it’s possible everything flows through Express, although I have no way of trying at the moment since I don’t have a Connect IQ device.

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    • Dave Lusty

      I just tried and Express now handles the link from the app store but the sync errors on app install since presumably there is a related firmware. I don’t want to use the beta stuff so will have to wait for the release.

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    • Forrest

      For what it’s worth: I’m a hiker, the only time you’ll catch me running is during the zombie apocalypse, and I’m deciding which Fenix 3 to order.

      The Epix maps aren’t going to be very useful for hiking. Either you’re on trails which are usually very easy to follow, or you’re leaving the trail and need a quality topo map (on paper so it won’t crash and the battery won’t die) and compass. Hand-held GPS units are somewhat useful but have much larger screens than the Epix so can show more detail about the surrounding area.

      Plus the F3 is pretty and the Epix is something only a mother could love.

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    • Dom

      And the price difference between a Fenix 3 and the Epix would be quite a large chunk of the price of something like an Etrex 20 if you wanted a mapping GPS.

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  26. Alan

    Ray – how was the scrolling on the map, fluid or laggy? Also, does it support pinch to zoom?

    Reply
    • It’s honestly a bit too beta to tell.

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    • Carlos

      When garmin does new things with devices it usually takes them about 6 months (sometimes more) to fix or add what was initially promised. So, if launch is not delayed probably not worth buying until september or so. Hope i’m wrong

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  27. Ronny

    I have the Fenix 2 and it’s not possible to use an ANT+ device and Bluetooth connectivity at the same time. For example it’s not possible to use a heart rate strap and get phone notifications/use Live Tracking at the same time. This is because of limitaitions to the chip in Fenix 2.

    Do you know if this is possible with Fenix 3 or Epix?

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  28. What is the actual resolution/dpi of the Epix “high res” screen? Are they coming out with something competitive with the 2″ 480×360 you could get previously from a Samsung ‘Gear S’ smartwatch?

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    • Bart

      From the Garmin site:
      Display resolution, WxH 205 x 148 pixels; transflective MIP color

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    • Alan

      205 x 148 is sufficient for that size screen and it’s transreflective. Garmin is not Samsung.

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  29. Martin R.

    Great news! However, I hope Garmin will introduce their next lineup all at once, and not months apart (e.g. the 920xt). Potential customers could then make better decisions.

    Reply
    • I think the challenge there is just the logistics of it. While some might say that Apple and others do that – it’s not entirely true, Samsung for example has sprinkled watches seemingly every quarter this year.

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  30. atlantis

    is the “stop activity” hardware bug still here if you’re charging the device (with some external battery) while hiking or running a trail ?
    same question with “display turned off while charging during an activity” ?

    that is (was ?) a huge turn down in garmins

    will also wait to see how screen behave in full summer sun.

    But I’m glad I didn’t go into 920.

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  31. Andreas

    What about battery life, how long will it run in “normal” gps mode?

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  32. Gabriel

    What am I missing?

    What can the the 920xt do that this watch can’t?

    Reply
    • Gunnar

      Try Ray’s comparison tool and you can compare the different features of the watches.

      Reply
  33. Alan

    Fenix 3 looks great, Epix looks like a cheap Casio watch from the 80s.

    Reply
    • Zlatko

      Agree. Silly that the most expensive product is not the best looking one. without knowing the specs anyone would say F3 was the top of the range.

      Reply
    • rabbit

      I will buy/use the epix because of the funcionality, not because of the look…

      Reply
  34. Milton

    I wish garmin would concentrate on making these smaller and improved – apple can cram so much into such small places. Why cant they make a base model and add premium features rather than having all the various confusing separate models

    Reply
    • Tim Grose

      Apparently Apple has not managed to squeeze in a GPS to their watch. Go figure…

      Reply
    • Apple also has the advantage of being able to pressure other companies significantly with far higher sale volumes. That said, outside of the Apple/Samsung/Sony’s of the world, Garmin is pretty much as big as it gets in Fitness – hence why you see them pushing the boundaries more than others when it comes to fitting stuff hardware wise.

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  35. Aspirina

    Done! just preordered one via CT! Thanks Ray!
    #melikeshinythings

    BTW any idea if it allows charging during an activity like the F3?

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  36. Comparing spec sheets, there is virtually no difference in models aside from looks.

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  37. Alberto

    The million dollar questions is: how’s the navigation experience? Is the screen resolution high enough? Do the maps flow well on the screen? Is the waypoint navigation good?

    If all these things work well, this is the dream watch that I’ve always wanted!
    Am I the only one who sets constantly new running routes and doesn’t know whether to turn right or left at intersections and must stop to check my phone to see where I am?

    What do you think Ray, has Garmin rushed wrist navigation and made just another “Samsung” disappointing watch or this time it really works?

    Thanks!

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    • This isn’t so much a new thing to be honest for Garmin, it’s just a new form factor. They’ve been doing handheld navigation for years, so this is mostly a case of shrinking it down considerably.

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  38. Bart Bouse

    With 8 gb of space and bluetooth that can work at the same time as ant+, is there any reason an app couldn’t be developed for music on the Epix? 8gb was all the Motoactv needed for music and maps. Really, 1gb is plenty for a few hours of music and 2 gb will get you plenty of maps as well leaving more for apps, etc.

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    • Paul S

      I’ve been following along the trials and tribulations of early MonkeyC (Garmin’s app language) developers in the forums and I don’t think it’s up to that yet. Music files have to be decoded, and there’s no hardware audio chip in the Epix for that. So it’d have to be done in software. I suppose it’s technically possible, but don’t count on it. Better to just carry a phone or an iPod along if you want music, since they’re already designed for it.

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    • As Paul said, there’s no way to listen to said music on Epix.

      That said, all three devices – Epix, Fenix3 and Vivoactive – do support music control of your phone.

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  39. Greg

    Is Fenix 3 in any way better (or better choice)?

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    • Patrick

      The Fenix 3 is only better in looks (estetic view). From what I understand the 3 watches 920xt, fenix3 and epix are all in the same line where the 920 is the most basic, the fenix3 adds some extra’s and the epix adds all of the extra’s of the fenix3 and then some more (mainly the ability to use actual maps)

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    • The F3 does have WiFi, whereas Epix doesn’t. But otherwise, no.

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  40. Marc steingrand

    Hmm I am in trouble now wanted two buy the 920 but did not like the colors so I was waiting for other colers but now should I go for the Fenix 3 or the epix
    Are they maps for Brazil available?

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  41. ToniT

    Must be the ugliest looking watch Garmin has ever produced. This is the watch where wlan would make sense, but no. Tiny screen compared to the watch form factor. They should have used the development effort spent on this to something meaningful like new HR belt with HR under water or wireless charging or ultra-running easy plug&charge battery pack. If I would need map navigation, a would want a bit larger screen. This is a compromise.

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    • Alan

      I agree with you, this looks like a 90s Casio water and the bezel is much too huge. The Epix 2 will probably be out in 2015 and put these issues right. It doesn’t make sense that the F3 gets wifi and this doesn’t plus that the F3 is much more handsome.

      Reply
    • Vaughn

      You guys it’s not what’s on the outside where true beauty is found its what’s on the inside.

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    • Vaughn Burrows

      You guys it’s not what’s on the outside where true beauty is found its what’s on the inside.

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    • I think the pictures make it look uglier than it really is. I’ll try and find a way to make it look prettier in future photos.

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    • Martin R.

      I personally like the rugged industrial design of the Garmin Epix. Of course, functionality is paramount.

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    • rabbit

      I totally agree!

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  42. Jeroen V

    Add media player, decent working built in heart rate monitor and apple design(and logo) and we ‘ve got “the next big thing”.

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  43. Mike

    Hi! Can I use Garmin epix for Geocaching? :) and does it work well?

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    • Paul S

      Why not? It says it can. And who knows how well it will work, it’s not out yet.

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    • andreas

      … I did geocaching with my FR305 … so basically you can use any garmin gps device for geocaching that lets you store a waypoint and navigate to it.

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  44. Will Marchant

    I assume that the worldwide map in included when you get the USA 100k map edition. Is that correct?

    Reply
    • Correct. Of course, the worldwide basemap has the navigational usefulness of a piece of chewed gum on the sidewalk.

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  45. Jared

    This is the watch evolution/revolution I was always hoping for after the first Fenix. Time to start saving my pennies.

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  46. Ted W

    Another Q&A for those that had the F2 and now have the 920xt. Earlier forerunner version 405/610 etc and IMHO even the F2 are slow to respond in the very cold weather. It seems more than just slow screen refresh. button press contacts and overall operation seems quite delayed in the earlier forerunners and also at times on the F2. How is it on the 920xt? I would then speculate the F3 would not be any worse than the 920xt in very cold (single digits or below zero) temperatures.

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    • Tim Grose

      Can’t say have noticed any difference on the 920 in this regard. In the UK in recent weeks “very cold” is about 0 deg C however.

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    • Jan Junker

      I have been using the 920xt for several runs in cold weather (minus 5 or so) I have not noticed any problems with the watch. But on the other hand: I mostly run, and sometime look at currently heart rate and do not scroll around on the watch while running. When stopping, saving and looking everything seems to be responding like normal.

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  47. Niklas

    I wonder if the display realy is big enough to make a detailed map useful for serious outdoor navigation and if the watch will be fast enough with the detailed maps. If not i stick to my Oregon 550t for outdoor navigation purpous and keep my 920 for my training. But I guess Ray will review those thing i his deep review of the watch.

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    • Gunnar

      I’m wondering the same thing for on bike navigation following a route. I currently use a Garmin edge 705 and not sure I would want the screen any smaller for following a new route while riding.

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    • Niklas

      For fast biking, I think the screen i way to small. But maybe not for hiking/trekking?

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  48. WaTrailRunner

    I’d like to see maximum zoom scale in reviews. The issue is that if you are using a watch for trail running, something like the Sunnto Ambit2 only has a zoom in to 0.1 miles. That sounds pretty good until you figure out that that is 528 ft. The arrow can cover up a whole lot of land at 528 ft, e.g. if you have two lefts within a short space it can be hard to tell which to take. The Garmin 305 on the other hand zoomed in to 10 ft. I’m hoping the Epix is more in that ballpark.

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  49. Fareed D

    Hi Ray, does the navigation support turn-by-turn direction if I suddenly crave for a cupcake from a famous cupcakery while travelling in Paris by just looking up POIs on the map from Epix and away we go? Fenix/Fenix2 just show straight line to the destination.

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    • rabbit

      It depands, if you use a routable or an non routable map.

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    • Paul S

      That’s not why Fenix/Fenix 2 only do direct line navigation. First, they don’t officially support maps. Second, even if you could get a routable map on one, I’ll bet the device itself can’t use the metadata that allows routing along roads, even if it’s there. It’s all waypoint to waypoint straight line navigation on a Fenix.

      So will the Epix be a wrist-Nuvi? Ray’s table above says it is, and I assume he got that info from the Garmin reps. The Epix page at buy.gamin.com is a little more coy and doesn’t come right out and say it. On the other hand, they do offer pre-installed Topo US 100 k maps, and I believe those are routable (certainly the 24k versions are).

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  50. WI SBR

    This might be a remedial question but for recording interval what is the difference between 1S or smart and 1S to variable? Thanks!

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    • Paul S

      I can’t say for sure, since it’s not out yet and the manual isn’t available yet, but it may mean that it does what the original Fenix does. On the Fenix, you can set any fixed time or distance interval you want to record track points, down to 1 s or 0.01 mile.

      “Smart” usually means that the device itself decides when to record a track point depending on how curvy the track is. So on a straight road it may decide that every 5 seconds is good enough, while around a curve it may go back to 1 s. The recording interval is variable throughout the track.

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  51. Peter

    Does the touch screen only allow navigation of the maps feature? Any idea if touch capability can be turned off? I’m a little weary of having a touch screen while I’m riding/running and accidentally start clicking things I didn’t mean to. I can see the usefulness when out hiking or exploring, just not during a more active activity. Also, I wonder how well the screen works if it gets wet?

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    • Brian

      I’m hoping this is similar touchscreen to the Oregon 600 series (just smaller obviously). I’ve been pretty happy with the touchscreen performance on my Oregon 650, works well enough when wet (ie: significantly better than my iPhone) and does work with gloves.

      Garmin touchscreen handhelds (I’ve owned 2 different oregon devices) have the ability to lock the screen to input – I would sure hope they bring that feature over to the epix – it is a good option to have.

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  52. Brad

    Another asking if this will charge on the go and allow you to use the training/navigation functions while charging. Since it has the fenix3 functions I assume it will…any way to find out for sure?

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  53. Huso

    i feel like garmin betrayed already the 920xt. it is still not available from lots of sellers on amazon and yet to be received in many countries. i myself have been waiting it to become available from my trusted sellers. and i know lots of guys who have been waiting for it. but now the fenix3 and the epix, i think they’ll have a huge impact on the sales of the 920xt. i have changed my mind and decided to continue with my old pal 310xt till the epix become available.

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  54. Patrick

    I see the Epix does support Running Dynamics, but that there’s no bundle with Garmin’s HRM – and the standalone HRM price is apparently $50 higher than the bundled pricing with the 920XT and Fenix 3. What am I missing?

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    • Not missing anything. Just them raising prices a fair bit.

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    • Patrick

      What I mean is, the HRM is still $50 as part of a bundle (same price as before), but it’s apparently $100 standalone – and it seems like there’s no bundle available for Garmin’s top-of-the-line device. Do you have any idea if Garmin will eventually offer an HRM bundle with the Epix, or will that essentially represent a $50 tax for Epix buyers who actually want Garmin’s HRM?

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    • Patrick

      To add fuel to this (my personal 😉 ) fire, I’ve seen several high-profile sources (like PC World) report from Garmin’s CES announcements that the HRM-Run can be paired with any of the three new devices (Vivoactive, Fenix 3, Epix) for $50 extra. I’m trying to discern sure whether this is sloppy/inaccurate reporting, or indications of a bundle that just hasn’t been announced yet (possibly due to the later anticipated ship date for Epix).

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    • There’s no current plans for an Epix bundle (at least when I reconfirmed again yesterday). Obviously, things could change by time it hits products, as that would be a trivial change from a SKU standpoint.

      I do agree that it’s odd to sorta ‘punish’ both your high end purchasers (Epix & F3 Sapphire) by charging $100 extra vs $50 extra normally needed for the HR bundle.

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    • Patrick

      Thanks, Ray – as always, great work. That’s exactly the perspective I was looking for. At this point, I’ll probably just go with a Fenix 3 bundle, anyway, rather than wait an extra month or so on the Epix. Even tho I want the hiking and land navigation features, I’m still a big fan of physical maps. 😉

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  55. Tim B

    Hi Ray,

    Awesome as always! Is this true that the Epix has less swimming features than the 920XT?

    3:22 – link to m.youtube.com

    What other 920XT features, aside from WIFI, would it not have? Would it also be true to the F3?

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    • No, it’s not true, there’s no differences there – it’s the exact same codebase. Another error in his video as well is his comments on waterproof ratings, which aren’t correct. Also, temperature measurement that he noted is a wash, it’ll be taken care of soon via Connect IQ.

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  56. Johann

    Hi Ray,
    Do we know if the these three models still have the same GPS chipset like the Fenix2, the MediaTek chipset ?
    Fenix 2 is probabely the worst and most expensive watch I have bought ;o(
    And I will never buy watch with this chipset anymore.
    The Epix looks very intereting for trail !
    Waiting on the Epix review 😀

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    • Alan

      It won’t do as the new one also uses GLONASS so will be very quick to lock with much better accuracy.

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  57. David

    Hi Ray
    I don´t know how the payment works. Does Garmin make you pay a monthly fee for the maps or is it a one time purchase?

    Reply
    • One time purchase (point in time for the maps), for most map sets. For the Birdseye maps it’s an annual fee.

      Again though, tons of free maps out there that in many cases are just as good as Garmin’s paid ones.

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  58. Naomi

    Hi Ray,

    Thanks a lot for your good Job again

    May I ask you please:

    1. Has Epix Metronom?

    2. Does touch works like in FR 620 ?
    (meaning, can I scroll through whole menu only using touch or is thre a combination of thouch and button push ?

    3. Nummers and letters on display of Epix seem more grey than black and not so clear and good readable as
    on FR 920 display. Right?

    Thanks a lot in advance for your answer!
    Herzallerliebst! Naomi

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  59. Frank D

    Pretty close to my ideal watch since it is multi sport, could handle some maps for hiking and emergency navigation.

    Just needs a little bit more smarts and/or apps to deal with weather, local tides, weather alerts for wind & waves, severe weather alerts.

    I’m assuming the data sets for those would be small enough that bluetooth can sync / push it?

    But then will the Connect IQ app support that?

    The current available apps & faces don’t inspire, but I hope that will change soon, as more stuff gets added or ported.

    Also, I looked at the rip curl gps surf watch, but they never even responded back to me with regards to multi-sport (wind, kite, sup, etc) vs pure wave surfing.

    Can’t wait for the review.

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  60. rabbit

    Please some more photos from the epix. I`d like to see a photo from the backside,too

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  61. Jose

    Any idea if the epix might support at least basic street routing and read POIs, assuming that specific Openstreet maps, or city navigator maps are installed?, Garmin feature page only mentions: Track Navigation – Navigation assistance for loaded or saved tracks. That would be a missing feature for someone coming from an outdoor type unit such as an oregon, but willing to sacrifice on screen size…

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  62. Roman

    Are opensea maps supported as well?

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  63. Stephane

    Hi Ray and all good people right here!
    Good job Ray once again for this “quick” review. Have you been able to spend more time with it?

    I’m currently possessing a Polar V800 (who is on sale on Ebay) and a new Garmin 920xt.
    I currencly use it for multi-sport (Triathlon) and many others sports like spinning class and Winter Pentathlon (bike, run, X-Ski, Skating and Snowshoes running) here in Québec city.
    I’ve also à Outdoor company witch I frequenly use my iphone for traking and maping. But with the low battery efficacity on the iphone, I’m thinking to switch to the new Garmin Epix. Will it be a good move? I need to be able to track some waypoint, see hike path, and download/upload waypoint, and for sure, all the triathlon fonction that the 920 already have and who are prensent in Epix.

    Thx for your help,
    Steph

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  64. rabbit

    The epix also supports blue-chart g2 maps – this maps includes, as far as I know, tides, so the epix should support tides?

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  65. Chris

    Thanks for posting more photos of the Fenix 3. Would love to see more of the Epix, particularly some on wrist and in comparison to the 920xt.

    On a side note, the lack of HRM bundle may push me to the Fenix 3. Bad decision by Garmin.

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  66. Chris

    Would also be very interested in a short menu walkthrough video similar to the fenix 3 one recently posted.

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  67. Chris

    Is the Epix battery better than that in the Fenix 1? My Fenix 1 had a battery life close to the 16 hours advertised when I bought it, but within about 6-8 months it was down to about 5-6 hours battery life with the GPS on. I love the Epix, but I don’t want to spend $500+ on a watch that will be useless in 6 months because the battery won’t last long enough to do what I want.

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  68. rabbit

    Is the usb/charging cable the same as for the fenix3? What about the readability of the display with maps in the sunlight? Good or ok or…? What about maps on the epix: if I put f. e. a cn nt and a topo map from the same area on the f3, can I choose, which one I like to see…?

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    • 1) The Epix and Fenix3 charging cables are different. I’ve gotta add in a picture above of the Epix charging cable (and the F3 and F2 cables are also different).

      2) No issues reading maps in bright Vegas sunlight on the Epix.

      3) No maps on the F3 (at all).

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    • rabbit

      Thanks! Sorry, my mistake-I meant the epix for maps of the same area.

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    • rabbit

      Picture!? It is good that the User is able to charge the unit during an activity. I hope that it is an angered cable?

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    • No problem, I just created a small gallery in the post with 8 more photos. I don’t really have much else photo wise beyond that. But this includes the charging connector and some of the zoom functionality: link to dcrainmaker.com

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    • Paul Stansel

      Thanks Ray that’s an interesting connector. I wish manufacturers would just use micro USB :(

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    • Yeah, the main reason for lack of micro-USB is the waterproofing aspect. Most micro and mini USB connectors can only be waterproofed to IPX7 standards (1-meter deep for 30 minutes), which tends to fail eventually.

      Polar with their M400 tried out a relatively new connector (micro-USB) that’s 50M waterproofed. It was sorta a ‘hope this works out in real life’ type of gamble. So far it’s worked. I expect you’ll see other companies follow along as well. While some might think companies like Garmin would benefit from extra accessory sales, in reality it doesn’t really work out. The additional SKU’s to stock and create tend to wash that away for a company like Garmin, which is different from an Apple or similar where people would likely by multiple cables to have in a variety of locales.

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    • Paul Stansel

      Thanks for the explanation I hadn’t thought of it that way. I’m just glad they are giving us in activity charging :)

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    • Tim B

      Thanks Ray for the pics! I want one already! I hope they release one with a bundled HRM-RUN.

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  69. Georg

    Hi,
    Having gone through the comparison Chart betw. 920xt, fenix3 and epix: I don’t understand, what the Advantage of fenix3 is over epix (besides wifi) and over 920xt (which is much lighter and has wifi too)
    Pl. clarify. Rgds, Georg

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  70. Thanks for the great reviews you do on these products – they have been very helpful in the past! I am a photographer and use my Fenix for recording track-logs in order to geotag my photos. If I am on a road-trip and get out of my truck to take some photos, with the original Fenix it takes just two presses of the orange menu button to activate the GPS and when I am done, another two presses to stop it again – very convenient and easy on batteries too. When I originally bought my Fenix, it had a defective compass (would not calibrate) and I exchanged it and “upgraded” to a Fenix 2. However its entire fitness-oriented UI drove me nuts, even after trying to get used to it for nearly a week. Far to many button presses to do the simple things I needed, missing some key features I used (no sunset alarm, no GPX file saving – only FIT-, no fine tuning of Ultra-Trac intervals etc.) and a difficult to read LCD on top of that. It bugged me so much in fact, that I exchanged it again for another Fenix 1, which has been working perfectly for me.

    I am wondering how easy it is to switch the GPS on and off in the Epix? I am tempted to pre-order one but if it takes too many button pushes to do this, that will really bug me. The original Fenix seemed more hiking oriented than the newer models and it has a feature set and UI that I generally find very convenient for my needs. However, having some higher end hiking-class features (a breadcrumb trail overlaying a topo map would be really nice!) might mean I can leave my Garmin Montana behind more often, unless I am going on a much longer hike away from the truck where I’d want a backup…

    Patiently trying to wait for Garmin to publish a PDF manual, but as you mentioned the firmware is still in flux so probably too early to do so…

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    • Dear Mike,

      Did you ever find out if Epix is better for photography/hiking?

      I’m also a photographer who uses the Fenix1 for all the same reasons you’ve pointed out, but in addiition, I load GPS navigation maps onto my Fenix 1. Not for turn-by-turn car navigation, but navigation for hiking on trails. Have you tried this feature?

      I’ve used it successfully with maps from:
      http://www.gmaptool.eu and link to garmin.openstreetmap.nl

      I’ve heard these Ordnance Survey style maps are supposed to be compatible, but I’ve not yet tested it out.
      link to talkytoaster.co.uk

      I was surprised that Garmin nobbled the Fenix range by dropping mapping on its subsequent models. Real shame, but I guess it would have taken business away from their other mapping products.

      Anthony

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  71. michael

    Love your work Ray.
    Can the Gamin epix screen divide into 4 data fields for running as the 920 XT does?

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  72. Sal

    The Epix contains 8 GB storage.
    Would it be technically possible to develop a media-player app (Connect IQ) to play music stored on the watch and send it via bluetooth to head-/earphones?

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    • Not at this point, as the unit doesn’t permit Bluetooth connections to headphones directly. It of course can control music on your phone though.

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    • jeff

      Will the Bluetooth work with iPod nano?

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    • Brian

      not the nano, but iPod Touch 5th gen is supported, (or iPhone 4S and up, recentish iPad,etc).

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  73. Scott

    So I noticed something today using the Garmin Compare tool for the Epix vs Garmin’s other fitness devices is that for the Epix Garmin has added a “Swim Workouts” feature.

    I’m wondering if this is something that will be exclusive to the Epix or is it something that can/may be brought to other (recently released) fitness devices like the 920XT via a firmware update.

    Because it is something that in my opinion that has been missing (and been asked for) a long time and it would be nice to see it come to at least the multisport devices not just the newest device and honestly would be downright annoying if the new (for all of about 2 months by the time it made it to the most people) didn’t get that feature.

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  74. Chang

    The website does not mention anything about 10,000 points per track like most Garmin GPS units do.
    It only states 8GB built in memory.
    What is the maximum number of points that can be stored in a track?

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  75. Tim B

    Hi Ray!

    Can you post photos of the Epix similar to what you did for the F3? Can you post photos of 920XT and Epix side by side of the different data screens of running, cycling, swimming and different configurations of the clock/time screen? Thanks a lot!

    Reply
    • I would love to…except the product honestly just isn’t to the point of being able to yet (getting the shots I had required slightly more effort than I expected). I suspect they’ll be on the outer edge of the Q1 timeframe.

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  76. rabbit

    Is your light working?

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  77. rabbit

    Forget it. I meant, the current fw of the epix seems to be very beta and it will take some time and I think II. Q 2015 is realistic- if I have interpreted your post correctly

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  78. florin

    Seem that all companies with multiple products or multiple product lines have the same marketing strategy as the car makers when add features on the models, don’t mix features that will do cannibalism between models. I looked at their handheld lines, the Map64 and Map62, they are like cars, camera or no camera, barometric or no barometric sensor, etc.

    As for Garmin, WiFi is a selling point, maps is a selling point, sapphire is a selling point.
    – Adding WiFi on the Epix will be stealing Fenix3 sells (aside from the fact that WiFi most likely doesn’t fit on the Epix, its space was taken by the 8GB of memory).
    – Keeping basic maps on the Fenix3 (like on the Fenix/Fenix2) will steal sells form the Epix and definitely from the Fenix2, as some people will do fine with basic maps for routing or orientation in a big city. Garmin knows this and still wants to sell Fenix2 for a while, so maybe some time later, when the sales figures look good and Fenix2 will no longer be produced, add some basic mapping (unsupported) like it used to be on the Fenix/Fenix2. The functionality is there, just ported/enabled in the firmware.
    What’s missing?
    Garmin needs to release a top of the line Epix with WiFi, titanium, sapphire and audio play through bluetooth headphones. And throw some maps for free.

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  79. Ben

    How is the navigation featured compared to the Etrex Series?
    For example:
    1. Can you choose a point to navigate to?
    2. can you build a route on the watch?

    The biggest drawback, IMO, is that you can’t switch AA batteries :)
    That would make it a real multi-day/expedition watch.

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    • Alan

      I’m also very interested if when looking at the map that you can see a nearby POI and tap it to select it and then ‘Navigate to’ or similar. Was this available Ray on the beta software?

      Reply
    • The beta software was a bit…rough. So it wasn’t something I was able to test well (or much).

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  80. Steph

    Hi Ray,
    Any news on last update on the Epix? How it’s works right now? Are we closer to a beta firmware?
    I’ve place my order of the Epix on CleverTraining but didn’t get any news yet.

    Thx,
    Stephane

    Reply
    • Epix was announced at being Q1 (so anytime before March 31st). I don’t think we’re that much closer at this point (still January). I expect that if Epix hits that date (March 31st), then it’ll be at the very last moment.

      Thanks for the support via Clever Training, I appreciate it!

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  81. Mark

    Ray, do you have any idea what the “swim workout” feature mentioned on the Garmin website is expected to include? I’m pretty sure I want a fenix, but this could tempt me.

    Reply
    • It’s to support Connect IQ apps that may want to offer such a capability.

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    • Tim B

      Hi Ray,

      Am I right to presume that that Connect IQ app will be available to Fenix 3 and 920XT as well? Will there be apps, swimming, running, cycling, that will only be implemented on the Epix because of its hardware?

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    • Mark

      Thanks.

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    • It’d be up to whomever made the app to code it to support both rectangle (920XT/Epix) and round watches (Fenix3).

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  82. Chris

    Are the only maps it can use TOPO type ones or ones like British ordinance survey ones possible.?

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  83. Tim B

    Hi Ray,

    I’m not sure if this has been asked already but is the Epix also limited to 12 Activity Profiles just like the 920XT?

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    • Tim B

      Corrrection:
      Will the Epix be limited to 10 individual sport activity profiles and 5 multisport activity profiles?

      Reply
    • I don’t know at this point to be honest, and don’t have an Epix to test on currently (and would be hesitant to say authoritatively with the Epix still probably close to 2 months out). Sorry!

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  84. After inquiring on status of all recently announced products, here’s where things stand from their standpoint:

    Fenix3: On target for delivery in Q1-2015, likely late Feb/Early March.
    Epix: The very edge of Q1-2015, potentially just into April.
    Vivofit2: Estimated late February.
    Vivoactive: Estimated Mid to late March.
    Vivo Signature bands: Estimated mid to late March.

    (As a reminder: Here’s the order of events that has to happen for any Garmin product to be shipped: link to dcrainmaker.com)

    Thanks all!

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  85. Alan

    Hi Ray, what does the admission of Wifi on the Epix mean apart from it obviously won’t upload of workouts automatically? Does this have impact to the Connect IQ ecosystem or only auto uploading of workouts?

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    • Alan

      For example I saw a mock up of a stocks app – would this update directly via the watches wifi or have to work via the smartphone sending this across?

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    • Tim B

      I would also like to know if there are any impacts of not having wifi aside from syncing device.

      Reply
    • No impact on Connect IQ, since that doesn’t have access to the WiFi chip anyway.

      For uploading of workouts, it’ll use the phone with the Garmin Connect Mobile app to automatically upload completed workouts (as long as the app is on in the background). Same goes for apps/widgets that need a data connect (such as the stocks app), it does that through the phone.

      Outside of syncing and firmware updates, there aren’t really any limitations there. I see it more as a lost opportunity than anything. Given WiFi is much more suitable for map updates, I would have seen a scenario where you can select/buy/whatever maps using the phone app, and then have the watch leverage WiFi to download/pull those automatically.

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  86. Horst

    Hi,

    how it looks with a Quick Release Kit for the Epix ?

    Regards Horst

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  87. Thomas

    Hi, specs page at Garmin website states that Watch supports 24K and 100K topo maps, also when looking up supported devices for those maps on Garmin website. But what about the topo pro line of maps covering most of europe? They are not mentioned and the epix is not mentioned in the “supported devices” list for those maps. The Watch is more or less useless (with Garmin maps) in europe if the topo pro line maps are not supported

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    • rabbit

      The german webside says, that it will support topo pro maps.

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  88. George

    Hi Ray,
    I am new to this but spent some time reading through your excellent reviews.
    Can the EPIX be considered as an EDGE (1000 or 810) replacement, albeit with a smaller screen for navigation when City Navigator NT maps are loaded to it?
    Thanks
    George

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    • No, unless something changed Epix won’t do streetname routing (i.e. “Turn left on Maple in 200ft”), but rather track based routing. That said, we know some Connect IQ apps actually do offer exactly that, so I do see a scenario where this could be a replacement. Examples of one of those apps here: link to dcrainmaker.com

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  89. rabbit

    On the german garmin epix homepage they wrote about the epix:

    “The epix even provides routing functions with turn directions when using routable maps.”

    It`s clear, that the epix will not “speak” to us, but show us turn directions. Or is it a mistake on the german epix homepage?

    link to buy.garmin.com

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  90. George

    Hi,
    Thank you for the quick responses. I will keep reading the forum to see what the product group states.
    Thanks
    George

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    • Guido

      I’m waiting patiently for the Epix to come out in Europe but maybe this helps anwering Rabbit’s question about using routable maps:

      This routable map for the Epix (see link) also has the epix as comaptible device…one would say it can show you the way…

      link to buy.garmin.com

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    • So they confirmed it does support routable maps. In my discussion I asked whether or not it did routing “like” the Edge units (i.e. Edge 810). They noted they were hesitant to use the term ‘like’ because the screen size was different and that the experience would be slightly different. But that ultimately it would give turn by turn directions.

      I suspect the reason they’re a bit concerned on giving exacts is that the code probably simply isn’t done yet (or at all), and thus they don’t have anything to shoot me of what it looks like.

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  91. rabbit

    Clever training also writes: “Auto route with turn-by-turn direction on roads (when using TOPO U.S. 24K or City Navigator NT maps) ” :)

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  92. Adi Gerblich

    The navigation capability is interesting. However, if it shows a turn and doesn’t identify the street name, you have no assurance that the direction is correct. Will it show upcoming turn (distance & time) like the Edge 810?

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  93. Gurter

    Is there any rumours of Garmin bringing out watches with a PLB function (emergency locator)? If this watch had that I’d drop my Fenix2 and buy it in a heartbeat

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  94. Alan

    I just pre-ordered this – so much or waiting for Ray’s review. Sorry Ray!

    Main concern is the map implementation – I’m not willing to suffer sluggish redraws or blank sections of the map where it has just been panned/zoomed into view and won’t redraw in real time until I stop messing. This would earn a return to retailer from me.

    Unfortunately, I’m worried about Garmin’s ability to implement, especially within 6 months of launch. They are not Samsung or Apple. I guess we will see.

    Any idea Ray when you will get a unit back for some more early impressions?

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    • I’d suspect not until at last sometime in March. Assume that they ship in April (that’s the current estimate, so, it’s also an assumption).

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  95. David Nicolau

    Hey Ray,
    You, having seen both the Fenix3 and Epix, how do you feel about the size of the Epix compared to the Fenix3? It doesn’t look much bigger. I’m trying to decide which one I want. Which one would be better for hiking, kayaking and a little running? Got a bike computer, but which one for hiking, kayaking would be better? (size, mapping)

    thanks
    Nor Ca. 65 and sunny
    Bamboo

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    • Paul S

      If maps is what you want, then the Epix is your only choice. The Fenix 3 doesn’t support maps at all.

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    • Alan

      Could buy an earlier Fenix which you could easily put some maps onto, even if it was officially not supported.

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    • Paul S

      Yes, but there’s a big difference between a device with a 4 gray screen and 20 Mb of free space and one with a 64 color screen and 8 Gb of free space. I have roughly a Pennsylvania county’s worth of maps on my Fenix. When my Epix arrives with the 100k topo’s for the entire US, I’m also planning on putting my 24k Northeast Topo’s on as well (leaving the 100k on), and maybe some OSM maps. I’m curious to find out whether the Epix will do terrain shading with the Garmin topo maps to bring out the relief.

      On the other hand, although I haven’t checked the price of a Fenix 1 recently, I’ll bet it costs roughly half as much these days as an Epix and is available right now.

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    • Tim B

      Hi Paul,

      What is the point of getting the 100k map if I’m getting the 24k maps? Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.

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    • Paul S

      Basically I’m assuming that it’s the same difference as between USGS 100k and 24k topo paper maps. There’s a lot more detail in the 24k maps at the expense of coverage. I ordered the Epix with 100k topos because they cover the entire US, and because they were only $50 more. I already own the 24k maps for the Northeast, which I bought for my Edge 800, and which cover roughly the states east of the Mississippi and north of the Ohio. Since they came unlocked and without restrictions on the number of devices, it’s a no-brainer to put them on my Epix when it arrives in April. The 100k is for the rest of the country (I know I’ll be in Hawaii at some point this year).

      Of course, if the 100k’s take up too much space on the Epix, and Garmin is ridiculous about them (locking them to the device so I can’t install them on my computer or even store a copy there) then I might just toss them. But it’s worth the risk for only $50, when they cost around $100 by themselves.

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    • Brian

      Long time Garmin Handheld user, and I never pay for Garmin maps. There are great options out there that are free, and just as good quality as Garmin’s offering in my opinion (but do lack neat 3D shading features for you, if that is important to you). link to gpsfiledepot.com

      Takes a tad more work to download each of the state, but worth it in my mind. I’ve used both the SD, UT, and CO 2011 maps from that list, and they are good.

      But, I’d certainly say look for 24k. Much more detail, much better quality. And 8 GB is really quite a bit of room. Probably not every state, but more than a few.

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  96. rabbit

    The fenix 3 is an 24/7 watch, the epix is a watch for special applications like hiking etc. and if you want (detailed) maps on your watch- it is not necessarily a 24/7 watch.

    So I think the epix is the better choice for really demanding outdoor activities like hiking, biking etc. The f3 is a beauty, the epix not- but has great features for outdoor and it is for my needs the better choice.

    But this is only my opinion.

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    • Tim B

      Hi Rabbit,

      Doesn’t the Epix come with an activity tracker feature just like the FR920XT and Fenix 3? If it does, then I think it can also be 24/7 watch if size and weight are not issues.

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  97. rabbit

    Yes it come with all the features of the 920xt/f3 (exclude wifi- Garmin: why?)- but it is a little bit bigger/thicker and no beauty – of course you can wear it 24/7 (and I will certainly do)….

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  98. Alan

    Ray will Garmin be at MWC next week showing off their new kit again but perhaps with more than four working pages?

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    • They are there, though I don’t know if they’ll have an Epix onhand (I’d bet so). But you can be assured it’s on my list to stop-by and get updated photos if so.

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    • Tim B

      Ray,

      Looking forward to more photos and info.

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    • Brian

      Make sure to bring the rolling pin along!

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    • Alan

      Curious if they can give you a European launch date…I’m hearing mid-late April here from a retailer. Also interested in how they have implemented the map, is it fluid with prompt redraws or a bit waity. Can you interact with it by tapping POIs and get options such as ‘navigate to’, ‘measure distance to’ etc.

      I’m very demanding I know Ray, but I know you can deliver 😉

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  99. Chris

    Cancelled my F3 pre-order(s) and ordered an F2SE from REI. At least it will have some mapping capability and ability to show routes/tracks on the display when not navigating. Both are important features to me.

    I’m hoping the EPIX will be a viable replacement or someone will find a way to show tracks on the F3 display when they are not being navigated. Otherwise, I’ll stick with the F2SE for a while.

    I think Garmin made a mistake to drop the mapping and other features that were in the F2 (gps sat view screen), etc. Some say it’s the shift to the 920 base, but mapping is in the EPIX, which is on the same 920 base, so I see it as more of a marketing decision.

    Really looking forward to hearing about the differences found between the F3 and Epix.

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  100. Newt

    Ray, debating whether or not I will bring back my F3 for the Epix. I am a big hiker, and love navigation features on the F1, F2.
    Will the Epix have those features that the F1/2 had but 3 loss or will it be the same watch with just no wifi and map features?

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    • Alan

      I think Ray’s article on this page makes things just about as clear as they can be.

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    • Newt

      Actually he said its still a little bit from release so hes not sure about certain things. All Im asking is will the Epix have the missing features of the F3 (F1/2 Tactix) or has Garmin just thrown those other features away and never plan to use them ever again.
      Is the only difference between the Epix is
      -No wifi
      -has 8gb Memory
      -touchscreen
      -maps

      Is that it?

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    • It’s just too soon to know for Epix. I think we’re probably at least 45-60 days away. In the same way that it’s too soon to know if they’ll add in some of the ‘lost’ F1/F2 features.

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    • rabbit

      Sounds like 05/15 as release date?

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    • It could very well be next week..but Garmin had already adjusted guidance to ‘early April’ a month ago, and I suspect most of that teams focus has been on the F3 the last few weeks. While there is much crossover, the reality is that manufacturing spin-up and what not will still take time, just like the F3. And they’re unlikely to want to shift manuf capacity away from F3 until the last moment.

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    • Thomas

      Hi, what are hose differences you are refering to? I am not sure what specific functions from fenix1/2 that is missing in fenix3

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    • See the Fenix3 In-depth Review, there’s a full section on it.

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  101. rabbit

    Perhaps you can ask the develloper team to add sat constellation page, sat signal strength and an elevation plot preview for tracks with elevation data…(before and also during a hike)…

    Thanks
    rabbit

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    • Alan

      I’m sure they already would add this as it’s on the fenix and forerunner lines which this will incorporate almost all of the feature sets from.

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  102. BL

    Preordered mine a cpl weeks ago! Ready to get my hands on one :-) i keep checking back here to see if there are any updates because this site is always on top of it. Finally replacing my old 310xt :D. I was about to get the 920 when I saw this.

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  103. Brian

    So how concerned should I be that there are 0 ‘apps’ listed for the Epix, yet some for the also-yet-to-be-released vivoactive? I realize they are just starting to trickle out today, and it’s a good 6+ weeks until available, but this is what makes me question if F3 or Epix has potential to get ignored in the ConnectIQ market.

    Skywatch looks fun – hope cool stuff like that will come to Epix too…

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    • Not at all concerned. Most developers honestly wouldn’t even bother to focus on Epix till it releases, luckily, I’d expect most FR920XT will be tweaked to support it.

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  104. rabbit

    Don´t worry! Until the epix will be released, there will be out apps for it.
    And the good thing, the apps are tested on the current devices and up to date:)

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    • Alan

      Looks like the early days of the Android apps store with loads of low quality junk.

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    • Brian

      or the present day with Suunto… I see great potential with ConnectIQ once things get rolling though.

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  105. rabbit

    Hallo dc rainmaker,

    just a short question: do you know, if garmin has got final production units of the epix or if they still having pre production units?

    best regards

    rabbit

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  106. braindancer

    Hey Ray,

    This watch looks quite interesting for backpacking. In your opinion, how usable is it on a hike without a smartphone? I am trying to minimize the weight I carry, and was considering preloading the maps and ditching the phone altogether.

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    • There isn’t a lot of interaction with the smartphone and the watch at this point. That’s since Basecamp mobile appears not to be supported for newer devices, and realistically GCM won’t help you much once you’ve started the hike (in terms of mapping or creating new routes). So basically, there’s no added benefit to the phone once you’ve left the trailhead.

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    • Paul S

      Do you know for sure if that’s going to be true with Epix as well? Is BaseCamp mobile abandonware? I actually like and use the fact with my Fenix 1 that Connect (and Express) pays attention only to fit files and BaseCamp only to gpx. So I can keep tracks off of Garmin Connect but still see them in BaseCamp simply by recording in gpx only, and if I want them to go automatically to Connect I record in fit as well or exclusively. I guess we don’t know yet what Epix will record?

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    • braindancer

      Cool, thanks. Now it only remains to be seen how capable the routing is (waypoints and all that).

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  107. Alan

    Can you use thin, say cycle gloves with this baby?

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    • BL

      I assume not, I think it is a glass screen which would be capacitive and you would need smart gloves to use the touch screen function. :)

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    • Alan

      Possible but I’m not so sure – it’s a hiking watch and although it’s dual input (screen/buttons), hikers wear gloves, especially over a couple of thousand meters. Ray speaks to Garmin so might be able to clarify for us…

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    • Brian

      Totally possible. Their Oregon 600 handheld line uses a glass capacitive touch screen that very much works with gloves (including my Black Diamond Guide gloves – though with that large of a glove, precision is somewhat problematic….). Thin cycling gloves work much better.

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    • Alan

      I’m hoping for something like that. Fat ski gloves would cover the entire screen anyway so would be useless (except for swipe) even if they did register input.

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  108. Alan

    Looks like another blog has got ahold of a pre production version and are about to write up on it.

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  109. BL

    I want this thing to come out!! I preordered mine and I hope I get it by 4/17 – I am taking a trip out west (from S. Indiana) and would love to have it while hiking!

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    • rabbit

      Garmin says now on their homepage “5 to 8 weeks”

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    • Paul S

      My weekly email from Clever Training said they now expect it mid-May.

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    • Yes, things have been pushed back on that front unfortunately.

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    • BL

      Is mid may the current eta?

      That stinks but I would rather them release a polished unit rather than releasing too early :)

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  110. phil

    Just saw that the epix was finally up for preorder on the REI. I did a live chat to see when to expec the watch and they said “April 10th” I know some rumors have said May now but REI did start shipping a month before everyone else in terms of the Fenix 3. Just something to think about

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    • Brian

      Just in time to cash in on Dividends too… :)

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  111. Mat

    Hi Ray,

    First, thank you for your quite amazing commitment in related fitness-running tech today’s products. I’d just say one thing : it helps. It helps a lot.

    A specific question about heart rate monitoring : I used to have a Suunto Ambit 3 Peak – saled again yesterday – and I was disappointed by the following thing : it is not possible to monitor heart rate without having starting an exercise. Specially, if you stop running, for example, you cannot monitor your HR as soon as you have stopped the “exercise” in the watch. Same thing if ever you would like to monitor your HR during day’s activities, without starting an exercise on the watch.
    I would like to know, if you ever have the answer, if I wear, for instance, the optical HR sensor Schoch connected to a Garmin Fenix 3 or Epix, would I be able to monitor my HR without starting a specific exercise already programmed in the watch ?

    Thanks.
    Mathieu, Paris.

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    • Virtually all Garmin products allow you to still access the data pages even after you’ve pressed stop in an activity (but not yet saved).

      However, for what you’re looking for – it would require you start an activity (even if just an indoor one). There’s no continual background monitor at this time. I think it might be technically possible for someone to create a widget for one via Connect IQ, but I’m not 100% sure there.

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    • Paul S

      Every Garmin device I own will show, say, heart rate as soon as it’s connected with my heart rate belt, whether or not it’s recording an activity. On the Fenix 1, it even becomes a part of the non-activity page rotation (I just switched to my XC Skiing profile, and it now shows HR and Temperature in the rotation, with of course a double line since the sensors aren’t actually connected). But none of them record heart rate (or anything else) until you start an activity. So if you’re just looking to see heart rate every now and then, keep your ANT+ HR sensor on and you’ll (probably, since I don’t have my Epix yet) be able to see your HR. If you want a recording of HR vs time, though, you’ll need to start an activity.

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    • Mat

      Thanks Ray and Paul for your answers. In a way, the fact that with Garmin, HR shows as soon a sensor is connected, activity started or not, is reassuring.
      On the Ambit 3, I didn’t found a way of doing it.

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  112. A

    The 920XT was a dead line as it came out. Instead of developing the software on 910XT, Garmin released the 920XT.
    Yes, the 920XT thinner, has a color display (kids will love it), but whose priority is to make the activity traceable on social media (want to do a sport or chat on FakeBuke)?
    The 910XT software has been neglected since Nov 2014, when the swim metric data issue appeared. Now, March 2015, there is still no SW update. Developing new models, Garmin meanwhile dropped Tanita.

    Long story short, this Epic seems to be a fair replacement of 910XT. The one and only question, does it support Tanita scales?

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    • Not quite sure on your timelines. The FR910XT got a number of updates over the first three years, then the FR920XT was introduced basically three years later. I’m not entirely sure what you’re referring to on a FR910XT swim issue, as nobody else has complained here, and I don’t see anything on the Garmin Forums in the first page pages (last few months). Perhaps I’m missing something.

      Garmin hasn’t supported Tanita scales for almost two years now (on new models). In large part because basically they just aren’t bought/used. That said, Tanita has noted via Twitter a week or two ago that they will be introducing a widget for Connect IQ that will support it. They haven’t specified a timeframe.

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    • A

      I reported that a 910XT does not record Minimal strokes for pool swimming and some more data also. I do not know either whether it was a subject of discussion on other forums, but their support wrote me:

      “We have been able to review your activities from your Garmin Connect account, and can confirm that the information you have identified as missing, is indeed missing. We apologize if this creates any inconvenience to you. At this time, we have created a product issue case in which the Subject Matter Export for this device will be forwarded, and will investigate this issue. We will continue to be in contact with you, as we may have some additional questions for you in the process of investigating your case.

      So it looks like they have added you to another case, it seems there are a few other people having the same problem. It looks like they are still working on it and hoping to release a software update for Garmin Connect to fix it. I put a note in there for them to update you and the other customers.”

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    • A

      On a topic of updates…
      In year 2009 when I was a 310XT owner, I begged to Garmin to add a custom activity and user defined GPS recording time (except the smart recording and every second rec). My request came out from a fact, that I was using the device for climbing and Via ferratas, where movements are slow and very frequent GPS recording is not desirable.
      Then I switched to 910XT and I begged for the same. Of course it was ignored.
      When Garmin released the 920XT they triumphantly announced it’s possibility to add custom activity and user defined GPS recording.

      The last software update of the 910XT came out on September 2013. Nothing since then.
      Why they would not mark a product as discontinued if no support is given on the device?

      They also developed a modern look of the Garmin Connect. It does not support Tanita scales and it is impossible to view old records at this look. The only advantage of this look is the possibility to add gears (running shoes, bikes, etc.)
      The question is, was there any case when Garmin was listening to their user’s demand and requests or everything is driven by an internal believe?

      Who needed Garmin Express? Not only not supporting Tanita scales, but will destroy the communication protocol between Healthy Edge and the scale. The scale is then not recognized and Garmin Express must be uninstalled to make it work again…

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    • Paul S

      I need Garmin Express. It makes my life much simpler. Plug in a device, wait a little while, and everything is automatically transferred to various sites (GC, Strava, SportTracks). When there’s a firmware update, Express will tell me and install it. Much better than the old days where I manually uploaded because the Communicator Plugin was so slow. (Garmin’s dropping of the Communicator Plugin was not entirely their idea, by the way, but motivated by the fact that Firefox and Chrome have dropped support for plugins.) There’s at least a backdoor way for now for measurements from my Withings scale to make it to GC, although I wish that Garmin and Withings would just start working directly together.

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    • A

      Understand your point, just a few remarks…
      Connect Dahsboard also displays a message when a new firmaware update is ready. However this functionality was not working properly on Express and on Connect Dashboard either. I got the message that new update is ready even if my device was running on the latest one. For this reason I used to check weekly the direct website (link to buy.garmin.com) for updates. As I wrote, there is no new update since 9/2013.

      I upload hiking, climbing and ferrata activities to Sports-Tracker only, there is a possibility to add pictures. For such activities this makes sense.
      I do not need to synchronize all activities. Strava, Sports-Tracker allows to select from the FIT file stored under Documents…

      From browsers I use Firefox without any issues. IE is a tragedy/joke…

      The main problem with Express is, that it kills the communication protocol, the old channel with ANT+ turned on won’t work at all!
      Let me describe the structure, how it was working…
      You made one Tanita scale measurement with the Forerunner, ANT+ plugged, disabled.
      Then you made a second scale measurement within Healthy Edge software, still ANT+ plugged, disabled.
      When enabling the ANT+, the measurement from Forerunner is transferred to Healthy Edge software and to Garmin Connect also. If you have a My Tanita account, there too.

      If you install G Express, it will destroy all channels. I really mean, nothing will communicate, except the activities and software updates between device and G Connect.
      The Forerunner-Scale, the Forerunner-Healthy Edge, the Forerunner- G Connect, the Healthy Edge-Tanita channels become inactive. And this is a big issue for me, a reason to uninstall Express… Am I the only one recognizing this?

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    • To allow Tanita access again, just exit the tray icon of Garmin Express. That’s effectively the same as ‘disabling’ the old ANT Agent. Ultimately, only a single application can actively access the ANT+ USB stick, that’s the way it’s been for nearly a decade.

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    • A

      Ray, trust me that does not solve the issue. Once Express is installed, the scale is not recognized by Healthy Edge software. The scale will send measurement data to Forerunner, but from the device the data won’t be sent anywhere, it throws a message that the scale is not paired. I wish I could attach a schematic picture for better understanding…

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    • Gotchya, so you aren’t actually using the Healthy Edge software to connect directly to the scale (an option), but to pickup the watch data.

      The reason that fails is that Garmin changed the location of the files between the ANT Agent and Garmin Express. It broke a bunch of apps. Almost all apps updated within a week (it’s a trivial change).

      However, that was also 18 months ago – so it’s probably somewhat telling that Tanita hasn’t updated it yet.

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    • Paul S

      If that’s the problem, then what on Unix/Linux are called symbolic links, on OS X aliases, and on Windows I forget can be used to solve it. Search the Garmin forums for details. The point is to make the old location show up in the new place (or vice versa, it doesn’t matter) so they both exist for any software looking for one or the other but only one has the actual files, which look like they’re in both places at once.

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    • braindancer

      On Windows, those are junctions.

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    • A

      Well, the opposite is true. I uninstalled Express and kept the Healthy Edge sw. The Healthy Edge is kind of central database and communication/data transfer centre.
      It stores measurements received by Forerunner, it is sending the measurements to My Tanita.
      Except this, in Healthy Edge you can add multiple users/profiles for body composition measurements and store data in PC.
      The scale measurement recorded by Forerunner is sent to Garmin Connect. It was visible through Analyze –> Health in classic view. It is not working under modern view.
      If Garmin Express is installed, it destroys this data transfer and communication structure. The only option will be uninstalling G Express and reinstalling Garmin Communicator Plugin and ANT Agent…
      For me is quite important to have health data in Garmin Connect and from time tie-to-time make a body composition analysis for people who are not using Garmin devices.

      That’s why I was asking whether Epix is supporting Tanita scale measurements. This can be a good and one and only replacement of 910XT.
      In a multisport range, the 920XT, Fenix are not worth it.
      But the best solution would be, if Garmin would add a custom sport and user defined GPS recording to 910XT. That would make a perfect/ultimate multisport device from a 910XT.
      Having that, I would not think about Epix. In fact, looks like I won’t be interested, because Epix is not supporting Tanita.

      If I should describe Garmin’s sporting devices strategy, I would compare it to mobile phone producer Nokia in 90’s. They developed a wide product range, but neglected the software development….

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    • So in the context of this discussion thread – it’s somewhat inconsequential – Epix doesn’t support the weight scales.

      But, ignoring weight scale I’m curious why you say the FR910XT is perfect, but the Fenix3 and FR920XT aren’t (“not worth it”) but the Epix is? None of those support weight scales, and yet they all have basically the same capabilities outside of weight scales as the FR910XT (+more).

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    • A

      The 910XT would be the perfect watch, if Garmin would add the custom sport and user defined time for GPS recording.
      920XT has a smaller color display, WiFi, Bluetooth, Virb control. The display is a disadvantage here. Also how many of you will control Virb while sporting? The Wifi and Bluetooth are communication features, doesn’t bring much in relation to the activities. For me, not a choice to upgrade the 910XT.
      Fenix3. Leave a round shaped dial for classic watches. The multisport device has a rectangular shaped display. This device is suitable for army/military purposes, NAVY seals would be more than happy owners of it. Not a choice of mine.
      The Epix with the Topo maps brings appreciated value for hikers, climbers, ski alpinists within visible development in the background. It is expensive (almost 1 Epix = 2 x 910XT), but condign successor of the 910XT.

      Just two more comments to the end…
      In device VO2 estimation is unnecessary too. There are at least 10 different methods and formulas to calculate the VO2 max, however all calculations are estimations only.

      Garmin Connect. Let’s forget the question of design for a while and concentrate on functionality/features. Ask yourself a question what is more important to you?
      To see whether you weight change is affecting water mass, fat mass, muscle mass, bone mass or to see how many runs, for how long your running shoe last? Because this makes a difference between Garmin Connect classic view and modern view…

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    • I’ve owned the 910XT and the 920XT. The latter is an order of magnitude better. It responds more quickly, it has Bluetooth which allows me to upload via my phone, my wife can see where I am in case I get run over, it’s lighter, the strap is more flexible….the list goes on.

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    • Brian

      I could have used that whole ‘wife can see where I am in case I get run over’ thing tonight. Find my iPhone works well in a pinch too. Luckily I’m mostly ok, just sore.

      But anyway, glad to hear the 920 is working well – I had a 910 and really liked it – but looking for more of the connectivity features.

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  113. Nay Tun

    Hey Ray,
    Do you know which chipset is based on for epix? fenix 2 or 920XT . (You mentioned somewhere that fenix 3 is based on 920XT!)

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    • rabbit

      It should be the same mtk chipset with gps + glonass as on the fr920xt. The f2 has only a mtk chipset with gps (no glonass).

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    • Just to be clear above, I wasn’t talking about the FR920XT and Fenix3 sharing the same GPS chipset, but rather the same general codebase.

      As for the Epix, I don’t know – but I actually wouldn’t assume it’s the same. Keep in mind Epix is using a slightly different communications stack/chip (it lacks WiFi), so it’s possible there are other changes.

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    • Nay Tun

      Do you know, Epix can do Multisport Tri in (pool swim)? My current F2 is unavailable for that option.

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  114. Philippe from Montreuil - France

    Hello,

    My watch gps just breaking down.
    What do you advise me between waiting for Epix and Fenix 3 that I can have right now?
    With Epix, is it easy to follow a small path (the style of the paths of the French IGN maps 1:25000) ?
    I feel that the screen is so small that it must not be easy to find, unless one track has been already created.

    (sorry for the english)

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    • Mat

      This is actually a question. In other words, is the Epix tiny display pemits a real efficient GPS mapping-guidance ?

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    • Alan

      How big does a screen need to be to tell you ‘Go left in 20m’?

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    • Mat

      That big, you see ?

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    • Alan

      And that would fit on its screen my friend.

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  115. Gary

    I just heard from Clever Training that Garmin will be allocating their entire first thirty days supply of Epix shipments exclusively to one retailer – not Clever Training. Disappointing that Garmin made a decision to “ignore” our pre-orders with Clever Training. I value this site and its support community, but it looks like Garmin not so much.

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  116. JSN

    Here’s the latest Friday update from CT regarding Epix pre-orders. So does anyone know who the exclusive deal will be through?

    Thank you for your pre-order for the Garmin Epix. After speaking with Garmin, they have informed us that we can expect to begin receiving units around Mid-May. There has been a slight delay in production pushing back the original release date. Additionally, Garmin has informed us that they’ve provided a 30 day exclusive to another retailer to offer them units before any other retailers. Once this 30 days lapses, we will begin to receive our inventory and fulfill current pre-orders. We wanted to let you know about this so you aren’t alarmed by the earlier and limited availability. We will continue to provide weekly updates to keep you on top of availability and status until we are able to fulfill your order. If you have any questions regarding your pre-order, please contact our Customer Service Department at sales@clevertraining.com.

    Kind Regards,

    Clever Training Team

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    • Brian

      I initially thought it was REI – seems like Garmin did the same kinda think with Fenix3 and REI. Epix was listed last week for pre-order on their site with their ‘within 30 days’ guestimate. But It looks like it currently unavailable for pre-order on REI’s website.

      So basically, I don’t know. :)

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    • Paul S

      According to someone on the Garmin forums who called REI, it is them. They stopped taking orders because they sold out their allotment.

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  117. Alan

    Garmin are telling me 17 April for pre orders being satisfied and I am reading into this that manufacturing speed/exclusives with retailers to make off the shelf stock available until around a month later.

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  118. Greg Jensen

    I know there have been a couple comments previously about installing your own maps on the Epix, both 100k and 24k. I have always owned Garmin devices but have never done this before due to my basic computer skills. At the same time I didn’t enjoy the last time I bought maps from Garmin. I wandered where I would look to get a step-by-step on how to do this? And where does everyone get their maps? Also, if there is anything else you can think of that will help me out that would be great. Thanks

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    • Paul S

      As far as maps go, I’ve gotten mine from a variety of sources. My Epix will be coming with US 100k topo maps installed. When I got my Edge 800 almost 3 years ago, I bought the US Topo 24k maps for my region from Garmin, and I plan on installing those on my Epix as well. I have a City Navigator US subscription for my Nuvi (just updated them a few hours ago). I’ve used OpenStreetMaps a lot (generally from here, but from other sources like here as well). When we went to Costa Rica a few years ago I bought maps from a third party that I can’t remember at the moment that worked quite well. OSM maps in general will work fine, but the Garmin topo maps get relief shading to bring out the terrain on some Garmin devices (like my 800), and they look particularly good in BaseCamp. (Whether there’ll be relief shading on the Epix remains to be seen.) On the other hand OSM maps have every trail in the area, while the Garmin maps are missing quite a few.

      As for managing/installing them, on OS X Garmin has MapManager and MapInstall, and I use BaseCamp to use the maps on my computers. On other devices (Edge 800, Edge 705, 60CSx) I generally install temporary maps on a microSD chip and just plug the chip in when it’s time, but that won’t be possible on the Epix.

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    • BL

      Gpsfiledepot.com, click tutorials at the top. It might be a little different with the Epix but probably similar. I will know for sure once I get mine :-)

      I still paid $50 for the 100k, I figured I might as well just to have it the way it was designed :-) I cant wait to get my hands on it!

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  119. Tim Christoni

    Twitter exchange w/ @Garmin 3/26/15:
    @timchristoni
    @Garmin @GarminFitness When can we expect the #Epix in stores or a user manual posted online? – Mar 26
    @Garmin
    @timchristoni I’d expect the manual to be posted soon. Sorry, there’s not an official release date yet other than 2nd quarter, 2015. *CG

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  120. Kyle

    Here’s another twitter exchange….@Garmin When can we expect the Epix to ship to retailers? Release date?@KyleNewton It’s shipping now and would expect it to be in stock with retailers soon if not already. I’d check with local dealers. *CG

    Also I preordred with REI few weeks ago when it was available, today they said April 13 for ship date still

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    • Tim Christoni

      That’s pretty funny Kyle. Two messages with completely different answers. Gotta love it. I also pre-ordered from REI but was told the 16th. Time will tell, as always. Thanks for sharing your exchange with them.

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    • Kyle

      Well they said it would ship April 12 and I would receive it 15-16th. So were on same page. Hopefully its sooner !

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    • Alan

      So that’s 2 weeks away and therefore software is close to final – Ray do you know if they are they going to send you one after or before release so you can give us your early impressions?

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  121. Kyle

    Ray I was looking at a couple pictures and whatnot and noticed that the charging pins are on the right side. I also see the charging piece is different then others(longer, sticking out). How will this effect charging while on the wrist? It doesn’t look like it will be comfortable. Why wouldn’t they put it the pins on the left side? Have you had any experience while having the unit?

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    • In talking with them, there’s currently no expectation of being able to charge it while worn on the wrist – due to the design of the charger. Having had hands-on time with the unit, I’d agree with that assessment.

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  122. rabbit

    This charger construction is mess! What a stupid idea (!!!) to put the charging pins on the left side. Seems for me, that nobody thought about that and the they did not test it.

    A way to “fix” it a little bit: Garmin, we need a usb cable with an angled charger! And not as accessories to buy but as regular delivery

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    • rabbit

      Correction: I mean ” on the right side”!, of course!

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    • Alan

      I like what Sony have done with their smartwatch 3 – it’s waterproof plus has a standard micro USB port which they have also waterproofed. Seems like a great idea to me. link to wareable.com

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    • Brian

      Yeah, but it’s only IP68. I strongly prefer a legitimate 50M rating and accept the trade off of requiring some sort of charging clip.

      Garmin has really done well with the Fenix charging cables in my opition (at least in later versions). Same they kinda left this one out to dry. Oh well.

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    • Alan

      IP68 is sufficient for an urban smartwatch like the Sony but you think it’s beyond human advance to get it extended to 50m? If they had done this you could charge the watch anywhere without taking this special cable around. This is a 1st world problem.

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  123. Kyle

    Ray any news out of Garmin about the Epix? How about your review Unit?
    REI still says April 13th for ship date.

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    • Unclear. Hearing conflicting dates when I asked on Monday. When I asked about shipping in general, they said May now. I’ll check again tomorrow. Either way, I don’t have a unit.

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  124. DAVID CHAPMAN

    Gutted to hear on the go charging will not be possible / very tricky. Had settled on the epix for “xtreme” ironmans with offroad runs and ultras. Of course it’s only the ultras which I’d need to charge it. Do you know if it can function while charging like the fenix 3? If so I might try to figure out a way. Many thanks.

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  125. rabbit

    There is a post in the garmin forum, that epix fw 1.85 is released via garmin express. Isn`t it a indicator, that the epix will be released in april? But otherwise, the manual isn`t released yet.

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    • Usually about a month out Garmin will start populating the public update channel with updates for products. This is mostly to test various production systems. It could mean their close, or it could mean their just testing. I’ll poke today and see what the dealeo is.

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    • David

      Ok Ray, I’m not normally a grammar Nazi, but twice in one sentence? They’re populating their channels over there.

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    • Alan

      LOL. Hey Ray, it’s more like a week or two now max for earlier pre-orders. What are Garmin telling you and can they get you a unit?

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  126. Kyle

    There is another US retailer saying 5-10 business days now. I called to confirm. Wont say who but Garmin is really not managing their releases for the Fenix and Epix very well. Someone posted on the Garmin forums that their local REI put out the Epix display model today.

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    • Nobody

      I’ve heard through the grapevine that June 3rd is the official date. If you get it any sooner (probably from rei), make sure to share your experiences with it!

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    • Brian

      My REI has one out on display – but it’s a non-functional display. So sadly not much to get excited about, but the sticker on the screen looks fantastic! LOL

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    • Gavin

      I ordered the Epix on January 9th, figuring they would be the one’s to order from to get it quickest…so I have been waiting patiently…well, as patiently as I can, since then. Then I saw all of these REI posts popping up so I started doing some investigating. I contacted Garmin and they told me flat out that if I want the watch as soon as possible, then to go with REI because they have the first shipment deal with them.

      Then I contacted REI to see what they had to tell me, and they said they were going to receive the shipment on April 12, but that Garmin was notorious for being late on their orders. So, I cancelled my order over the phone with Garmin, and he told me the same thing that REI was the way to go. Then the next day I live chatted with Garmin and they said that they were NOW going to get the shipment on April 29 and shipments would go out on April 30. He told me that saying that if I were to order yesterday that I would receive the Epix sometime shortly after the 30th.

      I’m not going to get my hopes up too high because MAN are they taking forever on this. Garmin even told me when I contacted them before that the Epix probably wouldn’t ship from them until mid to late June! I get that they have had delays and will have delays, but sheesh, why even pretend that you will get it out in the first quarter when you are saying you won’t even ship until almost the 3rd quarter. They should have announced it later or known that this product would take longer than they were announcing, because I really think that they thought they would have to pull of some kind of a miracle to get it released within the 1st quarter.

      By the way, when I did order the Epix through REI they told me that they shipment would be received on the 12th, and maybe they will, I might just be included in the second shipment that will come on the 29th. Who knows anything really…even the Garmin guys have to ask a lot of questions to get you some answers. I just hope to have the Epix in hand before 2016…which at this point might be asking a lot. There are many things I would like to use it for this summer…here’s to hoping.

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  127. bill

    Hopefully Ray does unboxing video as soon as he gets one. Which should be any day now…

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  128. Kyle

    Anyone got any news at all? I wish there was more interest in this watch, updates seem to be few and far between

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    • greg

      I think we are all just waiting in anticipation for Garmin….the calm before the storm. So, if anyone gets their hands on an Epix let us know.

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    • Paul S

      Last I saw on the Garmin forums people are now saying that REI is telling them the 29th of April. Clever Training didn’t send out its weekly update last week; they were saying “another retailer” has a 30 day exclusive and that they would get theirs mid-May in the previous one. But REI originally said the 10th, so other retailers will probably have to wait 30 days after REI starts shipping, so that probably means end of May for me.

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    • greg

      That sounds about right. REI did have the Epix up for a few days online then they pulled it off. They put it back up last week for pre-orders and guarenteeing it within 30 days. I put my order in for the 100K version from REI on the 7th which means I will have it no later than the first week of May. Sorry Clever Training….I had to use up my dividend sometime…next time though….I guess I shouldn’t feel so bad I bought my wife’s Vivoactive from CT.

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    • Brian

      I ordered Mine from REI on March 17, and they told me last week to expect arrival around the 29th of April (sorry again CT, but you did get my Ambit 3 order last August).

      Forums also said REI took it down shortly after march 17 as they sold out of their initial allotment, and it has since returned for the next round. Who knows. I’ll post if I get a shipped notice.

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    • Sameer

      i called REI today and they said they are not receiving them till May 12th from Garmin

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    • Brian

      Same here. I may end up receiving my Apple Watch first… LOL

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    • Based on what I’m hearing, that’s roughly in line.

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  129. rabbit

    Map capability and outstanding readable display:
    link to facebook.com

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    • Alan

      The maps look at the upper end of my expectations and great direct sunlight visibility as expected. Hopefully you can interact with those POIs and map to a functional extent though otherwise it will all be limited in application.

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    • Alan

      Good find Rabbit and thanks to Czechoslovenia

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    • Kyle

      Im guessing Rabbit got it from my post over at the garmin forums, but who cares lol. I am a mad man, I search facebook, twitter, Instagram daily for news on the watch. I just want this dam watch. There was one guy on the garmin forums who got a tracking number last week(rei) , but nobody has heard anything from him since.

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    • Alan

      OK sorry, well done Kyle :O)

      Garmin told me ‘early May’ earlier today in the UK but no specific date is on their inventory system.

      Amazing search powers – I’m so please I’m not your ex-gf.

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    • Jose

      Nice find, I wonder if the epix watch faces will include the option to show dark numbers over white/clear background, since all screen shots i have seen use a black background. I am eager to see how clearly Custom kmz Maps and Birds Eye images are shown. and if the watch includes the Active Route feature available on other outdoor handheld units and in the Fenix 1.

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    • Kyle

      I also have a May 12th date.I hope this watch lives up to my expectations….I hope we can interact with the maps with the touchscreen. Im hopeful Garmin adds in the barometer lock that Suunto has because the Barometer/Altimeter on the Fenix 3 is pretty much useless without GPS. I had mine for a week and returned it because the gps was so bad.

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    • Juro

      More hands on photos from (former) CzechoSLOVAKIA
      link to rungo.idnes.cz

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    • Kevin

      I’m happy to see the top right corner shows the map scale.

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    • Alan

      I think someone did post those former photos from Czechoslovenia – the article is good too and they seem to have one of the pre production units with a serial number of like 9 or something

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    • CMV

      Can somebody show me where Czechoslovenia is on a map? I don’t seem to be able to find it… 😉

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    • Alan

      hmmm, it’s not coming up on google maps but I think that’s because it’s not completely comprehensive and they haven’t gotten around to adding all of the minor importance countries yet.

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  130. rabbit

    Yes, I just grabbed it from newtonfb post from the garmin.com forum

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  131. Alan

    By the looks of things, I doubt Ray is going to get an example unit before the early pre-orderers get their in early May.

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    • Generally speaking I’ll get a media unit out of the first Garmin production batch (I suspect that the fiasco that happened last time won’t happen again…).

      I’d say a much more relevant question is whether or not said shipping of any units will occur in early May.

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    • Kyle

      Ray how do you explain this?

      link to forums.garmin.com

      Looks like rei shipped a couple out. I ordered same day as him and my order is still scheduled for may 12 arrival.
      It boggles my mind why garmin hasn’t sent you a unit yet. They have obviously produced some even if they haven’t shipped any big amounts, no changes are going to be made now.

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    • I’ll ask the Olathe folk this morning as to what the current shipping status is. When I chatted with the Garmin France folks on Thursday, they noted still about a month out (I usually don’t chat with them, just the Garmin HQ folks).

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  132. rabbit

    Any news from the Olathe folks?

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  133. Naomi

    Expected availability: April 25 2015

    link to bhphotovideo.com

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    • Kyle

      I’ve seen that date on another site also. Dicks sporting goods says in stock.. I called them and they said they are just waiting for garmin to ship them apparently. Sounds lik garmin gave everyone a late April release date. I wonder if clever training is still on track for mid May…

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  134. greg

    link to mountaingear.com

    They say they have 3 available. I didn’t call them to see if that is true…

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    • Kyle

      I talked with them, they said they ordered 3(why it says 3 available) and thats the date they were told by garmin to expect them but no guarantee

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  135. Jose

    gps city lists availability today, but the page shows pre-order still…

    link to gpscity.com

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    • Kyle

      I did a live chat with them and this is what they said

      “Richard:
      Today was the estimated in stock day Bob. Looks like there has been a delay. We’ll have the latest information from Garmin posted as soon as we have it.”

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    • just talked to REI Garmin said they will ship them to Rei on May 10.

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    • Paul S

      Just got this from Clever Training (they usually send them out Friday):

      “Thank you for your pre-order for the Garmin Epix. Garmin has notified us that the Epix release is delayed slightly. Currently, it is projected that we will see our initial units in mid- June. As a reminder, Garmin has informed us that they have provided a 30 day exclusive to another retailer to offer them units before any other retailers.”

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  136. BL

    I ordered mine from REI the 2nd time they put them up on the site. They sent me an email last night saying that it is on backorder and they needed an email or call stating that I wanted to keep the order or it would be cancelled.

    I replied that I wanted to keep it and they responded back that it should ship to me on or around May 12th.

    About what I was expecting – I cancelled my Epix order with my local Garmin retailer which I hated to do, but a month is a long time :)

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  137. greg

    I got the same email last night from REI and gave them a call. They said May 14th.

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  138. Kyle

    So it sounds like that REI will begin (hopefully) shipping first or second week of May and other retailers first or second week of June. At the same time its kind of odd that other retailers are not saying anything about the 30 day exclusive. Alot of retailers were told by Garmin April 25th-ish while CT was told Mid May to begin with. I just hope CT isnt getting the short end of the stick like they did with the Fenix 3.

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    • In hearing back from Garmin yesterday, they noted initial units will go out in a few weeks (so that matches the REI May 10th dates). They noted broad shipping availability in mid-June (which matches the 30-day REI exclusive). CT is matching all of that as well, with their assumption of June as well.

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    • John WYO

      CT has the better deal. Can you all wait that long is the question.

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  139. Brittnee

    Cardio and a nice relaxing swim.

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  140. John WYO

    That’s really what it’s all about Brittnee. But the gadgets to help us along with our training dashboard are super. Be patient CT customers, Epix is looks right for adventures plus training and CT looks like a great deal.

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  141. BL

    Curious – the Epix data transfer capabilties list Bluetooth and USB. I have a 310XT and it is ANT+.

    Will it be possibile to transfer data via ANT+ through Garmin? Thanks!

    Does anyone else have a Garmin watch that only lists USB as data transfer and it still allows ANT+ to computer as long as you have the dongle?

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    • No, as far as I know Epix will be USB and BT only.

      The main reason being that ANT+ transfers to the desktop mostly increases support costs for Garmin. They’d like to move away from it as much as possible.

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  142. naomi

    Garmin has a screwed up way in dealing with release dates…to be continued

    I dont, It could come before that date or after. Garmin has a screwed up way in dealing with release dates.
    On a side note i found this odd…I ordered from Dicks Sporting Goods at the beginning of April because they had it and said it would ship April 20th, from the date Garmin gave them. I called them and they contacted Garmin and gave me a call back, Garmin gave them a May 11th date for when the order will ship. I find it odd because isnt REI supposed to have a 30 day exclusive? Im not saying the watch will actually ship on the 11th but I find it odd that Dicks just talked to them and said the date was the 11th instead of just saying early June. Either way im just going to cancel whatever one gets shipped first and my guess is REI. Either way I wouldnt be surprised by anything.

    I read this here:
    link to forums.garmin.com

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  143. naomi

    Date of release. ..to be continued

    Please! Is there anybody who can translate this in English for me:

    “Nie darfst du so tief sinken und den Kakao, durch den man dich zieht auch noch zu trinken.” (Erich Kästner)

    My English is not as good .. but I am eager to hear how this sounds in Engish 😉

    Herzlichst!
    Naomi

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    • naomi

      Thanks!… I found the translation into English by myself!
      Here we go:

      ” Imagine there is a release for the Garmin Epix and nobody buys it! ” :-))

      Hihi!

      `n Lachen und `n lieben Gruß!
      Naomi

      In German nowadays we have a saying, that helps me translating Erich Kästners sentence above.
      ” Stell dir vor, es ist Krieg und niemand geht hin!” (Imagine, there is war and nobody goes there)

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  144. naomi

    “Sorry to be such a cynic but with the preorders going out around 10 days or so away and no real appearances of the watch, I’m starting to worry if this thing is so sluggish or half baked that it’s being kept under wraps for that reason. I did read a review that the vivoactive was sluggish and I think the hardware is similar except that watch doesn’t have to drive 8GB of maps.”

    from there:
    link to forums.garmin.com

    Same I fear too.

    Naomi

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  145. rabbit

    If they release it to early with issues, people are unsatisfied, if they release it later with less issues, people are unsatisfied- people are always unsatisfied with new releases, no matter what garmin do…

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  146. naomi

    “You wouldn’t have many appearances of the unit, because said date would be based on units being produced.

    The units that you see floating around at/by various Garmin offices are variations on non-final units.” (DCRainmaker´s answer)

    “Sure Ray but the prototype units aren’t getting airtime either and they are on v2 software now” (Poulan 9`s answer

    I wish Garmin lets information coming out! For instance manual. So waiting time is not so cruel.

    On the other hand we can hope that Garmin had learnt from their disasters in past

    I had a Polar RS 800 working perfectly from the very beginning on and 5 years without any problems.

    And how many of us had to give back their Garmin watches several times until getting one that works to one´s full satisfaction finally!?

    So I hope, Garmin has learnt from past and will bring a Epix watch that works as my PolarRS 800 did.

    Nevertheless Garmin announcements for date of release borders on insolence and can make one angry!
    IMVHO!

    Herzlichst!
    Naomi
    Naomi

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  147. Alan

    Haha, yes Garmin are bordering on insolence and must be punished… by me spending $600 on this watch. Well most companies keep details quiet to avoid embarrassment if they miss ship dates etc. I would love to know Garmin’s return dates, I bet they are pretty shocking.

    My original fenix went back once it started fogging while swimming. Second one was excellent for a year until one day the battery was showing as empty (it wasn’t) and it wouldn’t charge at all but a hard reset and reflash seemed to fix it and it behaved well again so it was a once off.

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  148. Jst

    User manual (pdf) are available on Garmins site now, not the english manual atm!

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    • BL

      I didnt see the manuals, link?

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    • Paul S

      Here. The English language manual isn’t up yet, but if you click on the “all languages” link you can find Spanish, French, and Portuguese versions

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    • Jose

      On the spanish manual I can’t find references to an altitude plot screen, or to a screen for the active route
      It seems distance to next and time to next are not listed in the available fields, only distance and time to final destination.
      I hope the advanced track navigation available on outdoor units such as the oregon and the original fenix is not left out of the epix (automatic start and end points for tracks as well as high and low points based on altitude)
      Also I wonder what information will be presented when routing on street maps (distance to next turn – street name) as opposed to only distance to final destination

      Most of the information presented on the manual seems to be fitness oriented.

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    • David

      Any mention of ability to charge on the move?

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    • Bill

      I am wondering all these also. I hope Ray reviews this a little more in depth for hiking crowd comparing it to the Oregon units and not just running biking crowd.

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    • Jose

      the only information on the manual about charging is related to the cable charging the watch from a usb port or from an ac adapter, a notice is given that in order to avoid corrosion, the contacts and surrounding area should be clean and dry. the cable seems to have a clamp mechanism which is connected first to the back of the watch and then to a notch in the side. I hope an future dc review can focus on the features of the epix (navigation, mapping) not available or different from the fenix 3.

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    • Keep in mind that Garmin has previously stated that the unit won’t really work well for continuous charging on your wrist due to the design of the connector.

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    • DAVID CHAPMAN

      Thanks guys.
      Yes, I’ll likely only ever need to charge on the go in one or two events so happy to compromise in that respect a little. If I need to use it as a handheld in order to charge that’s not a big problem. But I do need it to still run as with the Fenix 3 not stop as with 920xt.

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    • Kyle

      Still makes no sense why they went that route. What does it hurt giving us option to charge on the go?

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    • DAVID CHAPMAN

      Agree it is a real shame and not good thinking/ design from Garmin. For me if I have to take it off my wrist to charge it during an ultra it’s not the end of the world and the battery life is good enough to not need to charge during the hardest iron distance triathlons.

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  149. Kyle

    For anyone that cares I sort of translated the manual. Here is a link. There is no pictures but all the words are there…take it for what it is.
    link to docs.google.com

    Also here is another document. I just copied and pasted the map and touchscreen features which doesnt seem to be much. Everything else in manual seems to be stuff we already know..unless someone can find something good. One thing i did find interesting was about “point of interest” in the map features. One thing i couldnt find was if you could interact with the 24k maps or any custom maps, click a mountain and see how long it would be to get there, how high it is, stuff like that.
    link to docs.google.com

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    • Kyle

      Also of note, there’s a “dawn” and “dusk” data field that I think is new

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    • BL

      Thank you :)

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  150. Kyle

    Found first picture of box….

    link to docs.google.com

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    • Nobody

      REI just told me I should have it by the 27th and they are doing another 20% off coupon on the 15th for their anniversary 😀

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    • Kyle

      im confused…are you going to reorder on the 15th or something?

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  151. Alan

    Garmin UK told me they have already shipped some in the UK to retailers and get a second batch next week.

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    • DAVID CHAPMAN

      Really hope that’s accurate. Got a pre order in with Cotswold, fingers crossed they are one of the “some” and mine is in the first batch. Would be pretty happy with next week mind. Are you waiting for one?

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    • Alan

      CW told me they are expecting enough in their first shipment tomorrow to satisfy pre-orders up until April. Mine was Feb.

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    • Alan

      …they are only going to be able to book them into stock tomorrow so customers won’t get them until early next week.

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    • DAVID CHAPMAN

      Eeek. April 7th for me. Dropped them a line so should know where I stand soon enough. Can’t wait.

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    • Alan

      Just spoke to CW and Garmin missed the delivery so they are now saying end of May.

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    • Alan

      Not exactly: CW were told by Garmin UK that they will deliver late next week and CW may get them out same day.

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  152. shane

    pre ordered mine in Jan from CW. just sent them an email to see if they have a date yet

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  153. Kyle

    Ray, what’s the latest you’re hearing about everything ?

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  154. naomi

    Dragonfly to Orang-Utan!
    Dragonfly to Orang-Utan!
    Chiefest degree of urgency !
    Come in please!

    Ray , any news when you get one? 😉

    `n Lachen und `n Knuff!
    Libelle

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    • Their expecting media units in the next few days, at which point it’ll ship over to me.

      The process from them to me takes three days:

      1) One day for them to overnight it to my forwarding box in the US
      2) Two days for FedEx international to arrive in France

      So in general, something has to be in my forwarding box by 3PM Wednesday for it to arrive by Friday in Paris.

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    • Alan

      They’re

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    • Shane

      Thanks Ray your hard work is appreciated

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  155. Andrej

    DC, how much time does it usually take you to do a review? Let’s say you get the watch on friday. One week? Because I’m waiting like crazy for this one.

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    • rabbit

      I would think a month at least…

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    • It’s generally a month. Sometimes more, sometimes less if it’s a less complicated product. The Epix is a more complicated product than most (perhaps the most complicated product out there).

      If it showed up in my hands on Friday, the earliest I’d likely have an in-depth review would be the 2nd week of June. I’ve got some time in the Alps coming up later in the month that I’d use as part of the testing.

      That said, I’d likely start dropping various videos onto YouTube in between now and then – similar to what I did with the Fenix3.

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  156. rabbit

    For the alps for example it would be necessary to have an elevation plot on the epix of tracks or calculated routes with elevation data during a hike/mob tour to have a look, what’s coming up. Because of the great map capability of the epix, it should have it as a feature, but I fear, it does not have it. Can you please have a look on this? Thanks.

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    • Alan

      Agree, that would be a cool feature also for cycling knowing how much of the climbs you’ve done and how much of descents you have remaining.

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    • Alan

      climbs you have coming that should have read

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  157. Naomi

    “Just to be clear, with the example of Friday in some other thread, I was just explaining timeline examples. While I’d love for it to be here Friday, unless I get a note today from Garmin saying they shipped it to Houston today, that own’t happen. ” D.C. Rainmaker #88 read:

    link to forums.garmin.com

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    • Kyle

      Naomi,
      Not to be rude but you don’t need to relay something every time someone post in the garmin forums. Ray basically said the same thing a few post down. Not to mention I’m sure the majority of us are monitoring both pages

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    • Naomi

      “that own’t happen” I beg your pardon , does that mean: ” it will not happen” or ” it will happen”….
      to get it till Friday ????

      Herzlichst! NAOMI

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    • It means that unless it shows up today in my US forwarding mailbox, I won’t have it on Friday here in France.

      Given they didn’t tell me yesterday that they sent anything Epix related overnight for arrival, I doubt they did (especially since we chatted on other topics via some other threads).

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    • Naomi

      Dear Ray!

      I see! :-)) and understand!
      Thank you very much for your explanation, Ray!

      Herzlichst Naomi

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  158. DAVID CHAPMAN

    Sounds like some of us in the UK with pre orders can expect to have ours within a week – “We are due to receive these this week and will aim to have it with you early next week.”

    Anyone found an English manual yet?

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    • nobody

      Just received my REI receipt and account shows next Tuesday as expected arrival

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    • nobody

      English owners manual is up! link to static.garmincdn.com

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    • Big T

      Your awesome…

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    • Kyle

      When did you order from REI?

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    • Nobody

      I ordered on April 12th after I saw REI was getting it first

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    • Alan

      OMG they put in pinch to zoom on a 1.8″ screen! Sounds great but how workable is that???

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    • Alan

      Either way it’s much better than the pathetic combination of button presses to toggle between scroll up/down or right/left which was so tedious.

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  159. rabbit

    You wrote in the feature list: geocaching: yes

    But the manual don’t say a word about that. Perhaps they have removed the geocaching ability?

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    • rabbit

      Sorry: I am talking about paperless geocaching

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    • Jose

      I would not take the manual as confirmation of the definitive feature list, as happened with the original garmin fenix manual, where geocaching functions were described from the start, and fitness features were added later. In the epix it seems fitness features received an emphasis but I can’t find features such as Geocaching, Active Route, Sun and Moon, Jumpmaster, Waypoint Averaging, MOB, Project Waypoint, all available on the original fenix under gps tools

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    • nobody

      I can confirm that the user manual is “currently” based on less feature filled models. I do know that it’s not accurate for a few small things that were copied from the f3 that are different on the epix.

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    • rabbit

      Yes, the Informationen about the new routing and maping features aren’t very meaningful. But I thing, we won’t get a more detailed manual…

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    • It was supposed to support the Chirp, maybe not anymore (or maybe there was just initial confusion).

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    • Paul S

      I was happy to see mention of “lock on roads” and “avoidances” in the routing section. So it looks like it can route using the map like a Nuvi or and Edge.

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    • rabbit

      Yes, it does! :)

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  160. greg

    I ordered mine from REI on the 7th of April and I just got a shipping notification today (may 14th). So I assume it will be in my hands early next week. I’ll post my thoughts when I do (previous owner of several handhelds and the 310xt, fr620, and my wife has the vivoactive so I’m excited to see how it compares to all of them).

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  161. nobody

    USPS confirmed I’ll have mine tomorrow. The wait is finally over!

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  162. chris

    If your in the UK the Keswick mountain festival stand has one on display just had a look at it. Only had the basic free mapping on it so not much detail but they said it takes the OS GB mapping.

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  163. Alan

    Garmin UK told me that they had limited supplies but had a bunch sitting around in stock gathering dust on the off chance that someone will return theirs. Meanwhile I’ve had a pre-order for 3 months and am further down line behind so far some non existent theoretical return. FU 2 Garmin!

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    • All companies have stock for warranty/support replacements – that’s a good pro-consumer thing. Otherwise, you get into situations like this: link to cultofmac.com

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    • Alan

      Of course you are right Ray but Apple didn’t claim end of Q1 and then have customers waiting around nearly 2 month’s later with nothing to show for it so it is frustrating when they keep missing deliveries when a day before they were still expecting to make them for two weeks consecutively. Logistics is a complete dark art to them.

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  164. greg

    So I got the EPIX!!!!! Just arrived via USPS a few minutes ago. I haven’t got it down yet but my initial impressions are good…perfect….no but I think everyone will like it. I’m not holding out on you guys so I posted a video here link to youtube.com

    Feel free to ask me any questions, however it is finals week next week for me so I will answer when I can. Also, I don’t want to take away from Ray’s awesome reviews.

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    • greg

      FYI the video is on the basic mapping functions, just because that was what I was most curious about for my trail runs.

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    • DAVID CHAPMAN

      Great stuff, thanks. I think / hope you can actually charge during use by changing the settings. If you get a chance could you try? Settings > system > usb mode – change from “mass storage” to “Garmin”

      A photo of the clip would be brilliant as well. Really hope there is some way of charging on the go for ultras, even if it means taking it off the wrist.

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    • greg

      I’ll do another video tonight showing it clipping on and off. If there is anything else you guys want to see let me know and i’ll throw it in the video.

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    • Bill

      Do you have any maps installed, like 24k? Sorry haven’t had the chance to look at video yet. If you do have maps are they routable? For example, can you click on a mountain top and it’ll give you route, eta , ect. ?

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    • greg

      I have the 100K version and from what I can tell it only routes “as the crow flys” just like on my Oregon 650t. I haven’t added any other maps yet. I was also hoping for turn-by-turn directions. This would probably only be the case if I get a street map version or I entered in a course, but I am an amateur at this so I wouldn’t know for sure.

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    • Alan

      Thanks for the video, especially as you are showing it off before you’ve even had much of play with it for yourself.

      My impressions were that it was snappy until you start using the maps and then it becomes fairly laggy when you zoom out and the redraw whilst panning areas into view was at least as bad or worse than my fears which seem to have materialised. The pinch to zoom also looked tricky on such a small screen which is what I suspected but it’s an additional option rather than the only one so that is down to preference.

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    • greg

      I did switch it from “mass storage” to “garmin” and it looks like it will function/record when charging. Now it is up to the individual to decide if the want to put it on their wrist and try and run with it or through it in a backpack.

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    • Paul S

      The Garmin 100k maps aren’t routable, so you’ll have to try ones that are, like the 24k, City Nav, or OSM maps.

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    • DAVID CHAPMAN

      Box 1 ticked! Thanks

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    • nobody

      I’m loving my epix so far but I’m very disappointed at the address routing… I was hoping to also use it while riding my motorcycle to glance at directions to my destination. Maybe there will be a way down the road with other maps.

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  165. greg

    The screen and the responsiveness is better than I thought it would be. In comparison to my wife’s vivoactive it is a lot quicker and the glass, vs. the plastic on the vivoactive, is really nice and your fingers glide. When you scroll through the menu I felt like there wasn’t even a lag sometimes. Yes the screen is small for a map but I was zooming just fine before the video, but while I was making it I was looking through the camera and trying to zoom and that is a lot harder. Of course the option to zoom out with the buttons is nice for when your wearing gloves or got big fingers.

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    • Alan

      There’s definitely a lot of promise with the watch once a few more software updates come through to fix some of the bugs. I thought it routed if you have routable maps loaded and only directs ‘as the crow flies’ when routable maps aren’t loaded. I’m not sure what you have loaded but I’m guessing it’s the recreational maps which I think only have routable trails and such but treat roads as non routable. Do you have access to the City Navigator maps to try that?

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    • Stephane

      Greg, can you tell us from where did you ordered it? It is a special one for ‘special Greg’ or it is a public one?
      Thx
      Steph

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    • greg

      Steph…just preordered from REI 5 weeks ago. I’m usually the last person to get a product not one of the first so this is new to me.

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  166. rabbit

    I have heard that free (routable) osm maps won’t work on the epix anymore. Would be nice, if you could test this.

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    • rabbit

      Another question: I also heard that the epix won’t support paperless geocaching (at the moment?). Perhaps you can test that too (in case that you are a geocacher).

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    • greg

      Sorry, I don’t do any geocaching so I am in the dark on that. I’ve never done free maps before but I was hoping to try that out once I’m done with school here soon. I’m pretty sure Ray knows (or soon will know) the answer to both of those.

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  167. greg

    I went on a little hike/run so I made a little 1 minute video if you want to see it in action. Nothing special. link to youtube.com

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  168. Jim

    Greg, thanks for the reports and videos. How would you compare the map redraw and panning speed to your Oregon 650t? Thanks for any info.

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    • greg

      Oops, I have the older Oregon 550t. It is comparable to the 550t model. By the time it refreshes your not mentally thinking “come on…hurry up”. I timed it out with several different zooms and pans and it takes just under a second to refresh. In the first video I made the reason it didn’t respond is that it actually froze (from what I could tell) and I simply restarted it. I’ll throw another video on sometime after I play around on it a little more.

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    • Jim

      Excellent and thanks. Very helpful.

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  169. Sam Penrod

    My Epix is already DEAD!!!
    I got my Epix today in the mail from REI this afternoon, which was a pleasant surprise– unfortunately, after a couple of hours of use, it became inoperable. I probably have had about 30 Garmin units, so I love their gear, but I’m pretty disappointed for the moment, although I am hoping on Monday morning tech support can talk me into a fix or arrange to exchange it.
    Here is what happened: I used Garmin Express to update the firmware to 2.20 (shipped with 2.10) manage my Apps/Widgets/Watchfaces and the first time it worked great. Also used the Garmin Connect App with my iPhone 5, but it wouldn’t sync to transfer the apps, so I went back to the computer and using Garmin Express downloaded a watch face. When I disconnected the Epix from the computer, it showed the Garmin startup screen and then nothing happened. Eventually, turned it off and tried again, even tried to reload the new 2.20 firmware but nothing changed. Now the computer will recognize it as a mass storage device, but not Garmin Express– but Basecamp does still recognize it. Not sure what happened, but the third party watch face I had just loaded is suspect to me.
    Here are a few observations, of the unit before it crashed:
    I really like it– but it seems more of a training watch, than what I hoped for as being an outdoor mapping unit, with a touchscreen for the wrist.
    There is no geocaching features I could see.
    There is no satellite page, however you can select to enable/disable GLONASS and WAAS and you can save your current location to get lat/long and instead of mm.mmm there is mm.mmmm shown.
    The navigation compass page to the waypoint your are heading to is quite boring (black/white, small arrow)
    You can import waypoints known as “saved points”
    There are many activity profiles, such as hike, run, swim, etc– I wish there was a navigation profile like there is with the Fenix 2.
    The USGS app seemed cool– figures out your altitude from your current location, to help you calibrate altimeter (requires Bluetooth connection to smartphone)
    The smart notifications worked, but no way to clear old ones that appear.
    Birdseye imagery looks good and worked though basecamp after registering unit.
    The 100K maps look great, panning the map is a little difficult with big fingers.
    The touchscreen option to move through the menu is really nice.
    The connector for computer access and charging, clips on easily.
    Hoping there is an accessory of a leather band like the fenix/fenix2
    I have been anxiously waiting for the Epix since it was announced– I have used both the fenix and fenix 2 and I am excited for the new features– but it looks like I am back to the fenix 2 for now, until I can get the Epix to work. I will post an update after taking to tech support on Monday morning.

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    • Please do update us. Debating between the Epix, Fenix 3, and the Ambit Peak wife and I are hikers/hunters, not runners, so having a devil of a time deciding.

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    • rabbit

      1. Press the light button for about 20 seconds to switch off the epix
      2. Performe a hard reset ( attention all user setting and activities will be deleted)

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    • Joker

      Delete the driver under device manager, reboot computer. Hard reset the watch, then connect it to the computer.

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    • Paul S

      “Please do update us. Debating between the Epix, Fenix 3, and the Ambit Peak wife and I are hikers/hunters, not runners, so having a devil of a time deciding.”

      I would think that would be easy. The Epix has maps, the others don’t. But with the caveat “not this summer” for the Epix, since it probably will have the usual Garmin new device problems for the next few months. If you don’t need the maps, then one of the other two.

      If it were just hiking, I’d say don’t bother with a watch and get a handheld.

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    • Sam Penrod

      Do you know how to perform a master reset on the Epix?

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    • rabbit

      Hold the down, start, back and power buttons at the same time
      When the epix is starting let the start button go
      When you hear the first beep let the back button go
      When you hear the second beep let the down buttons go
      The device will boot back up and you will be prompted to enter your profile information

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    • Sam Penrod

      Thanks! Do you know at what stage I release the power/light button?
      Thanks again

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    • rabbit

      Power the epix off. When it starts, release the light button…

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  170. Jose

    As for loading a free routable openstreet map to your new epix to check street routing , there is a good step by step description on this dc rainmaker article
    link to dcrainmaker.com
    The article shows the procedure on a Garmin Edge, but I guess it should not be very different with the Garmin Epix, one difference is you are not using a microsd card, but you would be sending the gmapsupp.img map file to the watch garmin folder, maybe renamed as gmapsup2.img as to not overwrite a basemap or topo map using that file name

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  171. Jose

    Could any new owner try loading a track on the epix, or trying to navigate a previously saved one?, With the track on the device, (and if it’s possible to set the gps in a demo mode so that you don’t have to go outside) check what data is available for data fields (distance to destination, time to destination, ETA at destination, waypoint at next, time to next, distance to next?) any of those data fields missing?
    while navigating a track, is there an Active route page or application showing start, end, high and low points along the track and the distance to each of those points?
    Does the altitude graph page shows anything similar to this graph when navigating a track? showing past and upcoming elevation?
    link to images.outdoor-magazin.com
    Your feedback is appreciated

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  172. rabbit

    There is no gps demo mode. Unfortunately there is no graph page for the upcoming elevation while navigating a course/calculated route – a outdoor watch with this capabilities has to have it! Garmin, please add this.

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  173. Miguel

    I wonder how can they launch the epix without updating GC mobile and/or basecamp mobile to be able to make and send wiressly standard tracks and tracks with guidance in points

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  174. rabbit

    Basecamp mobile isn´t supported anymore. Wireless data transfer (possible from oregon etc. to fenix 1/2 and vice versa) isn´t supported anymore, too. C:

    Garmin, how will the user be able to transfer tracks/courses/wps without using pc/internet during a hike to the epix??? Please readd basecamp mobile support!

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    • Paul S

      I was half expecting BaseCamp Mobile to be resurrected for the Epix, too, and since it’s early, maybe it still will be. But in this case, unless you’re hiking in Central Park in Manhattan, no cellular service in most places worth hiking means no internet for the phone, either. So you’d have to pre-load the phone with the tracks etc., anyway, and since the Epix has 8 Gb, you might as well just pre-load it instead.

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    • I think it was posted to the Fenix3 thread, but in short, I asked Garmin about it. Don’t expect Basecamp mobile to get new life.

      Instead, the functions will be folded into Garmin Connect Mobile (which probably makes more sense anyway). When I asked last a few months ago, they didn’t have a timeline for it, but were well aware of the pain without it. I’ll poke again next week once a unit is on the way to me.

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    • Dave Lusty

      It’s already in GCM, just not as we were expecting. The way they seem to want to go is that you use the website to create your course/waypoint and then just send to device. The device will use either direct Internet or will connect through Connect mobile (or Express) to get the files. This is already how apps are delivered, and courses. The thing we’re waiting on is the Connect website to support creation and management of waypoints and other proper navigational features. I would be surprised if the functionality to create waypoints will go into Connect mobile.

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    • Of course, the discussion was in the context of the way the old Basecamp Mobile app worked (those features coming to GCM).

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    • rabbit

      Ok, of it gets the same functionality as basecamp mobile (and perhaps some more), that would be ok. But they should hurry up a little bit- they decided month ago not to go with bcm for f3 and epix and should present us an alternative soon..

      Ok, with 8 gb memory, I can put a lot of wps. etc.on my epix.

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    • Dave Lusty

      Did they confirm that the old basecamp features will actually be in the app locally Ray? I’d love to see that because the web version is a bit frustrating to use even without trying to do stuff like waypoint creation. It definitely looks like they want the Internet version to be the driver and the phone app to be a conduit for devices without wifi. They didn’t even integrate the app store, it just loads the web page within the app.

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    • They weren’t comfortable nailing down a specific feature-list. However, the initiation of the discussion was primarily around Basecamp Mobile features (since it didn’t work on the Fenix3 any longer).

      Obviously Basecamp Desktop has a boatload more features than Basecamp mobile, which was also extremely narrow in focus/features (far more than I think some realize).

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    • Dave Lusty

      I opened it the other day and you’re right it was very light on features. That’s what gave me the assumption that the web will handle it all since one primary feature is sending courses to the device, and that today is done from the website using GCM as a conduit (although it goes direct over wifi). Connect on the web currently doesn’t do waypoints at all as far as I can tell but it would seem to make sense that this is where it will be added, and that would pretty much match the current BCM functionality once done with the exception of offline transfers.
      I’m not sure I see why there’s a fuss about offline transfer. If you’ve not transferred everything to the watch before you go on your trek it’s unlikely you’d have sent it all to the phone either. Waypoints can be created on the device so traditional paper nav would still be possible either way.

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  175. rabbit

    Another thing:

    A friend just called me and told me proudly that his epix has arrived. He told me also, he isn’t able to load free osm maps on his epix, he always gets en error message on the epix “maps are not compatible..” or something like that. He is a long time Garmin user and knows how to use osm maps on Garmin devices. Can anybody confirm this?

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    • Paul S

      Does he have any other Garmin maps to try installing, like the 24k which aren’t limited/locked? Maybe it’s a general thing for the new device, not just OSM.

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    • BL

      I ordered mine from REI on the 11th of April – I should get it on May 26th. I have the City Navigator Maps and will try to install them as soon as I get it and let you know how it works :)

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  176. rabbit

    No, he just tried different osm maps. I will tell him to try some other map types…

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    • rabbit

      He told me, that he has bought and downloaded cn nt maps and they work fine on the epix. Routing is working, too ( but a 190 miles routing takes about > 5 minutes (?) ).

      So, maybe Garmin has banned free osm maps? Garmin is using own osm maps (routable osm westeuropa will be preinstalled on the new Garmin etrex 20x/30x in europe and they are selling some routable osm maps (Eastern Africa, Belarus and some others for 19,99 €).

      I asked him to post here himself, but he told me ( he is over 70 years old), that he did not like/want it.

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    • Paul S

      I think it’s very unlikely that they deliberately did something to keep OSM off the Epix. More likely, since it’s Garmin, the software is screwed up. If they did actually do something, I’m sure it won’t be long before someone figures out what and how to get around it.

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    • rabbit

      Let`s see and wait, if other users also can`t use free osm maps. If so, perhaps you are right and it is a fw thing (I hope so!).

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    • Paul S

      Yeah, me, too. It’ll be a month before I can try it myself, though. (I actually felt a little relieved when the 30 day REI exclusive was announced :-)).

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    • Alan

      >5 mins to route 190 miles is perfectly acceptable as this is not designed to be a vehicle satnav and nobody suddenly jumps into a car and travels 190 miles without a bit of foresight.

      I’m interested though how the address search works or if you can only navigate to waypoints or targets that you’ve selected on the map screen?

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  177. nobody

    I bought the City Navigator maps for $80+ from garmin and installed it, but I still can’t figure out how to get turn by turn directions to an address. :-(

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    • rabbit

      You can’t enter an address for navigation! You can navigate to a saved location (waypoint (created before)), to coordinates, to a poi, to a map point.

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    • nobody

      Is there any address with a location? My intentions were to also replace my handheld, which is looking more and more like I should have bought the fenix and a handheld…

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  178. rabbit

    Seems that only few units are delivered? Anyone with one: please load a free routable osm map on the device and report, if the watch is working with it. Thanks!

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    • So I checked with Garmin on the OSM piece. They didn’t offhand know if it broke those maps, but they noted that they occasionally tweak the allowed/block list in order to protect various licensed maps. They said that sometimes what happens is that the community maps will ‘copy’ various metadata attributes that are/were red-flagged.

      They noted that in most cases it works itself out pretty quickly, but again, that they hadn’t looked into it yet. They did re-iterate that: “our intent is not to make our devices ‘unfriendly’ to open maps….that’s a losing battle for everyone involved.”

      I will note that it sounds like only one (maybe two?) people have tried it – so it might work just fine and that for whatever reason it stumbled for that person. The Garmin folks hadn’t looked into it yet.

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    • Volker_I

      Did some more test with some different osm maps:

      some maps don`t work, but some maps does:

      link to forums.garmin.com

      Seems to be, that the map compiler of the not working maps use something that the epix (or garmin (?)) don`t like.

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    • Volker_I

      Correction:

      Openmtbmaps work now on my epix. Don`t know why 2 different tested openmtbmaps failed on my epix before.

      Sorry for the confusion!!!

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  179. Kyle

    REI has the worldwide version in stock. I had to cancel my preorder and order another one(stupid). But I will have my unit on wednesday!

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  180. Kyle

    Also it shows stores on the west coast have them instock if you’re in that area.

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    • Timchristoni

      I just picked up the Epix at REI Huntington Beach. Paid for it over the phone and drove 40 miles to get it, but it’s in my hands.

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    • Tim Christoni

      Thanks for the heads up.

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  181. nobody

    I bought the city navigator maps and told it to map to the closest city (less than a mile supposedly) and after waiting 47 minutes, the map never loaded. I’m pretty disappointed so far. I’m going to return it and get the fenix if support can’t help.

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  182. rabbit

    Is the map enabled in the settings?bMenu>settings>map>configure Maps

    Which routing settings in the used app?

    How did you choose the closest city and started the routing?

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    • nobody

      I updated to the latest firmware and the routing is working now. In the German review they were able to choose motorcycle as a routing option but I can’t find anywhere to choose the routing style. I went to menu->map points->cities->go then you have to choose an activity like run, trail run I chose bike. I just tested again and it didn’t do routing just a straight line… After I cancelled the activity the watch rebooted… I think there are still a ton of bugs.

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  183. Naomi

    “The screen and the responsiveness is better than I thought it would be. In comparison to my wife’s vivoactive it is a lot quicker and the glass, vs. the plastic on the vivoactive” from greg above

    Ouestion: why that difference between Epix and Vivoactive? Because of the material glass vs plastic..!??????? Hä?

    Watching Greg´s video I must say the touch of Epix is awful ( horrible, dreadful) and not easy going.

    My experience with the touch by 5 (yes, five, I had to swap it 4 times -not because of the touch but other notfunctions- till I got one that was good ) Garmin FR 620 was that on 3 watches the touch was ok just little differences .One was awful, like I see now in greg´s video with his Epix and one was excellent and a real “Girl Friday”

    So I guess Garmin watches don`t have a constant quality concerning touch with their FR 620.
    It would be a pity if the same happend with Epix. Or should I better say: I hope the touch would be as different as it was by my Garmin FR 620 , so you have perhaps the luck to get a touch that better works as I´ve seen by Greg´s Epix, because if I´m running fast I `ve not the nerves with a touch that doesn´t work fluently.

    But we´ll see what Ray and others are reporting to that subject. 😉

    Seid herzlichst gegrüßt! Naomi

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    • Naomi

      p.s: my Garmin FR 620 all have plastic and no glass display – even the excellent one. 😉

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  184. Volker_I

    Here a report about the epix (sorry, only in german) with some pics. Main focus on navigation/hiking (no fitness/sport):

    link to naviboard.de

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    • DAVID CHAPMAN

      Thanks. Does the charging clip stay in place ok on the move?

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    • Volker_I

      The charging clip stays in place, but as you move your wrist (what everybody normally does), it is highly impractical / uncomfortable. If charging is needed during an activity, I would perhaps change the wearing from left to right arm (during a hike/ for sports not so good because of the (sports/fitness) data recording). But this is only my thought about that at the moment.

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  185. Kyle

    Epix just came in. REI gave me free overnight for cancelling my preorder. Im installing Garmins 24k maps at the moment. First impressions of the device, its big. I love it but I can see why some might not like it for everyday use. The touchscreen works fine from what I can tell setting up the device and whatnot. No lag. Also the charging cable snaps in sort of…im kind of worried it will wear out the top of the device after awhile but maybe im just being stupid. I did put the charging cable on with it on my wrist(left hand) it didnt bother me really but you might want to wear it on your right if you’re going to need charge and wear at same time as mentioned in the comment above. It did feel snug though, so if you’re worried about it falling out i wouldn’t. I will try to do a video and more impressions in a bit.

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  186. Kyle

    I made a quick video. Its raining here so I thought id see how the epix touchscreen did in the rain. It does pretty well actually. There is no commentary since I had the Virb held up by my mouth haha. Not the best video but you get the idea atleast.

    link to youtube.com

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    • Alan

      Also, watch looks huge!

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    • Naomi

      Hi Kyle
      I beg your pardon but what do you mean with “It does pretty well actually.” ??????
      To wipe 6 times and getting no reaction! WOW!
      No “Girl Friday” that watch! IMVHO!

      ´n Lachen und `n Knuff!
      Naomi

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    • Kyle

      That one spot you are referring to was pretty much the only time it gave me problems. If you’ve ever used your phone in any kind of rain its pretty useless. I dont have a Garmin Handheld GPS so i cant speak on how they work. If i had to use this in the rain and didnt want to use the buttons it would be fine

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  187. Alan

    Thanks Kyle, great vid. Is it me or does the watch mistake you swiping to go out of the maps for wanting to pan within the maps? What are the acquisition times like, I’m expecting stellar?

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    • Kyle

      There is a “back” button the bottom right of the maps thats hard to see on the video. I think what you’re referring to is when i accidentally hit that when swiping.
      The screen is small to pinch to zoom with your fingers but its fine for pressing the “+” and “-” on the screen. You can also use the buttons.

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    • Kyle

      GPS satellites took 15 maybe 30 seconds to get. Much better than the Fenix 3 I had. Panning the map, the maps load a tad slow but nothing really to complain about.

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  188. Kyle

    I posted a couple photos to show you how the 24k maps looks routable. Also the Waypoint data field cuts off your text if its long. With 4 data fields going the long way it looks like it has 8 characters and going 4 blocks it has 12 character range. I still havent really found an easy way to skip waypoint and go to the next one. You can go on the map and manually select it but it would be easier just to do it the way Suunto does. Maybe there is and i haven’t found a way yet.

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  189. BL

    I just got my shipment notification for my Epix and it will be here on Friday – ready to share my experience with it!

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  190. nobody

    Mines going back. I did a 10 mile hike and then tried to route back to my starting point and the watch rebooted, lost all my steps and info about the hike. I can’t get the routing to work correct even after talking with support. It’ll show the turns but then the map suddenly changes back to a straight line to the destination. Maybe I got a lemon? If the add on maps don’t work than the fenix 3 is light years ahead cosmetically and provides nearly the same functionality. I really want this watch to just work! I’ve been lusting after it since its announcement and now I’ve been let down. P.S. Before updating the firmware, the touch was very responsive but that’s no longer the case.

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    • lastoneleft

      That does not sound promising. Wonder if the delay in shipping is really distribution problem ( this is what Garmin told me, when I asked them about availability) – or a fundamental problem with the software or with the hardware. At this point, I am not too much convinced if I should wait for this product, or try somewhere else.

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    • Volker_I

      I think there is something wrong with your device. Maybe, you have got a lemon. Mine is working fine with fw 2.20.

      Was this problem a one time problem or do you have it every time?

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    • Kyle

      I have had a few reboots myself. Mostly when I try to do a Navigation Course but it works when I go back into it after it reboots. Ive got a couple day hiking trip this weekend which will make my mind up I believe. My main complaint is not being able to quickly select/skip waypoints.

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  191. Kyle

    Here is a run I did with the epix and ambit 2s. Ignore the time because i had to walk twice, one because my bluetooth headphones died and for a small part of the woods the trail is grown in so i have to walk through that since the guy wont let you walk along the woodline to get to the road. Also im a terrible runner(Just started running a month ago.) who mountain bikes and hikes alot more.
    You can see a very small sample on how it does with treecover, most of forest part is trail, its very small though. Im going on a 2 day hiking trip this weekend so ill compare there also.
    Of note…Both devices were 1sec recording. At the end the ambit 2 read .3 higher for mileage. (2.67 vs 2.70)

    link to mygpsfiles.com

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    • Kyle

      Also..In Garmin Connect the time is only about ten second off, but when I export as gpx and upload it to the site reads alot longer or some reason.

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    • Shane

      Thanks for posting that Kyle dont suppose you did the same with your old fenix 3 and Ambit?

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  192. Shane

    looks like the uk guys and girls going to be the last to get there’s

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    • DAVID CHAPMAN

      Uh-oh. What have you heard Shane? Cotswold have gone a bit quiet.

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    • Shane

      Should have been last Friday or the start of this week was the last I got?

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    • Alan

      Yeah I heard Garmin lie and then invent stories and basically put their poor customer service reps on the front line of very uncomfortable situations and over promise and under deliver in the UK.

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  193. BL

    Mine was just delivered – I will be going on a run and swim later – anything you guys want me to look out for while trying it out for the first time.

    I already love it! Fluid movement on the touch screen and no glitches yet just playing around the settings.

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  194. Naomi

    Hi folks,

    I ´ll get mine tomorrow! :-)

    Herzlichst! Naomi from Germany

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    • Naomi

      p.s.: my first Epix and last one I hope ! 😉

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    • Naomi

      p.p.s.s: Meaning it`ll be a ” Girl Friday” , if coming on Friday 😉

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    • Alan

      It’s going to look a bit like olive oil wearing her boots or a pea wearing a baseball cap.

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  195. Kyle

    I still think its ridiculous Ray doesn’t have a unit yet. He should have had his 3 weeks ago when they started popping up around the Garmin pages. Between the Fenix 3 and Epix Garmin has lied to him not to mention communicated horribly to consumers about shipping times.

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    • Andrej

      How do you know he doesn’t have his unit yet? He hasn’t mentioned anything so far this week. Or did I miss something?

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    • Kyle

      He should have his unit a few weeks before it goes on sale. I don’t see what you’re point is with being a hobby. I never stated Ray has a unit and not saying. He usually does YouTube videos leading up to the review. Obviously you guys didn’t pay attention to the Fenix 3 release when same thing happened.

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    • Shoulda…coulda…woulda.

      I’ve long since given up on trying to figure out which products I get ahead of time and which ones I wait for. Sometimes I think it’s tied to which ones they think are rougher.

      I don’t have Epix yet, though I’ve had Vector2 for a bit now. I might walk down the street and see if the store there has the Epix unit in stock and pick one up. Heading down to the Alps next week, so seems appropriate.

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    • Kyle

      Ray, On a side note, before when were were disagreeing about the Fenix 3 altimeter on the Fenix 3 review comments…..now that I have the Epix the Altimeter is spot on so just like the GPS in the F3 unit I had I guess the Altimeter was screwed up also. All is good in the world

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  196. rabbit

    Normally he gets his test unit a month before the official release (I think so), that he can release his ” test report” in time with the unit release…maybe something went wrong due to garmin, perhaps he didn’t have time to test…

    This here is something like a hobby for him and he spend his spare time with it (and he does always a great job!). Thanks a lot for this!

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  197. Kristian Sørum

    Will these maps work on the Epix? Especially the Topo Summer or Topo Summer II

    link to frikart.no

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  198. BL

    How do you access the apps while you are in an activity?? If I am in an activity, I want to be able to use the Music Controller and as soon as I hit the back button to go back to my apps, it thinks I want to use the LAP button since the BAC/LAP button are the same – this make no sense. I thought I might be able to add it as a data field or page but it wont allow me to. Same with the MAP, do they think I wont want to view the map during an activity? I hope I am just doing something wrong.

    I am actually going to read the manual now 😀 😀

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    • rabbit

      You can enable the map page in each activity. Settings:apps (choose one): data screen:scroll down to map

      From an activity on the widget page: long press on the down button, back to the activity with pressing the back button

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    • BL

      I just did a long press on the down button and it did exactly what I was wanting :)

      Thanks! I am usually pretty good at this stuff lol.

      While I was messing around in the settings, I realized it had the option to stick to roads – I am going to try the 24k maps again and see if they work with that because yesterday they just drew a straight line but I wasn’t aware of that setting. SO MANY SETTINGS lol

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  199. rabbit

    “Straight line” sounds for me, if “direct routing” is enabled. To route on the streets you must choose a different one, for example “hike” ( if the 24k map is routable).

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  200. BioTrue

    Will someone please let me know if the Epix will do paperless geocaching?

    I have a pre-order through LL Bean, but will be canceling it and sticking with the Fenix 2 if the Epix doesn’t do Geocaching. Thanks advance!

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    • rabbit

      My epix doesn’t support paperless geocaching at the moment. Don’t know, if it generally not support it if or will be added/activated with a upcoming few update. Perhaps dc knows more?

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  201. Naomi

    Hi folks,

    Garmin Epix Review

    link to youtube.com

    Herzlichst! Naomi

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  202. Andrej

    Great, I watched his unboxing yesterday, but it was in Dutch, so I didn’t understand a word he was saying. Glad he switched to English :).

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  203. I’ll just leave these two here:

    Epix Unboxing Video: link to youtu.be

    First Run GPS Comparison (Half Dense City, Half Trails): link to mygpsfiles.com
    (Update: I’ve placed all my comparisons here in this nifty table: link to dcrainmaker.com)

    Note: Both the F3 and Epix were new out of box from retail stores, then updated with latest public firmware. I set both to 1s recording and both to GLONASS on. I did not change any default altimeter settings on either however (I normally do, just didn’t think to). On the V800, no additional calibration done (for better or worse).

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    • Paul S

      Hmm, there seems to be corner cutting in some places like people complain that the F3 is doing. It’s annoying that mygpsfiles doesn’t allow good close ups of the track, but I see the Epix track is on Strava. Were you on pavement the whole time or are there paths that don’t show on Strava’s (Google’s) map there.

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    • Once I entered the forest I was mostly trying to avoid pavement. A few seconds where I ran on it, and then would dip onto trails that crossed it, or trails that were a few meters alongside the pavement. Many (most?) don’t show up on Google Maps unfortunately.

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    • Maxim

      mygpsfiles does allow close ups. Just switch Google Maps into Satellite mode and you can get really close up.
      Ray, seems like V800 produces much smoother track with superior precision. Epix is not too bad (just look at first switchback at the car park), Fenix3 is poor.

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    • Nikolai

      Just tick the “terrain” option on the map off and you’ve got the full range of zoom.

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  204. Raul

    Hi,

    I see the differences between V800 and the other Garmins (F3 and Epix) in the DISTANCE.

    Have you test and compare the new gamins with the 910 IN distance?

    I have a 910 and I’m very worried about the assurance in the distance of the Fenix3.

    Anyone else?

    Thanks

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  205. Naomi

    Hi folks,

    Garmin Epix In Depth – Navigating Maps Functions

    link to youtube.com

    `n Lachen und`n Knuff!
    Naomi

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    • Richard Kaufmann

      That video is not a compelling sales pitch. The way the reviewer was fumbling with the buttons, and couldn’t get it to reliably do what he wanted was pretty damning. It’s funny how in some categories “good enough” is actually good enough. I haven’t seen anything compelling enough to warrant the replacement cost of my trusty FR620.

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  206. naomi

    Hi Folks,
    my first impression of my “Girl Friday”(I hope it will become one :-) )

    it needed more time to understand it ,comparing with Fenix 2, FR620,FR 920xt or Polar RS 800(of course) )
    the touch is ok, but not as good as FR620 one( if you are a lucky man having got FR 620 with good one)
    Readability in sunlight and at night Epix is much much better than FR620 is, but not as good as FR 920xt(especially the numerals are bigger, broader, wider on 920 than on Epix)
    Watchstrap of Epix is real horror ! IMVHO! I like the watchstrap of Fr 620 and also of FR 920xt but I hate the one of Epix. It seems to be a different material, something like pure gum or rubber and it feels not good on my skin.While running that feeling becomes even wores ,My skin sweats a lot under the watchstrap and the material feels even more disgusting than if it´s dry.
    Not for daily use if your are a woman with small wrist or if you don´t like wearing a rock on your wrist all day long 😉

    Seid herzlich gegrüßt!
    Naomi

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  207. Kyle

    So I’ve had my Epix for 1 week now. Ive used it for running, mountain biking and hiking. I purchased it because of the map capabilities when out in the woods.Needless to say I’m not impressed. The watch constantly under-performs. I dont know if its because of the processor, the amount of RAM or the software.

    Here is video of the amount of lag I see on the watch. You can see the maps take forever to catch up. Also at times the watch just freezes and buttons or touches don’t work until it catches up. When it catches up you see that instead of going “back” it uses the lap function because its lagging behind.
    link to youtube.com…ature=youtu.be

    That video was taken during my overnight hiking trip. You can also see that for the 4 data screen page the elevation is halfway into the 1st data screen too. Easy fix by Garmin but should have not been missed in testing. You can also see that if you have the elevation field in the left 2 boxes it will be cut off as seen here. link to drive.google.com…ew?usp=sharing
    It should read “3759” but instead reads 759 because the 3 is cut off.

    Also of note, maybe its just user error but when I got into my campsite i pressed stop and “resume later” Just to make sure i put it on my external charger for a couple min just to get it back to full. Well when I did that it apparently restarts because in the morning i went to resume the activity and i couldn’t. It was saved and I had to restart another one. Wasnt happy. Im not sure why you cant resume any activity you have saved anyway?

    The bottom line is I just dont think I can justify the $550 on a device that has these performance issues. I just dont think the Epix is ready for prime time. My 2 year old Suunto Ambit 2 does most of what the Epix does except for Maps. But if the Epix Map capabilities are not really usable then it defeats the purpose. So I think unfortunately I am going to return my Epix and keep using my Suunto because the Epix doesn’t performance like I thought/hoped it was going to.

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    • Kyle

      Opps, must of messed up something. Anyway heres the link to the video and picture of the comment.

      video
      link to youtube.com

      picture
      link to drive.google.com

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    • Paul S

      What maps do you have on it?

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    • Kyle

      I have Northeast 24k. Its not bad when sitting here at my desk but during an activity with GPS and whatever else it lags like you see on the video.

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    • Alan

      There are basically two users posting videos on youtube right now of their Epix, you and a guy in Belgium and both units are showing the most excruciating lag that goes on for minutes so it’s not a once off. I do think it can be fixed with software because the maps are fluid zooming in and out so the processor seems up to the job but needs optimisation with the panning feature. I agree with you though that this is not ready for release at this stage.

      See here:
      link to youtube.com

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  208. Naomi

    Hi folks,
    I did not yet tested map function , but he did one week now. he has used it for running, mountain biking and hiking and did a video:
    Garmin Epix Map Lag
    link to youtube.com

    text here:
    link to forums.garmin.com

    Herzlichst!
    Naomi

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    • Naomi

      Ups! I beg your pardon! Haven´t seen the posts above. My laptop was laging…

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  209. Paul S

    The whole map set or just a part?

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    • Kyle

      Its the northeast, its a region map. I didnt have option to install just a state or two. Regardless it comes in at 3gb and the watch holds 8gb of data so it shouldnt be a problem. I also still have 4gb left of space on my watch since I dont have any other maps installed.

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    • Paul S

      MapInstall will give you that option, but BaseCamp doesn’t. (You’re newtonfb on the Garmin forums?) I have the 24k US Northeast TOPO maps, and when my Epix arrives from Clever Training next month I had planned to put them on, but only a few states worth. I’m wondering if the map set is too complex for the Epix to handle the entire thing, because the 100k’s that are packaged with the Epix have less detail and aren’t routable, even though they cover a much wider area. I get a free month of beta testing from the people who took advantage of the REI exclusive before I have to try, so I’m trying to learn as much as I can about it in the meantime. If the 24k TOPO’s don’t work reliably, even just a portion, I’ll try openmtbmap.

      I never assume a new Garmin device will work properly and reliably for at least a few months after it’s released, and I won’t actually need my Epix until November at the earliest. It’s my cross country skiing watch, and typically I don’t get to ski until December.

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    • Kyle

      Yea thats me. I guess I should just change my name on here to match.
      Yea the 24k do have a lot of detail so the watch might notbhave enough juice to use them. As I stated before the maps are pretty fluid just using during non activity but when you’re in activity when GPS is on is when I experience the lag.
      I haven’t tried the osm. I just can’t justify $600 if the main feature doesn’t work like expected for me.

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    • Paul S

      I’m SCHINDER on the forums (last name).

      One thing that Garmin topo maps do on Garmin devices, including the Epix I believe, is relief shading to bring out the topography. That might be processor intensive enough to make a difference, although my Edge 800 seems to handle it OK (OTOH, the shading is not very pronounced there). So there’s a possibility that OSM maps might work better.

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    • Lampropeltis

      There is no terrain shading on the Epix. At least not currently and I would be suprised if Garmin added it.

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  210. David

    The map lag noted in the YouTube video above is not what I’ve experienced. That lag was ridiculously long. Map lag for me is no more than 1-2 seconds max. I have my issues with the Epix, for sure, but map lag is not one of them.

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    • Alan

      Good to hear but which maps and how much have you loaded on it? Also, curious what are the other issues you allude to?

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  211. rabbit

    Maybe the 24k usa topo makes problems on the epix? The map scrolling on the topo germany v7 winter map (routable, about 2,7 gb, 1:25000) is fast, 1-2 seconds, too. Nothing to be worried about for me.

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  212. Volker_I

    Did some more test with route calculation. I set a wp 30 km away from my home.

    With the routable topo germany v7:

    Hike mode: 24 seconds
    Bike mode: 1 min 20 seconds
    Car mode: 1 min 37 seconds

    for the route calculation.

    With cn nt germany map:

    Hike mode: 12 seconds
    Bike mode: 31 seconds
    Car mode: 20 seconds

    for the route calculation.

    With openmtbmap germany:

    Hike mode: 17seconds
    Bike mode: 1 minute 29 seconds
    Car mode: 1 minute 23 seconds

    for the route calculation. Did every calculation 3 times and took the average of time.

    The route calculation depends also on the enabled avoidances, so it is not easy to compare the times from different users.
    Not bad, I think. For bike it could be a little faster…

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  213. Naomi

    Dear Ray,

    would you please so kind and cancel my posts #578 , #579 and this one.
    I wanted that matter discussing, not seen that was already posted.
    I beg your pardon!

    Herzlichst!
    Naomi

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    • Alan

      Ray, I don’t suppose you could consider adding page numbers to this site because scrolling to the bottom of the comments on my tablet is like a gym workout right now.

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    • Kyle

      Switch to mobile view and new comments will be at the top of comments instead of bottom

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    • Naomi

      Dear Kyle,
      please can you explain how you switch “mobile view” ?
      my laptop runs on Windows 8.1

      thanks a lot!
      Herzlichst Naomi

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    • matt

      You can just select the scroll bar on the right and drag it to the bottom in a second.

      I would really prefer not having pages. I like being able to read all the comments on one page.

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    • Alan

      I found a workaround as I also use Windows 8.1 with a tablet and it was bookmarking a comment eg.

      link to dcrainmaker.com

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  214. BL

    I just spoke with REI and am having a return label sent – I went on an 80 mile ride this week and the maps were taking as long as 20 seconds to load when I had a course loaded into the watch. The watch turned off the very first time I loaded the course and it also shut off once during my ride at about 60 miles in.

    Now to decide between the Fenix 3 and the 920xt – I loved my 310xt but I do not understand what benefits that the Fenix 3 provides that the 920 doesn’t :)

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  215. Shane

    Hi BL

    I had a 920 and sold it for a fenix3. if you want a sports watch for running etc get the 920xt if you want a everyday,hiking,sports watch get the fenix3.
    For running I liked my 920xt I just found it easer to read but as an EDW it looked a little strange. I have a epix on pre order but after reading what its like I found myself seeing what deal I can get on a 920 and use it just for running and the fenix for all other.
    Do you need to know temp?

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    • BL

      Thanks for replying :)

      I had the 310xt and to be honest, I really didn’t need to update at all but I liked the Open Water function that the 920XT can provide and then my 310XT started acting up so I was about to buy the 920 back in Feb when I saw that the Epix was announced. I don’t need to know the temp, I don’t hike at all, and I have a Fitbit Charge that I wear as my everyday watch.

      I purely need this for Swimming, Riding, Running. I liked the Epix because of the mapping, but after loading the 24k and having it lag very poorly, then removing the 24k and only using the 100k, it was alright except for when I loaded a course – it has been very slow loading maps. There were multiple points where the map was completely blank because it had not loaded yet. There were multiple times during my ride where I tried to switch data pages and it wouldn’t respond at all, then it would flip through three pages really quickly because that is how many times I hit the button – but sometimes it would wait 20 seconds (literally) before doing any of that. When the lap notification would come up, the any time over an hour was skewed and looked like gibberish (like the numbers were laid over each other because there wasn’t enough room to fit an hour indicator). At one point during my ride, I paused the workout during a break, when I started it back up, it started a completely different activity when I hit the “Resume” option. Also, on two different occasions when I loaded the course, it restarted the watch and I had to load the course again.

      Way to many glitches for comfort. I have been waiting and waiting with excitement for this watch to release but am starting to think the 920XT should have been my option from the get go.

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  216. Hi All-

    For those interested in Epix GPS data comparisons, I’ve consolidated all of my data to date (albeit just since Saturday) into a single semi-temporary comparison page & table: link to dcrainmaker.com

    It includes the distances of all devices I was wearing for each activity, plus a link to MyGPSFiles with all of the activities available for your zooming around and such.

    I’ll be updating it every few days with new activities, though keep in mind that many of my activities are indoors (i.e. swims and trainer rides) – which won’t have GPS accuracy aspects.

    Cheers.

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  217. volker_I

    For your feature/function comparison :

    Tides: yes ( with optional bluechart map)
    Paperless geocaching : no (at the moment?)

    Regards

    Volker

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  218. Andrew HUSSEY

    Just in case anyone’s interested my Epix arrived to my French home from an Italian supplier this morning.

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    • dam

      My Epix landed on my desk 3 hrs ago from an Italian authorized distributor. Very first impressions: the watch looks awesome, no lag when scrolling the map, it acquired the satellites very quickly.

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    • david chapman

      Could you say which Italian supplier?

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    • dam

      Yes, Farmaweb S.r.l.
      You can find it also on eBay

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  219. dam

    see Electronic Shop (placed in Maglie (Lecce), South of Italy) where I’m from.

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  220. Bob

    Ray on your review, please show a video of transferring the data to a phone (android or iphone) with otg, without an internet connection. I’d like to see this as I won’t have internet for a while. How many tracks can you store? Does it use the same storage as maps? Thank you

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  221. Patrik

    Now I have been out of the store and bought my Epix.
    So now they exist in Sweden :)

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  222. John Hedberg

    So far I love my Epix. Extremely light despite its bulk. Battery life is terrific (no exact stats yet, but it appears it can go for weeks with Bluetooth always on and mild use of GPS), and it recharges incredibly fast (in 20 minutes it recharged from 55% to 100%). It lasts longer than my Pebble! The recharge cable is well designed and secure so you can recharge while wearing the watch. No problems with maps so far (City Navigator, Arizona Topo from GPSFileDepot). Screen packs a lot more information than Fenix 3, even though Fenix 3 has a higher resolution. The vibration is really strong and you can set multiple alarms. My only complaint so far is it sometimes briefly loses it’s bluetooth connection, even when just a few feet from my phone.

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  224. DAVID CHAPMAN

    Got my hands on one at last. Ordered from Italy early hours Friday arrived this morning. Very unimpressed with Garmin UK and Cotswold, pre order cancelled. Wonder how long it will take them to refund me.

    Anyone managed to get free maps working on theirs?

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    • shane

      CW keep telling me early part of next week

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    • Alan

      CW finally received stock on Wednesday. Garmin are a joke in the UK by misleading customers and their major retailers also.

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  225. J1

    Yes CW been saying that for 4 weeks. Garmin generally fail to deliver on its estimates, esp for UK so nothing new here. Cotswold can only pass the information on that they are given, but they have always maintained that May 2015 was only an estimate and that it could change. I hope to have mine end of July but no rush. It’s not life or death – whenever its good and ready.

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    • Alan

      Agree, it is only Garmin who were messing Cotswold around. The CW buyer needs to grip them.

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  226. Lampropeltis

    I’ve had my Epix for several weeks now. My intended use was for hiking, running, and hunting. I really miss the EPE and Satellite Status screen. I’m also experiencing plenty of crashes and other hiccups in the firmware. So much so that I’m contemplating returning the watch.

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  227. Ron Daalhuizen

    Below some problems I encountered in my first days of use. Some may be solved easily albeit I checked the manual already and could not find it. If anyone knows what to do, your input is highly appreciated. Other items seem to be real bugs in the software. Note that I only listed problems. Further it is simply a great machine.

    1. Epix Return/Lap button: The return button is also the lap button. If during a running activity you by accident push the back button twice (which can easily happen if you are getting tired), a lap will be recorded which you did not want. If you had auto lap on 1 kilometer, it will not report anymore the 1 kilometer laps on your total run. Example: if you push lap by accident at 6.4 kilometers, next autolap is not at 7 kilometers and 8 etc but at 7.4, 8.4 etc. This is not desired
    2. Epix Tracklog color: The tracklog of a running activity has a light blue / cyan color. It cannot be adjusted. Would be nice if that can be adjusted manually. The cyan color is hardly visible on the map, especially when running near water.
    3. Epix Navigating a (gpx) track fails (re-starts): When uploading a (gpx) track and selecting this under navigation to follow it, this only rarely succeeds. Most of the times the Epix re-starts. Sometimes it does start navigating a track and I start running but then the Epix re-starts during the activity which is even worse!
    4. Epix Widgets Connect IQ look like being from the 1970’s: Would be good if Garmin team would check all Connect IQ items to see if it really works on the Epix and (may be even more important) if it really looks nice on the Epix. I tried a few clock and battery widgets but these look terrible, as if they were made in the 1970’s.
    5. Epix Bluetooth sync error: Epix most of the times gives a sync error when it should sync an activity via Bluetooth through the Connect App on my iphone. Only possibility then is to sync through USB
    6. Epix Pause/Resume not start where it was paused: If during a running activity you need to pause, most logical is to push the start/stop button. If you want to continue push the start/stop button again and it will indeed continue where it was paused. However, if the pause is somewhat longer, did not measure how long, the information from the activity will not be visible anymore but the Epix returns to the clock-screen. If you then want to resume, you should push the start/stop button again and select ‘resume’, but it then starts a new activity so starts at zero, albeit in the background it keeps track of the total workout but without showing all details on the screen. When syncing with Garmin Connect the activity is not one activity but a multi sport activity broken down in several parts. That is not what I would want. If I pause and thereafter resume, it should resume where paused. During the pause it should not return to the clock-screen.
    7. Epix Open source maps very slow: Maps from opensource OpenCycleMap can be put on the Epix but these are very very slow. The refresh rate of the Epix is so slow it can hardly be used to navigate. Not sure what causes this and what can be done about it.
    8. Epix No warnings if not on course anymore: Noticed that when the navigation in running mode did work and I follow a (gpx) track, it is not consequent in telling me if I’m still on the course. Sometimes it warns me with sound and vibration and showing it on the watch, but sometime I left the course (for quite some meters) on purpose and did not get any reaction from the Epix.
    9. Epix Go to option hard to activate: Navigating with the “go to” option (point a place on the map to navigate to): often when pushing the screen it does not show the ‘go to’ option but instead tell you what kind of road it is. What to do in that case?

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    • David

      Just wanted to second everything that Ron has stated in his review above. I’ve had exactly the same problems. As things stand now, the degree of usefulness of this watch is very low. I’m sending mine back to REI this weekend.

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  228. I received my watch about 2 weeks ago. So far I used it for taper weekend workouts as well as a Half Ironman. Here are my thoughts:

    Battery Drain: The first few days the battery drain was AWFUL. I literally could look at it and “watch” the number going down. I believe that the SW update fixed this because I have not had this issue since updating. I am currently running SWV 2.20. I charged it prior to my half ironman on Saturday night, used it to race, and have used it for one cycle workout since then as well as daily use as a watch. My battery is now at 37% (today is Thursday and the HIM was on Sunday). I am pleased with that. I will be doing an Ironman at the end of June so I will report back on how the battery survives (Expected finish 13-14 hours at IM CDA).

    Screen: So, I confirmed yesterday it is not just my mind playing tricks on me. My screen is hard to read when the backlight isn’t on. The 920 XT was much easier to view quickly. The backlight is adjustable. I am going to set it on “Stays On” and see how it drains my battery. I will update this after testing it.

    Bluetooth: Under the packaged SW the bluetooth was HORRIBLE. I believe that was part of the ridiculous battery drain…constantly connecting, disconnecting, and reconnecting to my phone. Since the update to software version 2.20 it has been better. I feel that it loses connection about as frequently as the 920XT. This isn’t desirable but not horrible either. I have had to Pair it with my Mobile Phone numerous times. Again, I saw this problem with the 920XT as well so it isn’t new just annoying the issue hasn’t been fixed.

    Accuracy: I have been too lazy to test the Epix with my 920 (which I had a series of issues with and intend on returning to REI) as far as GPS accuracy…especially since Ray is busy working on that. No reason to reinvent the wheel. I will say that my HIM measured 70.14 instead of 70.3. Experience says that usually if a race measures short then it is short. So my assumption is that the bike and run WERE short. However, I haven’t really compared to anyone else to see if theirs were also short. Please note that if the distance using the tanget method was 70.3 then the Epix should have measured considerably longer because I was hot, tired, and too lazy to focus on cutting the tangets.

    Ease of Use: The first few days it was tricky to get used to using. Muscle memory meant I pressed the wrong buttons a lot. I was nervous I would totally screw up triathlon mode during the HIM (getting triathlon mode with transitions correct should earn some sort of an award) using the new watch just out of button habits. However, I did several practice runs and actually did not mess it up once (yeah me!). I prefer the start/stop and lap buttons on the face like the 920. To me these are easier to press during a swim drill or when you want to enter/exit transition. They don’t require me to flip my wrist or move my hand. BUT, I have figured it out and believe that the side is probably fine.

    Notifications: Part of the reason I got the 920 and Epix was for the notifications. I am a mother and work at a hospital so in the past when riding/running and my phone would ring I would HAVE to stop what I was doing to make sure it wasn’t my daughter, patient, or a physician I work for. Having notifications pop up so that I know when I can “ride on” or when I need to stop is awesome. The notifications on the Epix are improved in that you can read the whole text message. I like that. Before I would sometimes get curious based on the one line teaser on the watch and interrupt my workout unnecessarily.

    Music Control: Okay, this is totally not necessary…but I think it is cool. I am a nerd. I know. But if I am using a standard earphone in my one ear (for safety) and I want to skip a song I can easily do it from my watch while running without having to do it from my phone. Just cool. I like it.

    Calendar: So, for some reason I like this too but it is very much not necessary. But, well, why not.

    Weather: Not necessary but kinda cool. I can just look at my watch to see the hourly or daily weather. I am sure it is just as accurate as every other weather prediction tool (insert eyeroll here).

    Temperature: I like this. Mostly I like that it tracks temperature and puts it into TrainingPeaks and Garmin Connect. This is helpful to consider my HR, Pace, and any impact Temperature might have had. I feel this helps me to evaluate my progress. What is interesting (and this might be a TP thing) is that for my triathlon on Sunday in TP I can see the temperature during my swim (average of 79…not wetsuit legal) and bike (max of 90 degrees…it is just too early for that nonsense) but not my run (average temperature of 93.8). Very weird. In hindsight this is possibly a setting I have wrong in my TP because it DOES show this information in Garmin Connect.

    Recovery Advisor: If I start an activity, do it for 2 minutes testing it, and stop it then it has been known to tell me I need an hour to recover… I don’t really pay attention to the results given for this anyway but it did make me laugh.

    Compass: I love the main compass. For an incredibly directionally challanged girl this is awesome.

    Touchscreen: Happy to report this does lock during activity. The touchscreen is cool for certain things.

    Power Meter search during run: Is it really searching? Why does it show it at the top as if it is looking for something that is never going to be there.

    While writing this, playing with my watch, turning bluetooth on, and turning on backlight my battery has decreased from 37% to 31%. We will see how it works out as I leave it alone and return to work.

    Cheers,
    Angela

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    • Kyle

      Angela, good small review. But you didnt touch on the biggest feature….Maps. It was the main reason why I returned mine. I had the 24k installed and the Lag was real real bad. It seems like others are having the same problem for detailed maps. 100k dont see that big of a deal.

      I had a Fenix 3 for few weeks. The gps stopped working..literally stopped working and the Altimeter was horrible. People said I didnt know how to use the altimeter but I knew something was wrong with it. I sent it back.
      I then got an Epix. GPS seemed good. Altimeter didnt play with much. The maps were laggy as hell. Real bad. Also there were a bunch of bugs with the watch to font size to just random reboots during overnight hiking trips i couldnt justify spending $550. I just dont feel like the unit is ready for production. It could of used a smaller bezel for bigger screen area, much better processor and built in WIFI. Also the software is filled with tons of bugs. I had the unit for 2 weeks and the amount of bugs I found were amazing. How does Garmin not test these units before they are shipped out.
      I took a look on Craigslist and found an Ambit3 peak about 2 hours away for $250!. I took a drive and ended up picking it up from the guy for $200. The thing looked brand new. I was stoked and still am about the steal i found. Needless to say after a few weeks with the Ambit 3 it just blows away the garmin. Sure the color screen would be nice, or connecting to a tempe but the watch just works. I took it on an overnight hiking trip and it was spot on, from the altimeter,gps and battry life. Now with the latest update giving battery life a big boost (200hr in ultra mode). I dont even miss the 1 or 2 apps i downloaded from the disgrace Connect IQ store. I really tried to like Garmin but just too many issues for $500+ devices.

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    • Kyle,
      You are right…nice catch. I haven’t had extensive use of it yet. Truth be told I got my watch the taper weekend prior to my HIM and have so far have only done those basic workouts and my HIM with it. I haven’t had to use navigation yet…really…kinda sorta.

      So, the saturday after I got it I did a trail run. I thought I would be brave and save my starting location, go run, and then when I got close to being done select the saved location and hit “go to”. So, well, I did that. I was supposed to run 6 miles that day and in the end I ran 8 because I didn’t pull off the “go to” option very well. I thought it was working great as I followed the arrow telling me I was less than 1/2 of a mile away. The arrow was following my trail and the distance was decreasing. I was feeling BADASS. THEN, the distance started increasing. The reason is it wanted me to run across a lake to get back to my campsite. I am a triathlete however I am pretty sure my Samsung phone wouldn’t have appreciated the direct route.

      Since that day I have played with the settings a bit to tell it to stay on roads, etc. but I am guessing this won’t be too helpful on trails but it may help me avoid large bodies of water. I haven’t had a chance to test out the maps (I have the Garmin with the 100K loaded) for a run or bike ride since then. I will test it out this weekend and see how delayed it is. I will also test out the courses option and see if it works like the Garmin 800 (which I am hoping to sell since I use the Pioneer Power Meter and would prefer to use that head unit instead of my Garmin 800).

      I will post a navigation update and other thoughts after this weekend. I see on Garmin Connect that there is a new SW update and so I will update it tonight and see how it goes.

      As for a follow-up to the screen viewing and backlight “Always On” – as expected that depleted my battery rather swifty yesterday. I charged the watch last night (which, it does charge super fast) and started this AM at 100% at 3:30 am. I turned on the backlight as “Always On”. I did a 45 minute pool swim and a few minor tweaks with it to test the Music option with Audible based on Jill’s post. Right now it is 1:51 pm and my battery is at 68%. So…clearly leaving the backlight ON is not an option. SO….does everyone feel their watch seems dimmed or is it just mine? Is there some setting to make it less dim without turning on the backlight?

      Cheers,
      Angela

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    • So I feel a little like a moron Kyle 😉 because your post had me thinking more about the maps function. I just realized that when my battery was depleted at record speed when I first received the watch (prior to updating the SW) I turned off as many functions as I wasn’t using at the moment to try to pinpoint the drain. So…I had the general maps, altimeter, and barometer off. Genius….not. So, thanks to your observation I have turned it on and will do some playing around this weekend.

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  229. Ron Daalhuizen

    Solution to this one mentioned above:

    6. Epix Pause/Resume not start where it was paused: If during a running activity you need to pause, most logical is to push the start/stop button. If you want to continue push the start/stop button again and it will indeed continue where it was paused. However, if the pause is somewhat longer, did not measure how long, the information from the activity will not be visible anymore but the Epix returns to the clock-screen. If you then want to resume, you should push the start/stop button again and select ‘resume’, but it then starts a new activity so starts at zero, albeit in the background it keeps track of the total workout but without showing all details on the screen. When syncing with Garmin Connect the activity is not one activity but a multi sport activity broken down in several parts. That is not what I would want. If I pause and thereafter resume, it should resume where paused. During the pause it should not return to the clock-screen.

    Hi, by trial and error found out a solution for this stupid thing that made me feel like the watch is useless for my long workouts in which for sure I would need some breaks. This is what I did:

    – When you pause, after a while the clock will appear
    – When you want to start again after a break, press the start button
    – When you would go through with what would appear logical (select running if you were running and selecting resume), don’t do that but instead press the lap button and thereafter press the lap button again.
    – Your workout will appear where you stopped it for a break. Press start to continue that workout.

    Regards.

    Ron

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  230. Jill McKinley

    I am going to take my new watch out for a test while camping/hiking/biking/kayaking this weekend. I have noticed the Garmin 24k maps do well as long as other maps are turned off. I have not tried to do much with the maps yet but will but it seems to respond reasonably. Bluetooth fails for me if other Bluetooth devices are nearby. When I am away from other devices like my car and house, it works. That probably isn’t much of a comfort.

    The fitness aspects have been working well for me. I have done biking with cadence and running with a RUN strap. If I do not use the resume function but instead use the recommendation mentioned above it continues nicely.

    I am not much of a heavy GPS user but overall my experience has been very good with the watch.

    There are two things I think do not work very well. The Music control app only works with music and not podcasts or Audible books. Hopefully a new app will be developed that will just play and pause any app on IOS. The Step counts are not right. I use a Fitbit One and do not get extra steps because of arm swings because it is located elsewhere. Still the steps count is down about 25%. The sleep metric isn’t very useful. I will continue with my Fitbit because of these issues and the fact it does steps too.

    Connect IQ is goofy and doesn’t always work right away. It does the trick eventually.

    In the end I am happy with Epix as an upgrade to Fenix 1. I hope the weekend in the outdoors helps define it better.

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    • Jill,
      I noticed while playing around yesterday that on Garmin Connect on my mobile phone there is a spot under “settings” which lists a “Default Music Player”. If you click on that you can select what you want it to start. Granted…it won’t allow you to change it from your watch (i.e. Audible to music, etc.) if you use one the majority of the time you can set it up there. So, for instance, if you know during a workout you will be using Audible you can select that on Garmin Connect on your phone and then sync your watch to it. It will change what it opens upon using it. I don’t have a lot of books downloaded yet on my phone and so I haven’t tested to see how well it works on Audible. Other options on MY Andriod phone include Kindle, Amazon Music, Car Mode, Cloud, Flipboard, Google Play Music, Google Play Newsstand, Multimedia UI Service Layer, S Voice, Slacker Radio, Video clip studio, Video Player, and Voice Recorder. Let us know how it works for you.

      Cheers,
      Angela

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    • Maxim

      Jill, it’s actually FitBit over-reporting step count. Same thing if I compare Garmin Vivosmart and FitBit Charge HR, or any other pedometer. FitBit tends to repor