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  1. David
    January 22, 2014

    Looking at the Omega Wave website, I believe the pricing is $49/year or $4.99/mo. Not both as stated in your article. I honestly think this unit sounds affordable for personal use.

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    • Struan Lownie
      January 22, 2014

      Thats my understanding as well annual or monthly fee not both

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    • Rainmaker
      January 22, 2014

      Thanks all, updated.

      As for affordability, it’s basically a $150 ‘entry fee’. While I think the front of the pack athlete won’t have an issue buying into that, I think that’s going to be hard to justify for middle or back of pack athletes. Which are ironically the same athletes that could probably benefit the most from it from understanding how to train smarter.

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    • David
      January 22, 2014

      Regarding $150 entry fee. I like Anders below would like to know what is more affordable for a non-windows user?
      TP premier is $120/year. And it doesn’t really measure your fatigue. It estimates it from your accumulated TSS, which in and of themselves are all estimates. Especially if you don’t have a power meter. (And apparently with some e-mail exchange with them, if you run intervals. That is rTSS is only valid for consistent effort runs.)
      Firstbeat Athlete is $70 + cost of windows + cost of virtualization software. I have a 910XT, so no additional equipment there.
      A new watch that supports it, Polar/Garmin 620 both > $150.

      I did find a couple of native HRV tools that ran on Mac, one ran in a Matlab run time environment. And one that ran in R. But both of those sounded like statistics gathering tools. I believe the actual analysis with respect to training/recovery still needs to be done by the athlete.

      My only real concern is the $49/year forever, and that currently the data is hostage on their web-site. They say they are working on an API. But it isn’t out yet.

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    • Eli
      January 22, 2014

      Firstbeat Athlete doesn’t calculate fatigue, it just calculate how hard you worked on your runs so similar to how trainingpeaks works but less of a guess calculating work load. (In that training peaks also only looks at how hard you work)

      Firstbeat Sport does the fatigue stuff but is way more pricey then this product.

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    • chicken06
      January 24, 2014

      What is this Fristbeat thing? I have heard of this before, but understood it was just another sports tracking/analyzing software like sporttracks or others.
      I’ ve tried to check it out, but this fatigue R-R measuremnet thing made no sense to me…
      thanks

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  2. lex
    January 22, 2014

    I concur, either annual or monthly fees.

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  3. Happy Runner
    January 22, 2014

    What? No covered fridge pix? Yer slackin’ Ray!

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  4. Trevor
    January 22, 2014

    Is the Ploar H7 (ECG-accurate heart rate to any Bluetooth smart ready device) work with Omegawave?

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    • Anonymous Coward
      January 22, 2014

      Omegawave requires their proprietary sensor with the app, and the sensor only works with their app.

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  5. Anders
    January 22, 2014

    What are the best alternatives for measuring fatigue with a ordinary HR-strap?
    I’ve seen Firstbeat which does this, but they only offer their tech in a Windows-application… except for the stuff they’ve done with Garmin for the FR620.

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    • KenZ
      January 22, 2014

      As @Mark notes below, there’s the iThlete app for $10, and also SweetBeat app (can’t remember the cost), both of which work on your phone and use a BTLE strap such as Polar or Viiiiva from 4iiii. Personally, while I have issues with Viiiiva’s data glitches that occur about 2+ hours into a run, it’s the better options since it does Ant+ and BTLE in the same strap. And their customer service is fantastic.

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  6. Olli
    January 22, 2014

    A great review Ray!

    The next time you’re in Helsinki, drop me a line and I’ll show you some great cycling plus some reindeer stew.

    (re questions here, I believe Firstbeat is from Helsinki as well; I also believe Polar has a way of measuring fatigue)

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  7. Rob
    January 22, 2014

    I struggled with the name Omegawave thinking it may have been inspired by a tribe of Nigerian nomads (you know, a bit like the Fugawi Tribe.) I just couldn’t get it to roll off my tongue smoothly, e.g. Oh-Meh-Gawa-vee etc. Then suddenly I saw it in two words – Omega Wave. Doh!

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  8. Marco Casamassima
    January 22, 2014

    Hi Ray,

    I’ve just one doubt. If everything in Suunto is made by hand in Finland, why, on my Suunto Quest, I can read “Made in China” even if “Designed in Finland”

    Bye,
    Marco.

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    • Rainmaker
      January 22, 2014

      Hmm, strange. They had stated that all product lines were except minor accessories were in-house and emphasized it multiple times. I’ll find out about the Quest, or if there is a secondary line there.

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    • Marco Casamassima
      January 22, 2014

      You can check it yourself 😉 Hope it’s visible. link to drive.google.com

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    • morey000
      January 23, 2014

      My Ambit 2S says “Made in Finland” on the back.

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  9. Kalle
    January 22, 2014

    Most of the products are made in Finland, i.e. all Ambits, all Dive computers. Some of the outdoor/fitness products are designed in Finland / made in China, i.e. Core, Quest and M-series watches.

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  10. Gunnar
    January 22, 2014

    Regarding Suunto. I’m hoping one of those future updates might be Bluetooth uploading to third party software as well as phone alerts to the suunto watch. I know you can’t say, but it would be great to see. I’m really looking for a do it all sports watch, but that means being able to have phone notifications.

    Impressed that the Fins do (almost) everything in house. They do crank out some great products, from sailboats (Nautor Swan, Baltic) to electronics (and nice airports)!

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  11. Ken
    January 22, 2014

    Very interesting post, Ray. I have always used Oceanic dive computers, mostly because they’re a lot less expensive than Suuntos. But I’ve always lusted after the Suuntos and their better UI, and this makes me want one even more!

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  12. Mark
    January 22, 2014

    How does Omegawave differ from something like athlete, which also measures and tracks HRV, but which costs considerably less? The athlete app for iOS costs only $9.99 with no additional annual or monthly fees, and it uses commonly-available bluetooth heart rate straps like the Polar H7 (so zero marginal cost for the hardware if you already have one of these straps).

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    • Mark
      January 22, 2014

      … that’s “ithlete” (another auto-correct victim here).

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    • David
      January 22, 2014

      Thanks for the pointer to ithlete. That might be the solution I am looking for. I would still need to buy a BTLE strap. But They sell one for $80 + $10 app, and no subscription. That’s still under the $150 up front cost of the Omega Wave system.

      Ray, have you looked at ithlete?

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    • Mark
      January 22, 2014

      You can get a Polar H7 on Amazon for $64.95 (free shipping). It definitely works with the ithlete app, as well as other apps that support Bluetooth HRMs.

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    • KenZ
      January 22, 2014

      I’ll re-note the option of the Viiiiva HR strap which is both BTLE and Ant+ so that if you have Ant+ based equipment it can work with both. It’s a shade more expensive, but not by much.

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  13. Stephen-H
    January 22, 2014

    Ray, is firstbeat teamed up with a Garmin FR620 going to do the same job as the Omegawave unit? I am not a front pack runner, but can see what you mean by middle pack runners benefitting. Haven’t pulled the trigger on the FR620 but if it can do both running watch and fitness watch, that can help soften the blow!

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  14. Rainmaker
    January 22, 2014

    For those looking at various other products and comparisons – most of the other products track or do analysis with HRV to some degree (which is ultimately what Polar has done for some time, and Garmin with the 220/620). In cases like FirstBeat, it has previously done that with the data that Garmin recorded.

    Ultimately – the singular reason I made my common around price is because of this. I’d like to understand better (through testing and comparison) how these products compare side by side to Omegawave. Especially since there are a slew of HRV-type products on the market with differing price points. Omegawave noted however that because their strap can give them higher quality data, they can thus give you higher quality data. Again, to what degree that matters is something I’ll look at a bit longer term.

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    • yannis
      January 22, 2014

      Why does Omegawave charge a yearly/monthly fee? If my phone or tablet records/captures my data I am sure that it can analyze it. So what is it we are paying for?

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    • Rainmaker
      January 22, 2014

      It’s for the storage of the data in their online service.

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    • Stephen-H
      January 22, 2014

      Thanks Ray!

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    • Stephen-H
      January 22, 2014

      Ray, I tried to find the Omegawave product on the Clever Training site so you get credit for it, but can’t find it there. Any suggestions?

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    • Rainmaker
      January 22, 2014

      I don’t believe they sell it today. I’ll reach out to them and see if they can get it listed.

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    • Stephen-H
      January 22, 2014

      Is there any other place to go or would you get credit if I bought it directly?

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    • Rainmaker
      January 22, 2014

      No, I don’t see it listed on Amazon either. No worries though, I appreciate the thought!

      I’ve already sent a note over to the CT guys about reaching out to Omegawave. Typically that takes a little bit of time (a day or two if a device company is really quick, weeks if the company isn’t so quick). I don’t know where the sales team of Omegawave fall there.

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    • Stephen-H
      January 22, 2014

      I will keep looking. Maybe Ricardo can set up something with clever training or even a direct link to order. I would love to order one soon!

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  15. Ricardo Velez
    January 22, 2014

    Hi all,

    First, a disclaimer – I work for Omegawave.

    Ray, sorry to have missed your visit in Finland. I tried getting you over there previously, but you are a simply too busy guy! Now I moved to the US, in sunny San Diego, so if you are ever around these part, ping me!

    I would like to pitch in some answers to the questions flying around here.

    For David – The cloud storage is there for safekeeping, but as you noted, we are preparing an API that will allow you to download all data. We are also working on way for you guys to import/export data to other systems.

    For Trevor – The Polar H7 is indeed accurate enough for this, and we are exploring ways of levering that. Stay tuned. Other HR monitors don’t have the accuracy for this analysis.

    In relation to the cost, would you guys feel that a “life time subscription” be a good option? One time fee and be done with that?

    I would love to hear you comments!

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    • Stephen-H
      January 22, 2014

      Ricardo, thanks for the post! I would love the life time subscription oltion! Any comments on how your product is better/different than the firstbeat teamed up with say a Garmin?

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    • Ricardo Velez
      January 22, 2014

      Stephen-H – I think that what Garmin/FirstBeat are doing is great. Using a GPS for acceleration, distance, pace, and HR without knowing if what you are doing is helpful or not is a great tool. Comparing FirstBeat to Omegawave is not a one-to-one affair. They do HRV analysis on your heart beat, and provide you with a metric for stress. What we do is a much deeper analysis on how your heart is beating in response to different stimuli. We do an HRV analysis for cardiac stress, and we recognise the state of recovery that your body is in right now (parasympathetic/sympathetic nervous system balance), that tells us how your body is behaving and adapting (or not) to stress. In addition, our belt does a full ECG analysis, and we take that detailed data and infer your HR at anaerobic threshold with a simple two minute, at rest, assessment. No more gas-exchange all out efforts on the bike to calculate that. Omegawave can also tell you the balance between your aerobic and anaerobic energy pathways, so you can figure out how training is affecting your different energy systems, and if your training is actually delivering the results you want.

      In short! :)

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    • Stephen-H
      January 22, 2014

      Thanks Ricardo! I suspected as much. I’ve been all over your website and downloaded the sample app and it is very impressive! I would love to get started and order one, but it doesn’t seem Ray’s sponsor (Clever Training) carries it yet. Waiting on his response to see if there is a way to order this and still support his website, since I may never have heard of it if it wasn’t for his review. Sure appreciate your quick responses!

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    • Eli
      January 22, 2014

      At least for me, there is the pricing where the product is cheap enough to play with so may as well try it and the expensive product that I need to know how useful it will really be before I invest in it. I’m not a serious athlete.

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  16. Matt
    January 22, 2014

    Hey Ray,
    Previously, you had a “tip-jar” on the blog where readers could provide some kind of financial “thanks” for all your hard work. Is this no longer around? I’m dying to know what reindeer roast taste like, and was willing to pick up the tap. Just paypal your email account?

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    • Alice
      January 24, 2014

      Yeah, I concur with Matt, reindeer-taster-fund-wise :)
      Thanks for not forgetting your less technically-inclined readers, too!

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  17. Ken
    January 22, 2014

    Ricardo
    I already have a Polar H7. I want to buy Omegawave’s service, but as you said in your post, the Polar H7 is accurate enough to use with your analytics. Why not offer Omegawave as a service only option? You could list on your website which heart rate sensors meet your accuracy requirements. As per Ray’s CES coverage, more and more heart rate hardware is coming from many companies.
    Thanks
    Ken

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    • KenZ
      January 22, 2014

      As the “other Ken,” I’ll second this.

      Someone, somewhere needs to do an extensive post comparing all the HRV stuff out there, from the T6 to the iPhone apps to whatever. There are so many “but what about this option” questions that can be posed.

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  18. Eli
    January 22, 2014

    Thought I should point out that the cheap ($69) Firstbeat Athlete program doesn’t calculate fatigue, it just calculates how hard you worked on your runs and infers the fatigue. Firstbeat Sport does the fatigue stuff but is $399 per year or $999 for lifetime.

    I’m guessing omegawave doesn’t track sleep or during sleep?

    Seems like the new sleep tracker from Beddit (link to beddit.com) will do some HRV analysis while you sleep which means it can give you your fatigue level when you wake in the morning. Major advantage of being all automated with no need to attach anything like a HR strap as you sleep on the device. (the Indiegogo version I’m getting will be here in a few days and hopefully the android version of the app will be out soon too) Guessing the Withings one announced as CES might do the same as they seem to be going the same route for method of data collection.

    Any chance you’re working with the Angel device (link to indiegogo.com) as they claim to have raw heart rate data which if true would give you more accuracy then a “normal” HR strap for your data input?

    Ray, does this mean you finally think HRV is useful? 😉

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    • Rainmaker
      January 22, 2014

      From my perspective I see value in HRV, but I have challenges with how the data is presented, and whether or not it’s affordable and further – whether or not its consistent between products. Meaning, the fact that different companies give different ‘suggestions’ on what to do based on HRV data makes it less ideal. For example, Garmin on the FR220/FR620 using the HRV data for recovery will never actually tell you that you need to not run. It only gives you ‘feel good’ suggestions. Basically: It’s too kind.

      Polar displays data differently as well.

      In order for me to start seeing the value, the message needs to be largely consistent across the board. In the same way that if I use a power meter, that data is consistently displayed no matter the vendor I use. How I train with that data is up to me.

      I’d look to look at a bunch of technologies concurrently and see how they shake out. It might be a good spring project. Right now I’m fairly backed up.

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    • Eli
      January 22, 2014

      There is also this which they claim will do HRV but then not much info is out yet so could be real and good or could be vaporwear, don’t know. link to getqardio.com

      The problem with the Garmin stuff is it seems to just be using HRV to judge how hard the workout was and ignoring the rest of the time so it really wouldn’t know how fatigued you are. Needs something that looks at HRV the rest of the day/night

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    • Mark
      January 22, 2014

      Ray, would you consider inviting a guest contributor to do a piece on HRV? btw, I’m not volunteering for this, just suggesting that you might want to consider it to reduce your planned workload.

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    • LV Bob
      January 22, 2014

      The stuff the Angel device is purportedly doing around heart rate analysis is very promising. The secret sauce will be in the software apps that use the device. I suspect that university researchers who will look at the device for extended HRV data collection will be more focused on providing the user with more data rather than the “feel good” suggestions that Ray noted. This will be different than the more fitness-based apps that we have seen thus far. The potential to assess sympathetic v. parasympathetic response will move forward the monitoring of stress: physical, mental and emotional. As someone who suffers from chronic stress, this is the area that I find most interesting. SweetBeat captures this information now but, as Eli noted in general, this is only a snapshot. The continuous monitoring will provide the user with a much better overview of where they are relative to training and other stresses.

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  19. Andre
    January 23, 2014

    Did you ask Suunto about their Moves count API? I’ve been trying to get a hold of someone that will give me accass to their API but no luck so far.

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    • Rainmaker
      January 23, 2014

      Yes, we talked about at it length, including software apps that are taking advantage of it today. Do you e-mail their API address?

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    • Andre
      January 23, 2014

      Their support people gave me the Movescount marketing guy’s email. I’ve tried emailing a few times but never heard back.

      Could you send me an e-mail with the API email you have?

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    • Rainmaker
      January 23, 2014

      Yup, just shot you a note. For others, the API address is here: link to twitter.com

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  20. Stanislav
    January 24, 2014

    Ray, slightly off topic but related to Suunto…
    Do you have plans to test/review Ambit 2R? It would be interesting to learn what’s different from Ambit 2/2S.

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  21. Mark
    January 24, 2014

    Cool post, definitely going to check out Omegawave

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  22. André Faria
    January 24, 2014

    No word on Suunto Ambit 2R on their factory?
    link to forums.watchuseek.com

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  23. Eli
    August 18, 2014

    Any word on the omegawave fitness product mentioned on their site (link to omegawave.com) that says “coming soon”? Can’t seem to find any information about it.

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    • Eli
      August 18, 2014

      Maybe a review of/comparing ithlete and omegawave? are there other companies in the same market?

      Firstbeat Sports sort of is, but an order of magnitude higher in cost at ~$1000+.

      BioForce HRV seems to be based on the same platform as ithlete so seems more like a repackage of the same thing

      Sweetbeat (http://www.sweetwaterhrv.com) and Tinke (link to zensorium.com) don’t seem aimed at athletic testing, but not sure.

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    • 6co2000
      February 21, 2015

      also hoping for that review if it were to come one!!
      Cheers
      6co

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  24. Eli
    August 19, 2014

    Doesn’t seem like any will be at eurobike or interbike :(

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    • Ray Maker
      August 20, 2014
  25. Ricardo Velez
    August 21, 2014

    Disclaimer – I work for Omegawave

    Hi, thanks for the interest in our products!

    The Omegawave Fitness product is, for lack of a better comment, coming soon! Expect some form of announcement in the coming weeks. That’s all I can say for now!

    In terms of Interbike, I wanted to be there, but unfortunately, at this points in time we are terribly busy with other items in the company that prevent me from attending.

    On the topic of comparison, I wouldn’t want to pitch in on this one, and so far, I haven’t seen any direct comparison between the products, as it would be unfair for them to be compared to us.

    Please check a recent write up from StrengthCoach.com on the use of Omegawave – link to strengthcoach.com

    Reach out if you have any questions – ricardo.velez(at)omegawave.com

    Cheers!

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  26. Eli
    July 13, 2015

    Any update on using Omegawave? Seems to be a “Omegawave Personal” for iphone users that’s $149 a year and an Android one that does less and is $59 a year.

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