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Tuesday, February 16, 2010

Tanita BC-1000 Scale Review – In Depth

If you’ve been to any athletic expo in the past few months, you’ve probably seen the Tanita BC-1000 weight scale at one of the booths.  It measures more things than your TI-83 graphing calculator from high school calculus, while at the same time recording it and wirelessly sending it to your Garmin Watch, computer and Garmin Connect online.  Like that expensive TI-83 calculator, the BC-1000 is also a bit expensive. Would the price justify all the bells and whistles it brings to the table?

Well, I set to find out.  Over the past few months I’d been receiving a number of e-mails and comments from ya’ll as to what I thought of the scale and its touted integration with Garmin devices.  So back before Christmas I pinged the fine folks from Tanita and they got me all hooked up with a loaner scale.

But that was pre-Christmas.  And we all know what happens during Christmas… So what better time to test out a scale than post-holiday cookies, in January?  I normally weigh myself every morning anyways, so this would be easy.

Now, this isn’t just a product for serious athletes.  It’s really a product for anyone trying to lose weight (or maintain/gain weight).  It’s just that some of the features most closely fit into tools and products that many runners or triathletes already have.  From a race performance standpoint, weight is hands down one of the biggest factors of speed.  For runners, it’s often noted that each pound is 2 seconds per mile while running for example (10 pounds shaved off would mean 9 minutes in a marathon…).  And cyclists always struggle to find the perfect balance between weight and muscle mass.  Even elite triathletes have to focus on weight to ensure they are at the top of their game.  Of course, at the end of the day – some 67% percent of Americans are struggling with being overweight.

Finally, at the end of the day I’m an athlete just like you, I want the same things out of the equipment I buy.  I don’t get paid to write these reviews, nor do I keep the units sent to me – they all go back after a period of time ranging between 30 and 60 days (in this case, it goes back next week).  I write the reviews merely because I’m interested in them.  I work in technology for a living, so I understand how this stuff works pretty well and can relay what I love and hate about the devices – hopefully allowing you to make a better purchasing decision. But, if I’ve missed something or if you spot something that doesn’t quite jive – just let me know and I’ll be happy to get it all sorted out.  Also, because the technology world constantly changes, I try and go back and update these reviews as new features and functionality are added – or if bugs are fixed.

So, with that bit of background – let’s get onto the action.

Unboxing & Components:

When the box arrives at your doorstep from one of a few different resellers out there, the first thing you’ll notice is it’s actually fairly heavy. 

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The second thing you’ll notice is it’s well padded.  Even the pads are padded in bubble wrap. They clearly wanted no pre-bathroom accidents here.

IMG_8022 Once you get rid of all that environmentally unfriendly Styrofoam, you’ll be left with the following assortment of items:

IMG_8025Let’s go ahead and label them all though, just to make it easier:

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Of course, you’re pretty much just focusing on four key items:

The scale itself:

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The scale’s pads: These little feet fit on the bottom of the scale to lift it slightly off the ground.  But they’re only required when on carpeting.

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The ANT+ USB stick: This is used to wirelessly receive data from the scale and transmit it to Tanita’s Healthy Edge software on your computer.

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The CD-ROM (above, below stick): On the CD is the Tanita Healthy Edge software, along with Help and Readme information.

Outside of that there’s a whole stack of paperwork.  Mostly it’s manuals, manual updates, and information for other Tanita products and accessories.

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So with everything unboxed, let’s get onto using it.

First Use:

After you’re done connecting all the little rubber feet to the scale and validating the batteries, you’ll be ready to use it.  Simply place it on a flat surface, and admire its sleek glass-like appearance:

IMG_1798It’s pretty thin too – check it out from the side view:

IMG_2657And, they have a tiny little warning sticker letting you know that if you have a pace maker you should avoid the scale, and that you should always be barefooted when using it.  Further, they have an odd symbol to the right that seems to indicate you shouldn’t use the scale as a gas pedal in a car.  Go figure...

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About the time you’re finished admiring all the etched logos and details you’ll probably notice the lack of any display to show your weight.  That’s because the BC-1000 requires either an ANT+ watch (such as the Garmin FR-60 or Garmin 310XT) or a computer that you can plug-in the USB stuck.  We’ll start off with the computer aspect and then go from there.  Sound good?

Using it with a computer:

Once you slip the CD-ROM into your computers coffee cup holder, you’ll be able to install the Tanita Healthy Edge software.  A few minutes later you’ll  be set and ready to roll – simply open up the Tanita Healthy Edge Software.

One of the first things you’ll be doing is creating a new user profile.  You can create a bunch of users as well, which is pretty useful if you have more than one person using the scale.  I created 11 users…and then I got tired of creating users – but I’m guessing you can keep on creating more if you’re re-enacting the latest season of The Biggest Loser.

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Once you’ve completed filling out your basic information, you’ll be brought to the main screen from which you can take measurements from:

image This page is fed with information from one of four ways:

1) Via ANT+ Stick direct to scale
2) Via Garmin 310XT
3) Via Garmin FR-60
4) Manually entering in data

Let’s start with using the ANT+ stick to talk to the scale and receive the information.  First, insert the ANT+ stick into your computer.  The next thing you’ll need to do is to stop the ANT+ agent (which may be running if you have Garmin wireless watches), a reminder message displays this at the bottom of the page.  Personally, I think this is a bit of poor coordination between Garmin and Tanita here.  This should be cleaned up and streamlined.  From the menu choose to get a new measurement from the scale:

image That will launch the initiation sequence with the scale via wireless ANT+.  A few seconds later the scale will start to beep and blink green.  This is the scales way of telling you it’s time to get a reading.  The software also displays a message at the bottom of the application as well:

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Once you’ve stepped on the scale, the software let’s you know the measurement has started and to wait just a moment.

image About 2-4 seconds later, the ‘procedure’ is complete and a measurement has been taken.  In order to let you know that it has succeeded, the scale will double-beep that it’s done.  This is your key to depart the scale.  When you’re back at the computer, it’ll show you the updated information:

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(You’ll notice the left hand side data is all filled out, but the right side is empty.  The ride side is for another scales that you might find in a doctors office, more high tech and expensive stuff.  You can also insert notes into the comments field, like I did above.)

Note that the type of measurement is displayed at the top of the page (snippet below) – be it Garmin watch, directly from scale, or manual:

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So now that you have your latest health data in the software directly via the ANT+ stick I’ll talk about some of the other options you have for getting the data from the scale.  After that I’ll get into the software itself a bit more.

Using it with a Garmin FR-60:

When I mentioned to the Garmin folks that the Tanita folks had hooked me up with a loaner BC-1000 – the Garmin folks in turn hooked me up with a demo FR-60.  So what’s the FR-60 you ask?  Well, in short it’s a small fitness watch that supports ANT+ wireless devices, and can record data from the BC-1000.  You can also use it to record runs, bikes, and anything else athletic you can think of.  The coolest and most useful part of the FR-60 to me is that the battery lasts a year.  Sweet!  I put together an in depth review of it a few weeks ago, which you can check out here.

IMGP9323In the wireless ANT+ world of devices there is a concept known as ‘pairing’, which basically tells one ANT+ device about other ANT+ devices.  In this case, we’re going to have the watch connect to the scale to read information.  To do this, we simply hold the top left button (light) down for about 2 seconds.  It initiates a pairing process and begins to scan for the scale:

IMG_1802 About 1-3 seconds later, the scale is found.

IMG_1807The scale beeps, and then starts blinking green.  At the same time, the watch display clears to make room for the incoming data:

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Now you simply step on the scale, wait a few seconds and the recording is made.  A moment or two after that it shows up on your watch:

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And that’s it!  The data is recorded and you’re done.  Super simple.

Now, here comes the cool part.  If you had that USB stick in your computer while this was happening, a few seconds later it’ll automatically transfer that data up to Garmin Connect (I’ll talk about that in a second).  And at the same time, it’ll put the data in a folder that the Tanita Healthy Edge software can pickup as well.  Without a doubt, using the Garmin FR-60 with the Tanita BC-1000 is a perfect match.

And here’s the same thing occurring from the Tanita software once you open it up:

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Note that the Tanita Software allows you to use multiple devices, and can mix and match any Garmin device or devices with any number of users.  It’s REALLY cool in this respect.

So, just so we all understand what happened here:

1) You stepped on scale and it measured your weight
2) It then transmitted it to the FR-60
3A) It’s now automatically transmitted to Garmin Connect
3B) It’s now automatically available to the Tanita Healthy Edge Software

Pretty cool, ehh?

Using it with a Garmin 310XT:

Like the FR-60 I just walked through, the 310XT is also capable of talking with the BC-1000.  And thanks to the latest firmware update (2.70) – the integration is now completely seamless.  I wrote before that it was pretty messy, but 2.70 makes the whole shebang simple and straightforward.

First, you’ll want to go in and enable the scale in the settings – under ‘Weight Scale ANT+’:

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That’s it – now it’s ready to connect!  Just go ahead and tap the power button and it’ll start the initiation sequence looking for it’s floor bound friend:

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The scale will start blinking, indicating it’s ready for you to step onboard:

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Once you’ve stepped on the scale, a few seconds later the data will show up on the watch:

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One little item I thought was sorta interesting is that the 310XT shows you a tiny bit more detail with respect to accuracy than the FR60 does – at least on the device itself (note the decimal places for body fat and hydration):

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Like with the FR-60, the data is automatically transmitted to Garmin Connect via the ANT+ agent, as well as made available to the Tanita software.

Software Options:

Tanita Healthy Edge (included):

As I described a bit above, the BC-1000 comes with the Tanita Healthy Edge Software.  This software offers basic data logging features, as well as some simple and easy to use graphing and analysis.  Since we’ve already walked through how to get the data into the Tanita software via one of the methods above (USB stick, Garmin FR60, Garmin 310XT or manually entered), we’ll jump right into using some of the feature.

Below is the main window which shows all your readings.  In the case of the BC-100, all your data will display from the left hand portion of the screen.  Advanced medical devices you the middle-right portion, and other Tanita devices such as Blood Pressure monitors can use other portions of the application as well.

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Here’s a few those advanced medical devices from within the options menu:

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Note that if you do have any of these devices, or simply have the information, you can always enter it in manually – but neither of these pages are supplied by the BC-1000:

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Back to my data though…You can easily scroll through all your records by using the back/forward selectors at the top:

imageThough, there is no easy calendar picker to simply choose a day (those week/month/year buttons are for the graphs).  You have to scroll through them all one click at at time.  I have 45 measurements in there so far, and I can see that getting a bit unwieldy after time.

The next page you have is the analysis display, which shows you where you stand based on standardized scales for areas like BMI and Body Fat.  You can see the grey line on the colored scales showing the different recommended levels.  You can click the navigation buttons at the top to show different days and see the lines change on the analysis page.

image (I found it interesting that because my body fat is so low, it puts me into a ‘warning’ category.  Despite the application having a classification for athletic (in user options), it doesn’t seem to adjust the body fat percentages accordingly.  Most resources I could find separated body fat percentage ranges  for higher level athletes than those for every day use.)

The next tab over is the graphs section, which allows you to graph umpteen different measurements taken, starting off with simply weight and BMI:

image Now you’ll note that my chart kinda bounces all over the place.  However, it’s bouncing all over the place within a 3-4 pound range.  This is primarily due to my training schedule.  I don’t focus my life around waking up every morning at the exact same weight.  Instead, I focus on a rough range +/- a pound or two.  But, depending on when I did my last workout or how much I ate and how long it’s been, it’ll change these numbers.  I normally measure myself in the morning at the same time every day (per their and many other recommendations – consistency is key).  But if I did 3000y swim, and then a 13 mile run at 8PM the previous night, followed by a late dinner, then things tend to be a little mysterious weight-wise in the morning.  They key with any scale or recording of weight data is trending over time – not a data point on an exact day.   At any rate…food for thought (no pun intended).

On the left side you see tons of options for graphing different pieces of data:

imageYou can look at some of this data and start to notice trends – some more obvious than others.  For example, looking at the above, when my body water % goes up, my weight correspondingly goes up as well.  Now interestingly, if you look at the below (Body Fat % vs Water %) – you’ll notice that they are inversely proportional to each other.  I’m honestly not sure what to make of it quiet yet, but it makes a pretty graphs. ;)  I’m working on reading through Racing Weight (a new book highly recommended by a TON of really fast athletes and well known coaches), and it’s starting to explain some of the details around the data.

image On the top you can choose to sort by week/month/year.  You can also use your mouse to crop into specific date ranges as well, if you want to take a closer look at something.

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From the menu bar you can also print any of the reports that you’d like.:

image You can also print out any of the measurements or analysis pages as well:

image Though, you can’t export out the data, nor print a complete listing of all data points.  Both of which I found kinda lame.  I’d love a simple CSV format that I could export to and pull into Microsoft Excel and start really analyzing the numbers, especially over the course of a year.   Given the data is stored in a mini-database (Microsoft SQL Express for those curious), this would be relatively trivial.  Perhaps in a future post I’ll talk about how you could do this (I am a computer person after all)…

So, that’s the wrap-up of the Tanita Healthy Edge software, let’s go onto the Garmin Connect application.

Garmin Connect:

If you already have a Garmin FR-60 or 310XT, then the BC-1000 is a perfect fit when you add in Garmin Connect.  Garmin Connect is a free application for Garmin device owners that allows you to track your workouts and health data.  I’ve detailed the workout aspects of it extensively in my reviews, such as the Garmin 310XT review.

But here I’ll focus on the health portion instead.  However, before we do that, we’ll want to let Garmin Connect know about the scale.

GCStep1 To do so, we’ll click Getting Started:

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After that you’ll want to either create a new account (if you don’t have one already) – or simply use your existing account.  Then you choose which wireless device you’ll be using.  The setup is basically as simple as that.  Assuming you’ve already installed the Garmin ANT+ Agent, it will go ahead and automatically transfer any data from the BC-1000 scale to Garmin Connect (see the earlier section on how that process works).

Note however, that you cannot simply just use the USB stick to get the data on Garmin Connect.  While this would be incredibly logical, and useful, you must actually go via one of the Garmin Forerunner watches.  In my opinion, this is sorta limiting and stupid.  Just to clarify what I’m referring to, you cannot simply plug the ANT+ USB stick in unless you have a FR60 or 310XT to relay the data.  It must go through one of those watches to get to Garmin Connect.

Once you’ve logged into GC, you’ll click on the Health tab and see the day’s current stats:

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Down below, you’ll see the most recent data collected from the BC-1000:

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You can change the graph to show you 7 Days, 30 Days or a year at a time:

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Finally, you can also enter in manual data points for dates that you may have extra data for.  Though you can’t manually enter in any of the other fields (body fat %, etc…), just weight.

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One last item to note – if you previously uploaded to Garmin Connect and were getting erroneous data points for weight (like 1,400 points), I fix was introduced to Garmin Connect on March 31, 2010 to address that issue and allow you to permanently fix those data points.  Read up on that here.

3rd party software:

Currently no other software applications that I’m aware of directly supports the data readings from the BC-1000.  However, I think that’ll change.  First, Training Peaks has said that they’ll be doing so shortly – which will be awesome - especially if they make it completely seamless.

Second, the data simply sits in a folder within the ANT+ agent, so getting the data from a Garmin watch to any other application is actually relatively straightforward for most developers with access to the Garmin .FIT Software Development Kit (SDK).  So I suspect over the next year or so we’ll see more options in this space. 

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But for now, it’s limited to Tanita’s Healthy Edge and Garmin Connect.  Though you can always manually transpose the data anywhere…

Accessories:

There’s a few accessories that are offered with the BC-1000.  Though, I’ve pretty much talked through most of the options here.  The one I didn’t though was Tanita’s table-top (or toilet-top) remote display stand.

Tanita Remote Display:

This remote display unit is used to display the data received from the BC-1000 in the event you don’t want to have a computer or Garmin watch nearby.  This is handy for a few reasons – first, it removes the need for a computer, but two – it’s also just simply to check out your vital signs without it being recorded on the Internets forever.

So – let’s get to the unpacking first:

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Once we’ve got the batteries installed, it’s quick and easy to get turned on.  From there you’ll setup a user profile – which includes your age and height.  That in turn allows it to determine things like BMI.  After that, it’s time to get your weight.

This process is just as simple as with the FR60 or 310XT.  You simply tap the up/down arrow once, and then choose set once you’ve found your user number (i.e. – #1 for me, #2 for someone else, #3 for another someone, etc…).  The scale then blinks and beeps letting you know it’s ready.  Once you step on and get the reading, a moment later it displays on the screen:

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In addition, you can go ahead and manually scroll through all of the fields available after reading:

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And finally, you can retrieve history on the device as well.  Meaning, it acts like a little computer, allowing you to go back and retrieve older data – which is pretty handy.

But – why stop with just a few pretty looking photos?  Instead, let’s look at how it all works together as one cohesive system, check out my little one-minute video on it:

(My little one-minute bathroom video with the Tanita BC-1000 and Remote Stand)

The remote table top stand is a bit pricey – at $129, but it does include some nice functionality for basic use of the scale without a computer or Garmin watch nearby.

Garmin FR-60 & Garmin 310XT:

As I’ve talked about a bunch already, the Garmin FR60 and Garmin Forerunner 310XT are Garmin’s two watches that support the BC-1000 wirelessly via ANT+.

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These watches run from $125-$200 (for the FR60) and between $310-350 (for the 310XT).  I’ve written up some pretty detailed reviews here for both of them here:

Garmin Forerunner FR60 In Depth Review
Garmin Forerunner 310XT In Depth Review

ANT+ USB Stick:

Last but not least, if you have multiple computers, or simply lose the little ANT+ USB  stick that comes with the BC-1000, you can purchase another one without issue.  Also note that if you already have a ANT+ USB stick from one of the other Garmin units, it’s fully compatible with the BC-1000.  Though, because the BC-1000 comes with one in the box, there’s no savings to be had there.

That said, if you need an extra one, they’re $45 on Amazon.

Accuracy and Comparisons:

I had really really wanted to get into a hydrostatic tub or BodPod system to put the BC-1000 up head to head with more scientific measurements to see how it would fare.  But, the recent 40+ inches of snow in the DC area pretty much killed any hopes of doing that.  I do hope at some point in the future once the snow melts around here (August 2012 at the current rate…) to do this and see how things stack up.

With respect to accuracy, I was reading the book Racing Weight last night, and they noted:

“A 2007 study published in the journal Clinical Nutrition that compared measurements obtained from a Tanita body-fat scale and DEXA scanning reported a better than 96 percent level of agreement between the two methods (Thomas et al. 2007).”  (from Racing Weight by Matt Fitzgerald)

A few other items the book really keys in on though is that it’s not important that the scale is accurate in comparison to other scales.  What’s important is that the scale is consistent and accurate to itself.  Meaning, as long as the scale works consistently, you’re focusing on weight loss within the bounds of whatever the scale believes.  So at the end of the day, you’re still loosing weight.  Whether your actual exact scientific weight is 161.7 or 160.5 is sorta irrelevant (unless you’re specifically targeting certain weight classes of course).

From what I can tell, the scale was consistent within itself.  By and large, if I got on and off and on and off and weighed myself, it read the same reading – something I could not necessarily say was true of other scales I had lying around the house.

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With respect to comparison of a less expensive bathroom scales, it was within 1% for body weight of my cheaper one I had lying around.  However, body fat percentage was quite a bit different – 5% (BC-1000) versus 11% (older one).  Clearly I know which reading I’m taking…

The folks at Tanita let me know that the cheaper scale I have shown (BF679W) doesn’t have an athlete mode (while the BC-1000 does), which means it didn’t have the capability to better predict my body fat based on the assumption that my body type is probably a bit more athletic than most users of the cheaper scale.  Hence the differences I saw with respect to body fat prediction.

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Pro’s/Con’s

As per the requirements for any review, I’ve included my Pro’s and Con’s list below.  Though, I suspect if you’ve made it this far, you probably understand each of these points pretty well by now:

Pro’s:

  • Easy to use (especially when integrated with the FR60 or 310XT)
  • Integrated with Garmin ANT+ wireless fitness watches
  • Forces consistent data record keeping, doesn’t allow you to cheat
  • Clean, stylish design
  • Good software (Tanita Healthy Edge) for basic record keeping, included

    Con’s:

  • Expensive - $279
  • Doesn’t have a simple LCD on the scale itself telling you your weight, requires extra parts
  • Software option don’t allow easy exporting of data

    Summary

    In conclusion, I think the BC-1000 offers a really interesting avenue for recording data – and forcing you to keep accurate records.  By not including the LCD on the unit itself they essentially record the data, and then tell you what the result is.  Sorta like taking a test.  The score is what it is.  I think this is valuable for anyone trying to track weight, but I also sometimes saw it as a deterrent for using the scale.  Sometimes I just wanted a quick weight check (post-run, etc…) and didn’t want to have that recorded anywhere (or have remember to delete it later).  In those instances I still used my trusty old bathroom scale to get a quick reading without it taunting me about it later.

    At the end of the day I ended up purchasing one (remember, the unit above was a media loaner unit) – especially with hopes of future Training Peaks integration, as it will allow me to really start analyzing how weight and body fat might affect my racing over the course of a season.  Given I wear the FR-60 as my day to day watch that’s on me at all times, this offers me the ability to do so quickly and easily. 

    If you found this review helpful in your purchasing decision, you can support future reviews like this (or race fees) by using any of the Amazon links (accessories, the units themselves, or Tanita packages).  The reviews generally take 20-40 hours to put together, so it’s a fair bit of work (and labor of love).

    Finally, I’ve written up a ton of helpful guides around using some of the various Garmin devices (including the FR60 and Forerunner 310XT), which you may find useful.  These guides are all listed on this page here.

    As always, if you have any questions, feel free to post them below in the comments and I’ll try and respond as quickly as possible.  Alternatively, you can always e-mail me at the address in the sidebar on the right.

  • 63 comments:

    Jen February 16, 2010 7:06 AM  

    Great review. And my FR60, Lola, has been my faithfyl partner since you taught me how to calibrate it.

    Nicole February 16, 2010 9:30 AM  

    Great review as always...I like that you are metabolic-ly a 12 year old boy!!

    TRI-james February 16, 2010 10:22 AM  

    Great review and I just finished Racing Weight!

    I have a bathroom body fat scale that is accurate but not precise. And I agree with you that all of the data from the scales are ‘just a number’ and can only be compared to themselves. Last month I had a dexa scan done to give me the offset of my scale. It was alarming. I am a very fit person and my body fat scale reads 8.x in athlete mode and 18.x in normal mode. I would have been happy if it split the difference. I was very frustrated with the results. The Dexa Scan indicated that my body fat was 17.5 percent. I have read further that the dexa scans always read a little higher than other methods.
    I am just glad that I now have the offset. I blogged about this here -

    http://hubcitytri.blogspot.com/2010/01/body-fat-scan.html

    Spokane Al February 16, 2010 10:33 AM  

    I have the same older model Tanita scale that you do and was interested in your comparison of the two and look for changes in my numbers vs dead on accuracy.

    You did not mention the newer scale's ability to partner with the Garmin 405 - is that an option?

    Also, while this may be a minor, anal concern from an overally analytic Virgo, I do have a question. What does that glass scale look like after stepping on and off it over a week or two or three? I was thinking that it might require a great deal of cleaning.

    Drew Watkins February 16, 2010 1:47 PM  

    Great review! Is there any chance of getting your hands on a Withings scale? I am trying to decide between the two, and the Withings has more services that it integrates with, but I've heard the BC-1000 has better accuracy. Would love to see a comparison!

    PauloL February 16, 2010 4:47 PM  

    Great review as always. I really enjoy reading your insights regarding the gear you test, very informative and straightforward. And you guys in DC are having fun despite the weather. Very funny the naked race. Brrrr. If you happen to be competing in Lisbon, Portugal, let me know. We also have some pretty fun races this side of the atlantic. Keep competing and writing.

    Borsch February 16, 2010 7:04 PM  

    Ps. You do NOT have an moderate activity level!

    Ørjan Sandland February 17, 2010 9:04 AM  

    After having used my BC-1000 for a couple of months, I'm not so sure it's worth the money - simply because I don't trust the output. Or maybe it's just me who don't understand it?

    Have you heard someone say "It's not that accurate, but it's fine for monitoring trends"?
    The problem is that the software doesn't provide you with any trends - just graphs that seems to have a tendency of going haywire in a rather undefined pattern ;) (I think that's what they've dubbed "Tanita proprietary algorithm"...)

    I'm creating trend graphs in excel, but still - after over two months of daily measurements - I can't really say the trends or data provide me with anything useful.

    I'll stick with it for a while to see if I can get some long term value from the data, but right now it doesn't feel like well spent money.

    Many athletes already have a package for logging everything. At the moment there are no intelligent way of importing the Tanita data into for instance SportTracks, so I end up inputting data manually.
    If that's the case for you too - better go buy a model in the ironman series without the costly computer integration.

    Maybe you, like me, drool a little over the BC-558 that provides you with segmental body composition. This scale _should_ have been computer connected though - as jotting down all the data every day will probably take the joy away pretty soon!

    Jury is still out on whether body composition scales are snake oil or not. Time will show. In the meantime I'll be manually copying data from Garmin Connect to excel - ugh.

    Calyx Meredith February 17, 2010 10:18 AM  

    I have this yearning to someday (maybe when I've had a brain transplant) understand and be able to process all of the information in one of your awesome reviews. But somewhere around the second graph I'm usually smiling and thinking, "Pretty picture." Nevertheless - I can tell this one was especially good because I didn't understand most of the comments either. Peace!

    Bob February 17, 2010 10:46 PM  

    Great writeup. That is a cool toy but 3 Ben Franklins is a bit high for a scale. The one you have doesn't sound too far off for much less. Finally, I know it's about trending, but I was surprised to see it swing your BFP 2 points overnight. Especially given that 2 points for you is a 25% swing.

    Thanks!

    marc February 19, 2010 1:05 PM  

    Hello very great review,
    my question is U se the BC 558 with segmental mesures, can you use the edge software with thsi tanita as well , do you have any expeince with this one?

    as you use the trainingpeaks is there an option to dial in all the data which comes from the tanita..
    whqaat woudll you recomend use the trainingpeaks or the tanita software.?
    marc
    marc@steingrand.com

    Greyt Times February 19, 2010 7:48 PM  

    As always, great review.

    Maybe I missed it (and I apologize if I did), but when pairing with the 310, does the 310 become the temporary data store until offloaded to your PC? Meaning, if I keep my 310 in the bathroom for daily morning weigh-ins, can I then transfer all of that data to the PC later? Does the watch store all of the data points output by the scale, or just the few it is displaying on-screen?

    Thanks!

    Nick February 20, 2010 2:28 AM  

    I am not sure if its possible, but Tanita and Garmin should thank you. After reading your review I went ahead and purchased both the BC-1000 and the FR60 with footpod. I am not a triathlete like yourself, but I want to know that I am getting the most out of my workouts. Thanks!

    Rainmaker February 22, 2010 1:13 AM  

    Hi all, thanks for the comments, here are some answers:

    Spokane Al-

    RE: 405 Compatibility

    It unfortunately doesn’t partner with the 405 – and not for any technical reasons, just purely a marketing thing, which is too bad. There’s no reason why it couldn’t do that down the road if they (Garmin) wanted to add the feature in via firmware.

    RE: Dirtyness of scale over time

    Funny about the scale stepping on/off – I was going to include that, but couldn’t seem to find a place to slide it in. It’s actually not the stepping on/off that eventually causes it to look dirty, but rather being in the bathroom near the shower. The water spray slowly makes little droplots that dry and eventually look sketchy. When I moved it to a different bathroom that I don’t use the shower in (and cleaned it), it stopped looking sketchy despite my continued use. A quick wipe of Windex fixes it.

    Hi Drew-

    I haven't tried out the Withings scale yet, but I have had it book marked for a while actually. I'll poke them and see what I can do there.

    Hi Paulo-

    Thanks!

    Hi Borsch-

    RE: Moderate activity level

    Funny, I had actually changed that later, but didn't catch it in my screenshot.

    Hi Ørjan-

    I think at the moment for me it'll be the integration with Training Peaks that really makes the deal worthwhile - as then I can truly see the impact on racing more easily over time, since TP houses all the data from my training and racing. I think there are potentially some interesting things the folks from TP could do there.

    Hi Marc-

    RE: BC-558 scale software

    The compatible scales with the Healthy Edge software are: BC-100, BC-590BT, HD-351BT, BC-418, TBF-215, TBF-300A, TBF-300WA, BF-350, WB-3000.

    As for Training Peaks, my understanding is the importing of data from the BC-1000 is on the radar for development in the near future. In talking with them, they have BC-1000's and are playing with them.

    Hi Greyt Times-

    RE: 310XT and temporary data store

    Yes, the 310XT becomes the temporary data store until offloaded to your PC, so you can store a lot of days in there if you want. I did that with the FR60 as well, where I strored a bunch of readings, and then transferred them a few days later.

    Hi Nick-

    RE: Reviews

    Thanks, I appreciate the comments. In the case of Garmin products, if you use any of the links in my reviews to Amazon, I get a small bit of referral from Amazon - but nothing from Garmin or Tanita. So, if you found this referral useful, and enough people do - I might be able to cover a local 5K race with the referrals. :)

    Thanks all!

    PS - The folks from Tanita are sending me a Remote Display Monitor, which I should get in the next few days and be able to review more in depth.

    Hanka Hůlová April 13, 2010 6:32 PM  

    Here is some info from directly Tanita Corporation:
    The next version we release this month should have an export or "upload" button that will send your data to either csv or excel. Coming Soon...

    Jesse June 2, 2010 1:11 PM  

    Tanita has updated the Healthy Edge Software. If you are already using it, you can go to www.thecompetitiveedge.com/downloads and download the upgrade for Healthy Edge. New Screen, Prints in Color with Graphs.
    The only way to upload to Excel or CSV is to purchase the Professional Software version called Healthy Ware.

    Paolo August 25, 2010 11:40 AM  

    Great review...I am about to pull the plug on one of these....but have a question before I do...

    Using one of the Garmin watches, can I track measurements of both myself as well as my wife? ...or do we both need a watch?

    Rainmaker August 26, 2010 1:30 AM  

    You would both need seperate watches if using Garmin Connect, as it feeds into individual accounts.

    However, using Tanita's software, you can easily track it all with just a single device.

    Stian Fossum September 1, 2010 7:24 AM  

    hi, my bc-1000 did not come with the tanita software, and i havent managed to find on the net either, i have w7 64bit. any tips?

    Nate November 11, 2010 12:15 PM  

    I've been using a bc-1000 for about a year now with just the ANT+ stick to my computer (for the previous commenter, I use W7-64, too. I downloaded the software from www.thecompetitiveedge.com which is where I bought the bc-1000).

    One thing I learned about the scale - don't use it on carpet, even with the carpet feet. I used mine on the carpet for awhile and eventually accepted that the scale would be off by some 10% on weight (compared to my doctor's office). One day I wanted to test the range of the ANT+ stick, so I moved the scale out of the office and into the tiled hallway (a solid 10ft) and the numbers I got from it were way off of my previous measurements...but in line with my doctor's scale. I repeated the measurement several times to make sure the scale was reading correctly and it was consistent.

    Carpet screws up the scale even though the carpet feet are supposed to fix that. The carpet in my house is typical plush carpet. It's not thick shaggy stuff, but it's also not a tight-weave berber. You might be able to use it okay on carpet if you put it on a solid platform of some sort, but the carpet feet are not enough.

    Lynngineer November 27, 2010 3:53 PM  

    Awesome that I just found this and people have already asked the questions I had (Tanita, 405, export, etc).
    Great job and MUCH, MUCH appreciated. I won't be buying this particular one (I really want .csv and work with my 405), but I'll check back after the next version comes out (as I'd love to support your link to buy).
    Thanks for the painstakingly detailed review and answers.

    Kathryn December 22, 2010 6:19 PM  

    I am at a loss. I really need to know how to calibrate this scale. HELP! Please...

    lohchingsoo December 29, 2010 10:05 PM  

    Thanks so much for your reviews, I now have the 310XT, Edge 800 and BC-1000 as a result.

    Could you provide a little advice please - my Healthy Edge app has the 310XT option under the "Garmin Watch" setting, but not the Edge 800.

    Otherwise all is fine including my BC-1000 output data on Garmin Connect via the Edge 800. Thanks.

    Chris January 4, 2011 11:58 AM  

    I know this is a stupid question - but is this just a calculator - where it has BMI details inside it and just computes based on your weight, or does it actually do something scientific?

    i'm struggling to find information on how it actually works, besides just running your figures vs BMI...

    stupid question I know, but thanks

    Chris

    Rick January 30, 2011 12:59 PM  

    Thanks for the great review of the Tanita BC-1000. It was your experiences with the system that prompted me to purchase it. I am using the scale and Healthy Edge software on a daily basis to help keep my personal training clients on track with their fitness goals. I'll continue to monitor your blog for your in-depth and excellent product reviews and other training tips. Have a healthy and fit day!

    http://personalbestlex.blogspot.com/

    Smedley Basilone February 14, 2011 4:33 AM  

    I read your review and agree for the most part that it's convenient and weighs accurately, but I've had a problem with the body fat percentage. When I compare it to my old bathroom scale my bathroom scale BF% is always higher. I'm a fatter person, there is no way I'm 13-15% like my Tanita says. I think Tanita has a problem here. I've had mine for about a year and it's lost its appeal.

    mark February 22, 2011 4:43 PM  

    Thanks for the review, your efforts are much appreciated.

    A quick note for UK customers: The UK package does NOT include the healthy edge software or the ANT+ usb stick.

    This means that the scales can only be used by one person as you cannot view all the metrics unless you upload to garmin connect.

    Anonymous February 26, 2011 9:33 PM  

    Thanks for the review!

    So, is this scale not at all compatible with the FR210? Is there no way of getting the data into Garmin connect with this watch?

    J.

    Rainmaker February 26, 2011 11:41 PM  

    Hi Lochingsoo-
    RE: Edge 800

    The latest version should now support the Edge 800


    Hi Chris-
    RE: Calculation of BMI

    It's using electrical impedance to determine BMI, which has its pro's and con's.

    Hi Rick-
    Thanks!

    Hi Smedley-
    RE: BF%

    Is your BC-1000 on athletic mode by chance? You might want to ensure it's reading the same mode. In my talks with Tanita about this - since I also have a bathroom scale from them, they said that they should be reading the same as long as the BC-1000 wasn't in athletic mode.

    Hi Mark-
    RE: UK Customers

    Good to know - thanks!

    Hi Anon-
    RE: FR210

    The FR210 does work with it, it's just that the FR410 does not. I show it working togther in my FR210 review:

    http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/12/garmin-forerunner-210-in-depth-review.html


    Thanks all!

    Anonymous March 10, 2011 5:14 AM  

    Thanks for the great review. I have a 310Xt and have taken a several measurements at different times of the day and now want to be more consistent with measurement times. I have deleted the old measurements on Garmin Connect but they keep coming back after I upload a new set of data. Is there anyway to permanently delete old measurements?

    Also i have looked at your recent posts and note comments about setting the scale on athletic mode - how do you do that? (i am running a Mac)

    Thanks in advance
    Chris

    Lauren March 30, 2011 2:29 PM  

    Hi Ray - I really enjoy your blog and fab product reviews. I found you after I purchased my 310XT and was loking for helpful swim advice, been reading ever since!

    I had a question - does Training Peaks have the ablity to upload scale date yet?

    I will consider purchasing this scale if I know I can upload the data to TP. Otherwise, it's just not worth it to me.

    Thansk!

    dragon May 31, 2011 4:51 PM  

    After reading this great review I decided to purchase one Tanita BC 1000 and one Garmin FR60 .As soon as I put my order I realized that I don'k know if the instrument is provided with measurments in the metric system as well .I live in Greece and I'm not familiar with the imperial system .It's too late to cancel my order ,it's on the way .

    bas June 17, 2011 6:49 PM  

    When I'm pairing the Tanita scale with the 610 for the first time, it asks me about if I'm a lifetime athlete or not. Depending on my level of fitness the data send from the scale is calculated differently.
    So far that's pretty nice. But I can make this decision only once. After that there seems to be no way to change this setting. (I misleadingly entered the athlete mode which is... errrm... not the whole truth.) Only a hard reset of the 610 will do the trick.
    Does anybody have a clue to change this setting after pairing with the scale?

    Allie July 2, 2011 7:40 PM  

    Hi! Thank you so much for the review! It was very helpful. I'm thinking of purchasing this scale for myself because I'm an avid high school track and cross country runner. Now I just have to convince my parents.. Is this scale compatible with the Garmin Forerunner 210 watch? Because that's what I have. I realize it's not compatible with the ANT stick, but just the watch and the scale? Are they compatible?

    Jesse July 25, 2011 7:06 PM  

    @dragon - yes the scale measures in kg/lb/st-lb universally depending on your watch settings.

    @bas - yes, the 610 has to be hard reset to change the Athlete setting. Garmin set it up this way because the scale is the only add-on that uses that data point.

    @allie - yes the Garmin 210 is compatible, and the Scale comes with another ANT stick for you to use directly to your PC or Mac if you choose.

    Hannes August 8, 2011 4:52 AM  

    Body Composition of Ray Maker:

    152 lb muscle, 8 lb bones and 8 lb brain.

    Coooool!

    Brian Williams August 11, 2011 7:22 PM  

    enjoyed the review. Has anyone seen or have info on Tanita HD-351ANT Wireless ANT+
    @ 149 US$ it's starting to be in my range.
    Brian

    Rainmaker August 12, 2011 1:46 PM  

    Hi Brad-
    RE: New Tanita Scale

    Hmm, not sure - I just ordered one a second ago, so looking forward to seeing how it works!

    Anonymous August 16, 2011 2:00 PM  

    yes please, let us know if the new scale H35 ANT is working with Garmin 610 , I noticed that the BC1000 is not at Bestbuy anymore (here in Reston VA)

    would be great for 149$ ...

    labjunky August 26, 2011 4:54 AM  

    Hello, great blog!

    I read in it that:

    "Now interestingly, if you look at the below (Body Fat % vs Water %) – you’ll notice that they are inversely proportional to each other. I’m honestly not sure what to make of it quiet yet, but it makes a pretty graphs. ;)"

    Its quite simple in the end. Say you are a mythical created that weighs 100 kg, and 60 kg of you is made entirely of water, and 40 kg of fat (which for the sake of argument contains no water).
    So :
    Body water % = 60% (which is 60 kg / 100 kg x 100%)
    Body fat % = 40%

    Now you go for a drink down to your local bar, and you drink 10 litres (10 kg) of water (very boring place this mythical creature lives in!). Now you weigh 110 kg, but since the fat contains no water, you still only have 40kg or it. But now you have 70 kg of water.
    Now:
    Body water % = 64% (i.e. (70/110) x 100%)
    Body fat % = 36%

    So the water and fat percentages are anti-corralated in this example because of your changing hydration level.

    In Humans, fat does contain some water, and the percentages are different (+ you normally don't drink 10 litres of water!), but basically you are the same as the creature described. So what you saw in the data was a record of your hydration level changing day to day.

    I don't have a set of scales yet, so I can't test my theory but drinking a lot of water and weighing before and after. But maybe you can?? :-)

    Ferre86 August 28, 2011 4:49 PM  

    Greetings,
     
    Recently i have purchased Tanita BC-1000 and i am using it trough with Garmin FR-60 watch,
    my question is Tanita is always reading exactly 1 kg less then all other digital scales,
    i have tried 3 diffrient digital scales they all shows me 103,0kg after i try Tanita and gives me 102,0kg
    always the same results i get , what would it be causing that ? and is there any forum site related to Tanita
    so we can have daily read and share openions.

    Rainmaker August 28, 2011 5:11 PM  

    Hi Anon-
    RE: HD351

    I actually got it all unboxed today - so will start using it sometime this week.

    Hi Labjunky-
    RE: Water weighing

    In my limited tested with it - merely drinking water doesn't seem to do the trick. But maybe for fun I'll do some test there. My recent accuracy tests didn't cover hydration levels merely because the BodPod doesn't meaure them (though we did record the values on teh scales)

    Hi Ferre86-
    RE: Differencein weight

    Hmm, it sounds like either the scale needs to be reset (TARE/Calibrated - though I'm not clear on how to do that on the BC-1000 offhand), or the other scales are off. In my recent testing, we found that the weight component was actually very accurate on the BC-1000 against a calibrated scale. Body fat, not as much.

    Cinci Craig September 3, 2011 9:33 AM  

    First - thanks for all your great reviews! Seriously impressed.

    Just now moving from years of manual excel tracking and getting into the easier data tracking game, starting with FR60 (just ordered).

    The concept of easily tracking my weight via Ant+/FR60 is attractive to me, but I am just not seeing a lot out there that hits my target.

    Body composition is attractive to me, but not using BIA. (My educated opinion is that the BIA measurement methodology of foot-to-foot on scales, and the algorithms used to produce the data are based on way too many assumptions to ever be accurate across a spectrum of body types).

    A display of the weight on the scale along with the ant+ is also attractive, so anyone can just walk up, step on, and check their weight. (Analogy: Garmin Watch that can also behave as a normal watch.)

    So.... I am in the market for a Garmin compatible (ant+) scale that measures weight and has a display on the scale that is reasonable priced for the average consumer.

    From your blog, the new Tanita HD-351Ant is the closest to my target (but still no display, and still overpriced). I do look forward to your comments on that model.

    I also did notice this in my search: LifeSource UC-324ANT eHealth Wireless Precision Scale

    (This device is weight only, displays the weight on the scale, is Ant+, AND is more reasonably priced ($109 as of today).

    Would you happen to know if any device (such as the Lifesource) that is Ant+ get picked up by an Ant+ Garmin (FR60 for example?) and then transferred to computer?

    If so, I think I have at least found one product that hits my target...

    Rainmaker September 4, 2011 10:21 PM  

    Yes, any ANT+ scale will work with any ANT+ watch that supports scales (i.e. the Garmin FR60, 310XT, etc...).

    For fun, I just ordered the Lifesource scale, says it will arrive Wednesday. Probably won't get to a review until later this month as next week I have Interbike and then it gets busy.

    But, hit me up later in the week via this post and I can give you a few quick first impressions.

    Cinci Craig September 14, 2011 6:15 PM  

    Thought I'd check in and see if you had any comments on the Tanita 351 and/or the LifeSource UC-324ANT...

    Pitufolas September 19, 2011 5:36 PM  

    Hi,

    One maybe stupid question. My pc is far away and I usually do not carry my garmin with me ( usually attached to the bike).

    Do the tanita store all the data (for weeks) and the next time I bring my Garmin will transfer to it? (then to the pc next time I synch)

    Thanks

    Ben September 29, 2011 2:53 PM  

    Awesome blog. Really helped with my decision about buying the 610.

    I'm also interested to hear your feedback on the UC-324ANT. Any first impressions you have would be great.

    Two main questions. Does it work with the 610, and is it 'accurate'?

    Ben

    Eliot Hull October 9, 2011 12:17 AM  

    Tanita now has the BC-1500 Ironman Wireless Segmental Body Composition Monitor listed as a new product for delivery in December. Now for a measly $400 you can have all the data segmented data filled in. I guess it beats the $5k+ that the professional segmental body composition monitor is going for. Look forward to seeing another review!

    Steve G October 29, 2011 6:02 PM  

    It seems the Healthy Edge software is not Mac compatible and they don't offer a version that is. Is there another scale on the market that will communicate with my Edge 800 AND allow a direct reading from the scale? I really would like to have my wife use it as well and spending an additional $129 for the display is not an option.

    Max E November 10, 2011 3:16 AM  

    Hi,

    What do the 'O' '+' and '-' mean when reviewing results recorded on the D - 1000 and 1100? Example: In your video, under Visceral Fat reading of '1' it has a 'O'. I have noticed it on other measurements also.

    Thanks!

    Rob Gray November 15, 2011 10:06 AM  

    Regarding accuracy, I've done the hydrostatic test, and my Tanita provides a similar result, as long as I weigh first thing in the morning, compared to my hydrostatic test which was in the afternoon (this value varies quite a bit, by a few % on the Tanita).

    I also measured on the Tanita directly after the hydrostatic test:
    Hydrostatic: 7.4%
    Tanita: 5.5%

    however the next morning first thing I got 8% on the Tanita so now I view that as the correct testing protocol for me personally.

    Anonymous December 15, 2011 7:26 AM  

    Hi Ray,

    2 questions:
    If I get a new PC and would like to move all data from Tanita Healthy Edge software, is there any *.dat file I can localize and move, or all historical data will be lost within installation?
    Next, if I would like to have same measurements recorded in Tanita Healthy Edge software and in Garmin Connect as well, do I have to do 2 consecutive measurements (one with ANT+ stick to Tanita Healthy Edge software, second with FR 310XT for later Garmin Connect upload)?

    Thanks

    Texas-saluki December 16, 2011 10:55 PM  

    Well here is a comment from Garmin... this sucks

    Unfortunately we are not planning to integrate the Tanita Platform with the Forerunner 405CX. This does not have to do with the price of the watch, but rather with when the watch was released. As the Forerunner 405CX is a few years older than devices such as the Forerunner 210 or FR60, it is not designed to be compatible with the BC-1000. I apologize for any inconvenience this creates.

    Anonymous December 18, 2011 10:10 AM  

    Hello, I already own the Garrmin FR60 and BC-1000 scale and it works fine. I recently bought the D-1000 desktop monitor as it was being offered at 1/2 price

    I am very dispointed that I can not use both the FR60 and the D-1000. The D-1000 only activates the scale if I use it in "Guest" mode !!! Is there a workaround?

    Does the D-1100 fix this issue? I see that you used the D-100 in combo with the FR60. Did you have to use the D-1100 in guest mode?

    Please help!

    Anonymous January 1, 2012 2:24 PM  

    LOve the reviews - thanks!

    Have you had a chance to try the new Tanita BC-1500?
    http://www.tanita.com/en/bc-1500/

    Should it also work with the Garmin watches because it supports ANT?

    Berent K January 2, 2012 5:44 AM  

    To Steve G,

    There is a widget for the Mac. It allows you to view the output and to upload the information to My Tanita. This might be the solution to your query. The only problem is that the scale should be close to your computer when you measure, well in range of the ANT stick.

    Hope that helps...

    Rainmaker January 2, 2012 6:51 PM  

    I don't have the BC-1500 on my radar currently, though, perhaps in the future.

    As far as compatibility with Garmin watches - yup - as long as it speaks ANT+, the Garmin unit will work with it.

    Enjoy!

    Anonymous January 2, 2012 8:56 PM  

    Hey Ray,

    Love the review, just a +1 for a review of the BC-1500 if it comes near your radar

    Anonymous January 20, 2012 8:39 PM  

    I just got my new scale and can't figure out how to put the round feet on it. Do I have to take off the "carpet" feet first? thanks

    Deb January 21, 2012 12:14 PM  

    Great Review. I have used your reviews in the past to purchase my Garmin 410. I currently use my Garmin 410 to track information on the Garmin website. I wanted to try and track more information from my scale. Do you know if I could just purchase the BC-1000 and have it link to the Garmin website? Or do I have to purchase the FR60 as well? Or would the 1000 remote work with the Garmin website? I just want all my information in one place to track my progress.

    iamtourmalet January 30, 2012 6:23 AM  

    Great review! This really has me yearning for this unit to couple with my Garmin Edge 800.

    It looks like you have had the unit for about 2 years now. So given you have used it for about 2 years now, what is your opinion on it? You still like it? Have you found any quirks or good tips (other than don't take a measurement right after a 3 hour bike ride).

    I am curious how you feel now that the "new afterglow" is gone. Still a buy?

    Thanks again for a great review!

    qBot February 6, 2012 6:20 AM  

    I'm also interested in tanita bc-1500 review. Or at least a quick comparison with bc-1000. Is it worth extra $200?

    Anonymous February 6, 2012 1:54 PM  

    I wodner how the expensive Tanita scales compare to bargain scales like the offer on groupon ($29) Escali BFBW200?

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