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The conspiracy theorist in me thinks this alliance w Apple HAS to be at least substantially related to the app changes Strava made a few weeks back. I can see the conversation going like this:
Strava: “Hey Apple, join up with us and let’s do some cool stuff!”
Apple: “hmm well maybe but you’ll have to cut the knees out from all your other app and data sharing linkages, if you want to do anything with us.”
Strava: [thinking…thinking] “well ok we don’t like it, but we REALLY want to partner with you so – ok then.”
Apple: [rubs hands gleefully together] “heheheh.’
I don’t think so to be honest. In many ways, the changes Strava made have been brewing for quite some time within certain factions inside Strava. Various org changes over the last year finally unlocked those factions having more power…and thus, the results we see.
Couldn’t Apple open the same API up to other platforms down the line? While nice and pretty for the user, these thumbnails just look like free advertising for Apple Fitness + arent they?
So the wider they offer it the better as far as Apple are concerned
Strava already does the thumbnails for other platforms (all the ones I showed in the screenshots above, plus many more). I’m sure one could have a technical debate on which of Strava’s two implementations is better, and I suspect the answer would differ on which side (Strava vs platform), you ask.
And indeed, it is advertising, though, I’m pretty sure nobody pays for it. Years ago Strava tried to get companies to pay for it, and the companies all laughed. They got some initially, but the cost was far too high. These days, it’s just part of increasing engagement in Strava, so it’s largely a win-win for both sides (and consumers).
Do you think thumbnails are generated by Strava?
I would guess thumbnails are generated by Apple (or other companies) and Strava is simply taking it.
Sorry, I mean “does” as in ‘showing thumbnails for other platforms already exists’. Not in the ‘creation’ kind of “does”. :)
What always scares me with the automatic feeds is the feedback loops of multiple duplicate entries.
Garmin already feeds Apple and Strava (as well as numerous other platforms all over the place). If I enable an automatic Apple to Strava I always worry I’ll get multiple copies all over the place in a never-ending vortex of activities. Agggggh!!
I have no idea how you cope Ray, with the number of platforms you must be running
Yeah, I limit which things go which places.
Well, if Strava continues to not make money, eventually they’re going to need a white knight.
Ray, another feature that just happened with latest updates is now in Fitness+ you can see cadence on screen and on the watch if you’ve connected a cadence sensor to the Apple Watch.
I used Favero Assioma pedals for this and if the picture I added here works out you’ll see the result.
Previously, one could connect and get the data in the session report, but not be able to see it “live” during the session.
While this is an improvement, power data is still not shown on screen, but does get recorded to the session file.
Nice catch – slowly but surely!
Also a question Ray, as I believe you use HealthFit on iOS too. Do you think it’s possible for HealthFit to get that Apple Catalogue ID for Fitness+ sessions? I’ve been using HealthFit to selectively send sessions to Strava, and it would be nice to (1) have HealthFit automatically get the Fitness+ catalog info, and (2) also send that to Strava for those who prefer to use HealthFit to upload rather than Strava itself.
Yeah, I suspect it’d be pretty trivial for him to do that. Given he could easily have your device grab the data from the page I linked to (and that’s mostly easy to decode).
Any news on adding more countries to Apple Fitness+? There is a lot of smaller european countries still in the cold… how difficult can it be? Just take the money Apple.
This seems like a nice-to-have feature. I have, in the past, manually entered all those stupid little Fitness+ workout details, because I’m neurotic like that.
A huge one would be the ability to automatically use saved routes in Strava on the Apple Watch, the way it works with Garmin Connect. I.e., someone sends me a Strava route and I save it and it automatically shows up as a run- or hike-able route in the Workouts app. That’s a functionality that could possibly part me from my Garmin.
That, and if watchOS 12 includes a built-in LED flashlight 😂
Would love some ability to broadcast data from my Concept2 Rower. Currently just using RowErg so I actually get some data pushed to Strava.
At the moment I don’t see official FTMS (FiTness Machine Service) connectivity support to the Apple Watch.
The ability to get power and cadence in cycling comes from the CPS (cycling power service) and CSCS (cycling speed and cadence sensor) protocols and not FTMS is my belief; in a previous article about Fitness+ Ray seemed to think otherwise and if I recall, was going to reach out to Apple about this. I suspect apple did not respond.
I think that Apple’s GymKit protocol is mostly using FTMS under the hood; if I’m right, it’s basically a NFC handshake then FTMS to send things over, but that’s a different thing. Annoyingly, from my research I don’t think GymKit support rowing machines. I don’t know of any rowing machine that supports GymKit — certainly not the Concept2.
A related thing that annoys me with this is that in Apple Health you cannot get complex rowing data for indoor rowing. You cannot get power(watts), pace(time/500m) and cadence(spm) graphs in there. For outdoor rowing, last fall Apple finally added distance support (which is from GPS) but I’m not even sure if distance is a supported metric for indoor rowing. Therefore, even one’s non-Fitness+ rowing sessions cannot get complete data in Apple Health and additional solutions are needed.
I want nothing to do with Strava. I was a member since 2013 and deleted my account. First they decided they wanted to be a social media site which I have zero desire for from a fitness app. To do this they violated our privacy. Then they eliminated many 3rd party apps people depend on and destroyed those companies at the same time. Their route planner is garbage and their “AI” function useless. I can send my data directly to Apple from my Garmin or Apple Watch. I returned a Karoo 3 because the only way they integrate to many things is through Strava.
In other news I just moved from Garmin to Pixel Watch 3. Googles “Health Connect” repository and Strava aren’t playing together. This article suggests Stava may be work to adapt to these Mag7 companies.
Yeah, Google did all sorts of wonky this past summer in that realm. Sigh. That said, the Strava export piece should be working just fine – or at least, it has for me.
Someone gave me a Pixel Watch 3 for Christmas because they knew I have a Pixel phone but apparently not that I like my Forerunner 965.
Are there any benefits? Was already considering who I could re-gift the watch to.
Ray, I also hope that Strava routes integration with Apple Watch will come soon. The lack of a proper GPX import feature in AW is embarrassing 😖
Do you have to do anything to enable this? I’ve done 4 Apple Fitness+ workouts in the last 2 days (2 cycling and 2 active cooldown), and I’ve had to manually imprort the title and image for them still.
The routes thing is interesting, but useless for the UK given I still can’t even see a map in activities yet whilst trail running etc.
I had the same problem. Tried one of the progressive workouts this morning and it just synced the same as before. Looks like my watch needed to be updated to 11.2. I’m doing that now and will try to resync.
link to support.strava.com
Only new and existing Strava subscribers in the U.S, U.K, Australia and Canada can redeem up to 3 months of Fitness+ at no cost.
Now, if Apple would do something that vastly more people care about…allowing broadcasting of heart rate from the Apple watch, we might have something. The lack of this is one of the most consumer-unfriendly things Apple still does. It’s stupid and probably actually hurts sales of the AW.
The annoying thing is that they already do allow broadcasting of heart rate, but only to the paired iPhone.
I’ve tried several apps over the years with various Apple Watches that claimed to enable HR broadcast, but I never got any of them to work. There’s a Zwift app on my Ultra that seems to be exactly for broadcasting HR to Zwift. I just tried it with Zwift on my iPhone, and the iOS app paired with it, while the WatchOS app claimed it wasn’t paired. So apparently another WatchOS app that claims to broadcast HR but doesn’t work. Apple really should just support broadcast with the standard Bluetooth profile.
Agreed. It’s just walled garden obnoxiousness. It broadcasts to iPhone, iPad and Apple TV for Fitness+ workouts. I just don’t understand them not doing this. As far as wrist-based HR monitors, I have found Apple Watch to be the most accurate and consistent, so I’d love to use it connected to my Wahoo. I tried the third-party app thing a couple times and gave up. This will only work right if Apple does it natively.
The Fitness+ connection to the watch is a “watch app to device app” connection, with the watch app in this case being basically the Workout app and of course, the other device is Fitness+.
This can work for other companies. For example, with Peloton I can run the Apple TV version of the app and it will pick up the Peloton app on the Apple Watch and get heart rate data without the iPhone needing to have Peloton open. It’s a direct watch to television connection. In my experience, it worked well.
The problem is companies vary wildly in how well they accomplish this, and it’s additional work that should not be needed. As you say, the watch should be able to just “turn on broadcast” without companies making their own app. If the companies watch apps offered more than just sending over HR then they could still do their own. My belief is Apple wanted to claim the watch had tons of apps for it, and forcing companies to make their own watch app to send to their own (iPhone | iPad | Apple TV) app increased the number of apps they could claim. However, as many are buggy it does more harm than good, and things like connecting your watch to a bike computer doesn’t work well as now you need a phone app as a bridge. It’s easier to get another HRM.
The Zwift companion Watch app was always very wonky for me. Now I use a Sigma HR chest belt instead. But it appears to just be bad coding, as the Waterrower Watch companion app works very reliably.
Please Exercise Gods, let Apple Fitness learn to read cycling data, including HR and Power, from Strava and assign it a relative effort rather than forcing me to manually add it to every single activity. Really…all the data is there, just push/pull/whatever it from Strava to Apple after my computer/Zwift sends the data to Strava.
A question for Ray, or anyone who has experience with Apple Fitness and Strava – What would be my recommended workflow if two users wanted to record an apple fitness workout together – One Apple TV (with user 1 signed in)showing the class, user 1 has an apple watch and garmin fenix, user 2 has an apple watch.
I assume that the AppleTV user is the one who would get the thumbnail and description pulled, so they should pair their HR/watch with the TV?
Apple Fitness+ has a feature called SharePlay so two people can share the same session.
link to support.apple.com
Minimum requirement for Apple Fitness+ is now just an iPhone. An iPhone user with an Apple Watch will only have the “red move ring” and not the other two but can participate in a Fitness+ class.
So one person uses Apple Watch and Apple TV and is the main person. The second person uses iPhone with SharePlay to get credit for the session for their Apple Health account. The second person can either use the second Apple Watch with the iPhone, or can use Garmin Fenix (but no way to get HR data into Fitness+, this is a separate recording), or why not both, one on each arm? The second person would have both a Garmin and Apple recording of the session.
Oh and for the new Strava feature, both people would get the Strava summary with thumbnail, etc. assuming they’ve connected their Strava Accounts to their related Apple Health databases on their iPhones.
Thanks for this. I think I understand, I’ll be giving it a go later and this will all probably become clear. Do both users need a subscription or only main user? Does the shareplay feature require an actual ‘call’ to be active during the workout?
Thanks for this. I think I understand, I’ll be giving it a go later and this will all probably become clear. Do both users need a subscription or only main user? Does the shareplay feature require an actual ‘call’ to be active during the workout?
EDIT: If the person is in my Apple family, two subs won’t be needed.
Both users need an Apple Fitness+ account. That’s in the requirements on the page I linked. If the two of you are in a Family Account together then one subscription covers everyone in the family.
For the other question, the link covers that too: “To start the call from FaceTime, choose FaceTime. Or choose Messages to start the call from iMessage.” So there’s a “call” involved in this but its internet based connection.
Typically people would do this from two locations, so you’d be connecting with a friend or family member elsewhere. As you’re in the same room, the second person can effectively just mute their iPhone so it’s not making sound and use the Apple TV screen.
Note you could set this up without the SharePlay element. Just have one person select the session on Apple TV and the second select the session on their iPhone and countdown “3, 2, 1, start” and both people press start for their session at the same time, then the iPhone person set the phone aside and uses the screen. The SharePlay element just eliminates the need to coordinate this synchronization and does it automatically.
So you could try it both ways, and see which you prefer.
It doesn’t seem to work with series 3 watches. I have done multiple fitness + workouts and they come in like they always did without the details of the workout.
For whatever reason, this is not working for me. I have enabled HealthKit access in Strava, my watch is on 11.2, and my iPhone is at 18.2.1 but my workouts tracked on the watch are not showing up in Strava. I’ve tried with the “outdoor walk” and “outdoor run” workout types. No joy.
Now it works… sort of.
In general, I get a notification from Strava that my workout is ready to be imported ±5-6 hours after the workout itself. I walked to work this morning about 745a and now, at 215p, I just got the notification. Clicking it takes me to the Strava import screen, where the workout appears. If I tap it, the line highlights but nothing happens. The workout isn’t imported and the UI state doesn’t otherwise change.
Some workouts *are* imported automatically, and quickly. For example. I was sitting in a meeting with my boss yesterday about 9a and he kudo’d my 630a yoga workout.
Overall this matches the level of feature quality I’ve come to expect from Strava.
This was super helpful! I was wondering why my Strava didn’t have all of the details for fitness+ workouts. Fitness+ workouts seem to be recorded in the Health app data by the apple watch. Older apple watches don’t record a Catalog ID so I’m guessing it’s not available to be passed to Strava (it’s not in the fit file export). I didn’t know where to check until reading your post. Sad but at least now I think I know why all my fitness+ workouts are still generic looking.
Out of curiosity, which watch & WatchOS version?
Series 5 running Watch OS 10.6.1. I was hopeful that running 18.2.1 on my phone along with keeping Strava updated would allow me to see the enhanced/fancy entries but it wasn’t to be. I still get the basic “Morning Weight Training” etc.
When I check the Health app -> Browse -> Workouts -> Show All Data -> [any workout that’s timestamped from when I did an apple fitness workout], I don’t see Catalog ID. I don’t have a newer watch to confirm my assumption that I’d see Catalog ID in the data in Health if I had the latest watch OS.
Btw, your site is amazing – thanks for everything you put into it!
I don’t see the enriched workout information in Strava even though I am on the latest version of iOS and the Strava app. Do you know if you need to be a strava premium member for that to work?
How about they fix the Apple Watch GPS activity uploads to Strava, which haven’t worked for many users since iOS18 was introduced. Maybe a cunning plan to force people to use strava app to record workouts?!