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Lol. Maybe they’ll open the API up to Relive again?
…I mean, it is called ‘Relive’, right? One can always…umm…Relive…that dream.
It seems quite vague to me :/ Do we have any more details?
The details are the bits I sprinkled before/after. As for an exact user #/count to meet the threshold for a dedicated partner manager, they obviously aren’t providing that – sorta like most companies that have preferred account manager programs don’t. Often these sorts of things are tied to not only straight user numbers, but sometimes other factors as well (growth trend, some other partnership, etc…).
so you reckon that the change will be in terms of the partnerships? that they will make it easier to collaborate with them?
Nope, this is simply offering a new tier of support for apps that become big enough.
That’s all.
I see. I was expecting something better from them :)
IIRC their terms and conditions make it very difficult to build anything with confidence as it basically says they can switch off your app if it looks like something they’ll ever want to build. I guess that’s true for a lot of APIs though.
Thanks for the great review. That first bullet was scary “re-apply” and “if you are approved” which suggests that they also may wean some apps out of the program. We are holding our breath.
Our app is Regatta: link to apps.apple.com
Intervals.icu went through a whole thing not long ago where they were hitting their API limit and said they’d need to start charging for stuff to handle it, but Strava reached out at the last minute and helped them work it out without needing to pay for it. Sounds like this is sort of a codification and extension of what happened there.
I came here to say the same. Intervals.icu, which is a fantastic and free site, was going to have to charge users to stay below the Strava limits. It’s not because Strava was charging the developer, rather it was because he had to whittle down the number of API calls to stay within Strava’s limits that allocated to him. By charging money for the Strava syncing, he could get back below the cap.
He has tried reaching out to Strava for an API call increase, but hadn’t heard anything back. Eventually Strava did increase the limit and the developer promptly made Strava syncing free again. This was all a month or two ago, so it’s likely what spurred Strava to tweak their system.
IIRC their terms and conditions make it very difficult to build anything with confidence as it basically says they can switch off your app if it looks like something they’ll ever want to build. I guess that’s true for a lot of APIs though.
It sounds like they are going to review every app every year going forward? Are they really going to have human power to go through 85,000 applications every year indefinitely? The lack of detail makes me wonder if they are going to be culling a lot of little apps.
link to strava.com now has a faq item:
“What are Strava’s supported integration types? Strava supports the following integration types: Activity Syncing, Routes, Live Segments, and Photo and Video.”
Which really makes it sound like those 5 categories are an exhaustive list. But the (current) api covers a lot more types of things besides things that would fit into those 5 categories. And according to archive.org, this bit is new to that page since March 26. And notably, the live segments part of the api is heavily restricted (as you’ve written articles about before), only huge players like Garmin get access and then anyone else that is willing to pay the fee (you’re articles pointed out several instances where companies deemed the fee not worth it for their business and therefore did not include that feature in their product). Are they planning to get rid of every app that doesn’t neatly fall into one of those 5 categories? I hope not, but this is worrying.
“Are they really going to have human power to go through 85,000 applications every year indefinitely? The lack of detail makes me wonder if they are going to be culling a lot of little apps.”
Nah, no human is going to go through them. They’re going to simply look at the current usage of the API from a given app, sort by the most popular apps, and assign/offer them a partner account manager and dedicated support.
There’s no culling of apps going on here, from everything Strava is telling me. If an app is small, it’ll all be the same for them going forward. If an app has outgrown things, they’ll get support/preferred contact.
Ultimately, I think the letter probably needed a bit more detail on this point.
Thank you Ray for the explanation and insight into this being a usage sorting exercise. I have mostly tried to stay off their radar because they have all the control… the looming threat to terminate my developer account without reason at their whim when they feel like it because my app is considered “competing.”
Is there any mention of whether they’ll be charging apps that are deemed large enough to demand a dedicated Partner Support Manager and increased API limits? It would make sense; if you build a successful app that relies on Strava, then Strava should benefit from your success. Also, see recent news about Reddit charging for API access, and Twitter increasing their API fees.
Nothing at all that I’ve heard there. This is literally the opposite supposedly – trying to court the bigger apps and get them the support they need.
I don’t see Strava trying to charge apps for API access. They tried that in the past and it mostly backfired. Just in the same way it’s mostly backfiring for Twitter. And in the same way it didn’t work out for Garmin (who hasn’t had a fee since pre-COVID sometime).
Now that Strava spiked their subscription, it would make sense that they can afford higher API rate limits …..
“which is the program that some 85,000 developers and apps use to leverage the platform via its API”
How accurate is that number ? are those 85,00 really “active” ?
It’s hard to say. My guess is that’s registered accounts. EIther way, nobody else is even remotely close.
I estimate 82k of those 85k are IT guys that got an account to run a Python script against the API to get something very specific done in a very particular way
we re-open what is open already; how the 85000 milion developers exists if not from strava ‘developer program’?
is this is a re-developer re-program strava? sounds better!
An update:
I submitted the form last week for my app (Strautomator), and it got approved less than 24 hours later. My limits are still the same, the only thing added was a “athlete capacity” thing which is set to 99999.
I can see the new limits (read and write) distinctively on the app dashboard now.
So there’s definitely someone, or bot, going through the app reviews. I suspect that’s also an easy way for them to get rid of dangling / unused apps if the developers do not submit the form by the deadline.
Eep, I submitted almost 3 days ago now and haven’t heard anything, so it seems like it is not automated. I sure hope my app gets re-approved.
I didn’t receive a reply either – and I applied over a week ago. Maybe they want to get rid of desktop software accessing their api :P
The two of us at least can band together!
I have an app that I wrote just for myself. I ask for no support from Strava. Are they going to cut me out?
Thanks
Nope, as noted above, this is 100% about giving bigger apps more support. That’s it.
Hi,
I just received an e-mail from Strava regarding the new developer program “to enroll in the new program, all apps must submit for review.”. I am not an app developer, but I use the API for the desktop version of Elevate. Any hints / thoughts how to proceed?
Yeah I am also interested in this. I saw this forum post that said that if you don’t apply they will deactivate your app. I just use some python to reanalyse my data and now i have to add some strava graphics to matplotlib so I don’t forget where the data is coming from?!
link to communityhub.strava.com
Strava just released an update that lets you link a default piece of gear for a specified activity type, but it doesn’t work unless you enter the make and model of that piece of equipment. That’s one way to get more user data….
So I actually got approved. But they throttled my limits to 200/2000 requests (it used to be 600/30000). So this change also affects small applications.
this is what I’m worried about, my app has those API limits 600/30000 and sounds like they are going to cut them down.
It’s possible that they define your calls depending on the amount of people using your application, which you specify when filling out the form. Maybe the also look at your past usage and go from there. Or they just play darts and get the value from there. Who knows?
The 100 read requests I got are a joke but thankfully I don’t rely on it.
This is awesome! But 3 months down the line, we don’t seem to have heard anything! Have you heard of anyone else getting more information regarding increasing rate limits?
I’ve heard from a number of apps that have received responses back (including just some in the last week or so). Seems like things are slow going. Either way, nobody has been demoted, and I’ve heard from a few that saw massive rate increases.
So basically, it’s like they said: Nothing changes for most, and for a handful they’ll get more love.
I think you are mistaken. My app went from 30k to 1k. I raised a ticket with them, they responded and they did not raise the rate at all. And if you look just directly above the very comment you just left you can see another person complaining of a rate cut as well. Please stop repeating this lie about no decreases, you’ve been informed multiple times that it is not true.
Outside of yours, which you (oddly) didn’t post till just now – I didn’t see the one above as I was on a WordPress dashboard.
I’ll ask what’s up.
They extended the deadline to March ’04…and are apparently excited by this.
But they didn’t come right out and say why, which is not surprising.
At Strava, we’re constantly inspired by the passion and innovation within our developer community. Since we launched our new developer program, we’ve witnessed an overwhelming amount of interest and enthusiasm. It’s evident that many of you are keen to collaborate and continue contributing to the vibrant Strava ecosystem.
Your invaluable feedback has allowed us to refine and improve the application process. As we iterate to ensure a streamlined submission journey, we recognize that additional time to submit for review would be appreciated by our community.
In light of this, we’re excited to announce that we are extending the deadline for our Developer Program. This will provide everyone ample opportunity to be part of this exciting journey and ensure that all apps benefit.
The new deadline will be March 4th, 2024.
Thank you for your continued interest and feedback. Together, we look forward to building a richer and more dynamic Strava experience for our shared community.
Sincerely,
Strava API Team
Sorry, March 2024