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“As for battery life, the company claims 6 hours of battery life with the non-always on screen setting selected.”
Maybe days?
Correct, sorry, days there. Though 12 hours for GPS-on.
Ray are they leveraging the SpO2 sensor to track sleep apnea?
They leverage the sensor to provide relative changes, but I don’t believe they’ve actually released Sleep Apnea-specific guidance (but have talked a lot around it in recent years).
Having come from Fitbit (Ionic, Blaze, etc), while this looks very promising for their user groups, I wonder how many of these metrics will actually be available at launch? The Ionic was supposed to have SP02 readings but it look them an impossibly long time to actually implement.
I also find that fitbit’s customer service has always been lacking. So you get a rushed to market product without the actual functionality turned on with no real answers from customer service on when you will get those features. You find their forums littered with people who buy these watches then return them b/c it tracks 10,000 extra steps a day or doesn’t do the things that are advertised.
That all being said, it’s great to see them pushing the envelope here and at a competitive price point. That can only mean great things for the end users as other watchmakers will inevitably try to match features to at least some extent.
Yeah, tracking which metrics are and aren’t available at launch was making my head spin, especially when overlaid with which metrics are Premium vs Not. It’s something I’ll probably try and tackle once I actually get a unit hands-on.
I completely agree that Fitbit has often talked about features in the health arena to see them drag out for long periods of time. I worry some of the ‘Winter’ type features might fall into that camp.
New features sound great but still no ability to connect to a chest strap?
This launch would appear to be the formal (expected?) admission they’re not looking to compete in the meat of the exercise tracking market.
With that, looks like fitbit has deep-sixed any mention of the Ionic on the website.
Looks pretty cool, but in order for me to wear something like this the insights better be very valuable enough to replace my other wearable. The major downside is I already wear my Fenix 5c everyday to track my activities. I can’t imagine having to wear two watches all day to get value out of this. I really need an all in one solution, but glad Fit Bit is pushing the envelope on this. I know the regulatory approvals are extremely hard to get!
I’ve been wearing a Garmin and an Apple Watch for the last 3 years. You get used to it (in spite of feeling like a poor copy of Ray ?)
Why do you wear both? I can understand the garmin for actual sport activities but both of them all day?
Same Apple+Garmin person here.
For me reason to wear Garmin is to get the overall metrics from it – I find that body battery replicates my perceived exertion quite well and stress levels are also interesting. Notification and the whole “samrt” experience, on the other hand, is quite crappy in comparison with Apple Watch, so I’ve disabled all phone notifications on Garmin.
You can grab a free app called Training Today for Apple Watch. It matched up pretty well against Garmin body battery (which I was testing on my old Vivosmart 4).
What happens to all this essentially medical data that they will be collecting? Does it stay in the watch, or on the phone, or is it all processed centrally? What regulatory regime applies – GDPR? Does Fitbit share it with third parties? How good is their data security?
It’s owned by google,
So 0 privacy lgoically
Another device that will track your sleep but you can only use it their garden (and I am including Apple here too). I have a sleep sensor that at least I can export to CSV and directly uploads my metrics to Training Peaks. I would consider this device if I could actually export it but without that its DOA for me. I don’t want ANOTHER subscription, I have enough as it is already and want less not more (yes less is more sometimes). Anyway its still a great effort by them and I am interested to see what happens when the FitBit acquisition is approved (its going to get approved trust me).
I wonder if there will be a Scientology mode, you know, to get rid of those unwanted body thetans.
Looks interesting. One of the things I’ll be curious about in your deep dive for this is the ability to adjust text size. Having reached the age where I need reading glasses I find that unless there’s a way to make text size larger, there’s no way to see the info on many smart watches while working out.
For the Google Assistant and phone call support — does this watch have a mic and speaker?
Not very familiar with Fitbit products, but more interested now that Google owns them.
Microphone yes, but audio speaker is frankly a bit confusing at this point based on the wording. I’ll get some clarification.
Update: Confirmed, both Versa 3 & Sense have both speakers and microphones.
Also, more details on the topic (but not that detail), here: link to fitbit.com
Thanks for the follow-up!
I wish Garmin would add these features.
Essential for everyday wear stuff, though Pixel Buds 2 are largely taking care of those functions, for me.
No thanks!
A microphone on your wrists which will function pretty poor? No thanks. I forgive it on my phone, because of calling, but on a watch? Nah. When you cal, with your applewatch, you’re barely audible for the other side
I adored Fitbit and have bounced between Fitbit, Garmin, and Apple Watch many times and over various models. One thing my friends and I have noticed is Fitbit support has diminished dramatically. Their devices are as flimsy as ever but you are far more likely to get a 30% credit towards a new device than a replacement these days. I don’t consider myself hard on devices but Fitbits just seem so fragile.
Is there any decent heartrate monitor and fitness tracker that respects privacy and doesn’t sell your information? I am under the impression that Fitbit and Google both keep tabs on personal info. Do you know if this is true? Thank you.
Garmin doesn’t sell (or give) any data, nor does Suunto or Polar.
Even Fitbit says quite clearly they don’t. They also said as part of the acquisition they have no plans to sell your data – “The company never sells personal information, and Fitbit health wellness data will not be used for Google ads.”
Of course, that doesn’t much matter at the moment, since Fitbit isn’t part of Google yet. Also, one can decide whether or not they believe companies, but in general with GDPR and the way leaks work, for all the majors it’d get out pretty quick if they were selling PII data.
Remember the same was said when facebook bought instagram and whatsapp?
That didn’t age very well either.
Don’t trust google, they’ve proven over and over again that they can’t be trusted. Just like disabeling location history, doesn’t disable location tracking, but just doesn’t show it to you the user.
Devices are very cool, but this concept of “buy a device now and then pay us a fee to use all of its features” is very annoying.
Yup, I agree – especially for such a premium price point.
That said, it’s the trend, and I don’t suspect it’s one going away anytime soon.
What could be interesting though, is a device offered as part of a subscription. So you pay for something like Fitbit Premium Plus and get a Fitbit as part of your subscription (akin to what we have with cell phone plans).
Whoop! Whoop offers this for their heart strap and analysis at $30/month. That’s $720 (excluding discounts) for 2 years. For that price you can get an Oura Ring and Forerunner/Vivoactive, and these will still work after 2 years.
Yes, but it gives rather questionable data.
The price looks reasonable though.
“For that price you can get an Oura Ring and Forerunner/Vivoactive, and these will still work after 2 years.”
Or you could just buy a lot of wine and drink yourself to sleep. It’ll increase your sleep without having to look at data and make guesstimates if said Whoop data is correct.
That’s the model for Whoop and the upcoming Amazon Halo. Whoop is crazy overpriced though, and just kinda bad hardware.
#truth!
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Anyone else feeling meh?
If they want to do something helpful in the pandemic, why not bring contact tracing (PEPP-PT) to the watch?
I’d much rather have it in my watch than in my phone. Sometimes I take the underground to a park to go for a run. I don’t carry the phone, because it is heavy and big. I don’t take the phone with me in the gym as well.
These watches do have Bluetooth LE so it could be done.
Yes, I think Bluetooth contact tracing is useful. I have had a warning on my phone already (in Berlin).
It looks like ECG and Spo2 aren’t available on the UK edition. They aren’t listed in the features/spec on the fitbit website. Maybe due to some government restrictions?
At a glimpse, this seems like a really good product for someone like me: casual runner, Android user.
I currently have a Vivoactive 3 and I honestly never use most of the more in-depth features. I track runs with it, but never any of the training functionality. What I want out of a wearable is heart rate, added health features, steps, calorie-out estimates and good notifications.
Cycling is where I need more data and that’s why I have an Edge 1030 + chest strap.
Assuming that Fitbit has cleared up some of the QA issues that plagued the Versa and Ionic, I’ll likely be getting this.
Thanks for the interesting news
Is the SpO2 sensor going to be certified medical grade? My understanding is that the finger clip devices you can buy at the pharmacy as well as what Garmin provides are not (and are reliable only in extremely broad strokes, i.e., a reading of 95% means “I am probably above 90%”), while true medical-grade ones are only available by Rx or to clinicians. The tracking *could* be really interesting, but only if the data isn’t garbage.
“They’ve added heart rate variability tracking as well, something that surprisingly few wearables actually have, despite so heavily leveraging heart rate variability for so many assumptions around other health metrics. ”
Spot on, I want to see the HRV numbers, not just ‘stress’, body battery, etc.
I like Nightly Recharge on Polar but they don’t have a week/month/summary view of HRV. If Fitbit has good metrics for HRV, the Sense might be an alternative to something like Biostrap. But sounds like HRV is behind the Fitbit Premium subscription.
I really like the Whoop concept but like you I found the HR sensor itself was just bad. I’m still looking for something to better help me manage recover, mainly focusing on things like sleep, diet, etc. I’ve really found HRV overnight corresponds to how I feel the next day and I’d like to track it over time.
Looking forward to the full review!
It seems that Fitbit is trying to jump into the Covid monitoring monitoring market. Oura ring is already in that market. Oura ring has made deals with several sports teams, and is already being used for a long term research project.
The EKG is only good if it is medical grade. Kardia is one company in that space – app and hardware for 2 finger EKG, along with Dr/Cardiologist integration, and monthly reports.
As Ray, others, have commented – when will Fitbit offer a fully baked solution, not just bits with pieces missing. Plus what happens when Fitbit becomes Google Fitbit with Wear OS.
Observation on Oura ring – they stop at ring size US 13. I have large but not too large hands. Their size 13 ring only fits on my pinky fingers. If I try a different finger I almost have to do the thread to compress the skin trick to get the ring off.
Could this be a whoop killer
I think it could be a Whoop impacter longer term, but not short term. Nothing at this point seems focused on the gym/athlete site in terms of recovery/etc. But this is literally the starting line for Amazon. If we know anything about Amazon, it’s to assume they’ll be doing laps around the competition before we know it.
While they have failed at various hardware projects over the years, the failures are getting fewer and fewer.
Thanks for the article!
I don’t really know the fitbit devices but I’ve heard that the “smart” in smartwatch is not that great compared to e.g. Samsungs Watches.
I am currently using the Gear S3 Frontier and I can’t imagine using a smartwatch/phone combo that does not push all the notifications from threema, whatsapp, gmail, discord, phonecalls, … to my wrist. Will the Sense allow me to keep that or would I miss something in that area? I think that I’ve read something about “you can configure an (one!) app for ‘messenger notifications’ ” – this would be an issue for me because I use several of them.
Do you have any insights on that?
Thanks
What I would like is an overview of what is offered in Premium subscription only. Heard comments that you don’t even see history of heart rate during sleep. I understand that they charge for certain Interpretation of data and some other forms of active programs, but what else is hidden compared to something like Samsung, Polar, Garmin…
Is there a full review coming soon? I really need a new watch and fitbit seem to have brought, on paper, a solid health watch, very interested to see if good for fitness too. I guess with all the new Garmin watch reviews coming shortly the review for this is delayed a bit…
I can only write reviews when I have units in-hand. Some companies do a better job ensuring products are in-hand than others. And some companies hold back products for reviews until later in the announcement cycle (usually for PR reasons).
Fitbit has in recent years ‘gapped’ their announcement from reviews. Meaning that on announcement day there’s limited, if any, people who had access to a unit – and those aren’t permitted to say ‘review’. And then usually about 2-3 weeks later they get devices out and a specific review embargo date. Similar to how Apple does it.
Anyways, more as soon as I can…
How big is the watch? I comparison with other watches would be cool, the girl has small wrists.
Yup, will include in a full in-depth review for sure.
Wondering if the HR sensor is going to be significantly better. Also wondering if they will FINALLY allow for in exercise HR notifications ala Garmin. Would be nice to know if I’m above or below my target HR “window” without constantly looking down at the watch. And too much to ask to allow external HR straps/monitors?
Interested in the Versa 3. I’ve used an old Polar M400 for activity and workout tracking for the last few weeks. I’ve actually been very impressed with the way the polar ecosystem tracks activity into no, low, medium and high intensity activity. But the watch is not exactly a looker! Do Fitbit do the same or are the activity metrics just based around steps and workouts?
Fitbit Sense is now a medical device – Fitbit Earns FDA, EU OK for ECG App to Spot AFib
link to mpo-mag.com
Fitbit has received 510(k) clearance from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), as well as CE marking in the European Union, for its electrocardiogram (ECG) app to assess heart rhythm for atrial fibrillation (AFib), a condition that affects more than 33.5 million people globally.(1) The Fitbit ECG App, unveiled in Fitbit’s recent fall product launch, will be available in October 2020 to users on Fitbit Sense in the following countries: the United States, United Kingdom, Germany, Austria, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland, Czech Republic, Poland, Belgium, Portugal, Romania, Ireland, Italy, Spain, France, Hong Kong, and India.2,3
Would anyone know if this or other watch tracks fencing as an activity? I have a Whoop that does and an thinking of leaving that platform. Thanks!!
Hi,
I am the current owner of Fitbit Charge 2. I am having trouble with the assisted GPS, whereby the unit will disconnect every now and then when I am doing my cycling. Is a similar problem can happen with Fitbit Sense? I am currently contemplating a replacement for my Charge 2.
Halim