Polar Releases Major New Features to Vantage M & V Series

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Remember back in June when Polar announced the Polar Ignite GPS watch? That unit had a huge amount of new features not previously seen on any Polar device. The $220 device was mainly targeted at non-endurance athletes though, competing for the same dollars as an Apple Watch, Fitbit Ionic, or Garmin Vivoactive series. At the time Polar didn’t anticipate exactly how much endurance sports folks would want these features, specifically, folks that bought the Vantage V or Vantage M units.

It was actually an interesting discussion with them at the time, because some of these features (namely FitSpark and Nightly Recharge) are in some ways diametrically opposed to the higher end training load and recovery features found on the Vantage series. By and large, the endurance-focused Vantage series tries to get you from doing too much to aide recovery, whereas the Ignite series somewhat takes the approach of trying to get you to workout, even if you’ve already worked out.

Now today’s update doesn’t quite require us to sort that issue yet, as FitSpark isn’t coming till December. Instead, most of the updates today are around the less contentious features, such as sleep insights and even added Galileo satellite support.

Here’s everything the Vantage V & M got today:

– Sleep Quality Insights & Sleep Plus Stages: Gives you a sleep score as well as provides REM/Light/Deep sleep data
– Recovery Insight & Nightly Recharge Option: Looks at breathing rate/heart rate/heart rate variability (ANS data) to figure out if you’re recovering at night
– Serene guided breathing exercises: Guided breathing exercises
– Added Galileo satellite support: Another satellite system that can in some cases provide better coverage or accuracy
– Added QZSS satellite support: Satellite system focused on Japan/Asia/Oceania
– Added footpod manual sensor calibration: Ideal for footpod users to manually configure their calibration factor
– Added Zone Lock for heart rate/pace/running power/cycling power: Brings back the older Polar feature for the Vantage series
– Added fitness test using the internal optical HR sensor: This wasn’t previously available.

Further, in December, the Vantage V & M will receive another update, which will bring:

– FitSpark: This offers one-off workouts on-demand, kinda like having a workout robot in your watch
– Race Pace: Running focused feature from the V800 that’s for pacing races
– Strava Live Segments (Vantage V only): Tells you how far ahead/behind you are to leaders on a given Strava Segment

Atop all those changes, the company also added a new color variant to both the Vantage V & Vantage M: Blue. I appreciate that Polar just calls it blue, and not something like Frost Blue like some other companies…cough, Fitbit, Garmin, and Apple.  These bands can be purchased separately for $39 (Vantage V) and $24 (Vantage M). Finally, there’s also a ‘black copper’ version of the Vantage M coming on Thursday.

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Got all that? Good.

Let’s do a quick look through some of these features and how they appear: First up is the Sleep Quality insights and Sleep Plus Stages. These are largely viewed within the app though you can view much of this on the watch itself, it’s just not as pretty:

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Now there’s also Nightly Recharge, but that requires three days’ worth of data to get lit up, and at present I’ve only got one night’s worth of data on the new firmware.

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But just to give you a picture of what it looks like, here it is on the Polar Ignite watch:

Note that even after one night though, you’ll start getting the ANS sleep details showing up, on both watch and app:

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Next, if you’re on a Vantage V, you’ll be able to make the choice between Nightly Recharge, and Recovery Pro.  Remember, this goes a bit back to features targeted at two different crowds. Polar’s put up an entire page on how to decide which one makes the most sense for you at that point in time. It’s likely for example that you might go with Nightly Recharge for the off-season, but Recovery Pro for mid-season. Another Polar Ignite watch feature was Serene, which is a breathing exercise focused feature. That’s now accessible by pressing the lower left button, right next to settings.

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After that, Zone Lock has been added. This falls into the camp of ‘V800 things that are finally on the Vantage series’. This allows you to specify a heart rate target zone, but also a power or speed zone. And notably, Polar allows you to do so for running power as well as cycling power. Of course, if you’re on the Vantage V there’s also wrist-based running power too.

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Next, if you’ve got a running footpod, you can go ahead and manually calibrate this. To which a lot of people are like ‘WTF, finally!’. This impacts not just Polar’s own footpod, but also companies like Stryd.

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Finally, there’s the new Galileo satellite option. By default, Polar will still specify GPS+GLONASS (as does Garmin), but now you can manually change your preference over to Galileo. In talking to Polar, they recommended for my home training area to stay on GLONASS. This mirrors what Garmin says as well, though I suspect this frankly has less to do with my training area or Galileo, but more to do with the Sony GPS chipset both companies are using being less awesome in Galileo (versus the MediaTek chipset from yesteryear where I get excellent Galileo results).

In addition, they also added GPS + QZSS, which is aimed primarily at Japan/Asia/Oceania.

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Now I’ve only done two workouts with the new firmware. First was yesterday, an openwater swim, and in that case, I was using GLONASS (since that’s what Polar recommended). Though, perhaps I should have tried out Galileo because the Vantage M track was definitely the worst of the bunch.

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This morning I had a pool swim workout, so no GPS – nor really any of the new features. Though I did have issues where it didn’t track my distance at all. It just was null the entire swim. On the bright side, heart rate worked. This may or may not be related to the firmware update, I don’t know. I don’t typically take the Vantage M for pool swims, it was just sorta a case of the watch was on my wrist from the night sleep tracking, and off to the pool I went.

Still, bugs aside – I’m really looking forward to the continued updates here. Whether it be bringing back previously discarded features (as with the Zone Lock), or bringing in the new Ignite features, it’s good to see Polar hitting the release timeframes they’ve promised, especially when new features are involved.

With that – thanks for reading!

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156 Comments

  1. JR

    Thanks for the review, bit one question. Yoe say Polar’s advice is to stay on Galileo, but the Sony chipset being less awesome on Galileo. Typo?

  2. JR

    Oh, and sorry for my own typos 😂

  3. Dirk

    DCR: „ Added fitness test using the internal optical HR sensor: Previously this required a chest strap, now it doesn’t.“

    Nope, there wasn‘t any fitness test on the watch before the update. There was only the orthostatic test (which sadly still requires a strap).

  4. Mats

    Can you see any logic in keeping the stride sensor per sport profile AND per unit? If I enter a factor on my VV it is not synced to my M430. Shouldn’t it just be a number stored with the sport?

    /Mats

    • flokon

      Spot Profiles should synch globally via Flow Synch (not Flow mobile!). That’s the reason you already could set a manual calibration for a Vantage watch if you owned a M430 or V800, When I unlocked stride calibration with yesterday’s update, the calibration factor in my Vantage V was the same that I set in my M430.
      Well, unless of course they changed the behavior of profiles with Update 4.

  5. Robert

    Hope Garmin take note of running zone locks and alerts! wouldn’t take more than watch and scale to go back to Polar, just as I ditched polar 3 years ago because of the inability to really do structured HR/pace workouts properly because of being tied to 5 zones, rather than the Garmin way of specifying a 5bpm or 10s pace window. But for power which I’ve transferred over to 5 zones is perfect!

  6. Dave Lusty

    OK so I updated. And now I want to throw my Vantage V at the wall. If I have even one notification it buzzes once a minute until I clear them. If I have none it will randomly buzz and beep every now and then just to remind me I’m wearing it. I take a look at the screen and…nothing happening.

    Could you give it a test on yours (anyone, not just Ray!) and see if it’s just me with the update? Thanks 🙂

  7. Josh

    Still no plan to allow notifications other than phone calls during activity?

  8. Jens

    Hi Ray,
    Amazing to hear even you get 0 distance for pool swim😀I have got that tons of times with V. It got better when I started gliding after turns but not every swim even.

    • Henrik Engert

      The V tracks my swim every time. Only issue I have is when it goes above ~1000m or so, it adds an extra 25 for some reason. I thought it was just me doing something stupid, but it does it every time.

    • Chris

      For my swims it tracks fine fore some time and then stops completely, or only adds 25m per 100m of swimming. And the pace is always off for every lap!
      So seems like thats not your fault, the Vantage series is just a watch for duathletes!

  9. Tim Grose

    I find it a little ironic that Polar now provide much better support to Stryd users for pace but, from what I understand, if you compare the power numbers the respective companies get with their somewhat different ways of computing it – they are way different. So when you say “if you’re on the Vantage V there’s also wrist-based running power too” is there actually a choice of using Stryd power over Polar power in the same way Garmin (at least partially through Connect IQ) allow Stryd power over their own offering which also is way different!

    • tom

      Most Power users with Polar will use Stryd. If you have a Stryd, its numbers are used without you having to do anything .

    • JDaCapo

      I have alternately used both, Stryd and Vantage V for running power, depending on what kind of runs I have done. Stryd for intervals and trail running and Vantage V for base pace runs. I did do quite some test runs (with V800) and Stryd and Vantage V to compare them and my AVG results were pretty close to what Stryd is suggesting: link to support.stryd.com
      I simply normalized them by adding 25% to my weight on Stryd, so running power zones from both devices are adequately accurate for my usage.
      Daily use is pretty simple: if I take Stryd w/ me, Vantage simply connects to the sensor and uses data from Stryd. If I leave Stryd at home (and make sure it does not connect to the running sensor), it uses Vantage V for running power).

    • henau212

      To make the matter even worse, it seems that even Stryd is different between the versions. I upgraded to the new wind sensitive version a couple weeks ago. Now, my critical power is around ~30 Watt higher than before. Weight etc. in the settings is the same. Still loving the new version. But that renders the old version useless for me, since I cannot switch between them (was planning to use the old version on a second pair of shoes).

    • Mikey

      This is good to know. The difference in figures get between wrist based on the V and Stryd is massive. Have you found the inclusion of wind on the new one makes the power output figures more realistic to actual effort?

    • henau212

      As I am living in a windy region: Yes, it really does make a difference. You can see the power values rise when wind comes in. Are those realisitc values? Kind of hard to tell. I only had a couple of weeks with it. Seems pretty accurate for headwind. But also tailwind seems to have raised the power in a couple of occasions. Still need more runs with strong wind to verify that. Maybe it was just wrong perception or positioning of the sensor on my part.

    • Peter C

      But power no’s are relative. There is no, accepted way of measuring power yet, both polar/garmin and stryd do it there own way. Which is right? The jury is still out, essentially force x velocity = power.
      So Garmin/Polar account for rebound, which would dampen the actual power.
      Ultimately when training, does it matter, what matters is consistency and if training/racing for an event, whilst you use that metric, currently racing is determined by time, not watts/kg, so use power like you do in cycling, as one of many tools to assess your effort.

    • Tim Grose

      I did a video on whether the wind was being detected. link to youtube.com Verdict yes but need more experience with it to properly assess it and they don’t tell you how much “Air Power” (the extra watts for the wind) you are getting on the run in real time which makes it harder to gauge I feel.

    • Tim Grose

      Peter C – for me it matters if say I forgot my Stryd. One might then have Garmin or Polar power available but largely unusable as you are not used to the differing numbers. Bike power meters are not always “exactly” the same but at least they won’t typically be much out from device to device.

    • Tim Grose

      henau212 – my numbers with the Stryd Wind and the old Stryd Summit are much closer than you. I certainly could use either or. My CP hasn’t really changed at all.

    • henau212

      That is kind of interesting. I just checked. My w/kg went up around .4 (which equates to around 32 watts) the day I swapped the stryd. Maybe I will contact the support (although there are poeple reporting up to 50 extra watts in the stryd forum). Still apart from that, the device works like a charm and is a big benefit in a windy region. I just had to adapt my power zones..

  10. Jl

    My Vantage has given me 0 m on the first swim after every single firmware update. On the second swim, everything has been normal on the spot. Go figure.. Something in the swim tracking goes bonkers on update, but recovers. I think I expect the same with this one. Thanks for the reminder.

  11. dizpark

    What is the general feeling/consensus re maturity of Vantage M and V at this point in time. I am am mostly interested in oHR and GPS performance AND coming from M430 perspective. At the time of the release and for a time after that, from the comments here and elsewhere I got the feeling that that at least regarding the performance of oHR and GPS, Vantage was not there yet (compared to M430).
    Or in other, simpler words, would you recommend upgrading from M430 to Vantage M or V NOW. And again – I am not so much worried about feature set that may still be missing on Vantage as compared to M430 – but more about oHR and GPS performance.

    • flokon

      I bought both the V+M on release because they were knew and looked promising. As a runner only I can honestly say that my old M430 does the same job and then some. I don’t use oHR but GPS on the M430 is way more accurate than my V, which is atrocious.
      I don’t care about a rich feature set either, but miss many little things the M430/V800 had for training.

    • dizpark

      Thanks a lot for sharing our experience. Sadly, in a way it is not what i *wanted* to hear, as it does not warrant an upgrade for me (although I start having issues with charging/syncing contact of my M430).
      So you ended up keeping V and not M. From snippets here and 5krunner’s review it appeared that Vantage M had better GPS performance than V. But there are other reasons for choosing V over M, of course.

    • flokon

      I used both along with my trusted M430 and FR935 for about half a year and sold the M then. For one because the V lost more in resale value than the M, which can be sold for close to its retail price. Mostly though because the V is much better built and wears so much better than the M, which while not feeling cheap, does feel a bit flimsy for Polar’s standards (compared to the tank like M430, V800, and now V). The V just has a more premium feel to it in many details not seen/mentioned in the promo shots, like the much better screen glass.
      Yes, the M has superior GPS reception, supposedly due to its plastic housing vs the stainless steel of the V. I use a Stryd so GPS accuracy is not something I care a lot about. The V’s tracks do lack the tightness of the M, M430, and most notably 935.
      I have a couple of stretches on my daily route that I use to compare GPS accuracy between watches and updates, one of which the V NEVER gets right, no matter the time of day or way I wear it. Today though it nailed the segment to the T (GPS+Glonass). Of course one day is highly anecdotal, seeing that it is the first time in a year though makes me optimistic, that they – or Sony, for that matter, being under pressure from Garmin – actually made improvements to GPS accuracy.
      The V is down to like €350, if you can live with small niggles like the lacklustre pause screen, useless lap alert screen or missing training views like Last Lap modifiers (this baffles me the most), the V is a VERY nice piece of training equipment. On the plus side you get very good battery life, and a sports watch that actually looks good. Is that what you wanted to hear? 🙂
      But yeah, if you just need a piece of gear to record your run and sync it to Strava, a M430 is more than enough.

    • dizpark

      Thanks a lot for your detailed contribution, It helps me and others, I am sure.

      Here is my perspective/ where I am coming from. The stable of M430 in my family (me and kids) are mostly used for orienteering – a) for training – to maintain and track training diary, and while running to give guidance on HR zones, perhaps some structured running workouts etc. – b) for orienteering event post-even analysis – and this is where a GPS performance comes into play (actually needs to be as good as possible). And it doubles as a daily watch – to know what time it is and other old-school boring stuff :-). The sleep metric, daily goal percentage, inactivity alerts – these are all secondary – nice to have a look at but not essential. The other sport is MTB and MTB orienteering and and so far M430 is quite sufficient for that too (no power meter for kids :-).

      The orienteering crowd here are mostly using Suuntos and Polars (especially M430). Most probably for a good reason.
      And actually M430 is close to perfect for our needs – quite good GPS tracks and reasonably accurate oHR tracking. Structured workouts (and Polar flow training plans in the background, if you want them). Also one of the nice touches we like is that the watch gives an immediate feedback on the training you completed – you know tempo, tempo+ etc. And one can look at a number of metrics and evaluations right on the watch – no need to load app for that.

      Also, we would like to keep it is a single package as much as possible (i.e. of course one can improve HR reading with OH1 or chest strap, but that is not practical).

      There are some issue with M430, hence why I am looking at alternatives at all.
      – it is quite a brick, especially on kids wrists
      – battery life could be better
      – I have two M430, which have developed problems with charging socket on the back of it. (this might have something to do with a couple of swims in salt water Atlantic ocean.
      – some of the new fancy metrics on Vantage M could provide further interest point/ motivation.

      So when the new Vantage was announced, I was very excited, especially about Vantage M (because of form factor), but soon cooled off for obvious reasons.

      We have no experience with Garmin watches so far, but one of the kids won a Garmin Forerunner 45. We now have a chance to test it against the old trusty M430 (especially I am curious about OHR and GPS performance). It is better that M430 in some aspects – form factor, battery life, but it is also lacking in comparison – for instance it lacks the immediate post training feedback that we value so much in M430.

    • I can definitely recommend the H10 for HR performance and STRYD or the Polar STRIDE sensor for pace performance 😉 (similar recommendation applies to Garmin products)
      if you want accurate ohr then get a OH1+ and wear it on your forearm

      it really is that simple but not the answer you wanted.

      as @flokon says the M seems to have better gps/gnss prior to the latest update.

  12. flokon

    I usually appreciate the little things that are changed with major updates, that often go unnoticed:
    – many changes of positions, and fonts to increase readability (notably date on “Polar” watch face, cog wheel and sensor icons in training mode)
    – increased responsivness of the watch, and this is big: until now scrolling was halted until a confirmation (green checkmark) ran its internally set course, or a screen was completely loaded. You can change screens now despite animations not having finished, like on a Garmin. This improves daily usability quite a bit!

  13. RJ

    Will you get a Running Index score using a calibrated footpod with a Vantage V? If I ran in the past with my Milestone pod, those runs wouldn’t have a Running Index. Has this been updated as well?

  14. Simon B

    Not to forget:
    – Inactivity alert is back
    – Constant backlight during training now possible
    – Detailed lap information on your watch
    – Vantage V only: by swiping down yot get the quick setting menu to set alarm, flight mode and do not disturb mode. You can see battery status (percentage) as well. Very convenient and usefull.

  15. R Batra

    Hi Ray, I’m interested to know how accurate the Heart Rate Variability (HRV) tracking is?

    Do you still need a chest strap to measure this – or has the sampling time been decreased (more measurements per second) on the Heart rate sensor on the watch to be able to calibrate minuet changes between heartbeats?

    • flokon

      There is no HRV tracking. The orthostatic test needs a strap for good reason, and nightly recharge “tracks” HRV and puts out a 4h-avg.
      Without wearing say a Holter at the same time, it’s hard to say whether Polar gets HRV right. From my experience with HRV4Training, Polar’s Orthostatic Test differs quite a bit.
      I have to wear a 24h-Holter on a regular basis to monitor my training but as anyone who works with them knows it’s kinda hard to pinpoint a 4-minute Intervall in 80.000+ data points.
      Who knows, the trends seem to be kinda accurate although I often get contrary recommendations from HRV4 and Polar. The linchpin is that you build the baseline properly, which unfortunately isn’t communicated well enough by Polar.

    • R batra

      @flokon – You wear Holter for monitoring your training? That’s next level.

      With HRV being such a critical indicator of recovery and with more and more athletes looking to it as a standard measure I wonder how long it’ll be till Ray does a deep dive on this with the likes of an oura ring and the likes.

    • Yeah, I don’t see me doing an Oura ring or similiar tracker type review. I’m not really a big ring person. Sorry!

  16. Ognjen

    Continuous heart rate tracking can now be used during night only.
    This is very good for my needs, I really don’t need it during whole day, but need it to track my sleeping better.

  17. Michael Lüghausen

    And in order to push selling of Polar products Strava disables direct pairing of bluetooth and Ant+ with their own app and gave me a discount code for buying a polar vantage product.
    Better they would search for competent programmers

  18. Domenico Gullo

    Hi Ray,

    I have a question for you : Has the update improved the situation regarding the GPS accuracy? Or is it an hardware implementation issue which can’t be solved?

    I am asking to your biblical knowledge because I am wondering whether to buy the Vantage V or the Garmin 945 as I am going to upgrade my Polar M600. I really like Polar Flow (much better than Garmin Connect) however I see GPS accuracy not really being Polar best asset.

    Thanks in advance,

    Bests,

    Domenico

    • Giovanni Perillo

      I have a polar Vantage V, and man, even with the new update, I’m still regretting that I did not go for the Garmin 945. In short:

      – Hard to read screen in low light condition (finally back light on all time on.. but still doesn’t help in daily use)
      – Very bad GPS accuracy
      – Swimming record distance fail to work properly very often
      – No lap metric during the training (ex. if you make a lap while running, you will get the time of the lap, but no other info like pace distance or so on… the old polar M400 had that.. )
      – Optical HR sensor not really accurate… tried to perform a fitness test with it this morning.. and it failed 3 times.

      Then if you are thinking to combine it with H10 HR sensor…. well… nice sensor… bought it mainly for the capability to record on the device directly… and when I try, as soon as I have a workout longer than 1h… it fail. Contact support… their answer: ” we are aware of a firmware bug.. this need to be addressed in a future update”… last update was July… since then nothing.. unbelievable how they could have a product out with the major feature bugged without solving it in a short time.

      So stay with the old one or invest more and go to garmin (and this is from a old supporter of Polar products… their behavior with the Vantage series and lack of basic functionalities to maybe be addressed with updates…. is embarrassing )

    • polar has made several incremental changes to improve GNSS accuracy over the last year or so
      The latest firmware introduces the availability of more satellites via GALILEO.
      945 and Vantage use the same chip
      Polar also use SBAS for GNSS, which I believe Garmin does not.

      I don’t think you will find notably better GNSS with 945 over Vantage. (IMHO Vantage M is better than 945)

      in what way and for what purpose do you need more gps accuracy than that offered by Polar/Garmin?

    • dizpark

      the5krunner, slightly off-topic, but is my understanding correct that the entry level Forerunner 45 uses the same Sony GNSS/GALILEO Chip as Garmin 945?

    • flokon

      With all due respect, tfk, “in what way and for what purpose do you need more gps accuracy than that offered by Polar/Garmin?” seems a little denying of the problems this chip, especially in the VV’s housing has. Have you seen DCR’s tracks he released but didn’t include in the AW5 first-run blog?
      Especially now that it’s getting colder and runners wear more layers the accuracy drops even more. My last couple of runs with the Vantage beneath a long sleeve or a wind jacket showed the worst tracks I ever experienced with that watch. And I’m not talking shifts of a couple meters but cutting corners by 20m and more, jaggies on perfectly straight paths, and the list goes on. I guess with ever improving algorithms average pace, and overall distance turns out fine, but it gets more and more useless for instant pace.

    • Domenico

      Thanks, 5k runner, I also read your website.

      I would like to have a good gps accuracy within the limit of the current technology – which should be always largely reliable. Good gps accuracy in my mind means around 2-3 % difference in total distance covered ( I am not talking about current pace which is out of question with the exception of using stryd or any other good footpod). For instance, my polar M600 which use a mediatek chip ( the same of the 935 I presume but without Glosnass), it is sometime unrelieable with 10 % distance difference when compared to the gps of my phone ( I use two programmes to check on the phone and track is solid). It is ok if I do basic run ( 50 k running for week on average, sometime 90k) but as I am increasing my training for an half ironman sometime next year I would like to have a watch where GPS and HR accuracy are good, even in open water swim (within the limit of the current technology). ANT+ compatibility is a plus but not a must to have.
      Garmin – according to most folks please correct me if I am wrong – gets gps signal faster than Polar.

      In addition, I may moving to a city with high buildings ( Singapore) where my M600 never decently worked (sync with phone before to get the fix, restarted, etc.)

      As far I can see the last update of the Vantage fixed some issue. Sometime I think that for Vantage V the issue is more hardware as the antenna is not well located and somehow shielded.

      So after months of thinking, I narrowed down to two solutions: Polar V ( hoping to get a revised version) or M plus stryd or Garmin 945( rev D which is not affected by button issue)?

      I hope now it is more clear and I thank you for your advice.

      Best regards,

      Domenico

    • Ryan

      I have returned the 945 due to the button issue,and I bought a COROS aprx 46,now the coros serves well.

    • Tim Grose

      My 945 gives as good GPS accuracy as any GPS device have used in the last 15 years and that is loads. No worries for me. Can’t speak for a Polar though.

    • Markus G

      If you’re going the Stryd way and your watch allows to easily setup the correction value, I’d go for it. I use a Stryd-pod (in fact two) for 2 years now. But you should take the time to find the correction-value for your Pod (no auto!). As I lost my first one I can say that those units have some deviation. So if the default 100% value is ok, then it’s luck. My first unit was at ~98% and my 2nd Stryd is now at ~103%. That’s a remarkable difference.
      Anyway, once determined (I suggest a really good measured stretch or just go to a 400m track), the reported distances are really good and as someone who runs a lot of curved trails in forests, it’s more accurate than GPS for me.

      Short: with Stryd you can select your watch by other means than GPS accuracy. They all get the basic track good enough to see where you have been running and to make navigation working.

    • Jormaperti

      Domenico,

      In Singapore (never been there, though) you will definitely want to have a foot pod. No satellite position system will give you any decent track, current speed or total distance there due to the limited visibility to the sky, I’m afraid. As Markus G wrote, Stryd would be recommendable.

      As you are planning to increase your running mileage and training volume, I guess you would enjoy Stryd’s additional running metrics, and – to avoid overtraining – Polar Vantage V’s recovery metrics. Both by far better than the rest on the market, currently at least.

      VV + Stryd seems to be about the same price category as the 945, and it’s Flow compatible too, so this seems a no-brainer to me. But it’s just me, of course… VV’s gps track is nowadays way better than on the early days, not perfect but not bad either. Anyway better than its reputation… But no maps on the watch or contactless payments or ANT+ support there.

      And as an athlete, you will need a HR strap (H10 with the VV unless you have H7 already with your M600, which would be good to go with VV too).

      Happy training,
      jp

    • misa

      “in what way and for what purpose do you need more gps accuracy than that offered by Polar/Garmin?”

      I normally run with stride sensor and a Vantage V, I forgot to put my sensor one day, so Power came from the Vantage itself.
      I live in a city, so GPS precision isn’t always good, but that has an similar effect on the power measurement, which you can see on Polar flow.

      I wouldn’t recommend the Polar V without the stride sensor because of that.
      Polar sells the V with power from the wrist but you can’t rely on the results, so yes GPS accuracy is an issue.

  19. john

    Thank you for the update!

    Question: What is ANS data? “– Recovery Insight & Nightly Recharge Option: Looks at breathing rate/heart rate/heart rate variability (ANS data) to figure out if you’re recovering at night”

    A strap is required for the orthostatic (HRV) test with Vantage V. How would the new feature work? sleeping with the strap? Ugh.

    Cheers 🙂

    • Tomek

      1. Autonomic nervous system.
      2. It’s not a new feature, it was in Vantage V from the start – link to support.polar.com

    • flokon

      Nope, no strap needed. For some reason uncommented by Polar, during “Nightly Recharge” the optical sensor is accurate enough to get a HRV reading. I tried it for the last two nights, and it seems fine with only a couple of periods where it didn’t get a reading. Will stick to recovery pro though since the V really is way too clunky to be worn overnight.

  20. Steve De Doncker

    I’m a Polar v800 user holding on to two features currently not ported or planned to be ported.

    – time/distance alert with custom message
    – last (auto) lap data field

    Anyone got any word of these will make it to the Vantage?

    • flokon

      Especially the omission of your latter item baffles many users, and this has been asked since the release of the Vantage line. When I contacted Polar support in summer regarding “last lap” modifiers that are missing from the Vantage, they told me they were working on “lap views” for this update but didn’t go into detail whether last lap was part of that process. Unfortunately their support has a strict gagging order, when it comes to what is planned, and so they knowingly misunderstood my question, and put me off with a caned answer. Latest info is, that according to the5krunner, who asked after update 4.0 hit, that Polar doesn’t see a use of the last lap modifier for training views, because in their eyes there are enough views that give the same information as last lap. Which in reality is plain wrong.

    • Jormaperti

      Agreed. I also hoped ”lap views” would be something more than they appeared to be on this fw update. And the pause screen could be more informative. IIRC details while paused were initially missing on V800 too, but Polar decided to add them later.

      Good update, but still work to be done.

      jp

    • Terry

      Been using the V800 since it’s release. Only issue was its size. Bought the vantage M expecting similar features (I reckoned, why would any company want to downgrade features/functionality?) Big mistake. Two features I absolutely must have are last lap display, for racing, & countdown timer repeats, for track training. With vibrate alerts, so as not to annoy the hell out of everyone else around me. How difficult is that, the V800 has them. My original 20 year old Polar has countdown timer repeat. But no, Polar prefers to give us bling. Why? It’s a running tool, not something to play with & dribble over. I know how I’ve been sleeping thanks, I can tell when I wake up, or take my HR if I’m not sure. And a plain black strap is fine thanks, don’t worry about offering the full colour range. Anyway, I returned the M & reverted to the V800. Unfortunately I managed to fall during a recent X/C race ( I’m old, so not so steady on the old pins these days, especially when I forget to swap out my track spike pins for X/C pins in the mud & on the hills.) Cracked my knee, but worse than that, I cracked the V800 screen. I’m expecting it to expire soon. So Polar, please sort yourselves out, get one of your software programmers to spend a couple of hours writing the code for the blindingly obvious & simple upgrades that many Polar wearing athletes actually want.

    • Marathon Man

      Sorry to hear about your fall and damage to V800. That thing was a tank so you must have taken quite a tumble…. 🙁

      The strange thing is Polar marketed their approach as being different to Garmin (not worrying about pay / music / navigation) and focused on the athlete / serious enthusiast and what they need in a device. This makes the absence of simple stuff like last lap views even more baffling!

      At this point, the stubborness to add something simple that athletes actually require (a year on from launch) is frustrating.

      Come on Polar, bring back the Last Lap views – both automatic and manual (HR, Power, Pace, Distance, Cadence). This isn’t beyond you.

    • Terry O'Neill

      Thanks for your concern – the watch broke my fall 😏
      Actually I was running downhill on mud through woods/tree roots wearing track spike pins and dark glasses – an accident waiting to happen. You would think I might have learnt something after 40 years of athletics. Glasses also flew off. Ran the last 4k with my mud splattered glasses in my hand – I looked like the gopher on Deputy Dawg 😂

  21. nachovica

    Thanks for the update. I think, however, that most of the added features should have been available since release date. And I still wonder why a feature similar to Garmin Virtual Racer (or running against a saved workout) is not available in a high end watch like Vantage V

  22. Florian

    Hello ! Do you guys know if the bug fixes have solved the crashes during long GPX route navigation?

  23. g b

    Is there still no way to turn off the Vantage V?

  24. Ognjen

    Does anyone use Garmin Speed Sensor 2 with Vantage (M in my case)? New fw apparently did nothing to solve dropout issue I’m having. Otoh Cadence Sensor 2 works great.

  25. MK

    After the updates, which one do you think is a better purchase? The Ignite, now costs around 190 euros, or, the Vantage M which I find it on discount at 230 Euros?

  26. Neil Browning

    First long run after the update today and the watch failed to resume twice following an GPS connectivity related auto-pause … interested if anyone else has seen this.
    This was on a route I run 4 days a week and it’s never happened before.
    Vantage M Using GPS+Glonass

    • Neil Browning

      Sorry about the chicken

    • Eric

      I haven’t had that specific problem, but I have had my watch restart several times just after a mile of running has been recorded, and it has been happening consistently since the 4.0.11 update.

      Frustrated Vantage V owner…

    • flokon

      Same here, lots of reboots. The dreaded “oops, something went wrong” message is gone, now the watch just reboots out of the blue. Ongoing activity is lost in the process, of course.

    • Martijn

      I haven’t had that problem at all on the M.

      Only reboots are ones I initiated because of Bluetooth pair issues to the iPhone (about once a month the phone and the M don’t want to be friends anymore).

    • flokon

      Happens on both my V & M. The V though is more susceptible to it because of the unstable navigation feature, which the M does not support.

    • Wouter Gardeyn

      After my second run with the new firmware, I had the same after 10k of running. I feel your frustration!

    • Eric

      I am not having crashes anymore after turning off autolap on the running sport profile. Worth a try for those still having issues.

      Still no response from Polar support.

    • Olivier

      I notice exactly the same problem. There is a big issue with the autopause since the last update. Actually, it seems that the GPS, sometimes, is unable to restart all alone…
      A friend has exactly the same problem.
      I sent a request to the support.
      The only solution is to desactivate the autopause… this is boring especially bike workouts…

    • Eric

      I finally received a response from Polar this morning. They are aware of the problem (admitting it’s a problem is the first step. Only took a week.)

      Their solution until a hotfix is released is:

      take autolaps/manual laps out of use
      set vibration and sound “off”
      try “Other outdoor” sport profile

      I have turned autolaps off in my running and treadmill profile, and have not had a crash in two sessions on one of my watches. On another of my watches, I have left autolap on on both profiles, and it is still crashing. On my third watch, a white Vantage V, I am not seeing crashes regardless of the settings.

      How long until a hotfix is released? hahaha. This is going to be a nightmare for Polar.

  27. Ognjen

    I’m having problems with watch not continuing training tracking after auto-pause (during cycling). Happened twice already on two rides. This never happened prior update 4.

    • Pete

      Not an issue with my Vantage V at all.

      I just run. No GPS issues, records HR as well as well as another model with Wahoo HR strap on. Even compared the watch HR to a Pulse Oximeter from a GE S5 Patient monitor, and spot on, even when moving around.
      Lot’s of negativity here, Garmin must have it’s bot’s out.

      My take on the Vantage V is it’s a Pro watch, so many of the features missing or not like Garmin are probably not there for that reason. I personally don’t want to run with maps, notifications, music, payment methods, I just wanna run. Lot’s of comparisons too with older models, back then, we didn’t have smart phones and other online stable platforms, we do know, and from my own experiences, just like post bike ride, I don’t pick up my device and browse it for stats, I pick up my phone. When I run, I look at my HR if it’s a recovery or long run, if it’s intervals it is programmed and I do as it tells me, and tempo’s/race I select a pace, lock it in, and run…

    • flokon

      I’ve been using Polar since the end of the 90s, I’m hardly one of Garmin’s “bots”. I don’t like the company, and find their devices of cheap quality, bloated with casual lifestyle fluff, and overpriced.
      With that said, I have to disagree with you on the negativity. Noone is giving Polar a hard time because of lack of smartwatch features (like pay, music et cet.). Instead, people are sharing their experience with the latest update, like with any other product, and rightly so, because as you said, it’s a “pro watch”, yet is missing basic features, that professional or any enthusiast athlete can benefit from
      – I ran eight times since the update, and my VV rebooted three out of those eight times. That’s not very “pro like”.
      – Hitting pause shows a huge icon of the activity’s profile, wasting screen estate, instead of giving basic information like distance, duration, avg. HR. I know what sport I’m doing, thanks. Not very “pro like”.
      – Phased training doesn’t give any information on the last phase whatsoever. Usually you wanna know the pace or distance (depending on whether you do distance or time paced intervals) of your last interval. It merely shows the next phase, that’s usually rest/recovery after an interval, very useless information. You cannot even work around this flaw by using training views, because guess what, Polar for some reason decided the Last Lap modifiers from M430/V800 are not necessary anymore. Not very “pro like”.

      Instead, we get lifestyle fluff, the very kind of features you mocked! Serene Breathing, more sleep stats, a useless fitness test. Next stop will be FitSpark, the epitome of features aimed at the casual/smartwatch crowd. That is the opposite of a “pro” watch in my book.

    • Ognjen

      Vantage M is my first sports watch (picked it over Garmin because friends explained to me that Polar is an athlete oriented company, not lifestyle like Garmin). I have people telling me miracle stories still about their V800, I fully understand Polar veterans wanting all the features back from those days. First I wanted to buy M430, but turned to VM because of good price I got (and being current model).
      I bought the watch to track my newly found running at the beginning, but since I’ve been cycling like crazy.
      – There were issues with GPS on running (especially being close to tall buildings) and oHR behaving crazy on interval runs (that’s why I bought H10 as well).
      – On cycling I find GPS much more precise.
      – There were many syncing issues, inability to set CHR tracking during night only (which I recommended to Polar via YT) etc.
      – Today, I find GPS behaving mostly fine (especially after 3.2.10 update), oHR looks better (even though I recommend using H10 always), syncing issues looks solved after 4.0.11.
      – There’s this worrying post 4 update auto-pause bug I hit twice.
      Hearing all the bad VV stories, I find myself lucky with M, too.
      Polar, please solve the issue with new Garmin Speed Sensor, can’t be that hard to make it work. Otherwise, consider activating ANT+ support (which should take care of it) in hardware.

    • Neil Browning

      No bots – just asking if anyone had similar experience.
      My watch has been absolutely great until this week.
      My wife has a Garmin 245 – and that is equally great.

    • Pete

      Then don’t use it.
      I don’t have those issues of bricking, so maybe you need to contact polar!
      Why do you need to see anything when you select pause? I hit pause if I have to stop for traffic etc. Using phased workouts, just look at your watch as the effort is ending, which you’d be doing anyways to see if you were on track!
      As for Serene etc, Serene is very useful, just like yoga and meditation, taking time out of your day to choose (doesn’t prompt you, ever) Serene is your choice, same as choosing Fitness Test or Recovery Pro/Recharge.
      Fitspark as DC said is contentious, but if they work it into an overall program, cross training is beneficial and something runners often neglect.
      Sleep tracking; not sure you comment is worthy of an answer. As sleep is the most beneficial thing you can do for recovery, and advancements on that is warranted and you welcomed.
      Again I suggest you contact Polar support, awesome in Australia.
      Personally I’m enjoying a smaller
      company getting out there and making changes, slowly, with thought, without bloat and without flooding the market with incessant product updates. I know I’ll have this watch for years…

    • Marathon Man

      I agree with Flokon and I also have been using Polar since end 90s. I find some of the decisions that Polar are making to be baffling. I appreciate they have limited resources and are not trying to compete against Garmin with smartwatch features e.g. pay / music etc.
      But to remove things as simple as Last Lap training view that has been standard on their watches for years demonstrates to me, a lack of understanding of the market they claim to be targeting. I’m not against them adding the lifestyle stuff to the watch e.g. serene breathing etc, but again find it strange that they appear to do that at the expense of getting the training side of the watch back to the level of V800.
      And then if they are going to add features like Serene Breathing, why isn’t this captured in Flow like Fitness Test & Orthostatic tests are. Why can’t you record how many times you have done this over a period of time and monitor any improvement….

      That said, I’m glad they took the feedback and added back footpod calibration 🙂

      Personally, I’d like to see them open the platform up a little more to capture / display data from a broader range of devices.
      I’d also like to see them exploring some of the stuff that Garmin are looking at e.g. acclimation to temperature etc.

    • Simon B

      No reboots for me at well. I had only a no start after an autopause while cyling home from work. will track that this week. GPS is the same as before. Will test Galileo this week while my daily commuting.

  28. Eric

    Lots of complaints on the Polar facebook page about crashing watches following the firmware update. I have three Vantage Vs in my household, and they are all having the problem. Polar is not being responsive at all. This is a bad situation.

    Does anyone know if it’s possible to downgrade firmware?

    • Pete

      I have perused reddit and the polar Facebook site, and it seems to be clear what may be causing the issue, based on a similar theme amongst them.
      Have you changed your gps setting to Galileo? In 9 out of 10 comments I have read on this issue, the user has changed to Galileo, and it’s occurred on M’s and V’s!

    • Eric

      No, all of the watches were set to the default (GPS+Glonass) before and after the update. I am going to try switching to GPS+Galileo today, just to see what happens.

      My impression of the problem is it’s something to do with automatic laps. I will also try shutting off the automatic lap at X distance feature. We seem to have fewer problems with treadmill runs, where we typically don’t have that feature on in the tresdmill running sport profile, and we don’t manually take laps.

      Thanks for the suggestion.

      Still haven’t heard from Polar. I’ve contacted them via twitter and web support.

    • Paul

      I have also experienced 3 crashes over 4 sessions since updating. I can confirm I have GPS+GLONASS setting. Since the first crash I’ve tried reinstalling the Flow app, as well as a factory reset, but to no avail. The only thing I still haven’t tried is removing automatic laps. I find it ridiculous that we have to try out all these things while Polar remains silent.
      Fortunately, I still have my V800 as back-up. I hate to think of other users who are trying to follow a training plan in these circumstances, or who are experimenting these crashes on race day.

  29. rafaelo

    I have no problems with latest update on Vantage V. Did the update and after that reset of the watch. No problems with 5 running activities after updating. Now it even automatically syncs with my Motorola mobile.

    So maybe there is a problem with earlier revisions of the watch as I bought mine in September or maybe people not doing reset after update.

  30. Mike

    Updated my Polar M and the thing now works as good as before plus has the described new features. So all good and well here.

  31. flokon

    Experience after a week: disappointing to outright frustrating

    – GPS accuracy (GLONASS, no point in using anything else as Sony is only updating gps+Glonass algorithms) as bad if not worse as before.
    – reboots during stride calibration
    – Nightly Recharge useless when sleep tracking is not working properly (I sleep from 21:30 – 05:00, V tracked my sleep from 20:00 – 03:56. How hard can it be to not track sleep when I don’t wear the watch? The ohr sensor knows when there is no skin contact- baffling)
    – Orthostatic Test still fails about 2/3 times, no point in wasting 15′ to get one proper reading, which frankly isn’t accurate anymore anyway after so much standing up and lying down
    For the time being I’m back to wearing both the V and my 935 as backup to not lose my training data should the V decide to reboot again. For the record: I have yet to lose a workout due to a reboot/freeze in my 935 in more than 1.5years!

    • Fred

      Regarding sleep accuracy.

      Polar recommends that you wear the watch at least 90 minutes before you go to bed and not putting it on just right before bed.

      Not wearing it before going to bed can confuse the sleep detection it says in the manual/support pages.

  32. flokon

    Another thing I noticed: They ditched the trim function for sleep, even though they still mention it online. You cannot adjust the time you actually slept anymore, when your Polar has it completely wrong (again).
    Also, why is there no sleep plus and nightly recharge on Flow Web?

  33. Ognjen

    Coming from the ride, two times I had this effin auto-pause bug (GPS set to Galileo) and I was riding like Tour de France pro. I want to smash this PoC watch!!!
    Polar, you had six months to test this fw and you bring up this garbage. What are we, your unpaid beta testers? I want to have this fixed otherwise I’m returning watch as well as building anti-Polar environment here.

    • Ognjen

      I did a 90km ride yesterday. My M didn’t record ANYTHING out of the GPS (set to GLONASS btw), so I don’t have no ride map in Flow, nothing, nada. I wasn’t “loosing” GPS during ride (at least I couldn’t see it, the icon was constant green).
      Polar, common how cheap can you get? Did all of the software devs leave the company?
      I’m seriously contemplating of filming myself wrecking my super-loved-pre-4fw-watch with the hammer.
      Can’t you do anything right?

  34. Damien "Golden Unicorn" M

    I’d like to give an update regarding the Vantage V. Purchased the watch last week and have used it for 1 hike, and 5 bike rides. The hike and the rides were in the mountains of New Mexico.

    GPS accuracy is laughably bad. I used 5 devices to record the activities. The Vantage, a Fenix 5+, A Wahoo Roam, a Garmin 510, and a Samsung S10+. The Wahoo is by far the best, with very little deviation from the Google Earth images, as well as the averaged hot track of 100’s of rides from people. The Fenix 5+ comes next, with an occasional off the mountain or bridge moment, but only occasionally, and it quickly gets back on track. It generally agrees well with the Wahoo, and the hot track. The 510 follows, with the S10+ coming next. In last place is the Vantage, and god does it suck. I flew through different canyons for most of my MTBing, rode in the forest, sidewalks, or through houses on my commutes, and when the lone bridge showed up, I definitely went off it. While I realize this is only 6 different activities, it’s enough for me to make my decision to return it easy.

    Which sucks…. because the oHR kicks the shit out of the Fenix’s oHR. Which is why I bought the watch in the first place, after I was literally told by Garmin that their products won’t work for me. In writing. The oHR worked well on my commutes, closely following the TCKR HR strap, throughout the easy paced rides, and when I went Grantaining, it matched well with the big upticks in my HR due to climbs, sprints, and hooliganing. Overall, I was very impressed with the oHR.

    As far as other features and feelings go, the watch is incredibly nice feeling and wearing, although the band loops are horrible. The screen looks great, and the touch is very nice to have. The use of the watch is great.

    I didn’t like the lack of ANT+, which means I’m SOL for my AXS stuff. I also didn’t like the complete lack of ability to broadcast my HR. It’s inconvenient to look at my wrist while I’m riding, which is why I also use the Roam or in the past the 510. I can add that sensor to my bike computer, and monitor my HR easily.

    Overall, I really like some things about the watch. Its great looking, light, and comfortable. Sadly, usability is definitely lacking, and GPS accuracy is laughable. Its a swing and a miss for me, and that means going back to my Fenix 5+, which is seemingly completely incapable of measuring my HR. And I don’t mean accurately, I mean at all.

    • ChrisTexan

      It likely won’t sway from the list of issues you had most likely, but if you use the H10 hr strap/monitor (and or OH1/+), those are broadcasting simultaneously on ANT+ now, so you can use them for capture by other devices. Can’t record anything in the watch from ANT+ still, which I’m assuming is the concern, but if you want to record the ANT+ to device #2, or something like Strava on a phone), it’s possible, that option is now there with the H10 and can still use the watches for the Polar BTLE signal.
      Based on the number of “reboots” mentioned in the last couple of days, may be worth it (for H10/OH1 users) to simultaneous record workouts in their cell phone or an alternate ANT+ recording device, just in case.

    • Andrew Rowden

      Just out of curiosity what tool are you using to see “as well as the averaged hot track of 100’s of rides from people”. That seems like a very interesting tool.

  35. Kareltje

    After the update GPS accuracy is terrible. I’m running all over the place except on the roads I actually took. Changed to Glonass same issue. Running, walking, in open field, woods and high density urban areas doesn’t matter, it’s all very very bad, I’ve never had it this bad with any watch.
    Really disappointed and hope they fix this soon.
    #takeshisV800outagain

    • Bob

      I have no issues with GPS accuracy on the Vantage V. Never had. But them I don’t zoom into max detail on google maps and check the path either.

      And to the person comparing the accuracy of Vantage V to the Wahoo Roam. Of course the larger GPS device with bigger antennas sitting in an optimized position on the bike is going to get better position.

  36. DP

    Quick question on polar watch (ignite/VM/VV).
    Is it possible to view the heart rate in % MaxHR instead of BPM?
    For me looking at %HR is more intuitive than looking at BPM.

    Thanks in Advance.

  37. Neil Browning

    Had some feedback via twitter ..

    • Kareltje

      I actually got an update today for my Vantage V, but it is still on firmware level 4.0.11. So a hotfix without increasing the firmware level? I’m curious what this update is about, update page of Polar doesn’t mention any updates after 4.0.11.

    • Eric

      The hotfix is supposed to address an issue with the watch crashing when using the autolap feature.

      Apparently Polar is pretending like this wasn’t a major problem and trying to sweep it under the rug.

    • Marathon Man

      Funnily enough, I had this for the first time yesterday during a run. Completely lost the session. I was trying to navigate between views when the display just went totally blank. 2 or 3 mins later it then came back to the watch screen.

  38. kosa

    Hi everybody!

    Does anyone else have problems with nightly recharge – no metrics in flow or watch. Have been wearing watch for 7 consecutive days and nada (nothing, in polar flow app it says no data recoeded under nighty recharge).

    Tried reset, did not work.
    Thank you for your feedback

    kosa

  39. KD

    I was super excited for the 4.0 update on my vantage M, so I could finally get good distance/pace data coming from my Stryd footpod with the manual calibration feature. I was very quickly disappointed. I did some experimenting setting the manual calibration factor to 0.5, 1.0, and 1.5 and did a short loop, for all three loops, my total distance for each was 0.16 miles. This would indicate that the data is still coming from the GPS rather than my footpod. I turned GPS off on my watch, and did the loops again with the three different calibration factors, distances came back at 0.08 miles (0.5 manual calibration), 0.16 miles (1.0 M.C.), and 0.24 miles, (1.5 M.C.). This is a clear indication that distance and pace is only coming from a footpod when GPS is disabled. I have asked Stryd and Polar for clarification and have yet to get a response. Anyone else test this out and get similar results? DC – this sounds like test with your name on it.

    -Disappointed Vantage M user

    • Marathon Man

      I ran 42 laps of 400m track last night with calibration factor at 1.000 and GPS off. Vantage recorded 16.79km. Very happy with that. Would be interested in the answer on the GPS because previously had been led to believe that if a footpod was detected then Vantage would take distance and pace from that.

      Now if they could stop being stubborn and add back “Last Lap” views in the to the training profile….. 🤷‍♂️

    • Steve De Doncker

      +1 for the last lap data fields

    • Pieter

      My guess is that distance is shown based on gps and pace on the pod. At least that is my experience with a milestonepod. Pace during the run mimicked the Wright and wrong calibration. But the distance was right.

    • Piotr

      Hello, KD.
      I also use the Vantage M + Stryd.
      I’ve read your post and decided to check if my finding would me identical to yours.

      First run.
      Calibration factor: 1,5
      GPS on.
      Distance: 0.46 km
      Pace:03:56 min/km
      link to flow.polar.com

      Second run.
      Calibration factor: 1
      GPS on.
      Distance: 0.31 km
      Pace: 05:39 min/km
      link to flow.polar.com

      Third run.
      Calibration factor: 0,5
      GPS on.
      Distance: 0.15 km
      Pace: 11:38 min/km
      link to flow.polar.com

      Fourth run.
      Calibration factor: 1,5
      GPS off.
      Distance: 0.41 km (really strange when compared with the distance from the first run)
      Pace: 03:43 min/km
      link to flow.polar.com

      Fifth run.
      Calibration factor: 1
      GPS off.
      Distance: 0.31 km
      Pace: 05:36 min/km
      link to flow.polar.com

      Sixth run.
      Calibration factor: 0,5
      GPS off.
      Distance: 0.15 km
      Pace: 10:44 min/km
      link to flow.polar.com

      My Vantage + Stryd combo seems to be working as intended.

    • KD

      Piotr-

      Thanks for the detailed replay and testing. I am going to disconnect and reconnect my stryd and reset my watch, redowload the update and try this again… Agreed, your data is more promising than mine, with the exception of the one outlier. I will follow up with my second round of testing.

      Thanks

    • Piotr

      Let me know, please. I’m curious how you got those results on the 25th 🙂

    • KD

      Well Piotr, I have not idea what to say, I did 4 runs with a calibration set to 1.000, 1.500, 0.500, and 1.000. All the results came in 1.03 miles 🙁 I did not due on runs with GPS disabled, but from my last test I know the manual calibration works with no GPS, so I am ruling out a defective Stryd and user error 🙂 It is definitely an issue on Polar’s end. Tomorrow I will do the identical run with GPS turned off just to confirm a second time… Here are the links to my test runs if you are curious…

      Test #1 – 1.000 MC, GPS enabled
      link to flow.polar.com

      Test #2 – 1.500 MC, GPS enabled
      link to flow.polar.com

      Test #3 – 0.500 MC, GPS enabled
      link to flow.polar.com

      Test #4 – 1.000 MC, GPS enabled
      link to flow.polar.com

    • Piotr

      Bizzare…..are you using the new Stryd?
      I own the previous version.
      Is your Stryd and Vantage firmware up to date?

    • KD

      I have the non-wind Stryd, both Vantage M and Stryd have been upgraded, are these identical specs to what you are using?

      Vantage M: Firmware 4.0.11
      Stryd: Version – 1.2.0
      Model – 13 Rev 3

    • Piotr

      Almost…

      Vantage M: Firmware 4.0.11
      Stryd: Version – 1.2.0
      Model – 12 Rev 3

    • KD

      Works like a charm when GPS is disabled (same route as done yesterday):

      Test #5 – 1.000 MC, GPS disabled
      link to flow.polar.com

      Test #6 – 1.500 MC, GPS disabled
      link to flow.polar.com

      Test #7 – 0.500 MC, GPS disabled
      link to flow.polar.com

      Test #8 – 1.000 MC, GPS disabled
      link to flow.polar.com

      So confusing, and of course Polar lacks any and all support. Going on 10 days with no answer.

    • flokon

      Polar released a Hotfix that doesn’t show up on polar.com nor increases the firmware number. My VV updated today and it only says something along the lines of minor bug fixes. Pretty sure it addresses the auto-lap/pause bug that would reboot the watch but maybe they looked into foot pods as well.
      Cannot say though, that I share the experience your Stryd/Vantage behaves. I have GPS on and played around with calibration factor on my run this morning. And as I would expect, pace instantly changed accordingly.
      What exactly do you experience? Does instant pace stay the same with GPS on? Or is it only overall distance that comes out as equal in the end, no matter the MC? The latter would make sense since that’s how it worked on Garmin as well for a long time until they introduced the option to have GPS on and get distance from Stryd in addition to instant pace as well.
      Thanks though for your testing. Since Polar didn’t include the option to turn off GPS in the watch (how hard can it be?), I know how cumbersome it is to test stuff with GPS on/off.

    • KD

      Thanks for the info. It seems like the issue may be specific to my Vantage, which seems unlikely given we all have the same firmware, but who knows. With GPS enabled, manual calibration does not change distance or pace. 1 true 10 minute mile will show a steady pace of 10 min/mile and total distance of 1 mile no matter the calibration factor. With GPS disabled, manual calibration works as intended, aka 1 true 10 minute mile would show Pace of 20 mins/mile and 0.5 total distance at a 0.500 MC or 6:40 min/mile pace and 1.5 miles total distance at a 1.500 MC.

      I will see if the new hot fix update works!

    • KD

      Updated the watch and tested, no luck:( Reset to factory default and updated again, nothing:( Looks like I will have to wait for polar customer service to respond by sloth mail… I will let you know what they say next year!

  40. Ralf

    Thanks for your previous posts regarding the Garmin sensor 2 problem (speed), Ognjen. I haven’t read about this issue anywhere else.

    I’m experiencing the same and wrote to Polar the other day. I haven’t received an answer yet. Cadence is fine under all conditions, only the speed value gets erratic after a certain threshold.

    • Ognjen

      Hi Ralf,

      yes, Speed Sensor 2 is useless with my M. It starts to drop receiving data immediately after more than 15 kph. I don’t think Polar will do anything about it. Look at all the issues there are out there, I think they have other pressing things to attend to.

    • Fred

      Polar never said that you can use Garmin speed sensors with their products. It´s not listed as compatible.

    • True, but on the flip side it follows the BLE standard. Or, it should. The question is which party is to blame for not following the standard.

    • Ognjen

      Yes, Fred, true.
      And I consider this as a pity (or ignorance) on their part, cause everything else out there supports it (i.e. my phone with RWGPS via BLE, Strava via ANT+, Suunto watch via BLE). If you look at all the supported sensors on the Polar page, it turns out nothing works with their products except Polar, and we know it’s not true (there are many heart straps stated as not supported which work). How come Cadence Sensor 2 works without any issues (officialy not suported by Polar also)?
      Why should I have to buy their sensors which are generations and feature-wise worse than Garmin’s? Same would apply to Garmin if the situation would be reversed.

  41. I am so grateful for your blog.Thanks Again

  42. Ognjen

    So, Polar issued 4.1.1 firmware for my M yesterday.
    They still didn’t announce it on their website, yet today they announced new Polar Flow mobile version which is issued three days ago.
    Polar, is this a secret version? What exactly has been fixed, added etc.?

  43. Andy

    I have been using Orthostatic Testing/Recovery Pro, not Nightly Recharge but cannot understand or accept why Polar does not allow Nightly Recharge data to be displayed also. I have been in contact with Polar and so far this seems to be their position i.e.that Nightly Recharge must be selected for Recovery Tracking to see any Nightly Recharge data. I understand that a selection needs to be made between Orthostatic Testing and Nightly Recharge to inform Recovery Tracking and this makes sense as these may conflict. I seem to recall DCRainmaker making this observation in his review(?) Polar flow app has a dedicated section for Nightly Recharge, it is odd to have this, if data is only available based on a selection? It’s not a good look at all from a customer satisfaction point of view, given these watches are all about metrics i.e here’s a metric, but not available to you!

    Aside from the above (but related perhaps with regards to Nightly Recharge reliability), the sleep scores I have been getting are not correct given the data recorded, I can only assume the data is right. Since Sleep Scoring has been made available I got scores for 3 days, then a score of 0, then 2 scores, then 3 0s, I have now had 5 scores of 0s in a row! Last night sleep consisted of 2% long interruptions, 2.9/5 continuity, 94% actual sleep, 15% REM, 21% deep sleep. With a total of 7h29mins sleep time (preferred set to 7hrs), this gave me a score of zero.

    At least my orthostatic test results have allowed me to continue training ;)!

  44. Sebastian

    I ‘m waittng for a function, that will send my HR from the watch to my bike computer (V600 and M450).

    When i’m riding bike an wear long trikots, it would be nice, to see all data on my bike computer in my front.

    In every sport profile i can allow that my HR will sent to other devices. I think, this is for ergometer in fitness studios.
    But why not for Polar products?

    Now i have to use two devices. One for the powermeter and the watch for my HR.
    In summer, it is okay, because i can look at my Vantage, but in winter with long arms, i want to see my power in front

    • Ognjen

      Sebastian,

      there were talks about Polar enabling ANT+ support in Vantages which would be fantastic.
      That would take care of your problem, and probably mine (Speed Sensor 2 not working via BLE with M).
      So, Polar, pretty please do enable ANT+, since it’s possible to do it in hw.

  45. Patrik

    No problems with my M, now have 17 sessions with 5-6 autopauses in each, works fine with both 4.0.11 and 4.1.1. Only cycling though. No crashes and no update or syncing (iOS) problems either. Just sayin’. Btw, I think sleep hours work quite well, when I use the Nightly recharge screen on the watch and press I’m awake in the morning.

    • Ognjen

      I had a ride today. Auto-pause is working strangely, I was standing in the bike shop looking to buy something, and the training was still on (I have auto-pause set to turn on speed of 5 kph or less).
      Didn’t notice issues like auto-pause not turning off like before.

  46. Frankwin

    Naar

    Engels

    I am very happy with my Vantage V. Especially after the last update. Everything works fine. It looks great, is easy to use and light in weight.
    Tips:
    Synchronize with your PC, for the latest A-GPS settings, for better GPS tracking;
    Wear your watch tightly, for better heartbeat tracking; Use the nightly recharge screen and push I’m awake in the morning;
    The nightly recharge values in the last update are fine. Now I can better interpret and value my sleep and recovery. Use it. Adjust your sleeping patterns and you will be really fit.

  47. scott auringer

    morning, so my v800 I’ve had for many years, great watch, has fogged up and is now failing electrically inside. time to replace. the watch has been great for all my training, mostly riding these days. always found it not feasible to wear the chest strap when swimming , each push off bent the strap over, cumbersome, etc. so a wrist heart rate watch i’m after. i don’t see the price difference justified for the v over the m. i don’t do any tri’s but i trained that way in the past and will again. opinions?? also are you still working with clever training?
    thanks

    • flokon

      i got the M at launch, and quickly shelled out for a V. I came from a 935, and M430, and found the the Vantage M to wear pretty badly. The V is another league in build quality, and materials used (hydrophobic glass, stainless steel), and overall design (strap connection to housing!), making it that much nicer to wear.
      The OHR in water is hit and miss, and Polar knows that. Hence their “Yeah, it works, but I wouldn’t count on it. Good luck!”-attitude towards the tech when submerged. Any strap will bend under water, even Polar’s nubby one, which usually isn’t a problem because swimmers wear a suit anyway.