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The fact the phone case is flat is great! The one complaint I have about my Quad Lock… the bike mount, I don’t know if I can get over the enormousness of the mount.
Heck, I have never taken the Quad Lock mount off my bike since the day I put it on. It is small enough where it doesn’t bother me. I would say it is more aesthetically pleasing.
I’m a former Quad Lock owner as well and the flat back of the case was definitely a design requirement.
Regarding the size, it is bigger than your typical Garmin mount. Height-wise, I wanted it to be able to clear your typical stem cap even if you had a spacer or two.
I can see what you mean now that you mention being able to clear the stem. I guess I only look at items that affect me personally.
I assume the base has to be that wide to ensure sufficient surface area to allow the magnet to hold the phone securely.
I really do like the phone case being flat and, with a magnet, I can take the phone off the mount with one hand. If the holder had a smaller footprint I think it would be a winner. Something that LOOKED like the Quad Lock bike mount but with the large plate on top for the magnet to lock on to.
Thanks for the feedback Robert. Sometimes physical dimensions can be less important than how things appear.
The plate is wide because there is no magnet in the middle–there is an array of widely spaced magnets–which is what allows the Qi wireless charging to function.
$0.78 solution to the Quad Lock mount not being quite flush:
link to fasttech.com
Stick one at each corner. Kinda surprised Quad Lock doesn’t mold in something similar (and a little more discreet) into the covers so you can use your phone one-handed while it’s sitting on a table or desk without it wobbling.
I own this bike phone mount: link to getfinn.com
I tried other before but this one works best for me.
That thing does not look to be nearly as stable.
it actually works really well. there used to be some video of a guy on a BMX doing tricks in a parking garage with the phone on the handlebars. not sure what happened to it, but i can’t find it
Found an unofficial copy, looks like the manufacturer had to stop using the video because the music license expired
link to youtu.be
I’m assuming the magnets in the case interfere with wireless charging. Wireless charging is a firm requirement for me.
The whole system was designed from the ground up to work with Qi wireless charging. I have not found a charger that it won’t work with.
Hi, I’m Marc, the founder who met Ray with the piles of prototypes at CES and I’d be happy to answer any questions you have here.
Hi Marc,
is there a plan to make a car mount with wireless charging?
This is certainly a possibility.
Quadlock just came out with this, I would consider it a high-priority item for you.
Hi Mark. I love the concept but your car clip-on system will not work with my Jeep Wrangler. The vets on the Wrangler work outstanding as vents (in fact I’ve wondered why all car manufacturers don’t use similar vents) but they can not take clip-on mounts.
It would be great, however, if I could disconnect your plate from the clip and attach it to the ball-type mount I have up on my dash. What do you think?
Thanks Mark! The car mount has an adapter for a 17 mm ball which is standard for most car mounts. If you wanted, you could remove it from the vent mount and put it on any other 17 mm ball mount.
Outstanding! Thanks
Credit cards/hotel door “keys”/parking garage tickets/anything else with a magnetic strip just don’t react well with magnets. I once had a phone case with “sleep” cover that had a magnet in it and I ruined numerous hotel key cards and a parking garage ticket just because the phone came in contact with them in my pocket.
Hi Mark, parking garage tickets and magnetic hotel keys are certainly prone to issues with stronger magnets. Credit cards wont have any problem–they are magnetized in a more permanent fashion. You can have them right up against the case and they’ll be just fine.
Personally, I have always kept my phone in one pocket and wallet in the other.
Only shipping to US or Canada as far as I can tell…
Correct, I can only offer shipping to limited countries. International shipping for small players like me is incredibly difficult and expensive. Between the costs and the customs issues, I didn’t want to offer something that I wasn’t sure I could metaphorically and literally deliver.
I pretty much don’t go anywhere without my phone and my MacBook. Normally in 1 hand. How much testing has been done with regards to the magnet and causing issues with a MacBook hard drive? Normally hard drives and magnets is a bad idea but realistically I cycle part time and work full time. I won’t use a different case based on what I’m doing. Also I’ve been using the quad lock system since 2014 without issue minus the car mount suction being a bit iffy
Hi Erin, If your MacBook has a SSD (non-spinning hard drive) you will have nothing to worry about. Those types of disks are not susceptible to magnetic interference. Every phone uses this type of storage and pretty much every laptop sold in the last few years, with the exception of some budget models, uses SSD’s.
My bike mount is the Finn. very simple, portable, doesn’t require any special mounting hardware or handle bar or anything https://getfinn.com
Good thing: back of the phone case is flat (unlike Quadlock back)
Bad thing: no wireless charging on a car unit
I prefer Rokform bike cases to Quadlock.
Hi Tom, why do you prefer the Rokform? I tested everything I could get my hands on and their cases seemed bulkier than average.
I am always concerned about these mag mounts when you factor in mechanical watches.
Do you think the magnet is strong enough to throw the hairspring of a mechanical watch out of whack?
Not sure about spring interference as I have a Vivoactive 3. From what I am aware of, certain very high end watches (Rolex) come with warnings about magnets but I havent seen anyone riding or running with one of those. Also keep in mind that magnetic fields diminish exponentially as the distance increases from the source (they drop off real quick).
Searching for a smartwatch is actually what led me to find DCR years ago so I find it funny that I’m here thinking about mechanical watches!
haha
Well, yes… I rarely see anyone with a mechanical watch while riding.
However, the phone case also has a magnet. That’s really what my main concern would be.
That magnet is much more likely to get close to a watch.
I would never use this case. My problem is with the magnets in the case. I usually carry my phone in my pants pocket along with my wallet. I don’t want to have the magnets demagnetize my credit cards. Could I use a different pocket? Sure. But I am used to this and don’t want to have to worry about putting my phone in the wrong pocket by accident. I much prefer the Scosche mount where the magnet is in the mount and the case just has a metal plate in it.
I totally understand your concerns David and your decision. SwitchLok isn’t for everyone.
Just as a ‘FYI’, you should check out this article by K&J Magnetics: link to kjmagnetics.com. They tested credit cards, hotel keys and parking lot tickets after exposing them to rare earth magnets,
Nice idea, my main concern is phone support – current release is set for August 2019 and Apple’s iPhone release cadence would suggest a new version somewhere between September and December. And who knows if the new iPhone will tweak the design so this case doesn’t fit any more?
Your bench dismount was absolutely horrible. Yes, it made the intended point, but still. This is a high profile destination site that caters to type-A’s. Gotta stick those landings.
There were 30-40mph winds at the time, check out the palm trees. Thus, my landing was f’in awesome.
Bicycles should not be allowed in any natural area. They are inanimate objects and have no rights. There is also no right to mountain bike. That was settled in federal court in 1996: link to mjvande.info . It’s dishonest of mountain bikers to say that they don’t have access to trails closed to bikes. They have EXACTLY the same access as everyone else — ON FOOT! Why isn’t that good enough for mountain bikers? They are all capable of walking….
A favorite myth of mountain bikers is that mountain biking is no more harmful to wildlife, people, and the environment than hiking, and that science supports that view. Of course, it’s not true. To settle the matter once and for all, I read all of the research they cited, and wrote a review of the research on mountain biking impacts (see link to mjvande.info ). I found that of the seven studies they cited, (1) all were written by mountain bikers, and (2) in every case, the authors misinterpreted their own data, in order to come to the conclusion that they favored. They also studiously avoided mentioning another scientific study (Wisdom et al) which did not favor mountain biking, and came to the opposite conclusions.
Mountain bikers also love to build new trails – legally or illegally. Of course, trail-building destroys wildlife habitat – not just in the trail bed, but in a wide swath to both sides of the trail! E.g. grizzlies can hear a human from one mile away, and smell us from 5 miles away. Thus, a 10-mile trail represents 100 square miles of destroyed or degraded habitat, that animals are inhibited from using. Mountain biking, trail building, and trail maintenance all increase the number of people in the park, thereby preventing the animals’ full use of their habitat. See link to mjvande.info for details.
Mountain biking accelerates erosion, creates V-shaped ruts, kills small animals and plants on and next to the trail, drives wildlife and other trail users out of the area, and, worst of all, teaches kids that the rough treatment of nature is okay (it’s NOT!). What’s good about THAT?
To see exactly what harm mountain biking does to the land, watch this 5-minute video: link to vimeo.com.
In addition to all of this, it is extremely dangerous: link to mjvande.info .
For more information: link to mjvande.info .
The common thread among those who want more recreation in our parks is total ignorance about and disinterest in the wildlife whose homes these parks are. Yes, if humans are the only beings that matter, it is simply a conflict among humans (but even then, allowing bikes on trails harms the MAJORITY of park users — hikers and equestrians — who can no longer safely and peacefully enjoy their parks).
The parks aren’t gymnasiums or racetracks or even human playgrounds. They are WILDLIFE HABITAT, which is precisely why they are attractive to humans. Activities such as mountain biking, that destroy habitat, violate the charter of the parks.
Even kayaking and rafting, which give humans access to the entirety of a water body, prevent the wildlife that live there from making full use of their habitat, and should not be allowed. Of course those who think that only humans matter won’t understand what I am talking about — an indication of the sad state of our culture and educational system.
Cool story, bro.
If ever there was a case for deleting useless posts – that has got to be it.
I want those precious minutes of my life back…
True, but the level of tinfoil is so strong it almost must stand as a monument to what’s capable when one goes to Costco and buys a lifetime supply of the material.
Pretty sure it was one of those 2-packs of the extra thick foil. I use that stuff all the time. Great for keeping meat juice off you pan AND government interference out of your head. So versatile!
Where’s the thumbs up button when I need it for your comment, Ray. Well said indeed.
As a monument its great. As a way of tricking search engines to rank their site higher with lots of links back to their site? not so much.
Is kind of fun googling:
link to reviews.mtbr.com
Thanks for demonstrating exactly what mountain bikers are like: DISHONEST TO THE CORE. All charges were dismissed 3/26/13, because they were bogus. The mountain bikers were just trying to punish me for reporting their ILLEGAL MOUNTAIN BIKING. DUH!
…and we’ll call this thread done here. I don’t see this as anything more than trolling and abuse, which I don’t permit.
[Note: For clarity of future readers – you were indeed convicted on 3 of 6 charges and served time in jail. However, related to the charges of using a hacksaw against the chest of mountain bikers, a mistrial occurred there due to an agreement on something a witness said that wasn’t agreed upon with the court.]
Ray – could you post a picture (if you have it with you) of the quad lock case next to this case? Like you, I love Quad Lock but the cases are fairly thick right in the middle which can make wireless charging tricky at times. This appears to be a thinner overall profile, but can’t quite tell.
Hi Sean, I can only speak for the SwitchLok case, but it works with every Qi wireless charger I have been able to find. I designed it from the ground up to work with Qi charging.
Here’s the first of two comparison pics. Both iPhone X, with the one to the left/back in the Quad Lock case.
And another.
Cool, thanks Ray! Much appreciated. Does look a bit thinner, which is nice. I still think their price point is borderline delusional (the Kickstarter pricing, not even the ‘full retail’. Best of luck to them.
Hi Sean, this is Marc, the creator or SwitchLok. What do you think is a reasonable price point?
Personally I feel you need to be in-line with quadlock pricing to be competitive. It’s a very similar concept, and I’m not sure that it’s worth a nearly 50% premium over quadlock (which is already on the expensive side) to switch to a magnetic release versus a twist release.
Don’t get me wrong, I think its innovative and I’m certainly interested…but not at that price.
Also, another suggestion on possible accessories besides the previous mentioned integrated charging clip. Suction Cup – for vehicles other than cars, my boat does not have a vent clip to use the car mount for. ‘Anywhere’ mount – I have quadlock posts screwed to my workbench, around the garage, etc. Just put some 3M tape on the back with a countersunk hole to put a screw through. (I’ll take a complimentary kit for these great ideas :) ). Best of luck.
Appreciate the honest feedback Sean. I’ll put your free kit in the mail right away ;>
Your Quad-Lock comparison is fair: they are the undisputed leader in the category and anyone who knows about them will make the same evaluation. For the Kickstarter, I tried to come in at or below them and deliver a product that is superior. My problem as a small, personal business (and it’s mine, not the customer’s) is that if I sell SwitchLok for too little, it will die on the vine. There will not be any money for additional production runs even if I sell every unit.
One item that I don’t think came across in Ray’s write-up is how easy it is to get SwitchLok on and off. After a couple of times, you don’t even have to look which is especially nice on the armband and in the car. You just hold it close to the mount and it aligns it and sucks it into place. This is the main advantage of SwitchLok–it’s not just some super-sized magnet mount.
Is there a possibility for a universal adapter for other phones, that uses double sided tape? I’m one of those people who has an irrational aversion to Apple and Samsung.
Hi Greg, I sympathize with your situation–it can be very hard to find cases if you don’t have an Apple or Samsung phone. I elected not to go with the ‘stick on’ adapter because of concerns that people would have a bad experience. For example, many cases are made of silicone or have silicon coatings. This feels nice in your hand but is a nightmare for adhesives because nothing sticks well to silicone.
It is possible that to develop ways to alleviate this and other problems and maybe I can make one in the future.
Just limit the cases you support? Say otterbox with their plastic backs. I don’t have an iphone so….
What happened with your right ankle on the bench dismount? I’ve never seen that sort of spring-like motion before.
This looks like an interesting alternative but I’ll be waiting till it’s off Kickstarter. I’ve been burned too many times by that platform.
Quix, Sorry to hear you’ve had bad experiences on Kickstarter. I’m sorry to say that I have backed a couple of projects that never delivered as well. Because of that, I have gone to great lengths to ensure I will be able to deliver if funded. For example, all of the pre-manufacturing planning has been completed; I have personally visited each factory and supplier to finalize product details and verify quality.
Most Kickstarter programs wont even find their suppliers until after their campaign is finished. Then they learn that product will cost twice as much to manufacture, they’re in a rush and select a poor manufacturing partner or they dont realize how expensive it is to ship out the rewards. I have accounted for all of these. Hope that helps.
Yeah.. I’ve been using the quad lock for about a year – first with the traditional bike mount, now with the pro out front mount. Absolutely love it – its also perfect for Zwift.
I like the idea of a magnetized case and mount but that seems too bulky when the goal is to reduce clutter, not add to it. (At least thats my goal).
Does this kind of magnetic holder affects the built-in magnometer (compass functionality)?
Good question Pascal. I have seen many other Kickstarter campaigns give answers that range from hopeful to totally wrong and I think it’s abhorrent to mislead people like that. The short answer is that placing your phone close to any magnet will disrupt the function of the e-compass. That’s it. GPS, Cellular, NFC payments (Apple Pay), camera–everything else works normally. If you regularly use the compass app on your phone, this case is probably not for you.
With the ability to wireless charge in the car will Apple CarPlay work? (I suspect this is more of a iOS issue) It seems the phone has to be physically connected via lightning cable which then defeats the purpose of wireless charging.
Some cars support carplay wireless, which would be the idea scenario: link to support.apple.com.
If your car requires a wired connection, the wireless charging isnt going to be adding much value.
The only thing that always “annoys” me with these kind of phone cases, is that it needs a specific size for a specific phone. Every 2-3 years you need to upgrade my phone, which has then a different size and then the mount is also not usable anymore. I use a plastic insert drybag type (+-€30) for many years now, with Samsung, iPhone 4/6/8, which isn’t perfect (plastic limits visibility, not usable with gloves), but saves a bunch. For smaller phones I add bubble plastic or foam.
Who can invent a phone holder that is independent of phone size? Sort of generic one size fits all kind of case?
This seems too bulky. I personally love the SP Connect / SP Gadgets series of cases and mounts. Especially the stem mount which sits very clean on the bike. And the running strap is very comfortable. The whole series also combines well with go-pro attachments/mounts. Not trying to advertise here, just pointing out another option for those looking to get a new case/mount system. Dropped my phone on several occassions in the case, no scratches or screen brakes so far.
I wonder how this would compare to the F3 phone mount link to f3cycling.com. I’ve used that mount and I give it about a 70% score, as it has detached from the magnet on my road bikes stem over some larger pavement bumps and doesn’t stay attached while mountain biking over anything like a drop or log.
I ordered the F3 mount from their Kickstarter campaign. They made a high quality product and it’s a cool idea. They use a metal plate with ‘bumps’ that attached to the back of your phone and four large magnets embedded in the mount, which has dimples for the bumps.
The main differences between F3 and SwitchLok are:
(1) No auto-alignment. When you drop SwitchLok on the mount, it will line itself up and engage perfectly. I found that often times, the F3 would stick to the mount without the bumps engaging in their corresponding dimples. This may be why you had failures. I found that when the F3 was engaged it was quite strong.
(2) No Qi Wireless Charging. The metal plate that you attach to your phone will block inductive charging.
(3) They only offer a bike mount.
Personal note: I don’t want to bad mouth F3, just trying to point out differences. I think they have done a great job in their niche building a brand and I have immense respect for people that create something. I’m sure they will continue to improve and wish them the best of luck. Heck, they’re farther along that I am!
Thank you!
Marc, Please consider additional accessories like a credit card sleeve that connects to the phone case when not mounted. Or perhaps a popsocket.
Hey Casey, thanks for the ideas! There are TONS of mounts that I would love to make but I am laser focused on getting this first generation right.
Boots (especially if Mike Vandeman is wearing them) should not be allowed in any natural area. They are inanimate objects and have no rights. There is also no right to wear boots. It’s dishonest of boot lovers to say that they wouldn’t have access to trails closed to boots. They have EXACTLY the same access as everyone else — BAREFOOT! Why isn’t that good enough for boot lovers? They are all capable of walking barefoot….
A favorite myth of boot lovers is that boots are no more harmful to wildlife, people, and the environment than bare feet, and that science supports that view. Of course, it’s not true. But since I hate bicycles even more than boots, I read all of the research that cyclists cite, and I found – contrary to the conclusions of the scientists who actually did the research – that bicycles have disproportionate and significant negative environmental impacts. And if I repeat that false claim over and over in every forum I can find, maybe people will actually believe that I know more about the science than the scientists.
Boot lovers also love to build new trails – legally or illegally. Of course, trail-building destroys wildlife habitat – not just in the trail bed, but in a wide swath to both sides of the trail! E.g. grizzlies can hear a human from one mile away, and smell us from 5 miles away. Thus, a 10-mile trail represents 100 square miles of destroyed or degraded habitat, that animals are inhibited from using. Boot hiking, trail building, and trail maintenance all increase the number of people in the park, thereby preventing the animals’ full use of their habitat.
Boot hiking accelerates erosion, creates post hole impacts, kills small animals and plants on and next to the trail, drives wildlife and other trail users out of the area, and, worst of all, teaches kids that the rough treatment of nature is okay (it’s NOT!). What’s good about THAT?
To see exactly what harm boot hiking does to the land, just look at the past 100 years of trail and ecological damage caused overwhelmingly by boot travelers.
In addition to all of this, boot traveling is extremely dangerous. It has resulted in countless deaths and injuries to boot travelers and to their rescuers, not to mention the devastating, dangerous wildfires started by boot travelers.
The common thread among those who want more recreation in our parks is total ignorance about and disinterest in the wildlife whose homes these parks are. Yes, if humans are the only beings that matter, it is simply a conflict among humans (but even then, allowing boots on trails harms proper park users – barefoot travelers — who can no longer safely and peacefully enjoy their parks). Activities such as boot hiking, that destroy habitat, violate the charter of the parks.
Even kayaking and rafting, which give humans access to the entirety of a water body, prevent the wildlife that live there from making full use of their habitat, and should not be allowed. Of course those who aren’t as smart as me won’t understand what I am talking about — an indication of the sad state of our culture and educational system.
Yes, I know I sound like a raving lunatic. And if you don’t like what I have to say, maybe you’d like to say hello to my little pruning saw.
link to outsideonline.com
This year I switched from a quad lock case to a case from SP Connect for cycling. The latter is thinner and lighter and fits my iPhone 11 much better. I recently bought an iPhone 12 max and want to purchase an SP case but they r not yet available. I need a case that I can see my iPhone with ease in order to be able to monitor a medical condition while cycling. Ian at SP responded promptly to my email to tell me that the case will not be available until December and sent me an open box universal mount as a stopgap until the iPhone 12 max case is available. Gr8 customer service and a gr8 solution. Could not be happier. ThanksnIan and SP
meant to say universal mount case
I’m also a big fan of SP Connect. Great products and good customer service. The arm band for running is small and comfortable, and the stem mount for on the bike is real clean. Works very well on both mtb and road bike (use my phone as navigator/bike computer).
I use it in combo with a powerbank so I can charge while riding. Just add a microrail adhesive on one side, and a universal mount on the other, and then you can stack the power bank and your phone on top of each other.
ps: this week they are also running a 30% black friday discount
adding another (future) alternative to the list:
peak design is coming out with a range of phone cases and various mounts, including bike mounts. currently running on kickstarter, they are calling the series “Mobile”
looks very sleek, and accordig to their own tests, sturdy enough for serious mountainbiking.
Yup! Early review unit arrived this past Friday, looking forward to digging into it
Nice! Looking forward to reading/seeing what you think of it and how it performs in real-life-dc-rainmaker-conditions :-)