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Garmin Lily 2 In-Depth Review

Garmin has just announced the Lily 2 smartwatch, which continues to be aimed at being a minimalist fitness and health smartwatch that contains most of the behind-the-scenes wellness tracking features of the rest of Garmin’s watches, but without as many of the fancier sports or higher-end smartwatch features. All while concurrently aiming to look more like a fashion accessory than a generic smartwatch.

The Lily 2 makes some relatively modest changes compared to the Lily 1 announced two years ago this January. To begin, they upgraded from a plastic case to a metal case, as well as ditching the proprietary band design for standard 14mm bands (much appreciated). They then added Garmin Pay (Classic Editions only), the company’s contactless payment system, while also increasing a bunch of sport modes, particularly around dance modes. Finally, they increased some of the sleep-tracking features. Oh, and the price got increased too, by about $50.

Both myself and my wife have been testing the Lily 2 over the last little while, putting it through its paces in both day-to-day life, as well as sports and workouts. This review will cover all those areas and tons more, from both our perspectives. This unit is a media loaner, and once this review is complete, will go back to Garmin. As always, I don’t accept advertising from any company I review – so, if you found this review useful, consider becoming a DCR Supporter, which gets you an ad-free site, plus the behind-the-scenes video series between both myself (and my wife) on everything that happens in the DCR Sports Tech.

What’s New & Quick Overview:

To begin, let’s just dive into what’s new on the Lily 2, as well as a short level-set on what’s actually in the Lily series, for those who aren’t familiar with this minimalist and style-focused watch. A Fenix this is not.

Starting with the newness, here are the changes from Lily 1 to Lily 2:

– Changed from plastic case to metal case
– Switched to standard 14mm band design (vs previous 14mm proprietary design)
– Adds Sleep Score and Sleep Details on watch widget
– Adds incident detection (e.g. bike crash) safety alerts
– Adds Garmin Pay to classic editions (contactless payments)
– Also added new sport profiles: HIIT, Row Indoor, Walk Indoor, Meditation
– Adds Dance Fitness Feature, with Dance Types: Afrobeat, Bhangra, Bollywood, EDM, Hip Hop, Latin, Line Dancing, Pop & Jazz, Video Game, Cardio
– Priced at  $249 for Lily 2 with a silicone band, $279 for Lily 2 Classic Nylon band, and $299 for Lily 2 Classic Leather (all of which is a $50 increase from Lily 1)

And then, for those not familiar with the Lily series, here’s all the baseline bits:

– 35mm case design (14mm band design)
– Smartwatch with 24×7 activity tracking for steps/distance/calories
– Optical HR sensor for 24×7 heart rate tracking (Garmin ELEVATE Gen 4)
– PulseOx sensor for sleeping SpO2 tracking
– Tracks respiration/breathing rate 24×7
– Tracks stress and sleep automatically
– Sports tracking including using Connected GPS (doesn’t have GPS internally)
– Sport tracking modes (full list below)
– Displays smartphone notifications, as well as details like calendar appointments and the weather
– Has live tracking, including safety and incident alerts
– Includes female health tracking for both menstrual cycles and pregnancy tracking
– Claimed battery life of up to five days (inclusive of smartphone notifications being enabled)
– Tracks your VO2Max based on workout data
– Does not include stair tracking (no barometric altimeter)
– Does not include connecting to ANT+ or Bluetooth Smart HR straps
– Does not include broadcasting of your HR via ANT+ or Bluetooth Smart to other apps/devices (such as a Peloton Bike)
– Does not include music storage/playback, but can control music on your phone

Here’s all the sports profiles that are on the Lily 2:

Walk, Run, Treadmill, Cardio, Strength, Dance Fitness, Yoga, Breathwork, Bike, HIIT, Row Indoor, Stair Stepper, Elliptical, Walk Indoor, Meditation, Pilates, Pool Swim, Other.

Here’s a quick image of all the different models/colors/etc:

Note that the editions only come with a single strap, thus the leather one doesn’t also come with a silicon strap or other strap to wear during sports/workouts.

General Usage:

This section is all about daily usage of the Lily 2, including bits like interacting with the device, health/fitness features it tracks outside of sports/workouts, and features like the new addition of Garmin Pay. Whereas in the next section, I’ll dive into all the sports modes.

To begin, the Garmin Lily 2 features a touchscreen without any dedicated side buttons. All interactions come via the touchscreen in the form of swipes, or taps, including taps on a little dot at the bottom which acts as a button. It’s like a wanna-be button. As you tap the screen, you’ll get vibration/tactile feedback confirming each time.

In general, the interface works fine for me, though my wife finds it a bit more frustrating than her Fenix device with actual buttons to press. That said, she did use the Lily 1 for more time and got used to it a bit more. One tip that I found in terms of making the user interface a bit better is increasing the display timeout from the default ‘Short’ to either Medium or Long. Else, the screen turns off really quick.

Speaking of which, by default, when your wrist isn’t raised, the screen is off. Meaning, it’s not an always-on display watch. Instead, the display only enumerates when you raise your wrist. And thankfully, the wrist raise detection seems significantly improved over the Lily 1 (or at least, the Lily 1 when I tested it upon launch). I’ve got no issues with the wrist raise detection here now in the default configuration (you can also increase sensitivity too). But that kinda matches Garmin as a whole, which has improved the gesture detection over the last few years.

Here’s what it looks like when the display is powered off, which shows one of a few different patterns (depending on which model you bought). Here’s the pattern for this specific model:

And if you reference the lineup of units from Garmin, you can see all the different background styles for each model. This isn’t changeable, because it’s the actual background of the watch, not a display. The display is instead illuminated under/through it.

Now, as with the Lily 1, the display technology here from a visibility standpoint is great. Absolutely zero issues seeing it in direct sunlight, such as this:

Nor any issues at night, like on this night run.

And of course, no issues in all other times of the day. Everything there works perfectly, and is a big step-up over some of the other technologies that Garmin has used in some older stylish watches.

With those display basics out of the way, you can select from a handful of different watch faces, which in turn have different metrics on them. And then, within that, on a given watch face you can tap on the data complications to cycle through other data metrics (e.g., heart rate, steps, calories, etc…).

From there you can swipe left/right through the different widgets. Garmin doesn’t support Connect IQ widgets on the Lily 2, but does have a large number of other widgets you can enable/disable. These include heart rate pages, calendars, weather, hydration, female health tracking, Garmin’s Body Battery, steps, and more.

You can then tap-open the widget page to get more details about any given one, such as this one showing your sleep metrics – which is new on the Lily 2. Previously you couldn’t see your sleep data on-watch. Now you can not only see the sleep data, but also see your Sleep Score.

You can tap that open to get other data like sleep stages/phases/etc…

From a sleep accuracy standpoint, we (mainly my wife wearing it) found that the sleep times were usually correct, but not always. For example, Saturday night it showed going to sleep at 22:53 (10:53PM), when in reality, that was close to 4AM, due to a movie marathon that got out of control. Albeit, the wake-up time of 10:43AM was correct. Win some, lose some. But otherwise for other days it was perfectly fine.

From a sleep stages/phases standpoint, as I always say, I don’t see a ton of value in that data. Namely because most companies aren’t super accurate in it, and even so-called gold standard tests are somewhat iffy. Given Lily doesn’t have more advanced training status like Training Readiness or such, the impact of that is somewhat minimal here. It will leverage it for features like Sleep Score of course, but the sleep scores have roughly been aligned to how she felt each morning.

Respiration rate is tracked nightly, as well as SpO2, if you enable it. Note that enabling SpO2 (which Garmin calls PulseOx) will significantly impact the battery, thus I don’t tend to ever enable that unless you really really really have something specific you want from that data (and even then, it’ll probably be wrong anyway).

All of this data is also available on Garmin Connect Mobile (the smartphone app), as well as Garmin Connect desktop (web app) too. For example, here’s the sleep data shown on Garmin Connect Mobile:

And here’s the steps data shown, alongside the 24×7 heart rate data:

In addition, Garmin has their Body Battery feature, which aims to figure out how much energy you have throughout the day. Think of it either as the name implies, your body’s battery, or kinda like an old Street Fighter arcade game, where you power back up again through things like sitting on the couch or sleeping. Poor sleep won’t get you as highly recharged as a good night’s sleep. And inversely, high stress throughout the day will impact you more highly. You can see this on the watch, or also on Garmin Connect later, including all the contributing factors highlighted:

Speaking of sleeping one last time, the Lily 2 has a sleep mode so that when you go to sleep the watch face isn’t automatically turning on and illuminating. You can tweak which hours it automatically enables for within the settings. In order to access the time during the middle of the night, you’ll need to tap the little fake button at the bottom, else simply raising your wrist won’t do anything. It’s a nice touch, and matches what they do on all their other recent watches.

Next, is Garmin’s female health tracking, which allows you to track when your period starts and ends, as well as both physical (like discharge or bloating) and emotional symptoms (for example, moods). Some of these data points are trackable/loggable from the watch on the tracking widget, while others require entry via the phone app. Related, there’s also pregnancy tracking too. All the data is consolidated there however. As the data logged gets more detailed, you’ll get period and fertility reminders and predictions. My wife uses this feature, and finds it can pretty accurately predict her cycles within a day, despite having an irregular cycle. Note that the Garmin Lily 2 doesn’t have wrist temperature tracking, and even if it did, Garmin isn’t leveraging it today in women’s health tracking (they only recently added general wrist temp tracking to their higher-end watches).

In any case, on the Lily 2, here’s what it looks like on the watch widget:

Plus a boatload more data options for logging within the Garmin Connect Mobile app:

Next, there’s the new Garmin Pay option (Classic Editions only). Well, new to the Lily 2 anyway, it’s been around for years on other Garmin watches. You can load up your compatible credit cards to Garmin Pay, but you’ll want to check the list of supported banks first. It’s got pretty good coverage in the US, but outside of that is hit or miss. It supports our US credit cards just fine, but doesn’t support our specific Dutch bank (but has virtually all the other ones in the Netherlands).

Finally, let’s take a quick look at the band. Garmin went away from the previous proprietary design, to a more standard one here, which is much appreciated. This allows you to swap any 14mm watch band that you want onto the watch:

Meanwhile, in that same region you’ll find the charging port. It retains the same clip-style charging port as the previous Lily, though Garmin did swap out the charging end for USB-C (versus the previous USB-A):

Garmin maintains the same 5-day battery life, but of course that’ll vary based on what settings you used. Thus far, despite all the workouts and slightly higher (medium) gesture timeout, it seems on-track for about 4 days, which is fair enough given the higher battery demand.

Sports Usage:

If you’re looking for a powerhouse sports watch, the Lily 2 definitely isn’t it. But, if you’re looking at something with more sports functionality than most activity tracker bands, you’re probably in luck. The Lily series essentially tries to find that middle ground between the basic sports features of an activity tracker, and some ‘good enough’ features of a sports watch.

Point being, if you’re planning on training for a running race (or primarily for sports), you’re far better off buying one of Garmin’s Forerunner watches (like the Forerunner 45 or Forerunner 55) for the money, or even a Forerunner 255, which depending on sales floats in the same ballpark as the higher-end Lily 2 units.

But of course, the goal of the Lily 2 isn’t just sports value, it’s designed to be more fashionable than those Forerunner units. So again, compromises are apparently to be made.

With that background, the Lily 2 has two methods to track workouts:

A) Automatic tracking: The base of this is called Move IQ, and will automatically log activities like walking or running after they exceed a time threshold you’ve set in the app. So, for example, a 10-minute walk will trigger an entry in your Garmin Connect activity calendar. These activities though don’t have much detail, you won’t get pace charts or HR charts for example (or GPS maps). They also won’t upload to sites like Strava or MapMyFitness.

B) Manually started workouts: These are workouts where you’ve manually hit the start button after selecting a sport. For these, you’ll get full activity data including heart rate, GPS tracking with a phone, and a complete workout file that uploads to 3rd party sites.

For the first one, automatic tracking, you can configure the thresholds for the two activities it supports – walk and run – using Garmin Connect Mobile. Interestingly, it doesn’t support detection for activities like cycling, as higher-end Garmin watches do.

If you look at your calendar afterwards, you’ll see these activities as grey, and you can tap on them to get some very minor details. Fear not though, they will count towards your steps for the day.

However, for ‘real’ sports tracking, you’ll want to tap that little button at the bottom, and then select ‘Activities’. This is where you can select from a growing list of sports, and even do some light customization of those sports:

To customize this list, you’ll crack open the Garmin Connect Mobile app, and then you can choose which activities to be included. This list has been increased from the Lily 2 slightly:

If you choose a given sport profile, you can customize a handful of things. Starting with data pages, you can have two custom data pages, plus some toggled on/off data pages like a heart rate gauge, music screen (your phone’s music), and clock:

And depending on which sport you’ve selected, you can also configure alerts for time, calories, distance, and heart rate. Note that distance obviously wouldn’t show for a sport like Yoga.

In any event, after tapping the ‘Activities’ option on the watch, you’ll then choose which sport mode you want:

By default, if you were to select the ‘Run’ profile, it’s going to chat with your phone and start to leverage your phone’s GPS. You’ll see a notice on the watch while it does this, but usually it only takes a second or two. This whole process seems much improved over the Lily 1 when I tested that, where it didn’t work half the time. Every single time I went to track, it found it. I even did it for fun at random times when I wasn’t planning on doing a workout, just to see if it’d connect properly.

Once connected you’ll see a little ‘GPS’ indicated on the screen:

You’ll also see settings, where you can set up a basic interval counter too, as well as alerts if you didn’t do it earlier:

Once ready, tap to start, then you’ll see your configured data pages/fields on the screen. You can iterate through the different data pages you’ve set up. As noted, I had no problems seeing the data either in sunny or dark conditions.

I also didn’t have any issues this time with my coat accidentally triggering the touchscreen, like I did on the Lily 1. Previously, on that watch, my coat (because it’s winter) would constantly trip/tap the screen, causing the timer to pause mid-workout, which was super frustrating. That didn’t happen for either me or my wife on her runs – so that’s great.

The Lily 2 does support Garmin’s Live Tracking feature, which means that you can set up automatic tracking links of your workouts to be sent to friends/family. So the second you start a workout, if your phone is in range, it’ll send them a link so they can follow along. Both my wife and I have this setup for all our workouts, and it works great – and is an easy way to ensure we both know where we are in case something happens.

In a similar vein, the watch also will automatically trigger incident detection notices to friends/family if you fall while in a workout. Once you do fall, you’ll have about 10 seconds to cancel the notification if there’s no reason to notify your roommate or partner that you just face-planted into a puddle.

In any case, all that aside, once your workout is complete you’ll get a quick confirmation page showing some summary details of the workout:

However, the bulk of the data is up on Garmin Connect, and can be accessed via the smartphone app, or the website. For example, here’s a run I did last night, where I had the phone connected for GPS, showing the GPS track:

And then, if you’ve got Strava or other platforms connected up, your workouts will end up there as well within a few seconds of it being sent to your phone.

In addition, you’ll get updates to your VO2Max shown on the watch (and in the app), that you can monitor over time:

One feature I don’t possess the required capabilities to test is the new Dance Fitness feature, which is a first on any Garmin device. This feature lets you track different types of dance as an activity profile. First, you’ll select the sport profile:

Then you’ll select the specific dance style that you’re going to attempt:

In addition, you can toggle whether or not to ‘Mark songs’ within the dance, which basically just sets a marker in the file which shows up in Garmin Connect saying ‘Song 1’ at X timestamp (e.g., Song 1 at 2:35) and the average HR for that section:

However, it doesn’t pull from any of the song data that Garmin has on the Music Control widget. So even when I was playing the best Miley Cyrus I had, it still just wrote “Song 1”, instead of Wrecking Ball. Shame.

Maybe I’m just a bit Jaded, but when I Used To Be Young, Garmin Connect actually showed the song titles for a workout within the activity, now I’m basically just On My Own to figure it out and Do My Thang. Hopefully they’ll Get It Right down the River.

Heart Rate & GPS Accuracy:

This section will mostly focus on heart rate accuracy, but I’ll briefly include GPS accuracy. You see, the Lily 2 doesn’t have GPS inside of it, instead it leverages your phone’s GPS for that. Thus, the accuracy here is mostly that of your phone. However, I always include a quick check of GPS accuracy in ‘Connected GPS’ devices, because there’s also a big factor of how well Garmin/Fitbit/etc handle that connectivity. I’ve seen countless cases where the GPS plots will be horrific (when we know that the iPhone’s GPS is more than good enough for this).

For all these charts I’m comparing multiple devices worn on the same workout, specifically looking at more than just averages, but the ups and downs of heart rate accuracy throughout a workout. All devices are worn fully separated, so no two devices are on the same wrist at the same time (which can cause accuracy issues). Some devices are chest straps or upper arm bands.

To begin, we’ll take a quick look at the ‘Connected GPS’ accuracy on a run last night. This was a simple 5KM run, but it did go through some tunnels/overpasses, as well as past some massive business district buildings. I had to ‘rescue’ one of our commuter bikes that had broken down across town a few days prior and was locked up in a rack. The Lily 2 was connected to an iPhone 13 Pro for GPS (roughly 2-year old phone).

Here’s that compared to a Garmin Tactix 7 AMOLED watch and a Garmin Forerunner 965 watch (data set here):

As you can see above, there’s no obvious issues at a high level.However, once you zoom in a bit more, you can see a bit of wobble. In this case, my phone was in my running shorts pocket, which isn’t ideal placement. Certainly an arm band phone case would solve for that, but almost nobody likes wearing those.

So, let’s switch over to some heart rate data then. First up, we’ve got an indoor treadmill workout. This one my wife did, compared to the also-new Garmin HRM-FIT chest strap, Polar Verity Sense (armband), as well as her Fenix 7S Pro. As you can see, it was very close here, with only a minor wobble about 3 minutes in briefly.

Next, another indoor workout, this one an indoor Peloton workout I did, including some rather painful intervals in it. This too, was mostly good compared to the Garmin HRM-PRO Plus chest strap, the Tactix 7 AMOLED, and the Apple Watch Ultra 2:

However, you can see a couple of blips once I got past the warm-up, once at around the 10-minute marker, and again around the 23-minute marker. I’m not clear why for either.

Next, we’ll start sliding things outdoors. First up is that night run I mentioned earlier. Here’s a look at that data compared to the chest strap (HRM-PRO Plus), and Garmin Tacitx 7 AMOLED:

Ironically, the Lily 2 did better than the $1,400 Garmin Tactix 7 AMOLED watch, however, the reasons make sense. The default strap on the Tacitx 7 AMOLED isn’t great for optical HR sensor accuracy, as it’s a bit stiffer, and thus is more prone to having a looser fit (I can’t get it as tight as I’d like to). Thus, it jostles around a bit, and given the cold temps this night, struggled some. The Lily 2 was perfectly fine though (and it’s actually the HRM-PRO Plus at the beginning there that was wrong, I added more moisture at the 2-minute marker, and it snapped into place).

Next, we’ve got one of my wife’s outdoor runs, this one actually started off well for the Garmin Lily 2, whereas the HRM-FIT chest strap had some struggles with the cold dry air. She also had the Polar Verity Sense (arm band), and her Fenix 7S Pro with her:

A great example of where sometimes optical HR sensors can do better than chest straps, even with moisture as she had applied beforehand. Now, later in the short high-intensity intervals you see that it did have a few wobbles in there, missing the 2nd interval entirely, and half of the 3rd. Though it did good-enough on #1/4/5, as well as the rest of the run.

In any case, overall the Lily 2 saw reasonably good optical HR performance across a variety of scenarios, but did struggle occasionally in very high-intensity situations in colder temps, as well as briefly in one indoor workout.

(Note: All of the charts in these accuracy portions were created using the DCR Analyzer tool. It allows you to compare power meters/trainers, heart rate, cadence, speed/pace, GPS tracks, and plenty more. You can use it as well for your own gadget comparisons, more details here.)

Wrap-Up:

The Garmin Lily 2 takes seemingly all of the criticisms I had about the Lily 1 and fixes it, which…well…is kinda nice. Gone is the proprietary band, gone are the issues I had with gesture wake, and gone are the constant auto-pauses with my coat during workouts. Inversely, in comes more new features including a number of sports profiles, Garmin Pay, and proper enumeration of sleep data on the watch itself.

I’m sure some of these probably could have been rolled out to Lily 1 owners via software updates, but, as is often the case with Garmin, we don’t see major updates to their lifestyle watches. It’s just one of those things you’ve got to come to accept. Garmin did have many software updates for the Lily 1 over the last two years, but most were focused on optimizations rather than new features.

Still, this seems like a very solid option for folks who don’t want the looks (or perhaps software bloat) of some of Garmin’s more premium smartwatches, and instead just want something that quietly tracks all the metrics behind the scenes, without all the fuss. In other words, it’s a perfectly nice iteration on the Lily 1. About the only thing I wish Garmin had incorporated is their newer ELEVATE V5 optical heart rate sensor, mainly because that would have added wrist temperature tracking, which in turn I strongly suspect Garmin will start leveraging for period prediction (like a number of their competitors). That would have future-proofed this watch a bit more.

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32 Comments

  1. Teddy

    Disappointed that there have been no LTE watched for the past few years of releases. Any rumblings of that changing this year? I noticed the 945 LTE has been out of stock in the US for some time now.

    • I’m not sure about rumblings, but I think it’s inevitable we’ll get something sometime. Cellular connectivity as a concept is here to stay, either Garmin gets onboard, or eventually Garmin goes out of business due to lack of it (years down the road).

      Point is, it’s a very long-tail type scenario. Garmin’s made a few different attempts over the past few years with it, each time retreating for 2-3 years before trying again. And each time they try, they tend to get closer to the final vision (within the restrictions placed upon them via phone makers). Here’s to hoping 3rd time’s the chart and they can stick the landing.

    • When they released the kids watches with LTE, I was finally able to get a subscription for my 945 LTE in the UK. I can’t see myself going back to watch without LTE. Love the always on sports tracking capability with a phone, especially useful when competing in Triathlon. While it’s nowhere near as capable as an Apple Watch with LTE, for the sports tracking use case it works very well.

      The lovely new OLED screen watches are very tempting but until they get LTE, I’ll be clinging on my 945 LTE.

    • Teddy

      Exactly the same (I really do like that oled!). When I ran my last marathon it was so nice to get encouraging messages from friends around the country who couldn’t be there, and I’m so used to my partner knowing where I am in case things go south during a workout.

      Thanks for the reply Ray!

  2. Chris H

    Re Garmin pay – you just need to get a curve card and it then connects to Garmin pay but charges directly onto whatever card you like

    • Yeah, that’s true. In the meantime I’m just hoping that by pestering enough, I can eventually get them to get ING onboard in the Netherlands.

      That said, it’s not a huge deal for me as I can just use my US Visa cards which are supported on Garmin Pay (albeit, not at all places here).

    • Neil Jones

      I got a Curve card and managed to link it to Garmin Pay one, but since changing watches it’s always refused to add it and told me I need to contact Curve, who say there’s nothing wrong on their side.

    • King Bradley

      At the time, I simply looked to see which bank/credit card could use Apple Pay AND Garmin Pay.
      The winner was: Revolut.
      I simply opened a second account with Revolut and have been using it as a spending account ever since.

  3. Benedikt

    Three things:
    „and half of the 34rd“ I don’t see 34 Intervalls 😉
    When we where young I complained on the Garmin forums because my watch stopped tracking the songs in the activity. Garmin answered and said it was because „their partner“ demanded it. Spotify don’t want us to remember the track that hyped us for our PR.

    I really wish the world release a whoop competitor to wear on the other wrist when wearing a serious watch.

    The Bank of Norway card is supported and should just work fine on the Netherlands, we (Germany) share the same problems like you for supported banks. But German banks tried to separate us from credit cards for decades, so I am not surprised.

    • My wife would have killed me if I asked for 34 intervals. Then again, payback for those 18×800’s she put me through a month or so ago.

      Yeah, it wasn’t clear to me if Spotify caused the yank, or privacy concerns. To be fair, there was literally no warning back then that it was recording your track information to the .FIT file, which in turn got passed onto other providers.

      That said, this does seem like a lost opportunity here for better integration.

  4. Hi Ray, small thing: In the video at 12:15, for HR accuracy you show the data that was done for the HRM Fit, not the Lily2. I’m not sure, what you can do about that, just wanted to let you know.

    • Doh. Not much I can do on the YouTube video, just grabbed the wrong screenshot from earlier in the day versus the updated one with the included set. I’ll include a note to see the correct screenshot here in the written review. The net resultant is basically the same though – all the sensors tracked pretty darn closely together on that one.

    • Yeah, thought so, just the graph looked familiar, so I checked. Not sure if many people would recognize this, and doesn’t really matter, just wanted to let you know. Thanks for the detailed review. Do you see any chance they will add the “nap function” later? That is something that feels odd to be missing.(Not that it affects me, I’m rooting for that to appear in I2X.) Thanks again, I presume that January will be pretty hectic, wish you the best!

  5. Juro

    Have Garmin fixed the issue (present on Vivomove Style/Luxe) that when using Connected GPS for running, the total activity distance is 10-15% different when compared to GPS track distance (verified by downloading and re-uploading the track)?

    Presumably, activity totals are based on accelerometer data, not GPS data.

    • If I look at what’s in the .FIT file from Lily 2 via Connected GPS (in the DCR Analyzer), and compare that to what shows in Garmin Connect, the two do actually match here. The Analyzer shows 5.82km for the evening run, and the Garmin Connect Mobile app screenshot above shows 3.62mi (which is 5.82km).

      Whether or not that’s broken for other devices, I’m not sure, but here it seems correct.

  6. Niklas

    Hi Ray! Do you think that the dance fitness will come to Fenix 7?

    • I would expect so at some point. The latest Fenix 7 beta just dropped today (first one in this quarterly update sweep), and it doesn’t have it on there. But that makes complete sense, knowing how Garmin works. They wouldn’t have put it on the initial one with as tight of timelines, in case the Fenix team was ready a week ago, it would have blown the cover of the Lily team.

      My guess is we’ll see it later in this cycle, or the next cycle.

  7. RobertB

    Ray good review as always, how was the wine and fizz?

  8. usr

    Exclusion of pay on some color variants is just weird. Delighted to see that Garmin can be relied upon to surprise with completely unexpected decisions. Are there markets where devices with pay cannot be exported to, due to some regulatory oddity?

    • Yeah, Garmin continues to heavily tie Garmin Pay to various SKU levels. I suppose they must think it works (and probably have the data to indicate it drives upsells).

      But in this day and age, with cheap Fitbit models having that feature, I don’t really understand why on a Garmin $250 watch it doesn’t have it.

      As for export oddities, no, nothing I’m aware of. After all, virtually all their $300+ watches have it that are sold elsewhere/everywhere (Forerunner/Fenix/etc…)

  9. BJWilliams

    The only weird thing to me is not having GPS built in and leveraging your phone. They may know the ideal target of this watch isn’t planning on going for a long run with it, but confusing decision nonetheless.

  10. Ginny

    Thanks for the review Ray. This addresses the main reservations I had with the original Lily watch (wish it would broadcast heart rate, but oh well).

    Can workouts from Garmin Connect be accessed from this watch? Like if my training plan has a short run can I will the workout from my calendar just show up or would I need to keep my bigger watch in my gym bag? Same for swims, etc? I assume it doesn’t generate workout suggestions like the Forerunner or Fenix series (but hope it does).

    • Thanks.

      No structured workouts on this watch, just the super-basic interval repeat thingy shown above. Nor training plan either. And correct, no automatic workout suggestions/etc either.

      The workout aspects of this is really just being able to record something with HR (and pace/distance/etc if phone is connected outdoors), rather that much in the way of metrics or structure.

  11. Gregory S

    Do people buy these watches? I have never seen someone wearing one, ever. Too many models to maintain…they need to shrink down to a handful, up their software game and get on the lte bandwagon. The Google and Apple Watch releases every year will eat their lunch.

    • Generally speaking, Garmin is quite conservative when it comes to fiscal matters and products ‘earning their keep’. So if nobody was buying the Lily 1, they wouldn’t have made a Lily 2.

      I saw one once in the US, but these models don’t seem to be as popular in Europe (or at least, the Netherlands). So that probably skews my reality.

  12. Sarah

    Does the 2 give you an overnight HRV number like some of the other models (Fenix, etc). I was disappointed when I discovered the Lily 1 does not, even though it can track your HRV.

  13. Juanita

    Als ik het goed begrijp werkt de connected GPS zo dat je eerst je horloge aanzet en daarna op je telefoon de app aanzet. Vervolgens zet je de sportactiviteit op je horloge, hardlopen, aan. Als dit zo is, werkt dit in de praktijk dan niet heel storend? Ik lijk altijd haast te hebben met sporten (om naar de arletiek te gaan), dus als de telefoonhandeling niet hoeft omdat Garmin connect dit gewoon automatisch herkent, zou dit handiger zijn. Hoe heb je dit in de praktijk ervaren?

    • Generally speaking, the Garmin Connect app just lives in the background app of your phone, so most people never ‘disable’ it, it’s always syncing your data. Thus, it’s just a matter of it connecting (which takes a few seconds).

      I think again though if you’re really into having a sports-focused watch, this probably isn’t the best option from Garmin. Whereas if you want something that’s mostly health/activity tracking metrics, while still being more stylish (however one defines that) with a tiny bit of sports, this is the target market.

  14. H

    Hi there, is the responsiveness of the watch improved in the lily 2? Debating between the venu2s and this one for work. I do not need the advanced workout features of the venu2s for this purpose. Thanks for the good reviews