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Good deal for edge 830 @ 299€ here : link to lepape.com
Saris H3 @€682: link to bike24.de
Nice discount on Assioma Favero uno/duo at bike24.
Just checked and the Duo is €725 and not in stock. Whereas mantel.com (in the Netherlands) has them for €649 with “10+ available”
Not a single Wahoo home trainer available in Europe at any price. Does any one know if this is genuine ‘unprecedented demand’, or is it more like AMD/Nvidia/PS5 and all the tech launches recently where ‘unprecedented demand’ meant that retailers only got 3 and it’s in fact a supply problem. Seems like a massive own goal to be out of stock of everything in a lock-down. Is there no flexibility in the production speed that they could just make some more?
From looking over the last few weeks I don’t see any evidence that they are coming into stock regularly and they are just being snapped up before I can react. They just seem to be permanently unavailable on Wahoo’s website and all retailers.
Not too worried because I have an original Kickr that is bulletproof though not quiet like the new ones (and global pandemic etc etc), but I am curious where all the Kickrs are.
Definitely genuine. Most of the companies are 3x in demand over last year right now, and even supply is in many cases 2x over last year. Zwift’s CEO last night on a ride note that their membership is more than 2x what it was a year ago.
Having talked to every trainer company out there, they all wish they could make more faster, but it’s simply not possible. Factories are booked up and getting additional factory time is near impossible right now, with some being quoted a year out for adding lines/factory times. It’s nuts.
Thanks – yes crazy times. Where is the new stock going though? I doubt they are all being bought by bots in a microsecond like graphics cards. Apart from a ‘back in stock’ notification from Wiggle yesterday for the Kickr Core that was out of stock again by the time I saw the mail, I just don’t see any stock appearing on any site including Wahoo Europe in the last month or so. Is it back ordered through bike shops and new deliveries just fulfil existing orders? Am I just missing midnight stock availability and people pressing F5 all night?
I guess it could also be shipping times from Vietnam or wherever because heavy trainers are probably in shipping containers rather than aeroplanes. I guess they are sent in batches rather than containers leaving every day.
Like I said, I’ll just wait until it get backs to normal and by that time we may see some of the improvements/accessories for the smart bikes anyway.
Anyway sorry for the distraction on the Black Friday sale page! My wallet will have to stay closed for another day.
Almost all fulfilling backorders. So the way it works (normally). is that most retailers place orders ahead of time for allotments of trainers, and then they hope they can sell them. So historically, someone like Wiggle will say in August – ‘Hey Wahoo, I want 5,000 KICKR’s, with delivery dates of Oct/Nov/Dec’., and then goes about happening, and Wiggle hopes they can sell those.
These days though, that still occurs, but the difference is that retailers have already sold out that inventory, or aren’t even offering consumers the ability to backorder. So in many cases, by time you get a stock notification, it’s likely because all backorders were filled, or, perhaps someone cancelled an order, opening a slot.
The pandemic meant that most trainers were out of stock back in March, and since most trainer companies tend to more seasonal in nature, they didn’t have the extra manufacturing capacity planned to delivery tens of thousands of units per month back in April/May/June/July. Instead, normally companies ramp up new models in July/Aug/Sept for the usual Sept/Oct/Nov/Dec buying season. All companies build year-round, but they usually stockpile from April to Sept. None of that stockpiling happened this year.
Indeed, all trainers these days go via chipping containers. On average, most trainer companies can fit 600 trainers per container.
Things started to catch-up around July this year, briefly, until August. And then as lockdowns started creeping back up again, it’s all over.
Thanks for taking the time Ray. This is really helpful for me but I imagine also for others who are frustrated by the stock issues!
Surprised Wahoo and others haven’t really communicated about this. I guess it’s niche compared with the Nvidia/AMD launches and there was no Reddit backlash that needed to be quelled. Maybe cyclists are are more patient bunch.
Will soldier on with my non-silent Kickr V1!
Happy belated thanksgiving to you and family.
You say : Not a single Wahoo home trainer available in Europe at any price.
Yes they are in the UK
link to uk.wahoofitness.com
link to uk.wahoofitness.com
Plus free sufferfest for year
Hope that helps
This at 20:10 London time 2020-11-27
Apple Watch 3 on Amazon is $120 but you can purchase only one.
Incredible deal, good find!
Managed to get a 4iiii r7000 left hand power meter from Mantel for £204.99. Great service as well. Ordered last Friday evening and delivered (UK) on the Monday morning. The 172.5mm is still in stock.
I’ve been periodically looking at this the entire week (and the Ultegra version, when it was in stock) and almost ready to click buy but keep backing out.
Edge 1030 is for 359.99 in bike-discount ;)
Thoughts on a FR 645 music on sale for $219 vs theFR 245 for running, occasional bike rides and hiking?
In general, I’d go with the FR245 in almost every case, especially for running. While it lacks a baro altimeter that might be useful for hiking (your activities will get elevation corrected after the fact).
However the FR645 lacks PacePro and the new Running Track mode, which I think are well worth it.
Thank you! I appreciate all you put into this site
Ray,
the Garmin Edge Explore is even a few bucks less at R2 Bikes. Ordered it from there on Wednesday for my dad as a christmas present, received it one day later. He won’t need all the sporty stuff of an 530 or 830… just routing, mostly.
link to r2-bike.com
Hey DCR,
Just about to buy a Fenix 6 Pro from Wiggle or Amazon (using your link), but I’m torn between the 6 and the 6s.
I’ve got a 935 atm, and I really like the size.
I’ve been over old reviews, but can’t see a rolling pin pic anywhere.
Do you have one, or a link to similar?
Cheers
Eeks, I don’t think I have a FR935 to Fenix 6 size. At least not directly.
However, I’ll be back at the office in a few hours and can take some pics then. Deal?
Sounds good to me!
945 is the same size as the 935? I have pretty small wrists, so fancy a Fenix, but wondering if the 6S is the best shout?
Ok, here ya go – two photos of the Fenix 6S Pro, FR945, FR935, and Fenix 6 Pro (left to right.
First is the top-down. Sorry, I was rushing back out the door and didn’t have time to get them charged enough to stay on.
And then second set from the side.
Appreciate the response! It was OOS when I went to buy it from Wiggle in the end.
As you didn’t get the referral, I signed up as a supporter!
Thanks for the help, and keep up the great work!
The Garmin edge 530 cost 249,99€ in almost all decathlon sites and if you buy them today you should get back 30€, so in the end it cost 220€ not bad
The link to the Garmin Vivoactive 3 Music shows a Vivoactive without music….
The stages deals are on Clevers website today. Not sure if anyone is aware of this deal.
link to clevertraining.com
Prices at Amazon indeed fluctuate. Bought an Edge 520 Plus yesterday at € 154, now it’s € 188.
Be aware that the prices on amazon.de show with the current reduced VAT / Sales tax which only applies in Germany, when you put in your shipping address the price may change if you are outside Germany. The Fenix 6X is €510 delivered in Germany, €530 delivered in NL…
if someone is interested in Garmin fēnix® 6 Sapphire Titanium => 551,72 €
link to bike-discount.de
@ray is €460 for the regular edge 1030 bundel a good deal? I’m doubting between this one with the cadans meter and stuff and a simple edge touring. I’ve got a fenix watch and recently got myself a mountaibike and I really love to go out with it
link to bol.com
( It’s a dutch website)
Maybe check the price here…
link to bike-discount.de
Look at Amazon Germany. I just bought a Polar Vantage V at 275€, the M is at 152€ and Fenix 6 at 404€.
In the US, Costco has the same deal on the Apple AirPods Pro $169. Best Wishes!
945 has been floating the high 400s, low 500s for weeks now. lowest I’ve seen is $494 3rd party new
Odd, for new or renewed? I haven’t seen it new below that $494 threshold at all (and CamelCamelCamel seems to confirm it).
The exception being being last Black Friday when it dipped to $452
3rd party new. looks like the sub-500 oscillations started Oct 14. Interesting amazon pricing algorithms. Thanks for all your work on the deals. I was back and forth between the 945 and fenix 6 Pro. I went with the fenix bc of the power management features.
I rec’d this email from the Philly Marathon Weekend on 11/20 but have not see this pricing on the 945:
Wherever and however you run, Garmin has a Forerunner® GPS running watch that’s perfect for you. And from Nov. 22 – Jan. 9, save $50 on select models, including the lightweight, fuss-free Forerunner® 45 and the Forerunner® 245, which offer more ways to help you measure performance.
If you’re the kind of runner who goes the extra mile, save big on Forerunner® 945. From Nov. 22 – Jan. 9, save $200 on this premium watch with detailed stats, on-device storage and mapping, plus a full suite of smart features. Find your Forerunner® now.
Withings / Zwift integration has been broken for a long time (it’s been a known issue). AFAIK, Zwift still has not allocated resources to fix the problem.
The Garmin 935 dropped to $269 on Amazon. Friday 9-27 at 3pm
That’s one heck of a deal
Just wanted to say that UK wahoo site has stock of trainers.
Just trying to help out before Black Friday finishes.
UK wahoo also says :
FREE ANNUAL
SUF SUBSCRIPTION
BLACK FRIDAY WEEKEND ONLY!
Purchase a Wahoo Smart Trainer or KICKR BIKE and get an annual subscription to the Wahoo SUF Training app for free!
link to uk.wahoofitness.com
link to uk.wahoofitness.com
Shame I bought mine last week :(
link to cycliq.com
I m only one cick away from buying a fenix6x pro on amazon.it..my doubt is about the new 955 that is rumored to be out on Q1 2021. Considering that my next race will be in spring 2021 i really don’t know if it s a good moment to purchase it.
I know that there is always a new model coming…but 955 could be really close now
Fenix 6 have never been FR9x5 competitors in my personal choice. I’m multisport athlete and lucky to be able to test FR945 and F6, F6x. I’m super happy with 945, size and weight if used as every day watch is spot on for me. I’m not currently missing any possible feature the next 955 might bring to the market so I would buy them again today for sure.
DC,
Don’t know if you have seen this deal but over at pacers running, they are honoring the $150 off Garmin AND a special discount from Letsrun.com for an additional 20% off (code: letsrun20) Just picked up a Fenix 6X pro solar for almost $350 off MSRP. Regular $999, paid $679.
link to pacers.fittedrunning.com
Forgot to mention the letsrun20 goes for anything that pacers sells. Including all garmin watches. Pretty awesome!
Whelp. Looks like they fixed it between when you got it and now. I can’t get it to work. Great find though. Hope they already shipped it!
garmin edge 530 is $250 at a number of sites
link to bhphotovideo.com
Good find! Added on in!
Garmin 745 @ 399€ at bike24. Is that a first time discount on a new 745? Final price depends on the specific country / VAT.
I’ve been hoping for a deal on a Wahoo Elemnt Bolt, but instead it looks like online listings are disappearing. Sold out on Wahoo’s site, not even listed at REI and others. Is it being discontinued? I hope they have a follow-up soon that can compete with Garmin’s 530 on value or else I’ll likely stay in the Garmin camp.
The GoPro 9 is available via Amazon bundled with a $50 Amazon gift card…dont know how long it will last
link to amazon.com
DC Rainmaker, do you have any advice on which GARMIN watch to buy for a female athlete that is looking for an accurate gps watch for road/trail runs, keeps track f swimming laps, tracks cycling, and accurately calculates exertion with lifting weights? I want something that will have recovery assessment and wrist based HR. I am torn between the Fenix 6s, Forerunner 745…. is the Garmin 5s obsolete at this point?
The F5 had some sensor connection problems which led to a lot of drop outs so I’d stay away from them if you’re using a power meter. The extra weight of the Felix models, in my experience, leads to poorer wrist HR readings but you might be fine.
The original 5X doesn’t have the sensor problems of the regular 5 and 5s models but it’s big damned watch compared to the others. It also has maps and a claimed longer time between charging. The original 5 and 5 Plus models are effectively obsolete (minimal to occasional Beta OS updates, no new features) but they still work fine, they just won’t have the latest/greatest metrics and features.
Get the device that has the metrics and features you want/need/desire as they typically aren’t updated with new ones down the road. For example- if actual maps are critical then you need to be looking in the Fenix 5x / 5 plus (S, reg. and X)/ Six series (all variants) or FR 945 series.
Ray,
Did you ever test the Kinetic Smart Control? How does it compare to the Kickr Snap> I know you said their R1 Direct Drive had some big issues. The inRide Sensor V3 has been great and somehow more accurate than the Smart Control (2% vs 3%).
The Stages L10 at Backcountry seems like it is $105, not $75
That’s right. Amazon had it for $75 (now back to $150), as does Clever Training (still there as of Sunday PM)
I hope Coros has some good discounts tomorrow, all they’ve had so far is a mystery box when buying a watch.
Good thing Ray didn’t report the vote results. grin
Garmin HRM-PRO – 15% off! $129 $99 $30 off Amazon thinks is 23%.
I wonder if Amazon Warehouse deals will have lots of HRM-PRO that are returned for a better price.
Haha…
Yeah, that the price of the HRM-PRO has slowly been changing each day downwards, so I updated the price but missed re-doing my math on the %. Good catch!
I bought a Garmin Forerunner 45 yesterday at RunnerXpert.com (Danmark, but ships for free to NL). for €135,- which is a really solid deal. Deal is still valid today (Nov 30)! It will replace my Suunto Spartan Trainer Wrist HR which died after 3 years, now I don’t need multisports only running mode on my watch hence the FR45 was the best option for the money.
Hey, the review link from Polar H10 strap listing goes to your review of H7. (though I couldn’t find a full review of the H10, just a new product listing)
Also, I hate to be the link police, but the HRM-PRO link goes to HRM-TRI/HRM-SWIM review.
Nice find!!!
Specifically, the HRM-PRO link error. Mostly because it’s a quirky bug that I’ve been looking for examples of for months to raise an issue on. Woot! Got one!
As for the H10, I show that going to a crazy old announcement post. Which, is unfortunately the most recent thing I have on it (save some ANT+ announcement stuff). I really should do an in-depth review on it, since I’ve got tons of data there. That’d be an easy one…
Thanks Matt!
Last night Clever was sold out.
But right now (Monday 11:34am MST) Amazon has a $75 coupon on the L10 shipping from Stages, so a net of $75 before sales tax.
Polar has a Black Friday deal in US on Ignite and Vantage M. $138 and $168 respectively.
Oh and GritX also but that is a freebie deal only (buy Grit get Unite or H10 for free)
link to polar.com
I totally dig the Speed Sensor 2 for my 5yr old’s bike. It was fun to see how many miles he got in with BLE sync after-the-fact. He had a few 45+ mile weeks early in the pandemic :)
Indeed, I’m definitely doing the same soon too!
In the meantime, I bought four of them earlier today…going to put one on every bike in our commuter bike fleet and track all the stats for 2021. Should be fun!
I checked this article too late.. Checked Amazon USA and the HRM Pro from garmin is no longer 99, but the speed and cadence bundle I still on sale in case someone is interested..
I’d keep hitting that refresh button on the $99, looking at today’s transactions, people have purchased it at $109, $119, and $99. In watching the price yesterday, it fluctuated constantly throughout the day.
Good luck!
Thanks for all of your work Ray! It is incredible and you must be exhausted by now (4:45 p.m. Eastern time). On November 28 at 8:05 p.m. Eastern time, I was able to get the Elite Suito on ProBikeKit for 70 dollars off with free shipping…I have no idea how I got it (believe I saw a message on their website saying first 30 buyers get the deal). It seems to be shipping on or about December 15 – I just hope that it actually comes through. Any experience with this company?
No problem!
I don’t have any personal experiences with ProBikeKit, though, I know people do use them.
Cheers!
Hi.
Was able to grab the Polar OH1+ at 22% off on Amazon US today.
Hi Ray, everyone
Not sure if I can paste a commercial link here but I got a nice deal on the forerunner 945 at 479 EUR (20% VAT included) on this French web site link to lepape.com.
I think it is an incredible deal that might be of interest to some of you.
Love your work Ray
All the best
Ed
Are there any discount codes or sales on the pace 2 from Coros??
Nothing. Honestly, it’s been out of stock most of the fall, so even finding a unit is tough.
Any way to get a deal on a Kickr Climb? Seems like Wahoo is very good about not discounting their products much. It would be great to add the climb to the pain cave but I can’t justify paying $600 for it :/
It’s rare, but most times we see deals for the KICKR CLIMB it’s via the 20% sales from places like REI, CompetitiveCyclist.com and others. These tend to be twice a year, including just recently. But also, Wahoo has managed to get itself on the exclusions list for some of these recently – so I think those sorts of sales are slowly dying away in terms of usefulness for most trainer things.
I realize this post is old now, but Amazon has the Garmin Varia RTL520 bike radar on sale right now. The MSRP is $199.99, but it is normally $167 on Amazon. Right now it is available for $144.97.
Ray, are you still seeing the Fenix 6 deals? In the US, the backcountry page is showing no sale. Too bad, I was going to pick one up.
The Fenix 6 deal is still on, though, I’m not sure why it’s not on at Backcountry as of today. Technically today was changeover day on the Garmin sales (which didn’t impact this particular sale), but my guess is there’s some manual entry that failed here for BC.
That’ll probably work itself out in the morning. But, if you want to get it immediately, REI is also doing the sale, and this link here helps support the site: link to avantlink.com
I see it at REI. Will use the link. Thanks!
Jeff
Hi Ray and gang,
Best Buy in Canada has the Garmin Venu and the Fenix 5X Sapphire listed for C$350. Which one would you get for casual running, hiking and general fun with a smart watch? I don’t listen to music while running. Thanks!