It’s been about 5 months since Garmin announced Connect IQ would be coming to the latest Edge cycling units. This would extend the Connect IQ platform from being previous wearables only (i.e. wrist worn things), to other Garmin device types. Over these past few months they’ve released developer (beta) builds for 3rd parties to start creating apps. And now they’ve opened up the Connect IQ App store to Edge data fields (the first step in full Connect IQ compatibility).
I gave it all a whirl today to see how well it worked in its final state, as well as the integration with 3rd party products. Let’s dive into it.
For the Edge 520 and Edge 1000 (and the derivative Edge 1000 Explore), you can use Garmin Express to update your unit, which will automatically download the updates for you to your Edge. Or, if you have WiFi working on your Edge 1000 – it’ll grab the updates that way too.
Note that there are no plans to bring Connect IQ to the older Edge 510 or Edge 810, nor the tiny Edge 20/25. Connect IQ is available though on a crapton of Garmin wearables, including: Forerunner 230, 235, 630, 920XT, Fenix3, Fenix 3 HR, Vivoactive, Vivoactive HR and other non-fitness units.
Note that you won’t see the “Connect IQ | Apps” panel above (or on your mobile phone app) until you’ve unplugged the unit and let the software update install. Then you’ll plug it back in again, and/or connect it to your phone app to be able to add apps to it. It’s the whole chicken and the egg thing.
The upgrade process only takes a minute or so. Well, unless you’re still on CompuServe with a dial-up connection. Then it’ll take a bit longer.
The App Store:
Once you’ve got the firmware squared away you can go back to the app and click ‘Manage Apps’ to get some data field goodness installed. Another click later and it’ll take you to the web-based store to choose your apps (all of this is also possible on your phone).
For the Edge there are basically three types of ‘apps’:
Apps: Confusing yes with having two things named the same, but apps in this context are real apps that can have multiple pages and menus (versus the umbrella name apps for everything in the Connect IQ store). These aren’t yet available.
Data Fields: These add in additional data fields you can select and add to your existing data pages and activity profiles. These are what’s now available.
Widgets: Widgets are connected data views that you can iterate through, kinda like the weather widget that you have on your Edge already. These aren’t yet available.
Cracking open the list, it’s a mix of new data fields ones along with ones we’ve seen before. For example, the Specialized one is new (and I previewed a variant of it back here in the fall), as is the BSX one. But some of the others are just repeats of things we’ve seen on the wearables side before.
There are a few notable ones below though – like the ‘Pace’ option, which now allows you to convert a Garmin Edge into a pseudo running watch. Useful for some that like to use a Garmin Edge on a running stroller or such.
Since I’ve got a BSXinisght Lactate Threshold device, I went ahead and installed the BSX data field.
If we choose to install it, it’ll go ahead and show up in Garmin Express:
Then click the little cloud/arrow icon that installs it on the device. No more than a few seconds later it’s installed and ready to go. Rinse/repeat for any other apps you want, like this ‘Visual Speed Alarm’ data field I’ve added.
Note how the Visual Speed Alarm data field has the “…” next to it – that means that it has customizable settings. So you can click that and tweak things.
Click save and you’re set to head outside.
Using the Apps:
At this point the Connect IQ data fields are ready to go, it’s just a matter of selecting them on your head unit to use.
To add a Connect IQ data field to your activity profile, you’ll dive into the settings just like you normally would to tweak things like data pages/views. So that’d be: Menu > Settings > Activity Profiles > [Your Activity Profile] > Data Screens > [Screen #] > [Field #].
Next, you’ll select the data field you want to edit, and you’ll find the ‘Connect IQ’ data field option now added:
Once you do that, it’ll show you the Connect IQ data fields that you’ve installed. Simply select whatever you want to add to your screen.
Here’s what it looks when I created a full-page data field for the Connect IQ speed gauge data field seen earlier:
And then for another page I went ahead and added the BSXinsight muscle oxygenation and hemoglobin data field to an existing page, along with various power and HR metrics:
From here, we’re ready to ride. In the case of the BSX data field it just picks up the BSX ANT+ Muscle Oxygenation device profile data that’s automatically transmitted from the BSX sensor:
Meanwhile, the speed gauge shows my speed per how I configured it earlier:
For the heck of it, during my ride, I put together a short video explaining all of this and showing how it works.
As you can see, all of this is fairly straightforward. Which would kinda be the goal.
Speaking of goals, or rather, goalposts – we’re still waiting for the ability to write to the .FIT file. So at this point the recording of the BSX or Moxy data (for example) isn’t happening within the Garmin Edge device. That muscle oxygenation data is just visually shown to you and is never saved. Of course, BSX (and Moxy) are recording that behind the scenes on their device, but it doesn’t make for an easy one-stop shop.
Garmin had previously said Q1 2016 for this capability, but it remains to be seen if they’ll hit that date. With less than 20 days left in the quarter and no SDK (developer) releases supporting it, it seems unlikely.
Additionally, you don’t see either Widgets or Apps yet available. Those are coming, but aren’t here today for consumers. You can see more on that back in my preview post from this fall.
It’s the apps where I’d expect to see larger companies start to take advantage of them. For example, TrainerRoad has long looked into the benefits of an app for their platform. Potential ideas could include allowing you to use a Garmin device instead of having to use a phone/keyboard for controls within the app (minimizing sweat issues with less water friendly devices). They see potential in simplified account management as well. In talking with TrainerRoad today, they’re definitely still onboard with creating an app, but haven’t specified a timeframe (but said they are waiting for .FIT file writing to go live first).
Finally, note that one interesting tidbit in the data field capabilities that was enabled today was ‘generic ANT’ access. This means that companies can make up whatever they want from an ANT standpoint to communicate between sensors and the Edge Connect IQ apps. In other words, coloring outside the lines and not using standard profiles (like HR, Speed, Cadence). So I could create a generic ANT connection for something like aerodynamic data, or hydration data. Neither of which have ANT+ standard profiles. It doesn’t solve the problem of recording yet, but it does enable scenarios like I talked about with the PowerPod future ideas and displaying real-time aerodynamic data relatively trivial. And that sort of flexibility means smaller companies can create cool things and trial/demonstrate them easier.
With that – thanks for reading, and have a great weekend all!
So much functionality is predicated on .FIT file recording. I don’t use popular apps like DwMap or Hike despite their benefits, because I also value Garmin Connect. The interest and developer diversity would be greatly helped by this.
If you use dwMap it will still record your activity as normal. What is meant by supporting FIT file recording is allowing non-native data to be recorded – like the BSX data field Ray mentions above.
I wasn’t aware of that. Thanks!
It feels a bit like too little, too late. I’ve found little value in Connect IQ on my Fenix 3, mainly because it seemed unstable and I lost data when using custom fields, but also because the selection of apps etc was not that exciting or useful which I think is down to the API being too restricted. A swim app that supports training plans would have been killer for me for example but it’s not possible. (Be fair haven’t looked at it in 6 months though, so it may have improved)
I was looking forward to Connect IQ on my Edge 1000 though, mainly for apps and seeing what developers could come up with. But they’re not here. And still not writing to FIT is baffling – I’m guessing some political rather than technical reason for that.
With smart watches and phones hot on the heals, and becoming more capable for serious sports use each year, and with an aggressive development community producing innovative apps for them, Garmin have some serious work to do on their platform I think.
This id not yet available ad I write, probably still rollinng out. How many fields can you add to an activity? The fenix3 only allows 2. Given how many screens the 520 allows, just having 2 is not enough
Appears to be 4 judging by one of Ray’s photos. I think the limit is there for memory/resources reasons. Logical then that the Edge units allow more than the watches.
I’m getting more disappointed with Garmin, they seem to be struggling on the software side.
Aside from the fairly poor start to IQ on the edge devices, I’m annoyed that they now push updates to your edge devices, and I’m getting nagware everytime I turn my device on, wake it from sleep or even finish an activity!!
Given the HUGE UNDER-TESTING of all of their releases, you need to keep your wits about you to keep your device working. I’m one of the ones who uses Turn by Turn navigation, which seems to be difficult for garmin to get / keep working.
I currently have firmware 5.2 on my device, as firmware 6.0 broke TBT, and I have no idea if firmware 7.0 has fixed what 6.0 broke. But I’m still getting update notices on my device despite deleting the update file!!
I can’t turn this off either… It’s all going the wrong way at Garmin, you get the right to update my device when you nail your releases every time, not when you are flakey!
So you’re checking out SRAM RED eTAP eh? Liking it so far?
Yeah! i hope der will be a review!
Yup, full in-depth review coming up later this month. 🙂
Any idea when the 520 will support eTap? I can’t add mine yet and had hoped to be able to soon.
please just a give us a spoiler: etap or da9070 ?
RE: Edge 520 Support: Not sure when, waiting on that myself.
RE: eTAP or Di2: I haven’t looked at a pricing comparison yet, so if they’re substantial, I’d just go with what’s cheapest. However, if they’re in the same ball-park, I find the benefits around the simplicity of eTAP better than Di2. Di2 is perfectly fine (I have it on my tri bike), but it’s also more complex for the average person to install and get up and running.
thanks Ray.. as da9070 and etap pricing is similar, weight is similar and you dont mention performance/quality differences it just comes down to the simplicity an
I’ll be covering all the details in my full in-depth review. But I actually don’t see that much difference between performance. eTap feels slightly faster to me, but it’s also in a different setup than my Di2 Bike (road vs tri). So the buttons on Di2 in a tri configuration are more like pressing a button on your remote control, compared to levers on a road bike shifter.
Parralix has an “Etap” iq connect app. It creates a data field that shows front and rear chain ring / cassette numbers. It can also be configured to match your chain ring and cassette sizes
Having some issues with the data fields that have customizable settings and wondering if it’s just myself? 🙂
On my Mac, Garmin Express doesn’t display the three dots to get into the settings. It doesn’t show the icons of the apps either (just blue triangle placeholders?) so I suspected some installation issues but reinstalling/rebooting hasn’t solved this yet for me.
From Garmin Connect on iOS, I can get into the settings but then it aborts reporting some communication error.
On Windows, I was able to save the settings and confirm that they would be read correctly immediately afterwards and that the settings file in the Edge520 file system is indeed updated, but on starting the Edge all customizable data fields default to initial settings. It seems that the Garmin>Apps>Settings folder is reset and anything in there disappears.
So, this seems a bit weird of course as all this should be simple enough that I’d expect such problems to be solved while in beta phase, but having all three attempts fail is kinda sad.
BTW, I was interested in W’bal as that would be meaningful even without being able to write to .fit files.
I’m using a OSX and am able to get into the settings of data fields with no problem. The three dots show up and I was able to successfully change the settings. The only installation problem I had was that it told me that my Edge 520 didn’t have enough space for the update but that was easily remedied by deleting the custom map, emptying the trash (freeing up a bunch of space – i should have done that when i first installed the custom map), and reinstalling the map for good measure.
I restarted the 520 to make sure that the map was still working once I reinstalled and again so the update could install, but otherwise I didn’t have to do any restarting of anything.
I can’t get it to work via the ios app.
Same…It just doesn’t work…at all
I’ve been wanting a virtual power capability for indoor training (on a dumb trainer) when I’m not using Zwift, and it looks like there’s actually a Connect IQ app that could support this (link to apps.garmin.com). However, when I try to download it to my Edge 520, it says I don’t have a compatible device registered with Garmin Connect (other data fields work fine). The issue, I believe, is that the Edge 520 isn’t listed in the data field description as a compatible device — it only lists the watches, since until this week, only watches *were* supported for Connect IQ.
Does anyone know if there’s code rewriting/recompiling necessary to bring these watch data fields to the Edge devices? Is it as simple as the developer flipping a switch to now say that it’s Edge-compatible?
(Also, it sounds like the app requires actually putting in the 3rd-order polynomial fit for the power curve for your trainer! Not the most user-friendly approach — if there are enterprising developers out there, I’m sure there are lots of people who’d like an easy-to-use virtual power meter!)
I expect you already know this, but you know that TrainerRoad (you have to run it on pc or iOS app (think android is almost here) does exactly this (and a lot more) They have already calculated the power curve for most trainers
Thanks, Chris G — I actually hadn’t checked out TrainerRoad (which looks interesting), but I’d rather not spend another $12/month for virtual power, when apparently my Garmin, speed sensor, and trainer should allow me to see it right in a device that’s already mounted on my bike.
And I realize this is an extremely first-world problem, but I have enough first-world gadgetry at this point that this should be an easy problem to solve!
Yes, Connect IQ apps/data fields/etc. specify what devices are supported in the manifest, which is compiled with the app. So, the developer has to update the app as new devices are available. Some CIQ apps don’t make sense on some devices, there isn’t an automated way to determine it. It also allows the developer to determine what devices they want to support.
Has anybody (besides DC) succeded in changing the values within the Apps to your needs ?
Yes, it has worked for me too, although not as expected.
But I found I had to sync to my Edge 520 to load the app, then check it was on the Edge 520, and then go back to change the setting through Garmin Express and re-sync to get it to take the in-app settings. It seems the first time the app loaded on to the device it did so with the default settings. Once it is on the device you can go back and change the in-app settings via Garmin Express.
I hope that makes sense.
Nope, its broken
Are private Ant data fields allowed on other CIQ devices now too? Or is that only for edge products. Both your description and Garmin’s make it sound like it’s only for edge.
I would be so happy when Garmin would release VO2Max for the Edge 1000 and the recovery advisor, any updates on when that could be DC Rainmaker? The apps are nice but my edge just isn’t a mobile phone 😉
does anybody knows how to delete apps from my account?
Not from the device.
I have many apps that I do not want and when I try to find a specific app to reinstall, I strangle to find it.
How shed friendly does it look? By which I mean, I have written my own apps for Suunto Ambit (NP, VI etc) – does it look like this is just for professional developers or home amateurs as well?
The barrier to entry is higher than for the Ambit, but then it’s much more powerful and flexible than the Suunto language. There are examples in the SDK which you would probably be able to adapt pretty easily. You definitely don’t need professional skill levels.
If you have software experience, you should be able to handle it. There are some idiosyncrasies but just look at the documents, read the manual, read the examples, and go to the Garmin Forums for CIQ. You’ll definitely want to install Eclipse for a development environment. Nothing close to Microsoft’s Visual Studio, but good enough.
For me, I am able to easily create full page “fields” that have all the data I want in one or two pages for my FR630. Gets a bit trickier if you are trying to create CIQ fields for general/public consumption.
Thanks. The Suunto thing is too much of a walled garden. This sounds much better. Is there a simulator so you can check your code works? I’ll have to check out the SDK to see what is possible.
Last reply was to Dom. Thought the post would appear directly below. This is to ekutter
Thanks, I already have Eclipse! Have used it to write stuff to analyse images for research. I tried Netbeans first and proffered Eclipse.
I’ve not released any of my Suunto Apps into the wild anyway, mainly because I’m not sure of the copyright status.
Is the connect IQ library pretty thorough?
Yes, you can simulate your code on any device that CIQ supports, including seeing the response to pushing buttons/touch screen. The simulator isn’t perfect, and doesn’t quite nail memory usage, but it’s very useful. You can even feed simulated GPS data into it, or read a FIT file in as part of your testing.
The really interesting potential for ConnectIQ data fields on Edge devices is to bring new data sources into play. Most of the now available CIQ data fields are just existing data sources (power, HR, etc.) presented in a different way, after all. But some are providing new data, such as BSX, as Ray points out above.
But since the new data types are not yet being written into the FIT file, the current implementation of ConnectIQ falls far short of this potential.
I suspect the holdup in getting the new data written into the FIT file is less the actual writing of this data into the FIT file, which would seem to be relatively straightforward, and more about how Garmin can integrate this new data into Garmin Connect. But this is just a guess on my part. Wonder if anyone who is more knowledgable than me about this would care to comment.
They’re separate issues technologically, but perhaps not from a business perspective.
The FIT file format has since day #0 included many undocumented fields, with copious warnings that integrators should ignore anything they don’t understand or expect. So… a properly written importer will work fine with custom data – you just won’t see any of it in the end-user app.
We’ve now had something like 5+ years to write these FIT file importers and test them through many device + firmware updates. Most if not all “real websites” (ie commercial, not hobbyist) and apps will behave fine.
In addition, the push API that Garmin Connect supports for partners runs on a pipeline outside of the normal website. SportTracks for example gets the uploaded FIT files sent to us exactly as they were uploaded – there is no translation or processing at Garmin Connect, none of the GC data is incorporated, etc. It’s literally what was recorded on the watch.
So for example, when Garmin allows writing custom CIQ data, the Stryd sensor could begin to save their advanced stride metrics such as breaking in the file, and this data could then be integrated into more advanced training software platforms, and in theory it should just all work with the current Garmin Connect infrastructure – no website/app changes needed. It’s purely in the watch firmware, and isolated.
Business considerations could be more tricky. This begins to open the door to Garmin being more a generic tech platform, which means sensor/app companies can side-step a lot of their solution space (no need for Garmin Connect). Of course it means they’re a more capable *hardware* maker, which some would argue is what they are best at, but the flipside is people may question how a Garmin is different than a generic smartwatch running iOS or Android.
The future will converge eventually. Recall for a minute Garmin had a line of smartphones. 🙂
Installed the software update today, and it ended up erasing everything form my Garmin Edge 1000. All preset data fields in activities, etc, gone. Weird…
When in Garmin Express, I try to update firmware from 3.10 but the message I get is that I’am up to date…
It tried both from Windows and Mac, same outcome..
Anyone having the same problem?
Same here on my Garmin Express on a Mac. It says Version 3.10 You’re up to date.
Anyone know why?
After e-mailing Garmin, I figured out why I cannot update my Edge 520 and why it is saying ver. 3.1 is the latest version. I have a Taiwan version of the Edge 520 and ver 3.1 is the latest version for this unit. I find this really annoying as my unit is 2 significant versions behind though I purchased what I thought was the same Edge 520, the unit looks identical and is a Garmin unit with the same model name. Garmin has not explained to me why this is so. Ray, can you provide any background or issues with Taiwan Garmin products?
I’ve tried numerous times to get clarity on why on earth there has to be this wonky Taiwan version that’s always super-far behind everyone else. The closest reasoning I get is that it’s because all of the Asian languages don’t fit, but that doesn’t really hold water since A) There’s plenty of storage these days, and B) The just push an English version for that model.
It’s a prime reason I really don’t recommend getting the Taiwan version.
Thanks for the insight Ray!
I agree with you. There is ample storage room in my unit.
At least if they are going to do this, they have to market it as a different model unit such as what they do in Japan where they sell the Edge 520J.
I feel that they are misrepresenting this product as there is obviously 2 tiers. Furthermore any customer that has the Taiwan version like me will spend countless hours trying to figure out why their Edge 520 won’t update when everywhere on the net says that there are updates for it. Obviously I now want to return my inferior product.
GarminIQ app wants:
1) Lights that transmit their battery capacity via bluetooth and can be checked on the head unit.
2) Music/Volume control … including full apps for Stitcher and Pandora, etc….
3) Live weather with weather map overlays over position and course (if you’re on one).
Another app …
An Awesome App for connect iQ would be MTB Project and/or Maprika.
How much memory do you think this platform will require for use on Edge 520? I use the open source maps that you’ve shown us and currently using about 70mb for that. Not everything is available yet on the store like apps which I would assume take up more memory. You may know more about this and any recommendation on available free space on 520 would be great. I understand everyone is different and will use their 520 differently! (how many apps to use, etc..)
Typically apps are only a few hundred KB each. So…not much. 🙂
Will Trainerroad bring workouts to the edge? Or more something like alerts to hit targets of wattage? Widget for TR to do a workout?
Would be nice to do a trainerroad outside like you do inside. Also gives TR value for people getting subscription for the whole year.
I was able to download the update, install the BSX app/data-field, and get it working — all in about five minutes. Worked just fine on the bike, but would also love the data to be stored in the .FIT file. I wonder how much the “slow roll” of these features has to do with technology, and how much has to do with market protection.
I am still waiting for the ANT+ FE-C for the EDGE 1000…having just bought a Bushido SMART, I was really waiting for the EDGE to replave my tablet.
looks promising, but …:
lack of support (open source projects & documentation)
lack of capabilities as a most of the interesting part is not (yet) released
Hi, I don’t know much about Connect IQ, but will this functionality allow me add the “missing” power data fields to an Explore 1000? ie 3s and 10s avg. And, how about the VO2 calculation as part of an app when they’re available?
Hope someone can help.
For the power fields, yes, potentially if someone created. For VO2, not sure, I’d expect that would require HRV type access and a bunch more algorithm work.
Thanks Ray, much appreciated.
Had been considering buying the 520 but now that the Wahoo Reflekt is out, when will you roll out that review? Never been a Garmin fan and the Wahoo sema like a great option.
Love your site!
Sorry, meant a review about the Wahoo Element.
He mentioned in the week in review comments that he was trying to have the ELEMNT review out by the end of the month. Looking forward to it as well
Yup, end of the month. See no issues hitting that.
I would really like a data field to show the current wind direction (from internet forecast) relative to current direction of travel. I might have a go my self
That W’bal app sure is bike geek heaven!!
Hey Ray, do you know anything about the promist ANT+ FE-C update.. Garmin promist it last year Q4 but we are already going to Q2 2016 :(…
I made the same question, I really would like to use the EDGE to control my smart trainer, instead of using a tablet and an app…
the current CIQ on edge devices is too limited. It only allows datafields and they dont support accessing sensors, or communications or even notification counter that is actually supported on wrist devices like fenix3.
Its a pity it took them this long to come up with something this limited..I can only use it to show me “beers burned” or the like info…current implementation is almost useless… its just a gimmick.. hopefully they will release the apps support soon or at least make the datafields more capable
“It only allows datafields and they dont support accessing sensors”
Except, that’s not true. And actually, that’s roughly what about 80% of this post is about – showing access to sensors on Edge Connect IQ data fields.
Or, did I miss something?
sensors dont work in datafield. you can test it yourself by installing the MO2 Datafield sample in ciq sdk into an edge520… no joy.. nada.
it works fine in fenix3 though.. so the sample is good
I did test it – in the post.
1) Downloaded the standard BSX Data field to a stock Edge 520
2) I connected a BSX (sensor) unit to said data field, also on the Edge 520
3) I took a slew of pictures in this post, as well as video, also in this post, also on the Edge 520
I’m not sure why yours isn’t working – but it definitely does work.
yes sir.. you were absolutely right…apologize.
i just made etap gear display on a datafield on my edge520… working ok but etap seems to refresh data over ant not as fast as i would like (every 10-15 seconds) .. if you want to test the prg just let me know
Very cool – I’d love to check that out. Since at present Garmin has been unable to provide it, so if they aren’t able to do so – happy to include that in my SRAM RED eTAP review next week. 😉
Just shoot me a note at ray at domain name.
Juan: I am interested in getting the etap display on a Garmin 520. Please let me know how you accomplished this. Thanks. Ken
There is a Garmin connect app by Parralix that reads etap settings. It creates a data field for the information. It seems to work fine, but the display takes a few seconds to change after shifting gears.
Ray, first off thank you for the site. It’s very informative.
I got one of the fist Edge 520’s when they were first released to the general public and it worked great. However, almost every update since then I’ve been getting various bugs and had a few problems with the unit freezing up, turning off, and etc in the middle of rides. Since this update or the one before it my Edge will no longer upload my rides go Garmin Connect and will not update the Strava Live Segments. I’ve tried doing the factory reset and disconnect/reconnecting to phone, Strava, etc. Garmin supports only response was to make sure I had the latest software. After saying that I did they stopped responding. Any ideas how to get this fixed or get Garmin to actually do something? Thanks!
The best place to get info and help with your Edge 520 is to post your question(s) in Garmin’s Edge 520 forum:
link to forums.garmin.com
There are some very knowledgeable people who hang out there, and they should be able to give you some answers.
Thanks for the feedback. My account on the forum seems to be locked for some reason. I’ve never posted there and keep getting this error “you do not have permission to access this page”, so I’m unable to post. It appears to be linked to my Garmin Connect account.
This is pretty cool. One useful app that immediately sprung to mind was an add-on for Zwift! Currently you’ve got to reach for your laptop of phone to use the boosts. Could the 520 be used to activate this, or to give someone a ‘ride on’?
Yup, they could definitely develop something like that.
Just thought I’d post to say that I managed to cajole one of the community app developers on Garmin Connect IQ who has kindly produced a configurable power averages data field for the Edge Explore 1000. That device has a limited number of power data fields, there’s only power, avg and 3 second avg but the app lets the user configure any timed power avg plus there’s an option to display %FTP. With this data field the unit now has basic usability for power training, and it’s so much cheaper (in the UK) than the full fat Edge 1000.
PS. I’m not connected to the app developer at all, I’m just pleased that a community developer helped out. Next stop, to lobby for a normalized power data field!
I would really be happy if there would be an app on Connect IQ that virtually calculates power (and avg. power) watts in calculation of speed + cadence sensor and altitude. So I could see my “watts” when cycling although I have no power meter. For me power meter is momentarily still to expensive.
Although these data wouldn’t be very accurate, they would still be close in normal conditions (with no wind and riding alone). Strava has that calculation in workout, but that is not live data, and therefore not very useful, as you do not know what conditions were at what given riding time.
Does anyone know if something like that already exists or is it being prepared? I think a lot of cyclist with no power meter would find that very helpful.
When is it ever not windy? Do that calculation without knowing the actual air speed as opposed to ground speed and you’ll make large errors. The force due to the wind goes as the square of the wind speed, and it’s the major force on a cyclist at typical cycling speeds. So if you’re going 20 mph and the wind is a modest 5 mph in your face, you’ll get the force wrong by 25**2/20**2 = 1.56. The Velocomp PowerPod that Ray recently reviewed (and isn’t that expensive) does exactly the calculations you have in mind, but it actually measures the wind speed along the direction of motion.
Also, you’ll notice that whatever Strava does to estimate power in the absence of a power meter, it’s incredibly spiky.
Does PowedPod measure aonly front wind or also somehow side wind or perhaps even back wind?
In IQ there is now an app or. data field for vitrual power. For 10s average and 30s average. The down side for this is, that it gives you watts only based on speed (and not also on cadence and altitude). So it is only suited for indoor training. Sadly it is of no use for outdoor riding.
As said earlier, this data field would be usefull only for given times when the conditions are extra normal. Just to see aproximerly how many watts are you pushing at the right moment. For training purpose if there is no power meter, than heart rate monitor is the right choice. But still it would be nice to have also a virtual power.
There is also now an iq connect app to display etap gear positions. Created by Parralix, and conveniently named “etap”
Ray, any idea when indoor trainer support will be released for edge 1000?
No, I’ll ask this week when I see them.
I know it’s a little bit cheeky Ray, but please could you ask if they would do a strong beta programme for the Edge series computers, I feel each release we get is under tested. Turn by Turn testing seems particularly under done, on edge 810 & 1000.
They do actually beta test some models, for example the Edge 520 has had a beta program here and there, like the Fenix lineup.
I don’t know why the Edge 1000 hasn’t had one though.
Have the latest updates to the GE 1000 included any trainer (Kickr) control. All that I can see is that an extra (superfluous) five screens are supplied for displaying indoor trainer data. Please tell me I’m wrong.
It would be nice if someone could develop a Connect IQ app that would collect traffic data through the Garmin Varia for various cycling routes. I might perceive that a certain route has more traffic than another, but, the data might prove me wrong.
Do you have any idea when the FR225 will have support for the Connect IQ Store? I have been waiting forever for this!:( Do you know if there will ever be one?
There’s no plans for the FR225 to add Connect IQ functionality.
Does anyone know if you can color code the data fields on Edges (like the 520)? Wish someone would make an app for that.
Also, can you set up your data fields on the computer and then import them to an Edge device?
My Garmin Edge 520 v6.00 (Asia version) does not have “Varia Vision” listed in the sensor list and “search all” also does not allow pairing of the device.
link to forums.garmin.com
Hi Ray, I have a Garmin Edge 500 which has served me well and is still in perfect mechanical and physical order.
However, I am finding it very difficult to read the screen when on a ride because I can’t wear prescription glasses and I don’t like wearing my contacts. The size of the screen is a definite problem but so to is the LCD display. It’s virtually impossible for me to see the metrics without having to really concentrate!!
Is the 520 display any better. Should I go for an 810? From the whole gambit of Garmin models what would be the most cost effective purchase in this regard?
Thanks in advance