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In short-distance ELITE triathlons drafting is legal. For agegroupers, it’s not!
And, maybe it’s worth mentioning that World Triathlon just days ago reduced the penalties for drafting. Up for discussion whether that’s a good or a bad thing.
“In short-distance ELITE triathlons drafting is legal. For agegroupers, it’s not!”
There are plenty of draft-legal triathlons in Europe for age groupers. Example: link to dcrainmaker.com
Ray, once they do make the device able to penalize a rider without an official seeing it, how would that work? Would it beep loudly? Does it have a speaker? How would the rider be notified?
In their past videos, they showed an electronic board a short distance ahead of the penalty tent. Given they can tie that to approaching racers (since they know where you are), they simply flash your number/etc up on the board, to go and serve your time in the penalty tent.
I’ve wanted this to come to AGs since you first posted about it. I’m far from competitive but nothing makes my blood boil more during a bike leg than when a group of clearly strong cyclists go by me in a pack. I could draft my way to the finish much easier too!
But there’s the other part of it too…I don’t know what 10 meters is by eyeballing it very well (I should practice more of that) and I’d like to push that limit better. If its legal to be 10 meters back, I want to be 10 meters back! Because then when I start my pass, I know when my 30 seconds start and I can take as much of it as possible rather than pounding my way through it.
I’ve never understood this strong non-draft-lobby. I really don’t care if somebody hangs on my wheel and has a nice day doing his favorite sport. I’m just minding my own business and work hard.
We may draft in the swim (significant beneficial) and we also watch the heels in front of us during running.
Finally the pro’s show by example how our sport is advertised
It’s not so much that people are anti-draft as a concept, just anti-draft when the rules say drafting is illegal.
Races with drafting allowed are a boatload of fun. But it’s fundamentally a very different sport. It’s a massive dynamics change that lessons the importance of the bike and substantially increases the importance of the swim & run.
Point is, every sport has rules. If we pick and choose which rules we do/don’t like, there’s no point to organized sport or entering a competition. Instead, just go for a swim/bike/ride and save yourself a bunch of money.
1000% this. I have no problem with drafting. I love drafting. If it was allowed, I’d do it. But it’s not and I don’t like cheaters!
That’s not what I mean. I don’t draft myself, but I also don’t mind what somebody else does to have a good time. I’m just a serious age-grouper and don’t have to earn money with my favorite sport. By default I have difficulties with people who have the tendency to correct others and then drive 60 km in 50 km-zone with their car.
In some courses with multiple bike laps and competitors, you’ll need 20km just to have 2000 people on the course, which isn’t practical or probable.
It does look like useful tech though. Even being able to count the seconds you have to pass us hard.
That‘s a very good point. A couple of Ironman races are well known to tolerate a lot of drafting (worst example: Barcelona) and/or have courses which make it mathematically hard or impossible to avoid drafting (length vs. amount of riders). I am really curious how this will be solved when introducing Race Ranger.
As an age grouper, I think it’s a good idea. However, I fear two things:
1. It’s one more bureaucratic thing to keep an eye on (get in in your race package, attach to the bike – I can imagine that the presence of Race Ranger devices on the bike will be made a part of the mandatory bike checkup), make sure it doesn’t fall off, detach it from the bike after the race and hand over etc)
2. The devices and their infrastructure aren’t free and given the fact that neither Ironman, nor Challenge are charities, these costs will be passed down to the athletes, which means that the already quite expensive events will be even more expensive. With all the talks of “Is triathlon becoming prohibitively expensive” it doesn’t really help.
Couldn’t all this be assessed by using the data/sensors from a modern bike computer together with a bike radar like the RCT715? Just turn on the red rear light when someone is to close, the RCT can even take photos of any cheeters….
Not really.
1. Radars aren’t that good at detecting modern bikes where the amount of metal is increasingly small (as midrange and high-end bikes are almost entirely made out of carbon).
2. Radars require pairing to the head units to view data. You can’t (and, as an athlete, you don’t want to) pair to every sensor on every bike.
3. Not all radars have a light – 3xx series radars don’t have it, for example. And only RCT715 has a camera (which isn’t a very good camera either).
4. It’s not centralized which means it gets more difficult to argue against or enforce.
Great news, I do hope that it is going to reduce the amount of draft packs!
Unfortunately Challenge Wanaka is in a world of hurt. Despite being in a beautiful part of the world and a perfect season opener, there’s no pro race this year. There simply isn’t the $ to cover it. What a shame.
“I don’t think it’s a matter of ‘if’ race ranger will become standard issue in endurance triathlon races, but just a quick of ‘when’ ”
I think you wanted question rather than quick.
Interesting to see this steadily getting traction – long term it does seem inevitable to the point that you wonder about the resistance right now.
I’m not necessarily against this, though I do think they need to come up with more options for mounting the pods, especially the rear pod. Unlike the elites a lot more age groupers are going to have saddlebags for carrying emergency tools. On my bike for a long course race I have a rear hydration rack with 2 cages and a saddlebag with my tools and tubes in it. There is no available seat post space for the something like the rear pod (I’m also not super tall so the post isn’t raised as high as some might have it either). I imagine I’m not the only age grouper that would have this issue. Hopefully if it does eventually become mandatory they’ll have multiple options for mounting it, maybe onto one of the seat stays or use zip ties and strap it to a rear hydration system.
I also hope that even if it is eventually used to automatically flag possible violations that an official at least has to look at the data and confirm before a penalty is assessed even if they aren’t actually observing the violation. That would still reduce workload since it could be one or two officials at a single point just reviewing them as they come in. That way they could look at where it occurred and decide. I’ve been in races where there are long hill climbs and the officials usually let the bunching go since it’s hard to avoid and isn’t really an advantage.
This is very cool!
I liked the thought of it when you posted about it the first time.
I’m surpsised it doesn’t utilise some kind of lidar sensor as well.
Also… it would make a lot of sense if the data was broadcast on ANT+ or Bluetooth and supported by head units! That way you could look back on the event and see where/when/how long you drafted for.
Sounds great on theory. However, as the pros are realizing that when you have a long line of bikes spaced exactly 10m apart it requires a herculean effort to pass everyone in one go. I think the rules need to be modified.
And grammar police here: “front fork”. As opposed to the rear fork? LOL!
The pros already complain about the pack effect that race ranger has. It would be even worse in age group races. I would be happy if they just kept people from passing on the wrong side, riding two abreast, and taking the middle of the road.
This is very welcome news.
As a FOP age grouper, trying occasionally to qualify for world champs or get on a podum, I tend to skew to the “makes my blood boil” opinion in the comments below.
Usually I find that a “misplaced” squirt of the sugary water in my bottle discourages close following behind me but if that doesn’t work I’m out of firepower to fix the problem as an athlete.
Using technology should help. Its not going to be perfect, but a bit like VAR, it will catch the most obvious mistakes & cheaters.
On a similar note, I’m quite suprised no-one has used “mystery cyclists” to catch the most egregious offenders before, I for one would happily pose as an athlete in local races to go and ruin a cheaters day or impose time penalties on those trying to get away with 5m rather than 10m or coach those at 8m out to 10m distance. (I once was in the latter category & had a motorcycle referree do that with me in Roth – my very first long course race) – In the moment coaching & education works well.
I was also once penalised for sitting 10m behind a pack of 6 athletes blocking the carriageway ahead of me. Only 2 of the “pack” got busted. (Yes, that’s you referees along the river road in Lake Placid).
Aside from that, across numberous spring, Oly, 70.3 & 23x IM distance races I’ve been penalty free, mainly beacuse I’ve been the legal distance behind the bike in front.
With rolling starts and AG waves (even better) I don’t think there’s any real excuse for drafting outside of the first 5km of the bike or on steep hills (outlying races apart, where they try and put 3000 people on a long course in the same day – but most races aren’t like this).
Interested to see how it plays out.
I’m obviously commenting on this article long after it was written, but as an above average cyclist and a way below average swimmer, I spend most of the ride passing people.
In the back and middle sections of a 70.3 ride there is no way to enforce drafting rules. If you tried to space out bikes 10m, you would have a long line in transition just to start the ride.
I do my best not to draft, but at the same time, on the rare occasion I am passed on the bike—maybe 5-15 times throughout the race—how much should I fall back when I’m still blowing by people on my right? I’m certainly not riding anyone’s tire, but there are times when I may be only 6-8m back rather than the full 10.