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  1. Jiří
    March 3, 2015

    I’m using it with Wahoo Kickr for about a month.
    It’s quite ok, but there are issues.
    1) For example the speed is not accurate. It’s generally higher then what it would be based on my experience.
    2) The wattage it shows is quite off. For example when I’m going uphill and really sweating at something like 150bpm it indicates lower power than when I’m going downhill and basically just relaxing at 100bpm.

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  2. Rene Wittmer
    March 3, 2015

    I have been mirroring my PC screen to my 42 inch TV via my Apple TV using a software called Airparrot 2. Check it out at link to airsquirrels.com
    Works very well and no glitches. It picks up all the Apple Tv’s you have on your network and you select the one you want to mirror too. Very easy to use.

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  3. Dave Owen
    April 24, 2015

    I have recently experienced this software through owning two, yes two PowerBeam Pro BLEs. The reason – the BLE unit keeps glitching. The Virtual Training software strikes me as being in beta phase! I upload routes and it randomly has me flying from the U.S. to the start!! A 75 miles route becomes over a thousand miles – bonkers.

    When I complete a ride it records it as being on the day previously. I’ve contacted the team via their support address and they tell me that they have a server issue to address. Contact from the support team is rather unreliable.

    The connection when a gradient changes, or when more power is required for a workout, is very laggy. The distributors here in the UK say that this is ‘because it’s wireless.’ We have remote control cars here and I’m so glad that they don’t lag like the Cyclops PowerBeam Pro and this software.

    Interestingly – the recorded speed/wattage between the original and replacement unit are very different. I wasn’t really putting much effort in and 400 watts was recorded on the screen. All-in-all and expensive and not great experience with the software or the unit.

    Many thanks to Ray for the great reviews.

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  4. Julian Bates
    July 8, 2015

    Interested to see that you think PB is well correlated with other power meters. I’ve observed the Powerbeam Pro reading 11% down on my Stages power reading – consistently (both talking to Garmin head units, both after calibration). Saris came back to me and said its because the PB reads power at the tyre whereas the Stages reads it at the crank. That doesn’t make any sense as the point of these power measurements is to look at the same thing… so I have the proverbial two watches and don’t know what times it is :-)

    Of course I can just use the Stages info for consistency (as I have will obviously have that with me when I’m out on the road) but it does devalue the Powerbeam somewhat.

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  5. Don
    July 8, 2015

    Well, they’re both reading the true power at the point they read it, but the stages doesn’t account for drivetrain loss, because it’s before the losses occur, whereas the PB measures the power you are actually putting to the road. Sort of like horsepower measured at the crank, as manufacturer’s like to advertise, or horsepower at the wheels, which is the amount you actually have available to drive the car. It’s not a shortcoming of PB, as everyone’s drivetrain is different. You’ll have different drivetrain losses based on what size chainrings you run, whether you’re cross-chained, what lube you use, cleanliness of chain etc., so if PB tried to guess all of that, they’d just be giving you a power estimate instead of a power reading. Likewise if Stages tried to guess the actual power your putting to the road. It’s just the nature of the beast.

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    • Julian Bates
      July 8, 2015

      Agree that there is a difference in measured power, but kind of surprised that it would be an 11% loss though…particularly on a (brand new) Shimano 105 setup.

      Interesting mechanics paper at link to ihpva.org which I haven’t fully digested but it does mention that 2% loss is attainable. I’ll have a read…

      I remain to be convinced that the PB is reading as accurately as it claims (to within +-5%). Obviously the stages could also be wrong….(supposedly +-2%)

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    • DC Rainmaker
      July 8, 2015

      The fundamental problem is you can’t really use a Stages (or any other left-only) power meter in any sort of accuracy testing. Just far too many variables being left-only (and simply doubling it). Having an offset of 3-4% is hardly unusual, which would make it 8% once doubled (or more), or basically within a few percent of the PB.

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  6. Don
    July 8, 2015

    Agreed, 11% drivetrain loss seems excessive. That stock lube/protectant that Shimano uses on chains is pretty sticky, it could be that. I always clean that off well, then apply a better lubricant, like Rock’n’Roll Gold. That stock stuff is so sticky, the chain just gets covered in dirt/dust/sand/gravel on one ride here in the desert if you don’t. I made the mistake of letting a bike shop install a new chain for me once, and they didn’t clean the chain. Ugh… what a mess.

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  7. Rene Wittmer
    July 18, 2015

    I am using the Cycleops PowerBEam Pro ANT+ virtual trainer with the windows application. When going downhill speed is fine, BUT when I stop at any point downhill the speed still shows speed eventhough I am totally stopped. Besides this everything seems to be ok.

    Thanks for any help you or anyone could give me to solve this issue.

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  8. James
    August 31, 2015

    Another fantastic write-up even useful 2+ years later! With current GoPro models now having GPS built in would you say this makes it easier or still just as difficult considering GoPro still cuts up the file?
    I’m curious on your take and if you have revisited with a newer GP.

    Thanks!
    James

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    • Griffin
      September 12, 2015

      Just curious what current models of GoPro cameras have GPS capability?

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    • DC Rainmaker
      September 13, 2015

      None today. However, you can combine the GoPro with any Garmin File and many apps allow importing that way. Or really, any GPS file (record it with a phone for example). Cameras that do have GPS include the Sony action cams and Garmin ones, along with TomTom’s.

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  9. Chuck
    September 26, 2015

    There is going to tons of changes to this software, the new virtual training 2015 version is in beta . Here is a link to the new features: link to cvt2015.com

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    • Griffin
      September 28, 2015

      Thank you for the information on the planned update to the software. Hopefully Ray will be able to get his hands on this new software in time for an update to his trainer software review, if indeed he plans on publishing a new one this season?

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